Why Hillary Will Win (probably)

[Liminal]

Amazing.. the Dems run an unknown form Illinois, who's never really done anything... his whole plan is "Hope and Change"... and now they run a seventy year-old has-been firm the sixties who without "Clinton" at the end of her name, we wouldn't even know who she is.

And then they rant for hours about their "qualifications".

Hillary is more qualified than all the Republican candidates combined and Republicans run on a "Hillary is not qualified" platform

Bizzaro world

The current crop of GOP candidates are the Senators. They've got dick in terms of qualifications compared to Hillary. The SoS experience trumps them all.

But when the governors take the field (read, Walker, Kasich and Bush), there will be credible qualification contenders.

Hillary learned more about the running of the executive branch and foreign policy as First Lady than all the knowledge the Republicans have combined

Add in eight years as a Senator and four as Secretary of State and it is not even close

That experience will prove to be more of a liability than an asset during the campaign.

Oh please.......Republicans played their BENGHAZI card in 2012 and it was met with a yawn.
Want to talk about personal emails that were unrelated to any crime?

Who said anything about Benghazi? Is that the sum total of her history? Do you think Jim Webb is going to ask questions about Benghazi? I think he may have some other questions for her. I have some questions for her as well. Why did she vote to give the Bush Administration whatever they asked for after 911? Invasion of Iraq, her support for the Patriot Act......it's really quite a list of questions. If I thought of these questions, I'm pretty sure her competitors and opponents have too.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

The Democrats are so defensive when it comes to Hillary because she is literally all they've got. You remove her from the equation and they have no bench.

Pretty accurate. The Dems have done a fairly lousy job at AAA ball on the national level.

There is a general sense among many democrats that there needs to be a transition of power to a new generation. Your Pelosis, Boxers, Browns and Clintons have held on a tad too long.

I suspect after this elections, the democrats will make such a transition.

Obama was the representative and living embodiment of a NEW generation. Remember the passing of the torch?

Dear clueless, the next generation is waiting in the wings. Do you always state the obvious as if it were a revelation? The Pelosis, Boxers, Browns and Clintons are all elder statesmen/women

 

[blackhawk]

Have the left forgotten why Hillary lost the nomination in 2008? She lost because Obama went farther to the left than she did and rallied the far left anti war, anti Wall Street element of the party to his side Hillary likely won't have a challenger for this segement of the Democratic party as Warren who could attract them seems unlikely to run but if she starts taking more hard line foreign policy stances and coozing up to big business they could definetly stay home during a general election.

 

[g5000]

Who said anything about Benghazi? Is that the sum total of her history? Do you think Jim Webb is going to ask questions about Benghazi? I think he may have some other questions for her. I have some questions for her as well. Why did she vote to give the Bush Administration whatever they asked for after 911? Invasion of Iraq, her support for the Patriot Act......it's really quite a list of questions. If I thought of these questions, I'm pretty sure her competitors and opponents have too.

All backward looking questions.

I'm sure voting record questions will bring much amusement when asked of any candidate.

Have at it. Just don't whine when the same measuring stick is applied to everyone.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Amazing.. the Dems run an unknown form Illinois, who's never really done anything... his whole plan is "Hope and Change"... and now they run a seventy year-old has-been firm the sixties who without "Clinton" at the end of her name, we wouldn't even know who she is.

And then they rant for hours about their "qualifications".

Hillary is more qualified than all the Republican candidates combined and Republicans run on a "Hillary is not qualified" platform

Bizzaro world

The current crop of GOP candidates are the Senators. They've got dick in terms of qualifications compared to Hillary. The SoS experience trumps them all.

But when the governors take the field (read, Walker, Kasich and Bush), there will be credible qualification contenders.

Bush? Top tier.

Kasich? Will he run on taking credit for the Clinton budget of 1997 and the Clinton surplus?

Walker: Toxic Sludge?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Amazing.. the Dems run an unknown form Illinois, who's never really done anything... his whole plan is "Hope and Change"... and now they run a seventy year-old has-been firm the sixties who without "Clinton" at the end of her name, we wouldn't even know who she is.

And then they rant for hours about their "qualifications".

Hillary is more qualified than all the Republican candidates combined and Republicans run on a "Hillary is not qualified" platform

Bizzaro world

The current crop of GOP candidates are the Senators. They've got dick in terms of qualifications compared to Hillary. The SoS experience trumps them all.

But when the governors take the field (read, Walker, Kasich and Bush), there will be credible qualification contenders.

They also don't have the scandals and corruption. Hillary has more of those than Bill has women on the side.

Corruption? Hillary?

Scandals? You do know it was people like you pushing 24/7 Wingnut world scandals that got people like Dante to vote for Obama in 2012.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

OP you underestimate the loud mouth looney left, they FORCED Hillary left in 2008 and they will do so again in 2016.

What positions do you believe she was forced to adopt in 2008?

Hillary positioned herself in the center, even right center on foreign policy and defense earlier in 2008. I recall being impressed with her actually and thought she had presidential acumen. Don't tell anyone but I thought Hillary would have made a good president in no small part because she could rely on Bill a former 2 term president for advice, that's a hell of an advantage.

Then the flaming liberal socialist puke liar rose in the polls forcing her to the left during the primary and the MSM threw her under the bus. The rest is history.

 

[Liminal]

Who said anything about Benghazi? Is that the sum total of her history? Do you think Jim Webb is going to ask questions about Benghazi? I think he may have some other questions for her. I have some questions for her as well. Why did she vote to give the Bush Administration whatever they asked for after 911? Invasion of Iraq, her support for the Patriot Act......it's really quite a list of questions. If I thought of these questions, I'm pretty sure her competitors and opponents have too.

All backward looking questions.

I'm sure voting record questions will bring much amusement when asked of any candidate.

Have at it. Just don't whine when the same measuring stick is applied to everyone.

Again, not exactly a ringing endorsement for Clinton, is it. Already sounds like tepid, apologetic support. Starting on the defensive is a bad position.

 

[rightwinger]

Hillary is more qualified than all the Republican candidates combined and Republicans run on a "Hillary is not qualified" platform

Bizzaro world

The current crop of GOP candidates are the Senators. They've got dick in terms of qualifications compared to Hillary. The SoS experience trumps them all.

But when the governors take the field (read, Walker, Kasich and Bush), there will be credible qualification contenders.

Hillary learned more about the running of the executive branch and foreign policy as First Lady than all the knowledge the Republicans have combined

Add in eight years as a Senator and four as Secretary of State and it is not even close

That experience will prove to be more of a liability than an asset during the campaign.

Oh please.......Republicans played their BENGHAZI card in 2012 and it was met with a yawn.
Want to talk about personal emails that were unrelated to any crime?

Who said anything about Benghazi? Is that the sum total of her history? Do you think Jim Webb is going to ask questions about Benghazi? I think he may have some other questions for her. I have some questions for her as well. Why did she vote to give the Bush Administration whatever they asked for after 911? Invasion of Iraq, her support for the Patriot Act......it's really quite a list of questions. If I thought of these questions, I'm pretty sure her competitors and opponents have too.

I agree

Those questions cost her the presidency in 2008
In 2016, we have moved on

 

[ScienceRocks]

She will probably win as she won't be seen as someone that wants to hand corporations are entire public sector.

She will be seen as someone that wants to help people and wants to invest in this country. Loserterianism really sucks.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

OP you underestimate the loud mouth looney left, they FORCED Hillary left in 2008 and they will do so again in 2016.

What positions do you believe she was forced to adopt in 2008?

Hillary positioned herself in the center, even right center on foreign policy and defense earlier in 2008. I recall being impressed with her actually and thought she had presidential acumen. Don't tell anyone but I thought Hillary would have made a good president in no small part because she could rely on Bill a former 2 term president for advice, that's a hell of an advantage.

Then the flaming liberal socialist puke liar rose in the polls forcing her to the left during the primary and the MSM threw her under the bus. The rest is history.

And which positions do you believe she was forced to adopt in 2008? Healthcare reform? Middle class tax cuts? What specifically are you referring to.

"forced to adopt"

cable news talking head speak?

 

[Liminal]

Clinton will be our Romney.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Probably not. Hillary is ideologically lined up within a tolerable range with the money in her party. And within a similar range with the majority of the electorate. There's little chance of her being forced to take positions that will knock her out of either range.

If Elizabeth Warren were a candidate she'd kick the shit out of Hilary in a debate. As it is Jim Webb is going to flay her alive on foreign policy issues.

Nah, Warren is good. But Hillary is pretty good too. She'd hold her own. And its unlikely she'd be forced to take positions that were too left wing by Warren.

Speaking hypothetically, of course.

Since Warren isn't running the entire point is moot in practical terms.

We're still a long ways out from the election, a lot can happen.

Of course. Any discussion of any presicdential run is by its very nature enormously speculative. We're making educated guesses at best.

Hilary Clinton is the worst possible choice, she carries tons of her own baggage, and she can't de-link herself from unpopular Obama foreign policy decisions.

Her polling numbers say differently. There may be better choices, but there are also far, far worse. She's actually got a solid shot at winning. Undermining the 'worst possible choice' narrative.

Things will look much different in eighteen months. Speaking as a life long Democrat, I won't vote for her. I'm guessing I'm not the only Democrat who feels that way.

but you're in the minority./

I didn't want her to run. I thought her legacy was more important. I know now she thinks teh nation is calling on her to run. we shall see

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Things may look different. Unless they don't.

Chris? Matthews, is that really you?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Nah, Warren is good. But Hillary is pretty good too. She'd hold her own. And its unlikely she'd be forced to take positions that were too left wing by Warren.

Speaking hypothetically, of course.

Since Warren isn't running the entire point is moot in practical terms.

We're still a long ways out from the election, a lot can happen.

Of course. Any discussion of any presicdential run is by its very nature enormously speculative. We're making educated guesses at best.

Hilary Clinton is the worst possible choice, she carries tons of her own baggage, and she can't de-link herself from unpopular Obama foreign policy decisions.

Her polling numbers say differently. There may be better choices, but there are also far, far worse. She's actually got a solid shot at winning. Undermining the 'worst possible choice' narrative.

Things will look much different in eighteen months. Speaking as a life long Democrat, I won't vote for her. I'm guessing I'm not the only Democrat who feels that way.

Things may look different. Unless they don't. As you said, its too early. But given her plusses, there are far worse candidates.

Hardly a ringing endorsement, but yes, I'm sure there are worse candidates, somewhere, who I guess will remain unnamed for now.

for whom did you vote in the Dem primaries in 2008? (EnGLISH?)

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Clinton will be our Romney.

Oh its much worse than that.

Clinton is the sign that the Democrat Party is officially bankrupt as a force of leadership in the United States.

 

[Liminal]

We're still a long ways out from the election, a lot can happen.

Of course. Any discussion of any presicdential run is by its very nature enormously speculative. We're making educated guesses at best.

Hilary Clinton is the worst possible choice, she carries tons of her own baggage, and she can't de-link herself from unpopular Obama foreign policy decisions.

Her polling numbers say differently. There may be better choices, but there are also far, far worse. She's actually got a solid shot at winning. Undermining the 'worst possible choice' narrative.

Things will look much different in eighteen months. Speaking as a life long Democrat, I won't vote for her. I'm guessing I'm not the only Democrat who feels that way.

Things may look different. Unless they don't. As you said, its too early. But given her plusses, there are far worse candidates.

Hardly a ringing endorsement, but yes, I'm sure there are worse candidates, somewhere, who I guess will remain unnamed for now.

for whom did you vote in the Dem primaries in 2008? (EnGLISH?)

Obama of course.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

If Hillary wins it will be for only one reason:

Americans are STILL idiots.

The old....we don't win because of low information voters

Maybe if Republicans would kick in more for education there wouldn't be so many low information voters

Do you ever wonder why there's so much attention paid to the Presidential elections, but very little to Congressional and local elections? I believe it's because when we vote for President, it's completely meaningless except as a symbolic gesture.

maybe there is national attention paid to the
presidential campaigns because it is a national election?

D'Oh!

 

[ScienceRocks]

The current crop of GOP candidates are the Senators. They've got dick in terms of qualifications compared to Hillary. The SoS experience trumps them all.

But when the governors take the field (read, Walker, Kasich and Bush), there will be credible qualification contenders.

Hillary learned more about the running of the executive branch and foreign policy as First Lady than all the knowledge the Republicans have combined

Add in eight years as a Senator and four as Secretary of State and it is not even close

That experience will prove to be more of a liability than an asset during the campaign.

Oh please.......Republicans played their BENGHAZI card in 2012 and it was met with a yawn.
Want to talk about personal emails that were unrelated to any crime?

Who said anything about Benghazi? Is that the sum total of her history? Do you think Jim Webb is going to ask questions about Benghazi? I think he may have some other questions for her. I have some questions for her as well. Why did she vote to give the Bush Administration whatever they asked for after 911? Invasion of Iraq, her support for the Patriot Act......it's really quite a list of questions. If I thought of these questions, I'm pretty sure her competitors and opponents have too.

I agree

Those questions cost her the presidency in 2008
In 2016, we have moved on

Well, maybe it had something to do with the murder of 3,000 Americans and a declarion of war from Bin laden? I think people that think we should never go to war even after we're attacked are just as dumb as the loserterians. This is not something we need n power.

 

[Liminal]

Clinton will be our Romney.

Oh its much worse than that.

Clinton is the sign that the Democrat Party is officially bankrupt as a force of leadership in the United States.

Try not to babble incoherently, either speak like a lucid adult, who's brain isn't addled by constant exposure to FOX News, or excuse yourself from the conversation.