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What a load of horseshit. I marvel at how you morons construct these fantasies based on a total lack of facts. Trump has reduced black unemployment to the lowest point it's ever been. Only a dumbass like you believes having a job is not important. I could go down your list of lies and deconstruct each one, but why bother? they are all obvious horseshit driven by hatred.Why is building a wall wrong?
1.) Why bother going to such drastic lengths to tackle a "problem" that's been on the decline? (See: Pew Research)
2.) Do the wall advocates realize there will never actually be a "full" wall? Recall the recent border fence and Landowner lawsuits. The Trump administration could use eminent domain to acquire the land but will have to negotiate compensation and WILL face lawsuits. More than 90 such lawsuits in southern Texas alone are still open from the effort to build a fence there.
3.) The wall isn't going to fix the drug problem. According to the DEA, most drugs come through legal ports of entry.
etc,etc,etc...
Trump has nothing to offer to ordinary Americans. Protection against predatory vultures, workers' bargaining powers, a healthy environment, a stable future for their kids, affordable (higher) education (etc.), there is nothing on the table. So, he lets himself be seen fighting like a lion against the imaginary Swamp, against the "establishment", to "protect" Americans against the "darkies" - their crime, disease, their drugs, and whatnot. A political ploy, and a boondoggle, campaign antics that have one major benefit: to be paid for by the taxpayers themselves.
What could be more alluring to the Trumpster Fire than that?
Obviously don't know the def of "projection"
You do know the unemploymeat is following the 8 years of Obama?
And you never mention don has created fewer jobs in his 2 years than Obama did in his last 2?
Can you deconstruct that?
Presidents don't create jobs--the private sector does. All a President can do is make it more or less inviting for the private sector TO create those jobs. Hussein was the most anti-business President in our lifetime. So he deserves zero credit.
White boy talks out both sides of mouth. If the private sector creates the job, then it belongs to them. The government has NO constitutional authority to take that job and give it to someone on the pretext that the other guy is a citizen.
You sound like a parakeet, always rehashing what Hush Bimbo said.
What your sources are not revealing is that they took OTHER precautions - which you conveniently ignore.
Then why do you keep talking about the Berlin wall? You're obviously implying that only Stalinists would support the building of a wall. You whine about "foul language," but you're accusing everyone who supports the wall of supporting the police state.Another leftwing argument. People have used walls to defend themselves for thousands of years. The Berlin wall is the only time a wall has been used to keep people in. Is Israel a communist dictatorship? Hungary?You and the liberals are both against the wall because a wall would work. What more do we need to know?
The wall would work to expand the POLICE POWERS of the state at the expense of our God given Rights; it will NOT work because the United States of America is not a communist country; however, after you get your silly wall it will be.
Only Communist countries secure their borders? And how would a wall change an entire system of government?
Guess what? I won't lose one right if we get that border wall.......not one. Which rights do you think you'd be losing?
What absolute dishonesty stupidity. Communists, dictators and PEOPLE AT WAR use walls. All others use other forms of solutions to resolve the problem and secure their borders.
You're just plain full of shit.
You're full of shit because you're LYING. Got it? I did not say that the Israelis are communists. Neither did I imply that "only" communist countries employed walls. Quit lying about what I said. Give the FULL quote.
I don't need your instruction about doing investigative searches on tenants. Your stance was that criminal records should be kept away from the public; particularly employers and landlords. If you challenge me on this, I'm on vacation and have the time, and I'll be happy to quote you on this and even provide a post number(s).
Use your time to research the Fourth Amendment and show us the AUTHORITY in the Constitution for the government to be able to give you that information. I've cited at least two United States Supreme Court decisions that refute your position.
You don't read the posts of others. At best you skim read it and then don't read the court rulings. That is WHY you're consistently wrong.
It has nothing to do with the fourth amendment. Your criminal records are not your personal property, it's governments property.
And the United States government has no Right or duty to share those records with anyone.
Nor are they restricted from it either. If a politician wants my vote, he or she better do what they can to not hide things from me that I need to know about.
Yes, they ARE restricted. That is why you have a Fourth Amendment. You simply want to circumvent it with a records search without a warrant via a proxy.
What a load of horseshit. I marvel at how you morons construct these fantasies based on a total lack of facts. Trump has reduced black unemployment to the lowest point it's ever been. Only a dumbass like you believes having a job is not important. I could go down your list of lies and deconstruct each one, but why bother? they are all obvious horseshit driven by hatred.Why is building a wall wrong?
1.) Why bother going to such drastic lengths to tackle a "problem" that's been on the decline? (See: Pew Research)
2.) Do the wall advocates realize there will never actually be a "full" wall? Recall the recent border fence and Landowner lawsuits. The Trump administration could use eminent domain to acquire the land but will have to negotiate compensation and WILL face lawsuits. More than 90 such lawsuits in southern Texas alone are still open from the effort to build a fence there.
3.) The wall isn't going to fix the drug problem. According to the DEA, most drugs come through legal ports of entry.
etc,etc,etc...
Trump has nothing to offer to ordinary Americans. Protection against predatory vultures, workers' bargaining powers, a healthy environment, a stable future for their kids, affordable (higher) education (etc.), there is nothing on the table. So, he lets himself be seen fighting like a lion against the imaginary Swamp, against the "establishment", to "protect" Americans against the "darkies" - their crime, disease, their drugs, and whatnot. A political ploy, and a boondoggle, campaign antics that have one major benefit: to be paid for by the taxpayers themselves.
What could be more alluring to the Trumpster Fire than that?
Obviously don't know the def of "projection"
You do know the unemploymeat is following the 8 years of Obama?
And you never mention don has created fewer jobs in his 2 years than Obama did in his last 2?
Can you deconstruct that?
Presidents don't create jobs--the private sector does. All a President can do is make it more or less inviting for the private sector TO create those jobs. Hussein was the most anti-business President in our lifetime. So he deserves zero credit.
White boy talks out both sides of mouth. If the private sector creates the job, then it belongs to them. The government has NO constitutional authority to take that job and give it to someone on the pretext that the other guy is a citizen.
You can regulate immigration without a wall and without penalizing private property owners for not being subject to the control over private property.
what's your point?What's your point?we didn't have a Great Depression, either or world wars.Wrong, asshole. We didn't have welfare, public schools, and government healthcare when the Italians and Germans came here.Even if they are "rehabilitated," they are still going to take a job that would otherwise go to a native born American. The are also going to create downward pressure on wages since they are will to work for a much lower wage than most Americans.I don't play to the humanitarian side. I've already exposed WHO the organizations you cite really are. A mind is like a parachute. It only operates when it's open.
The build the wall advocates make an idiotic claim about how much so called illegal aliens "cost," but they NEVER examine the other side of the ledger in order to understand why they are here. The reason I call their method idiotic is that it is BLATANTLY dishonest as if the rest of society is too stupid to examine the three most important facts:
1) As much as it makes Tea Party Republicans cringe, there are two sides of an accounting ledger and the supposed facts you cite do not figure in how much foreign labor contributes and how much wealth they create
2) The people on this thread, advocating for the wall, fight tooth and nail against the effort to rehabilitate those who are disenfranchised and get them working so that there is less demand for foreign labor
3) Tea Party Republicans want to keep a segment of their own people locked out of society and then blame the people that take the jobs Americans CANNOT take due to double minded people that want to keep some Americans from getting a job AND denying employers their unalienable Right to hire the person they want to hire for the job.
Employers have no "unalienable right" to hire people who are not in this country legally.
Ones pics say it all.
But I'll try to be patient.
Italians, Germans, Asians and now Latinos all cost the first year.
All subsequent years they contribute way more than our old white farts here sucking off their socialist benefits
You said, "Italians, Germans, Asians and now Latinos all cost the first year. All subsequent years they contribute way more than our old white farts here sucking off their socialist benefits"Even if they are "rehabilitated," they are still going to take a job that would otherwise go to a native born American. The are also going to create downward pressure on wages since they are will to work for a much lower wage than most Americans.Mr. Rockwell, I appreciate your concern and acknowledge your humanitarian side, but please read the rest of the watchdog's article of which I am quoting before you go too far down the road to letting sidewinders such easy access to the tax money we are presently paying if you have a few minutes:Oh, that reverse psychology guilt trip thing again? You all tried that multiple times with gun discussions. When are you on the left going to realize that doesn't work? It's painfully transparent.
I've noticed that the pro-wall people are ALWAYS blaming the left for being against the nutty wall idea. The facts are that I am a Republican as are the majority of the people in the U.S. Senate. When push comes to shove, most Republicans are against the nutty wall idea.
Ray, you cannot come to grips with the fact that a wall is a socialist solution looking for a problem to solve. When people show you instances when a wall does not work, you are complaining about how far back into history the other poster went to prove the point. Even going back to BIBLICAL times, walls have not been long term solutions for much of anything.
Those, such as yourself, like wailing about the damn wall, but cannot tell us a single problem you're really addressing. If those with a few IQ points show you what's wrong with the pretext you rely on, you want to move the goal posts.
I really wish you would quit blaming opposition to the wall on the Republicans. The only reason most of them are supporting idea is in the best interests of party unity so that other legislation does not get bogged down AND the fix is in. Once the wall is fully funded and Donnie gets his win, you can kiss that gun in your avatar good-bye.
For everything you gain there is something lost. Trump isn't God. He is playing the Art of the Deal. You're simply too ignorant to ask what the real cost - not in terms of dollars and cents, but in terms of legislation (legislation that will affect YOUR Liberties) does this nutty and INEFFECTIVE wall idea cost.
Analysis: Illegal immigrants cost taxpayers $116 billion annually
With ongoing violent protests in favor of amnesty for illegal aliens, immigration reformer advocates point to exponential costs taxpayers already pay for illegal immigrants, and how much more taxpayers would spend if they were given amnesty.$116,000,000,000/ 300,000,000 = $387.00 for every man, woman, and child living in this country right now, and half of them either have no income or are living on welfare, student loans, off their parents, or whatever, which doubles the ante to $773.00 for everyone earning wages. Why do people who work within the poverty status having to pay a noncitizen to get free housing, free food, free education, free utilities, free telephones, and everything else?
According to the most recent analysis by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), one illegal immigrant living in America today costs U.S. citizen taxpayers about $8,075. In total, illegal aliens cost American taxpayers $116 billion annually.
FAIR researchers note the increasing costs of illegal immigration is a “disturbing and unsustainable trend.” Costs to taxpayers have risen by nearly $3 billion since 2013, when illegal aliens’ total cost to taxpayers was $113 billion, according to FAIR.
The rest of the story: Analysis: Illegal immigrants cost taxpayers $116 billion annually
And if the government fixes it and poverty status taxpayers don't see a rise in their taxes, that leaves working parents trying to raise a family that omission, which means, they're having to pay about $5,000 apiece for this anomaly rather than save that for a rainy day or give donations to libraries, churches, museums, and other charitable causes.
Maybe my math isn't 100% perfect, but it could be low ball if we're forgetting other things than watchdog.org has discovered. The math doesn't lie.
Edit: One hundred and sixteen billion a year is what we're paying
I don't play to the humanitarian side. I've already exposed WHO the organizations you cite really are. A mind is like a parachute. It only operates when it's open.
The build the wall advocates make an idiotic claim about how much so called illegal aliens "cost," but they NEVER examine the other side of the ledger in order to understand why they are here. The reason I call their method idiotic is that it is BLATANTLY dishonest as if the rest of society is too stupid to examine the three most important facts:
1) As much as it makes Tea Party Republicans cringe, there are two sides of an accounting ledger and the supposed facts you cite do not figure in how much foreign labor contributes and how much wealth they create
2) The people on this thread, advocating for the wall, fight tooth and nail against the effort to rehabilitate those who are disenfranchised and get them working so that there is less demand for foreign labor
3) Tea Party Republicans want to keep a segment of their own people locked out of society and then blame the people that take the jobs Americans CANNOT take due to double minded people that want to keep some Americans from getting a job AND denying employers their unalienable Right to hire the person they want to hire for the job.
Employers have no "unalienable right" to hire people who are not in this country legally.
Ones pics say it all.
But I'll try to be patient.
Italians, Germans, Asians and now Latinos all cost the first year.
All subsequent years they contribute way more than our old white farts here sucking off their socialist benefits
White boy talks out both sides of mouth. If the private sector creates the job, then it belongs to them. The government has NO constitutional authority to take that job and give it to someone on the pretext that the other guy is a citizen.
Yes they do, because the other guy IS ILLEGAL! Illegal means the intruder broke our laws. It means he or she is not supposed to be here in the first place yet alone taking jobs Americans can do. That's like saying somebody snuck into Disneyland, and because they are inside the park, they have the right to go on the rides and see the exhibits.
What you don't understand about the Constitution is that it's not a document that permits government to do anything, it's a document that restricts government from doing certain things.
You sound like a parakeet, always rehashing what Hush Bimbo said.
How do you know what he said? I don't bring up Rush, you do. You have this problem of thinking people are saying something they never said.
What your sources are not revealing is that they took OTHER precautions - which you conveniently ignore.
WTF difference would that make even if it were true. The fact of the matter is border walls work. They work around the world, they work here, and they will work even more when more wall is erected.
Then why do you keep talking about the Berlin wall? You're obviously implying that only Stalinists would support the building of a wall. You whine about "foul language," but you're accusing everyone who supports the wall of supporting the police state.Another leftwing argument. People have used walls to defend themselves for thousands of years. The Berlin wall is the only time a wall has been used to keep people in. Is Israel a communist dictatorship? Hungary?The wall would work to expand the POLICE POWERS of the state at the expense of our God given Rights; it will NOT work because the United States of America is not a communist country; however, after you get your silly wall it will be.
Only Communist countries secure their borders? And how would a wall change an entire system of government?
Guess what? I won't lose one right if we get that border wall.......not one. Which rights do you think you'd be losing?
What absolute dishonesty stupidity. Communists, dictators and PEOPLE AT WAR use walls. All others use other forms of solutions to resolve the problem and secure their borders.
You're just plain full of shit.
You're full of shit because you're LYING. Got it? I did not say that the Israelis are communists. Neither did I imply that "only" communist countries employed walls. Quit lying about what I said. Give the FULL quote.
You're a fucking douchebag. You're probably also not a Republican. So far I've seen no evidence of it.
Potentially dangerous and know to be dangerous are not the same.Because front doors and gated communities are likewise immoral. Anyone who has a front door hates everyone outside their house, especially if they ever lock it. If they were truly humane, they would have an "open door" policy. People in gated communities are even more immoral, obviously.
Israel's West Bank border wall has worked remarkably well. That's the problem. Liberals know the wall would drastically curtail the flow of illegal immigrants.
Because building walls is the province of private property owners, not government.
That is a point well taken. If the wall must be built on private property, it then calls into question how far we will go in allowing the government to abuse eminent domain abuse. BTW, BEFORE 9 / 11 the same people worrying about a wall were worried about government over-reach with eminent domain abuse. Times change.No, it is not the government's duty to warn you of a "potentially" dangerous person. It maybe governments duty to warn you of "known" dangerous person.Criminal records ARE government records. Nothing in the Constitution gives the government the authority to give out the information for the general public to go on a fishing expedition. You shouldn't argue this as one day, you or a loved one WILL be denied a constitutional protection and it will because of people just like you.
One last time: the government can lie to you and they can lie about you... AND THEY DO. By their own estimates 30 percent of the people in jails and prisons never actually committed a crime.
You were given an alternative, so if you choose to be a subject of the NEW WORLD ORDER, that is your prerogative. It's mine not to subject myself to a foreign jurisdiction just because a de facto government makes a false claim against me.
Wow, you really are off your rocker. Public records equate to a New World Order? And let me see this evidence that 30% of inmates never did anything wrong to be imprisoned; not that I believe you have any credible link (but it will be fun if you try to post something) however I just want to see where you make this stuff up from.
Yes, criminal records are government records, and nothing in the Constitution "prohibits" government from sharing those records with the people. It would be an injustice to not warn people of potentially dangerous people. But I'm sure in the name of privacy, you wouldn't mind a rapist to move in next door to your mother or sister without your knowledge.
If you would not believe it, then there is no point in posting a link. It would be wasted verification.
One thing is for sure. You live on this board to argue the wall as if it were your lifeblood - your religion. Yet you fail to comprehend simple truths. For example:
Not too long back the liberals wanted to declare that any veteran who had been diagnosed with PTSD be denied the Right to keep and bear Arms. You won't believe that either, but it's true. The point is, the liberals would use your mental health records to deny you the Right to keep and bear Arms.
You argued against ADD / ADHD, claiming you are afflicted with such, but then denying that you are not on the drugs for it. Well, I hate to be the bearer of bad news but, if you have a real condition, you either have it or you don't. If you're born with juvenile diabetes, you have it. You don't wake up one morning and say I feel fine so I must be cured.
You cannot understand that I'm sometimes on YOUR side for IF ADD / ADHD were real conditions and IF you were not on your meds, the liberals would most assuredly pass legislation to address people like you. IF you think a person's criminal record is something the public should know about, then ditto for their mental health records.
WHEN mental health records become fair game, then you can be denied the Right to keep and bear Arms as well as be turned down for a job because you have a "mental health record." Does it matter that you went to see the psychologist because you lost interest in sex or that you needed a referral from a psychologist to go out of network and be hypnotized so that you could quit smoking? HELL NO. It will be just like a "criminal record." Nobody is going to read the transcripts nor weigh the value of the treatment nor more than they read court transcripts to find out that you were threatened with pleading guilty or facing a maximum prison sentence when the facts clearly dictate you were innocent. I leave you with the wisdom of Thomas Paine:
"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."
Read more at: Thomas Paine Quotes
You're right about one thing, I have no idea where you're at half the time.
ADD is difficulty paying attention or your mind drifting off of a subject. It's something you can live with without taking medication. We were talking about criminal records, not mental records. You keep detouring the subject all the time.
What you don't understand is the Doctor/ patient relationship is sacred. Criminal records are not. Doctors take an oath to protect the confidence between themselves and their clients unless they believe a serious threat to the public is at large.
The government puts guardrails on our roads so you don't accidentally drive off a cliff or into a river. The government forces companies to put warnings on medications and various devices so you don't get hurt. The government forces companies to put something in front of dock doors so an employee doesn't fall out of it or a tow motor drive off of it. The government regulation is that we truck drivers chock our wheels (putting a rubber or metal wedge under the tire) even though tractor-trailers have two independent brake systems that make it virtually impossible for the system to fail.
In other words, government takes measures to insure our safety. So if government is aware of a potentially dangerous person; a person who may cause me serious grief; a person who may be a threat to my business or family, it's governments duty to warn me of this potential--not hide it from me so I have no idea.
No, a person who is a criminal is potentially dangerous. The government is we the people. When the government sends somebody to jail, we the people sent them to jail. We have a right to know who our government sent to prison for our own protection.
Yes, just talk. Free trade, and less regulations for for those favored by republicans.what happened to free trade and less regulation, right wingers? just talk.
It’s a waste of money .
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It's a waste of skin.
Only a colossal dolt would argue against protection of one's own border. The Pentagon has misplaced more money MANY TIMES OVER over the years than what the wall would cost to build.
AND THAT IS WITHOUT EVEN CONSIDERING THE BILLIONS AND BILLIONS (AND BILLIONS) WE WOULD SAVE IN NOT-WASTED RESOURCES ONCE IT IS FINISHED.
PROVE ME WRONG. Once the wall is built, if it turns out to be a colossal mistake like you predict that backfires in our faces, we can always TEAR IT BACK DOWN, melt the steel, and use the metal to make free housing for illegal Latinos.
It is HIGHLY disingenuous for anyone to suggest that those opposed to the wall don't care about border security. Not having a case, the build the wall proponents are slinging the scare word liberal around and making a baseless and false accusation.
The people once known as patriots and constitutionalists had the issue under control and were successfully working toward permanent solutions to this issue. History has already proven you wrong.
The thing of it is, the really ignorant people are those who are for the wall, but against using their common sense. Rather than call people names; rather than question the motives of others, you should sit down and ask yourself what happens if you get the wall - and be OBJECTIVE. How will the law affect YOUR Liberty?
Having ninja clad, machine gun toting federal mercenaries patrolling a wall that cannot stop free enterprise nor cure people of their drug habit only brings cries for a bigger and bigger - and more intrusive government. With that more and more of your Liberties go south until you cannot reclaim them. I'd rather fight that inevitability because, once the wall is built, and proves ineffective we will not be able to stop it any more than we stopped the once TEMPORARY tax known as the income tax. And what has the 16th Amendment brought you besides a private corporation of murderers that makes the average American quake in their shoes? Most people would rather face an armed robber than the IRS. Yet you don't learn from history.
You sound like a parakeet, always rehashing what Hush Bimbo said.
How do you know what he said? I don't bring up Rush, you do. You have this problem of thinking people are saying something they never said.
What your sources are not revealing is that they took OTHER precautions - which you conveniently ignore.
WTF difference would that make even if it were true. The fact of the matter is border walls work. They work around the world, they work here, and they will work even more when more wall is erected.
When I'm traveling about in town, I get a few minutes of Rush here and there several times a week. So, when you babble on about your precious wall, it's pretty evident that you are getting your info from Rush and / or the same sources he gets his drivel from.
A border wall will not work in a free society. They work in totalitarian regimes for a reason. I can explain that simple concept to you, but I cannot understand it for you. You want to live in the ultimate POLICE STATE; I don't. End of story.
Use your time to research the Fourth Amendment and show us the AUTHORITY in the Constitution for the government to be able to give you that information. I've cited at least two United States Supreme Court decisions that refute your position.
You don't read the posts of others. At best you skim read it and then don't read the court rulings. That is WHY you're consistently wrong.
It has nothing to do with the fourth amendment. Your criminal records are not your personal property, it's governments property.
And the United States government has no Right or duty to share those records with anyone.
Nor are they restricted from it either. If a politician wants my vote, he or she better do what they can to not hide things from me that I need to know about.
Yes, they ARE restricted. That is why you have a Fourth Amendment. You simply want to circumvent it with a records search without a warrant via a proxy.
One more time since you obviously don't get it: it's not the persons property. It's property of the government. The government can do whatever it wants with that information including making it public. The Fourth Amendment prohibits GOVERNMENT from seizure of your PERSONAL PROPERTY that is in your possession. Criminal records are not in your possession, therefore there is no way the government is violating your Fourth.
What a load of horseshit. I marvel at how you morons construct these fantasies based on a total lack of facts. Trump has reduced black unemployment to the lowest point it's ever been. Only a dumbass like you believes having a job is not important. I could go down your list of lies and deconstruct each one, but why bother? they are all obvious horseshit driven by hatred.Trump has nothing to offer to ordinary Americans. Protection against predatory vultures, workers' bargaining powers, a healthy environment, a stable future for their kids, affordable (higher) education (etc.), there is nothing on the table. So, he lets himself be seen fighting like a lion against the imaginary Swamp, against the "establishment", to "protect" Americans against the "darkies" - their crime, disease, their drugs, and whatnot. A political ploy, and a boondoggle, campaign antics that have one major benefit: to be paid for by the taxpayers themselves.
What could be more alluring to the Trumpster Fire than that?
Obviously don't know the def of "projection"
You do know the unemploymeat is following the 8 years of Obama?
And you never mention don has created fewer jobs in his 2 years than Obama did in his last 2?
Can you deconstruct that?
Presidents don't create jobs--the private sector does. All a President can do is make it more or less inviting for the private sector TO create those jobs. Hussein was the most anti-business President in our lifetime. So he deserves zero credit.
White boy talks out both sides of mouth. If the private sector creates the job, then it belongs to them. The government has NO constitutional authority to take that job and give it to someone on the pretext that the other guy is a citizen.
You can regulate immigration without a wall and without penalizing private property owners for not being subject to the control over private property.
The government has the authority to deport anyone who isn't here legally, and it also has the authority to impose penalties on those who assist illegals to remain in the country. Giving them a job is helping someone commit a crime.
True but that doesn't keep Trumpsters from repeating the same lie, just like their leader.Drugs go through checkpoints, also most illegals came by plane by the way. That's why we keep telling you a wall is useless.That's what you get when you have a "conservative" (corporatist) SCOTUSIt has nothing to do with "how far we will go" it has to do with legality. The Supreme court ruled (a few years back) that eminent domain even applies to private companies wishing to make improvements to an area. In other words, being able to buy structures and evicting people out of them to tear those homes down and build new ones.
We didn't have a conservative corporatist court at the time. We don't even have one now. That's why the Supreme Court just ruled that Trump can't deny asylum to people caught sneaking into the country.
Building a wall is applying a solution that the Chinese used in the 4th Century AD, and it didn't work then. The Great Wall proved no deterrent at all to attacking armies, despite 15 centuries of construction, fortification and expansion and was abandoned altogether by the last army which overall it.
The Eminent Domain cases from the last attempt to fence the entire southern border have still not cleared the dockets in Texas, and local residents are gearing up for another fight.
Cartels are now using drones to smuggle drugs across the border, so a wall is absolutely not deterrent to drugs.
And last but not least, Trump promised Mexico would pay for it, and now he's giving us some bullshit line that the new NAFTA 2.0 is paying for it. The American people will be paying for it. That's on top of the $4000 raises he promised everyone from the corporate tax cut that never materialized.
$4,000 raises? That's a new one on me. I never heard of that before and I watched the elections pretty closely.
So now your stance is to compare a 4th century wall to today? Then why is it where walls and fences are erected, they made noticeable improvement if not total improvement?
And you're claiming all drugs are coming in on drones? Very well, even though I don't believe a word of that (I know they use drones from time to time) what happens when we find a solution to that problem? Start the wall talk again? Wouldn't it be better to have the wall in place already when that happens?
Did you ever take notice that we pro-wall people don't give a rats ass who is paying for the wall, yet you on the left keep bringing that up like it's a relevant point to stop it?
Mr. Rockwell, I appreciate your concern and acknowledge your humanitarian side, but please read the rest of the watchdog's article of which I am quoting before you go too far down the road to letting sidewinders such easy access to the tax money we are presently paying if you have a few minutes:I don't like to live in a country of cowards cowering behind a wallA- Cost prohibitive
B- Won't work
C- It's racist
D- It would reduce those successfully crossing the border
E- None of the Above
The machine benefits by not having a wall. Business (Republicans) get their cheap labor and (Democrats) get the votes
You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours
There is no excuse for the Republicans not funding the wall.
-Geaux
Oh, that reverse psychology guilt trip thing again? You all tried that multiple times with gun discussions. When are you on the left going to realize that doesn't work? It's painfully transparent.
I've noticed that the pro-wall people are ALWAYS blaming the left for being against the nutty wall idea. The facts are that I am a Republican as are the majority of the people in the U.S. Senate. When push comes to shove, most Republicans are against the nutty wall idea.
Ray, you cannot come to grips with the fact that a wall is a socialist solution looking for a problem to solve. When people show you instances when a wall does not work, you are complaining about how far back into history the other poster went to prove the point. Even going back to BIBLICAL times, walls have not been long term solutions for much of anything.
Those, such as yourself, like wailing about the damn wall, but cannot tell us a single problem you're really addressing. If those with a few IQ points show you what's wrong with the pretext you rely on, you want to move the goal posts.
I really wish you would quit blaming opposition to the wall on the Republicans. The only reason most of them are supporting idea is in the best interests of party unity so that other legislation does not get bogged down AND the fix is in. Once the wall is fully funded and Donnie gets his win, you can kiss that gun in your avatar good-bye.
For everything you gain there is something lost. Trump isn't God. He is playing the Art of the Deal. You're simply too ignorant to ask what the real cost - not in terms of dollars and cents, but in terms of legislation (legislation that will affect YOUR Liberties) does this nutty and INEFFECTIVE wall idea cost.
Analysis: Illegal immigrants cost taxpayers $116 billion annually
With ongoing violent protests in favor of amnesty for illegal aliens, immigration reformer advocates point to exponential costs taxpayers already pay for illegal immigrants, and how much more taxpayers would spend if they were given amnesty.$116,000,000,000/ 300,000,000 = $387.00 for every man, woman, and child living in this country right now, and half of them either have no income or are living on welfare, student loans, off their parents, or whatever, which doubles the ante to $773.00 for everyone earning wages. Why do people who work within the poverty status having to pay a noncitizen to get free housing, free food, free education, free utilities, free telephones, and everything else?
According to the most recent analysis by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), one illegal immigrant living in America today costs U.S. citizen taxpayers about $8,075. In total, illegal aliens cost American taxpayers $116 billion annually.
FAIR researchers note the increasing costs of illegal immigration is a “disturbing and unsustainable trend.” Costs to taxpayers have risen by nearly $3 billion since 2013, when illegal aliens’ total cost to taxpayers was $113 billion, according to FAIR.
The rest of the story: Analysis: Illegal immigrants cost taxpayers $116 billion annually
And if the government fixes it and poverty status taxpayers don't see a rise in their taxes, that leaves working parents trying to raise a family that omission, which means, they're having to pay about $5,000 apiece for this anomaly rather than save that for a rainy day or give donations to libraries, churches, museums, and other charitable causes.
Maybe my math isn't 100% perfect, but it could be low ball if we're forgetting other things than watchdog.org has discovered. The math doesn't lie.
Edit: One hundred and sixteen billion a year is what we're paying
I don't play to the humanitarian side. I've already exposed WHO the organizations you cite really are. A mind is like a parachute. It only operates when it's open.
The build the wall advocates make an idiotic claim about how much so called illegal aliens "cost," but they NEVER examine the other side of the ledger in order to understand why they are here. The reason I call their method idiotic is that it is BLATANTLY dishonest as if the rest of society is too stupid to examine the three most important facts:
1) As much as it makes Tea Party Republicans cringe, there are two sides of an accounting ledger and the supposed facts you cite do not figure in how much foreign labor contributes and how much wealth they create
2) The people on this thread, advocating for the wall, fight tooth and nail against the effort to rehabilitate those who are disenfranchised and get them working so that there is less demand for foreign labor
3) Tea Party Republicans want to keep a segment of their own people locked out of society and then blame the people that take the jobs Americans CANNOT take due to double minded people that want to keep some Americans from getting a job AND denying employers their unalienable Right to hire the person they want to hire for the job.
It’s a waste of money .
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It's a waste of skin.
Only a colossal dolt would argue against protection of one's own border. The Pentagon has misplaced more money MANY TIMES OVER over the years than what the wall would cost to build.
AND THAT IS WITHOUT EVEN CONSIDERING THE BILLIONS AND BILLIONS (AND BILLIONS) WE WOULD SAVE IN NOT-WASTED RESOURCES ONCE IT IS FINISHED.
PROVE ME WRONG. Once the wall is built, if it turns out to be a colossal mistake like you predict that backfires in our faces, we can always TEAR IT BACK DOWN, melt the steel, and use the metal to make free housing for illegal Latinos.
It is HIGHLY disingenuous for anyone to suggest that those opposed to the wall don't care about border security. Not having a case, the build the wall proponents are slinging the scare word liberal around and making a baseless and false accusation.
The people once known as patriots and constitutionalists had the issue under control and were successfully working toward permanent solutions to this issue. History has already proven you wrong.
The thing of it is, the really ignorant people are those who are for the wall, but against using their common sense. Rather than call people names; rather than question the motives of others, you should sit down and ask yourself what happens if you get the wall - and be OBJECTIVE. How will the law affect YOUR Liberty?
Having ninja clad, machine gun toting federal mercenaries patrolling a wall that cannot stop free enterprise nor cure people of their drug habit only brings cries for a bigger and bigger - and more intrusive government. With that more and more of your Liberties go south until you cannot reclaim them. I'd rather fight that inevitability because, once the wall is built, and proves ineffective we will not be able to stop it any more than we stopped the once TEMPORARY tax known as the income tax. And what has the 16th Amendment brought you besides a private corporation of murderers that makes the average American quake in their shoes? Most people would rather face an armed robber than the IRS. Yet you don't learn from history.
The border security says the 600 miles of walls we have now are highly effective.
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