Why I support eliminating the Federal Level Department of "Education".

[GMCGeneral]

For the Historically atrophied Left, the entire department, a well as the Cabinet level position were both formed in 1978 by Jimmah Cahtah as payola to the NEA and teachers' unions nationwide for their 1976 endorsement. Since then, Educational performance has been circling the toilet bowl with no end in sight.
Ebonics, Outcome-Based Education, Common Core, NCLB, etc. Standards keep right on getting lowered and lowered. Now with the uptick in homeschooling, charter school enrollment (bear in mind Charters are very much public schools, but with much higher standards for both student AND teacher accountability), and the push for vouchers (which BTW I support), the Left has a boogeyman-school choice. Both the Education department AND Cabinet level Secretary need to be shitcanned and full 100% control of the schools need to be returned to the local and state level.

 

[DGS49]

You don't need to have a justification. It is simply not among Congress' "powers" to spend money on EDUCATION. You can search Article One until your eyeballs dry up and you will not find a single word that even hints at this power.

More broadly, if all of Federal spending were pruned of what is unconstitutional, we would have a balanced budget at a very minimum...probably a surplus.

 

[GMCGeneral]

You don't need to have a justification. It is simply not among Congress' "powers" to spend money on EDUCATION. You can search Article One until your eyeballs dry up and you will not find a single word that even hints at this power.

More broadly, if all of Federal spending were pruned of what is unconstitutional, we would have a balanced budget at a very minimum...probably a surplus.

Precisely! I've never been one to understand how or why the Fed got so big or why the Fed even has to be "all things to everybody"?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

For the Historically atrophied Left, the entire department, a well as the Cabinet level position were both formed in 1978 by Jimmah Cahtah as payola to the NEA and teachers' unions nationwide for their 1976 endorsement. Since then, Educational performance has been circling the toilet bowl with no end in sight.
Ebonics, Outcome-Based Education, Common Core, NCLB, etc. Standards keep right on getting lowered and lowered. Now with the uptick in homeschooling, charter school enrollment (bear in mind Charters are very much public schools, but with much higher standards for both student AND teacher accountability), and the push for vouchers (which BTW I support), the Left has a boogeyman-school choice. Both the Education department AND Cabinet level Secretary need to be shitcanned and full 100% control of the schools need to be returned to the local and state level.

Just a point of order, Common Core was shitcanned by the states, whereupon they often just changed the name and readopted it. It's a set of standards, not the hokey bullshit curriculums put out by the education's curriculum industry. You also realize that the Education Department does not have any national standards. Never has and never will.

I agree that most of the functions of the Education Department could be much better handled at the state level because it is duplication of services for the most part. However, the Ed Dept has little to no effect on the standards adopted by the states. I taught in two different states and for the Department of Defense Schools. There were literally no differences in the standards.

The department has met its original goal and now overreaches in many areas. Perhaps a well-deserved pruning could fix the problem.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You don't need to have a justification. It is simply not among Congress' "powers" to spend money on EDUCATION. You can search Article One until your eyeballs dry up and you will not find a single word that even hints at this power.

More broadly, if all of Federal spending were pruned of what is unconstitutional, we would have a balanced budget at a very minimum...probably a surplus.

Technically the US government spends nothing on education because the funds are allocated to the states.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Precisely! I've never been one to understand how or why the Fed got so big or why the Fed even has to be "all things to everybody"?

Liberalism and socialistic thinking are the best answers I have heard.

 

[Woodznutz]

It gets worse. Once a person works for the Federal government, they are basically unfit for work in the private sector. The confusion and inefficiency they bring is intolerable to private sector employers. If we are going to shrink the federal government, there needs to rehabilitation programs for ex federal employees before they can be allowed to work for productive companies.

 

[rightwinger]

For the Historically atrophied Left, the entire department, a well as the Cabinet level position were both formed in 1978 by Jimmah Cahtah as payola to the NEA and teachers' unions nationwide for their 1976 endorsement. Since then, Educational performance has been circling the toilet bowl with no end in sight.
Ebonics, Outcome-Based Education, Common Core, NCLB, etc. Standards keep right on getting lowered and lowered. Now with the uptick in homeschooling, charter school enrollment (bear in mind Charters are very much public schools, but with much higher standards for both student AND teacher accountability), and the push for vouchers (which BTW I support), the Left has a boogeyman-school choice. Both the Education department AND Cabinet level Secretary need to be shitcanned and full 100% control of the schools need to be returned to the local and state level.

Day to day education is run by local school boards and the state
Blame them for poor performance

 

[Woodznutz]

Day to day education is run by local school boards and the state
Blame them for poor performance

Everything about the educational system has been compromised, including the education. Anytime a school somewhere gets its ducks in row and grades soar, the teacher's unions treat it like it had leprosy.

 

[Zincwarrior]

States with the worst education rankings

Everything about the educational system has been compromised, including the education. Anytime a school somewhere gets its ducks in row and grades soar, the teacher's unions treat it like it had leprosy.

Are there teacher's unions in Louisiana?

 

[GMCGeneral]

Everything about the educational system has been compromised, including the education. Anytime a school somewhere gets its ducks in row and grades soar, the teacher's unions treat it like it had leprosy.

This is the key reason why the teachers' unions hate school choice except for their piss poor performing district schools.

 

[GMCGeneral]

States with the worst education rankings

Are there teacher's unions in Louisiana?

All within the Democrat controlled urban shitholes.

 

[Zincwarrior]

This is the key reason why the teachers' unions hate school choice except for their piss poor performing district schools.

Are there teacher's unions in Louisiana? They are a right to work state.

 

[dblack]

Day to day education is run by local school boards and the state
Blame them for poor performance

The thing is, much of their decision making is driven by the feds. They establish dependency and then withhold aid when the locals won't play ball. That's why the Dept of Education was created.

 

[GMCGeneral]

The thing is, much of their decision making is driven by the feds. They establish dependency and then withhold aid when the locals won't play ball. That's why the Dept of Education was created.

Yep. Again, it's the Feds sticking their noses in places where it doesn't belong. And yes, Zincystinky, there are teacher's unions in Louisiana.

 

[rightwinger]

The thing is, much of their decision making is driven by the feds. They establish dependency and then withhold aid when the locals won't play ball. That's why the Dept of Education was created.

Not really
Feds prevent you from discriminating

Federal Funding of education is about 10 percent

 

[GMCGeneral]

Not really
Feds prevent you from discriminating

Federal Funding of education is about 10 percent

Schools, ESPECIALLY private and parochial schools, have every right to pick and choose their students. We should really restart special and alternative schools for the developmentally disabled and chronic disciplinary pupils. Those seemed to work out very well until some namby pamby moron decided they didn't.

 

[DGS49]

The Federal Department of Education was formed as a sop to the Teachers' unions that quadrennially provide massive money and in-kind donations to whatever goober the Democrats put up for President.

Since no Federal department ever actually dies, the Dept of Education should model itself on the FBI and how it helps local law enforcement. It provides research, technical support, and consultation to local law enforcement because they are better positioned to provide those services.

The Education Department could sponsor research on education methods, course content, standardized tests, management practices and who knows what else.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

For the Historically atrophied Left, the entire department, a well as the Cabinet level position were both formed in 1978 by Jimmah Cahtah as payola to the NEA and teachers' unions nationwide for their 1976 endorsement. Since then, Educational performance has been circling the toilet bowl with no end in sight.
Ebonics, Outcome-Based Education, Common Core, NCLB, etc. Standards keep right on getting lowered and lowered. Now with the uptick in homeschooling, charter school enrollment (bear in mind Charters are very much public schools, but with much higher standards for both student AND teacher accountability), and the push for vouchers (which BTW I support), the Left has a boogeyman-school choice. Both the Education department AND Cabinet level Secretary need to be shitcanned and full 100% control of the schools need to be returned to the local and state level.

Stilted and weird use of language: "Federal Level Department of "Education""

I bet you think like "Federal Level Department of Department of Defense"

You have no clue about things. You're a partisan reactionary who comes along during election season and shits all over the place spouting hatred of Americas and America.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

You don't need to have a justification. It is simply not among Congress' "powers" to spend money on EDUCATION. You can search Article One until your eyeballs dry up and you will not find a single word that even hints at this power.

More broadly, if all of Federal spending were pruned of what is unconstitutional, we would have a balanced budget at a very minimum...probably a surplus.

You're confused as to how it all works -- being stuck in Junior High School civic textbooks..