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Sorry, turd, but you'll never convince me that you're a Republican. You walk like a Democrat, waddle like a Democrat and talk like a Democrat.I've noticed that the pro-wall people are ALWAYS blaming the left for being against the nutty wall idea. The facts are that I am a Republican as are the majority of the people in the U.S. Senate. When push comes to shove, most Republicans are against the nutty wall idea.
Ray, you cannot come to grips with the fact that a wall is a socialist solution looking for a problem to solve. When people show you instances when a wall does not work, you are complaining about how far back into history the other poster went to prove the point. Even going back to BIBLICAL times, walls have not been long term solutions for much of anything.
Those, such as yourself, like wailing about the damn wall, but cannot tell us a single problem you're really addressing. If those with a few IQ points show you what's wrong with the pretext you rely on, you want to move the goal posts.
I really wish you would quit blaming opposition to the wall on the Republicans. The only reason most of them are supporting idea is in the best interests of party unity so that other legislation does not get bogged down AND the fix is in. Once the wall is fully funded and Donnie gets his win, you can kiss that gun in your avatar good-bye.
For everything you gain there is something lost. Trump isn't God. He is playing the Art of the Deal. You're simply too ignorant to ask what the real cost - not in terms of dollars and cents, but in terms of legislation (legislation that will affect YOUR Liberties) does this nutty and INEFFECTIVE wall idea cost.
When you stoop to name calling, it negates ANY argument you bring to the table. Furthermore, NO liberal has ever offered up ANY argument I've made on this subject. NO liberal has quote me; I've not quoted ANY liberal in support of my position. But, I can damn well cite a liberal arguing YOUR point of view:
Plenty of liberals have used the exact same arguments. There are no new arguments in this debate. Either your for the wall or you're against it. In the latter case, you lie to support your position. That's the bottom line.
The only thing you have not lied about thus far is that you're either for the wall or against it.
I'm against it and know there are better ways to secure the border. Admit it, you don't care about anything but the wall. You'd sell your soul for a wall. You don't even know what's being traded off in order to get it built.
No liberal has ever quoted me; I've never quoted a liberal and they do NOT make the same arguments I do.
You and the liberals are both against the wall because a wall would work. What more do we need to know?
Sorry, turd, but you'll never convince me that you're a Republican. You walk like a Democrat, waddle like a Democrat and talk like a Democrat.I've noticed that the pro-wall people are ALWAYS blaming the left for being against the nutty wall idea. The facts are that I am a Republican as are the majority of the people in the U.S. Senate. When push comes to shove, most Republicans are against the nutty wall idea.
Ray, you cannot come to grips with the fact that a wall is a socialist solution looking for a problem to solve. When people show you instances when a wall does not work, you are complaining about how far back into history the other poster went to prove the point. Even going back to BIBLICAL times, walls have not been long term solutions for much of anything.
Those, such as yourself, like wailing about the damn wall, but cannot tell us a single problem you're really addressing. If those with a few IQ points show you what's wrong with the pretext you rely on, you want to move the goal posts.
I really wish you would quit blaming opposition to the wall on the Republicans. The only reason most of them are supporting idea is in the best interests of party unity so that other legislation does not get bogged down AND the fix is in. Once the wall is fully funded and Donnie gets his win, you can kiss that gun in your avatar good-bye.
For everything you gain there is something lost. Trump isn't God. He is playing the Art of the Deal. You're simply too ignorant to ask what the real cost - not in terms of dollars and cents, but in terms of legislation (legislation that will affect YOUR Liberties) does this nutty and INEFFECTIVE wall idea cost.
When you stoop to name calling, it negates ANY argument you bring to the table. Furthermore, NO liberal has ever offered up ANY argument I've made on this subject. NO liberal has quote me; I've not quoted ANY liberal in support of my position. But, I can damn well cite a liberal arguing YOUR point of view:
Right. Isn't that the same guy who ran on welfare reform, and when it was finally introduced by THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS, he vetoed the bill twice? Isn't it the same guy who was forced to sign it because the Republicans introduced it a third time right before his reelection bid?
All of that is irrelevant to immigration. I'm not a Democrat. You're grasping at straws with your off topic deflection.
There is nothing off topic about it. Democrats are born liars. As Limbaugh said repeatedly, when Democrats want to win elections, they talk like Republicans. The Democrats never wanted a wall. If they did, it would have been built in the first two years of Obama, or the first year of Clinton. Much like Welfare Reform, they simply state they are for it when they are really not.
But do tell (since you believe their BS) what Democrat President ever took action on building a wall? More importantly, what Republican ever fought a Democrat President from building one?
Starting to get the picture yet? If not, sleep on it, and maybe it will come to you.
Sorry, turd, but you'll never convince me that you're a Republican. You walk like a Democrat, waddle like a Democrat and talk like a Democrat.
When you stoop to name calling, it negates ANY argument you bring to the table. Furthermore, NO liberal has ever offered up ANY argument I've made on this subject. NO liberal has quote me; I've not quoted ANY liberal in support of my position. But, I can damn well cite a liberal arguing YOUR point of view:
Plenty of liberals have used the exact same arguments. There are no new arguments in this debate. Either your for the wall or you're against it. In the latter case, you lie to support your position. That's the bottom line.
The only thing you have not lied about thus far is that you're either for the wall or against it.
I'm against it and know there are better ways to secure the border. Admit it, you don't care about anything but the wall. You'd sell your soul for a wall. You don't even know what's being traded off in order to get it built.
No liberal has ever quoted me; I've never quoted a liberal and they do NOT make the same arguments I do.
You and the liberals are both against the wall because a wall would work. What more do we need to know?
The wall would work to expand the POLICE POWERS of the state at the expense of our God given Rights; it will NOT work because the United States of America is not a communist country; however, after you get your silly wall it will be.
So if a guy loses his job and doesn't pay child support is dangerous? A guy who has a beef with the tax authorities is dangerous? Only in Ray's world.
That's up to me and employers to decide, not you and not the government. I need to know who and what I'm dealing with to make a safe and sound decision.
Under our Constitution as originally written and intended you are finally RIGHT. That is precisely why it's not the government's business who a company does or does not offer a job to. It's not your freaking job; it belongs to the employer that created it.
And yet you stand by an employees past being hidden from an employer so the employer doesn't know what kind of jeopardy he or she is putting their company in. Wonderful.
That is a straight out LIE and you know it. I said no such thing. I also instructed you on how to find out about people via private sources.
I don't need your instruction about doing investigative searches on tenants. Your stance was that criminal records should be kept away from the public; particularly employers and landlords. If you challenge me on this, I'm on vacation and have the time, and I'll be happy to quote you on this and even provide a post number(s).
Sorry, turd, but you'll never convince me that you're a Republican. You walk like a Democrat, waddle like a Democrat and talk like a Democrat.
When you stoop to name calling, it negates ANY argument you bring to the table. Furthermore, NO liberal has ever offered up ANY argument I've made on this subject. NO liberal has quote me; I've not quoted ANY liberal in support of my position. But, I can damn well cite a liberal arguing YOUR point of view:
Right. Isn't that the same guy who ran on welfare reform, and when it was finally introduced by THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS, he vetoed the bill twice? Isn't it the same guy who was forced to sign it because the Republicans introduced it a third time right before his reelection bid?
All of that is irrelevant to immigration. I'm not a Democrat. You're grasping at straws with your off topic deflection.
There is nothing off topic about it. Democrats are born liars. As Limbaugh said repeatedly, when Democrats want to win elections, they talk like Republicans. The Democrats never wanted a wall. If they did, it would have been built in the first two years of Obama, or the first year of Clinton. Much like Welfare Reform, they simply state they are for it when they are really not.
But do tell (since you believe their BS) what Democrat President ever took action on building a wall? More importantly, what Republican ever fought a Democrat President from building one?
Starting to get the picture yet? If not, sleep on it, and maybe it will come to you.
You have a very limited (if any) capacity to see how politics work.
The objective of the NEW WORLD ORDER is to seize all the power and make resistance to tyranny an impossibility. Why stop at with just the wall when sheeple will screw themselves out of the Bill of Rights for the illusion of a win on the nutty wall idea? They win two fights for the price of one - and useful idiots will assist them in converting our Republic into the world's shining example of a POLICE STATE?
Sorry, turd, but you'll never convince me that you're a Republican. You walk like a Democrat, waddle like a Democrat and talk like a Democrat.
When you stoop to name calling, it negates ANY argument you bring to the table. Furthermore, NO liberal has ever offered up ANY argument I've made on this subject. NO liberal has quote me; I've not quoted ANY liberal in support of my position. But, I can damn well cite a liberal arguing YOUR point of view:
Plenty of liberals have used the exact same arguments. There are no new arguments in this debate. Either your for the wall or you're against it. In the latter case, you lie to support your position. That's the bottom line.
The only thing you have not lied about thus far is that you're either for the wall or against it.
I'm against it and know there are better ways to secure the border. Admit it, you don't care about anything but the wall. You'd sell your soul for a wall. You don't even know what's being traded off in order to get it built.
No liberal has ever quoted me; I've never quoted a liberal and they do NOT make the same arguments I do.
You and the liberals are both against the wall because a wall would work. What more do we need to know?
The wall would work to expand the POLICE POWERS of the state at the expense of our God given Rights; it will NOT work because the United States of America is not a communist country; however, after you get your silly wall it will be.
That's up to me and employers to decide, not you and not the government. I need to know who and what I'm dealing with to make a safe and sound decision.
Under our Constitution as originally written and intended you are finally RIGHT. That is precisely why it's not the government's business who a company does or does not offer a job to. It's not your freaking job; it belongs to the employer that created it.
And yet you stand by an employees past being hidden from an employer so the employer doesn't know what kind of jeopardy he or she is putting their company in. Wonderful.
That is a straight out LIE and you know it. I said no such thing. I also instructed you on how to find out about people via private sources.
I don't need your instruction about doing investigative searches on tenants. Your stance was that criminal records should be kept away from the public; particularly employers and landlords. If you challenge me on this, I'm on vacation and have the time, and I'll be happy to quote you on this and even provide a post number(s).
Use your time to research the Fourth Amendment and show us the AUTHORITY in the Constitution for the government to be able to give you that information. I've cited at least two United States Supreme Court decisions that refute your position.
You don't read the posts of others. At best you skim read it and then don't read the court rulings. That is WHY you're consistently wrong.
Why is building a wall wrong?
1.) Why bother going to such drastic lengths to tackle a "problem" that's been on the decline? (See: Pew Research)
2.) Do the wall advocates realize there will never actually be a "full" wall? Recall the recent border fence and Landowner lawsuits. The Trump administration could use eminent domain to acquire the land but will have to negotiate compensation and WILL face lawsuits. More than 90 such lawsuits in southern Texas alone are still open from the effort to build a fence there.
3.) The wall isn't going to fix the drug problem. According to the DEA, most drugs come through legal ports of entry.
etc,etc,etc...
What a load of horseshit. I marvel at how you morons construct these fantasies based on a total lack of facts. Trump has reduced black unemployment to the lowest point it's ever been. Only a dumbass like you believes having a job is not important. I could go down your list of lies and deconstruct each one, but why bother? they are all obvious horseshit driven by hatred.Why is building a wall wrong?
1.) Why bother going to such drastic lengths to tackle a "problem" that's been on the decline? (See: Pew Research)
2.) Do the wall advocates realize there will never actually be a "full" wall? Recall the recent border fence and Landowner lawsuits. The Trump administration could use eminent domain to acquire the land but will have to negotiate compensation and WILL face lawsuits. More than 90 such lawsuits in southern Texas alone are still open from the effort to build a fence there.
3.) The wall isn't going to fix the drug problem. According to the DEA, most drugs come through legal ports of entry.
etc,etc,etc...
Trump has nothing to offer to ordinary Americans. Protection against predatory vultures, workers' bargaining powers, a healthy environment, a stable future for their kids, affordable (higher) education (etc.), there is nothing on the table. So, he lets himself be seen fighting like a lion against the imaginary Swamp, against the "establishment", to "protect" Americans against the "darkies" - their crime, disease, their drugs, and whatnot. A political ploy, and a boondoggle, campaign antics that have one major benefit: to be paid for by the taxpayers themselves.
What could be more alluring to the Trumpster Fire than that?
Dude I keep telling you the primary problem with you guys, anti immigrants, pro trump I'd being ignorant of facts and you live ina bunnle....we lose our shit trying to explain to you but your fear and ignorance is blinding uou.It makes wonder also how some of those border agents make more than their salaries, and dozens got arrested.Drugs go through checkpoints, also most illegals came by plane by the way. That's why we keep telling you a wall is useless.
Hmmm. Makes you wonder how those border agencies make thousands of busts every year by the border.
Really? When?
Here read the article, and don't tell me is fake news.
U.S. Border Agency Says Hundreds of Employees Have Been Arrested Over 2 Years
I couldn't get to the site because they want money which I'm not about the pay. So I did a Google search to find a credible news source reporting on the story as well, and can't find one. I did find a story from some internet site called Pogo.com, however I never heard of them before and it's likely they just parroted the NYT story.
But in that story their claim is that 200 agents (80 of them border patrol) were arrested since 2004. No elaboration on how many were charged or actually convicted and for what offense.
When you stoop to name calling, it negates ANY argument you bring to the table. Furthermore, NO liberal has ever offered up ANY argument I've made on this subject. NO liberal has quote me; I've not quoted ANY liberal in support of my position. But, I can damn well cite a liberal arguing YOUR point of view:
Plenty of liberals have used the exact same arguments. There are no new arguments in this debate. Either your for the wall or you're against it. In the latter case, you lie to support your position. That's the bottom line.
The only thing you have not lied about thus far is that you're either for the wall or against it.
I'm against it and know there are better ways to secure the border. Admit it, you don't care about anything but the wall. You'd sell your soul for a wall. You don't even know what's being traded off in order to get it built.
No liberal has ever quoted me; I've never quoted a liberal and they do NOT make the same arguments I do.
You and the liberals are both against the wall because a wall would work. What more do we need to know?
The wall would work to expand the POLICE POWERS of the state at the expense of our God given Rights; it will NOT work because the United States of America is not a communist country; however, after you get your silly wall it will be.
How would the wall expand the police powers of the state? If anything, it would reduce the need for border patrol and reduce the need for policing for illegals hundreds of miles from the border and stopping American citizens to determine their immigration status.
The stuff you post is obvious hooey.
It's obvious that the government don't make your decisions for you. Rush Limbaugh does that. But, you clearly WISH that the government would be your personal Santa Claus.
Asking that government not hide information from me that could cause me harm either physically or financially is not Santa Clause. It's asking government to do it's job by protecting us from enemies foreign and domestic.
In 2005, a news article reported this:
"WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm..."
Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone
You are FACTUALLY wrong again.
Another article quoted the above, but the United States Supreme Court is still ruling all the time on this question. A more recent article states this:
"However, did you know that the government, and specifically law enforcement, does not have any duty to protect the general public? Based on the headline and this information, you might assume this is a new, landmark decision. However, it has long been the court’s stance that, essentially, the American people are responsible for taking case of their own personal safety."
https://tribunist.com/news/supreme-court-ruling-police-have-no-duty-to-protect-the-general-public/
The government has NO duty to you as an individual when your personal safety is the issue.
And the government has no right to restrict information from me that may lead to physical harm or property damage. Public record should remain just that--public.
In spite of the devil whispering in your ear, I'm in favor of protecting law abiding citizens. You are for protection of the criminal element.
I am for protecting Americans. You're lying and have zero credibility. That allegation is not only baseless, but ridiculous. YOU are the criminal element. I won't defend you any longer.
I never asked you to defend me in the first place. I don't need your defense.
No, you are not protecting Americans by insisting government restrict employers, landlords and the public in general about ex-cons interaction with them. You want to hide dangerous people from the public until they act in criminality again which could lead to harm, property damage, and even death. You're fine with that, so don't say you are for protecting Americans.
When you stoop to name calling, it negates ANY argument you bring to the table. Furthermore, NO liberal has ever offered up ANY argument I've made on this subject. NO liberal has quote me; I've not quoted ANY liberal in support of my position. But, I can damn well cite a liberal arguing YOUR point of view:
Plenty of liberals have used the exact same arguments. There are no new arguments in this debate. Either your for the wall or you're against it. In the latter case, you lie to support your position. That's the bottom line.
The only thing you have not lied about thus far is that you're either for the wall or against it.
I'm against it and know there are better ways to secure the border. Admit it, you don't care about anything but the wall. You'd sell your soul for a wall. You don't even know what's being traded off in order to get it built.
No liberal has ever quoted me; I've never quoted a liberal and they do NOT make the same arguments I do.
You and the liberals are both against the wall because a wall would work. What more do we need to know?
The wall would work to expand the POLICE POWERS of the state at the expense of our God given Rights; it will NOT work because the United States of America is not a communist country; however, after you get your silly wall it will be.
Only Communist countries secure their borders? And how would a wall change an entire system of government?
Guess what? I won't lose one right if we get that border wall.......not one. Which rights do you think you'd be losing?
When you stoop to name calling, it negates ANY argument you bring to the table. Furthermore, NO liberal has ever offered up ANY argument I've made on this subject. NO liberal has quote me; I've not quoted ANY liberal in support of my position. But, I can damn well cite a liberal arguing YOUR point of view:
Plenty of liberals have used the exact same arguments. There are no new arguments in this debate. Either your for the wall or you're against it. In the latter case, you lie to support your position. That's the bottom line.
The only thing you have not lied about thus far is that you're either for the wall or against it.
I'm against it and know there are better ways to secure the border. Admit it, you don't care about anything but the wall. You'd sell your soul for a wall. You don't even know what's being traded off in order to get it built.
No liberal has ever quoted me; I've never quoted a liberal and they do NOT make the same arguments I do.
You and the liberals are both against the wall because a wall would work. What more do we need to know?
The wall would work to expand the POLICE POWERS of the state at the expense of our God given Rights; it will NOT work because the United States of America is not a communist country; however, after you get your silly wall it will be.
Only Communist countries secure their borders? And how would a wall change an entire system of government?
Guess what? I won't lose one right if we get that border wall.......not one. Which rights do you think you'd be losing?
When you stoop to name calling, it negates ANY argument you bring to the table. Furthermore, NO liberal has ever offered up ANY argument I've made on this subject. NO liberal has quote me; I've not quoted ANY liberal in support of my position. But, I can damn well cite a liberal arguing YOUR point of view:
Plenty of liberals have used the exact same arguments. There are no new arguments in this debate. Either your for the wall or you're against it. In the latter case, you lie to support your position. That's the bottom line.
The only thing you have not lied about thus far is that you're either for the wall or against it.
I'm against it and know there are better ways to secure the border. Admit it, you don't care about anything but the wall. You'd sell your soul for a wall. You don't even know what's being traded off in order to get it built.
No liberal has ever quoted me; I've never quoted a liberal and they do NOT make the same arguments I do.
You and the liberals are both against the wall because a wall would work. What more do we need to know?
The wall would work to expand the POLICE POWERS of the state at the expense of our God given Rights; it will NOT work because the United States of America is not a communist country; however, after you get your silly wall it will be.
Only Communist countries secure their borders? And how would a wall change an entire system of government?
Guess what? I won't lose one right if we get that border wall.......not one. Which rights do you think you'd be losing?
When you stoop to name calling, it negates ANY argument you bring to the table. Furthermore, NO liberal has ever offered up ANY argument I've made on this subject. NO liberal has quote me; I've not quoted ANY liberal in support of my position. But, I can damn well cite a liberal arguing YOUR point of view:
Right. Isn't that the same guy who ran on welfare reform, and when it was finally introduced by THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS, he vetoed the bill twice? Isn't it the same guy who was forced to sign it because the Republicans introduced it a third time right before his reelection bid?
All of that is irrelevant to immigration. I'm not a Democrat. You're grasping at straws with your off topic deflection.
There is nothing off topic about it. Democrats are born liars. As Limbaugh said repeatedly, when Democrats want to win elections, they talk like Republicans. The Democrats never wanted a wall. If they did, it would have been built in the first two years of Obama, or the first year of Clinton. Much like Welfare Reform, they simply state they are for it when they are really not.
But do tell (since you believe their BS) what Democrat President ever took action on building a wall? More importantly, what Republican ever fought a Democrat President from building one?
Starting to get the picture yet? If not, sleep on it, and maybe it will come to you.
You have a very limited (if any) capacity to see how politics work.
The objective of the NEW WORLD ORDER is to seize all the power and make resistance to tyranny an impossibility. Why stop at with just the wall when sheeple will screw themselves out of the Bill of Rights for the illusion of a win on the nutty wall idea? They win two fights for the price of one - and useful idiots will assist them in converting our Republic into the world's shining example of a POLICE STATE?
It's difficult to have a serious discussion with you Black Helicopter people. If you want to discuss issues, do it in reality, not television movies.
Under our Constitution as originally written and intended you are finally RIGHT. That is precisely why it's not the government's business who a company does or does not offer a job to. It's not your freaking job; it belongs to the employer that created it.
And yet you stand by an employees past being hidden from an employer so the employer doesn't know what kind of jeopardy he or she is putting their company in. Wonderful.
That is a straight out LIE and you know it. I said no such thing. I also instructed you on how to find out about people via private sources.
I don't need your instruction about doing investigative searches on tenants. Your stance was that criminal records should be kept away from the public; particularly employers and landlords. If you challenge me on this, I'm on vacation and have the time, and I'll be happy to quote you on this and even provide a post number(s).
Use your time to research the Fourth Amendment and show us the AUTHORITY in the Constitution for the government to be able to give you that information. I've cited at least two United States Supreme Court decisions that refute your position.
You don't read the posts of others. At best you skim read it and then don't read the court rulings. That is WHY you're consistently wrong.
It has nothing to do with the fourth amendment. Your criminal records are not your personal property, it's governments property.
A quarter T? Who said the wall was going to cost 250 billion? I've seen estimates of somewhere around 20 billion on the high endA&B mostly. Most illegal immigration does not come over the border by foot. And if we’re 21T in debt, a quarter T on building a wall is not a good investment.
So as an immigration barrier, it’s a bad idea; also in the stark light of the reality that illegal immigration has been largely beneficial to the economy despite the horror stories and cherry picked anecdotes.
That being said, it seems to me that a fantastic idea would be to create an alternative to the Panama canal from San Diego to Brownsville TX or so that allows goods to bypass the trip through Central America and can possibly bring irrigation to the desert Southwest. Not right along the border but something like that would serve multiple purposes;
Jobs during the construction
Immigration barrier to those that do cross illegally
Irrigation
Commerce
National Security.
All a pipe dream.
It would be a multi decade project of course and We don’t do big things any longer.
Space Force!
You and all the other Hillary voters in here are for open borders.How high is a preprogrammed drones salary? How many bathroom breaks does he need? How much gas for an 8 hour shift? Does he need a college educated driver who also requires an absurd salary?But at what cost ?? You know the “wall” plan includes drones and all kinds of high tech sensors , roving border guards . It’s not just some one time cost and you are done .
DO YOU HAVE A BRAIN?
Clearly you do not. Drones don’t fly themselves….someone monitors what they see…for just one thing.
How much time do you spend thinking about illegal immigration in a day? Whatever it is…it’s too much.
The blob tells you your enemy is down there; you’re dumb enough to believe it. That is all.
That is the reason there is a supposed immigration crisis in the nation.
Essentially the same number people crossing today were crossing 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 30, years ago….50 years ago; Somehow we managed to build the greatest society on the planet. Ever. But now you’re told there is a problem with a group of people who, by and large, are just here to do menial labor for little money…and you guys believe it.
Damn
You
Are
Stupid.
In other words open boarders are fine with you!
Like our con 5 deferment Pres You can't spell borders either or are you joking?
Do you know anyone who supports open borders?
I don't
Is that what knees news spews out?
