Why has this message board got so personal to the left?

[Harry Dresden]

Don't think so, Harry. Pubs will vote Pubs, but the mainstream has a growing umbrage against the vileness of the far right and libertarians that cost Romney the election.

I mean, even here in SLC, a hotbed of Republicanism, the center of the party is leaning against the crazies. I think the haters will be surprised in the next round of caucuses.

Jake this Country is DIVIDED......and the last President started the Divide and this one is not making it better......Bush and Obama have zero leadership skills bringing people together......the Far Right will never give Obama a chance....but the more Moderate and Liberal Republicans/Conservatives should at least be willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt......but way to many are not.....why?.....it could be the way he addresses those on the right....you don't piss people off and then expect them to give your ideas a chance.....

This country became divided as soon as the Revolutionary War was over. Washington's cabinet had opponents hashing out arguments that started the two party system we live with...and those parties represented a divided nation

We were less divided in the 20th century when one party (happened to be the Democrats most of the time) had the public behind them ...

then in the 60s rabid right wing extremism started to rear it's ugly head. then the deregulators started the Federalist society and think tanks and ideological non-profits bent on keeping America divided

Dante this Country TODAY....has never been as divided as it has been the last 13 years......there has always been some kind of a divide politically.......but no where like it is now......

 

[NYcarbineer]

JRK starts another troll thread and then abandons it when he gets called out,

and yet he wonders why so many liberals around here think he's an asshole.

 

[Noomi]

I think the libs are feeling a little remorse
They got what they wanted

Every post I have posted with factual info within is met with anger in just a few threads

BHO is a failure
the country is in a mess
and they know it

Its not rocket science

I feel sorry for this country
Its future
and those who allowed it to happen who will have to deal with it
hate never fixed anything and the hate for W still drives there entire agenda
Its nuts

we are 4 million jobs short of where we were in 07
the debt has doubled in 4 years
the GDP is going south

And there talking about Amnesty
it is nuts

You are four million jobs short than what there was in 2007, but you Republicans ignore the fact that during the RECESSION millions of people LOST their jobs!!!

 

[Wry Catcher]

I think the libs are feeling a little remorse
They got what they wanted

Every post I have posted with factual info within is met with anger in just a few threads

BHO is a failure
the country is in a mess
and they know it

Its not rocket science

I feel sorry for this country
Its future
and those who allowed it to happen who will have to deal with it
hate never fixed anything and the hate for W still drives there entire agenda
Its nuts

we are 4 million jobs short of where we were in 07
the debt has doubled in 4 years
the GDP is going south

And there talking about Amnesty
it is nuts

You are four million jobs short than what there was in 2007, but you Republicans ignore the fact that during the RECESSION millions of people LOST their jobs!!!

Ignoring that fact is in fact a lie by omission.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Now, to answer the question originally posed by the OP:

The right's language has changed from disputing political points, to accusing the left and their leadership of all sorts of insane conspiracies and crimes.

Why wouldn't the left take that personally?

If you want to answer your own question, just go back and take a look at what you've posted in the past couple of years, and consider how you would feel if people were accusing you of equally terrible things.

I suspect you'll find your answer quite quickly.

Prove it.

Prove what?

That there has been a large increase in conspiracy theories, concerning leaders on the left, from the right in the past few years, and a corresponding increase in accusations based on said conspiracy theories?

One only needs to look at the posts on this board to see the truth.

Do you feel that I need to re-post all the conspiracy theories that have been posted over the last few years by members of the right to prove this?

Because that would take a very, very long time.

In order to prove that there was an increase in conspiracy theories about the left you would have to ignore half the actual conspiracy theories in existence. I guess you could actually believe that Bush was in on 9/11, thus relieving you of the necessity that the left is as wacky as the right.

What I want you to prove is that you are the sane person in this conversation by admitting that thinking conspiracy theories are partisan is a conspiracy theory.

 

[Inthemiddle]

I guess you could actually believe that Bush was in on 9/11, thus relieving you of the necessity that the left is as wacky as the right.

Wait, so the idea that the government is executing widespread attacks against the people all in an effort to assume new and unprecedented powers.....that's a left wing conspiracy?

 

[Vast LWC]

In order to prove that there was an increase in conspiracy theories about the left you would have to ignore half the actual conspiracy theories in existence. I guess you could actually believe that Bush was in on 9/11, thus relieving you of the necessity that the left is as wacky as the right.

What I want you to prove is that you are the sane person in this conversation by admitting that thinking conspiracy theories are partisan is a conspiracy theory.

I never said there weren't whackos on the left.

Far from it.

And I certainly do not believe Bush had anything to do with 9/11. (As that was obviously a plot hatched by Elvis and Jack Ruby.)

The question was: Why has the left begun taking things more personally lately?

And the answer is, because more personal attacks have been leveled against them by conspiracy theorists on the right, provoking the "taking things more personally" reaction.

And, it's true that naturally occurring conspiracy theories are generally not partisan in nature...

However, manufactured conspiracy theories are almost always partisan in nature.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I guess you could actually believe that Bush was in on 9/11, thus relieving you of the necessity that the left is as wacky as the right.

Wait, so the idea that the government is executing widespread attacks against the people all in an effort to assume new and unprecedented powers.....that's a left wing conspiracy?

Only if the left wing says it.

 

[Inthemiddle]

I guess you could actually believe that Bush was in on 9/11, thus relieving you of the necessity that the left is as wacky as the right.

Wait, so the idea that the government is executing widespread attacks against the people all in an effort to assume new and unprecedented powers.....that's a left wing conspiracy?

Only if the left wing says it.

Impossible. Such a conspiracy theory can only come from the right wing, by definition. If the left said it, it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory. It would be wishful thinking.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

In order to prove that there was an increase in conspiracy theories about the left you would have to ignore half the actual conspiracy theories in existence. I guess you could actually believe that Bush was in on 9/11, thus relieving you of the necessity that the left is as wacky as the right.

What I want you to prove is that you are the sane person in this conversation by admitting that thinking conspiracy theories are partisan is a conspiracy theory.

I never said there weren't whackos on the left.

Far from it.

And I certainly do not believe Bush had anything to do with 9/11. (As that was obviously a plot hatched by Elvis and Jack Ruby.)

The question was: Why has the left begun taking things more personally lately?

And the answer is, because more personal attacks have been leveled against them by conspiracy theorists on the right, provoking the "taking things more personally" reaction.

And, it's true that naturally occurring conspiracy theories are generally not partisan in nature...

However, manufactured conspiracy theories are almost always partisan in nature.

Us your position is that no conspiracy nuts on the left are leveling personal attack against people on the right, or is your position that the left is a bunch of crybabies that can't tell the difference between completely insane people and rational discussion? Personally, I won't try to argue that the evidence doesn't support the latter, but I have no idea why you would want to take it as a defense of your side.

 

[Circe]

Dante this Country TODAY....has never been as divided as it has been the last 13 years......there has always been some kind of a divide politically.......but no where like it is now......

Right. Major qualitative difference, and I saw the divisions in the '60s. It's never been like this before in my lifetime, this is different, and it started on or shortly before 9/11. (Possibly with the hung 2000 election, I think, as well as the real danger we faced as of 9/11.)

I can't be sure it's worst than in the 1930s -- there were Hoovervilles and marches on Washington and demagogues like Father Conklin and one actual coup attempt during the '30s. The country actually did blow apart in 1860, of course. We've had unusual stability -- most countries change their borders a LOT in the time we've stayed the same or just grown since 1864. Revolutions and split-ups are extremely common, and I'm amazed how long we've lasted.

When it goes it will be incredibly fast; it always is. Half a week is the norm. July 13--16, 1789 -- there went France. The Soviet Union collapsed inside of a week: remember Yeltsin standing on the tank?

I'm just saying. When it goes, it will be so fast, you won't even realize it happened for several days or weeks.

 

[Vast LWC]

Us your position is that no conspiracy nuts on the left are leveling personal attack against people on the right, or is your position that the left is a bunch of crybabies that can't tell the difference between completely insane people and rational discussion? Personally, I won't try to argue that the evidence doesn't support the latter, but I have no idea why you would want to take it as a defense of your side.

My position is that when the left was continuously attacking the Bush administration, the Right wing was "taking things personally" like nobody's business.

They kept on screaming "traitors!" and "treason!" with even the slightest provocation.

And now the shoe is on the other foot.

Though, I will say that while the Left crucified Bush for pretty much anything he did wrong, which was ridiculous...

The Right has now taken it a step further by criticizing what Obama is doing right, which is even more ridiculous.

I used to joke about the fact that the right would even criticize Obama if he killed Bin Laden... until it happened, and they did...

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Jake this Country is DIVIDED......and the last President started the Divide and this one is not making it better......Bush and Obama have zero leadership skills bringing people together......the Far Right will never give Obama a chance....but the more Moderate and Liberal Republicans/Conservatives should at least be willing to give the guy the benefit of the doubt......but way to many are not.....why?.....it could be the way he addresses those on the right....you don't piss people off and then expect them to give your ideas a chance.....

This country became divided as soon as the Revolutionary War was over. Washington's cabinet had opponents hashing out arguments that started the two party system we live with...and those parties represented a divided nation

We were less divided in the 20th century when one party (happened to be the Democrats most of the time) had the public behind them ...

then in the 60s rabid right wing extremism started to rear it's ugly head. then the deregulators started the Federalist society and think tanks and ideological non-profits bent on keeping America divided

Dante this Country TODAY....has never been as divided as it has been the last 13 years......there has always been some kind of a divide politically.......but no where like it is now......

We've never had a foreign born, socialist Negro as President in the past. (note 4 da-clue-less: insert = a joke)

The nation was hugely divided over the Iraq war. What is different now is the Democrats have NOT elected fringe candidates, but the GOP has.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Us your position is that no conspiracy nuts on the left are leveling personal attack against people on the right, or is your position that the left is a bunch of crybabies that can't tell the difference between completely insane people and rational discussion? Personally, I won't try to argue that the evidence doesn't support the latter, but I have no idea why you would want to take it as a defense of your side.

My position is that when the left was continuously attacking the Bush administration, the Right wing was "taking things personally" like nobody's business.

They kept on screaming "traitors!" and "treason!" with even the slightest provocation.

And now the shoe is on the other foot.

Though, I will say that while the Left crucified Bush for pretty much anything he did wrong, which was ridiculous...

The Right has now taken it a step further by criticizing what Obama is doing right, which is even more ridiculous.

I used to joke about the fact that the right would even criticize Obama if he killed Bin Laden... until it happened, and they did...

and the 'left' has not held the Democrats of the Congress hostage the way the right has held the GOP and the Congress hostage.

Michael Moore is not a Congressman with a D. While Dennis Kucinich is, he is also powerless.

next

 

[S.J.]

I used to joke about the fact that the right would even criticize Obama if he killed Bin Laden... until it happened, and they did...

Well, let's see, they claim to have killed him, but buried him immediately, in the ocean where no one could verify that he was dead. Why, out of respect to some Islamic tradition? Why not just bring the damn body back for an autopsy? Something to hide? Maybe if Obama didn't do everything with such secrecy, he would be trusted more.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Dante this Country TODAY....has never been as divided as it has been the last 13 years......there has always been some kind of a divide politically.......but no where like it is now......

Right. Major qualitative difference, and I saw the divisions in the '60s. It's never been like this before in my lifetime, this is different, and it started on or shortly before 9/11. (Possibly with the hung 2000 election, I think, as well as the real danger we faced as of 9/11.)

I can't be sure it's worst than in the 1930s -- there were Hoovervilles and marches on Washington and demagogues like Father Conklin and one actual coup attempt during the '30s. The country actually did blow apart in 1860, of course. We've had unusual stability -- most countries change their borders a LOT in the time we've stayed the same or just grown since 1864. Revolutions and split-ups are extremely common, and I'm amazed how long we've lasted.

When it goes it will be incredibly fast; it always is. Half a week is the norm. July 13--16, 1789 -- there went France. The Soviet Union collapsed inside of a week: remember Yeltsin standing on the tank?

I'm just saying. When it goes, it will be so fast, you won't even realize it happened for several days or weeks.

fortunately for us we have s system of government that allows the rabble to let off steam

making alarmist predictions is history repeating itself

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I used to joke about the fact that the right would even criticize Obama if he killed Bin Laden... until it happened, and they did...

Well, let's see, they claim to have killed him, but buried him immediately, in the ocean where no one could verify that he was dead. Why, out of respect to some Islamic tradition? Why not just bring the damn body back for an autopsy? Something to hide? Maybe if Obama didn't do everything with such secrecy, he would be trusted more.

secrecy? that's why you seem to know so much about things....you're a secret breaker.




If President Obama did everything the way you say he should have...he would still be demonized by the likes of you. that is the nature of hate and conspiracy theories

with people like you it is personal. personalities over principles and common decency, common sense, and sanity

 

[P@triot]

You must be a racist. Obama is great. The country is doing great. Obama can't fix 232 years of mistakes in 4 years.....

The only minority left in this great nation is the white male
either way
I thought BHO was 1/2 white anyway

And yes your spot on
as hard as BHO is trying he cannot change the greatness that once was over night

I wonder if the right would hate Obama less if he were 100% white?

They certainly wouldn't hate him less if he were 100% black.

I think Obama is a basically good guy who is in over his head, but Romney would have been a vastly worse choice. He'd have had us in Civil War in 8 years.

When Obama fails, and all else fails, play the race card and falsely accuse people of racism...

 

[P@triot]

Us your position is that no conspiracy nuts on the left are leveling personal attack against people on the right, or is your position that the left is a bunch of crybabies that can't tell the difference between completely insane people and rational discussion? Personally, I won't try to argue that the evidence doesn't support the latter, but I have no idea why you would want to take it as a defense of your side.

My position is that when the left was continuously attacking the Bush administration, the Right wing was "taking things personally" like nobody's business.

They kept on screaming "traitors!" and "treason!" with even the slightest provocation.

And now the shoe is on the other foot.

Though, I will say that while the Left crucified Bush for pretty much anything he did wrong, which was ridiculous...

The Right has now taken it a step further by criticizing what Obama is doing right, which is even more ridiculous.

I used to joke about the fact that the right would even criticize Obama if he killed Bin Laden... until it happened, and they did...

Now that is funny! Criticize Obama for what he is "doing right"... by whose standards? Yours?!?! I'm sure you do believe that marxism is "right", sadly though, rational people who have studied its history realize it is all kinds of wrong.

By the way, if the worst thing the right does is criticize Obama even when he is "right" - that's nothing compared to what the left did to Bush, not only literally making shit up (like a big "oil conspiracy" over Iraq), but they constantly threatened his life with no reprisal. If even a single person on the right so much as wished Obama spill spaghetti sauce on his suit, he'd be executed via one of the millions of drones now flying over the skies of the U.S.

 

[Inthemiddle]

When Obama fails, and all else fails, play the race card and falsely accuse people of racism...

When all else fails, complain people playing the race card, even when people aren't playing the race card.