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And neither does criminal records being public.
The point is, Ray, you have admitted that ADD / ADHD are not real conditions - you know conditions where people need to be on drugs. You have admitted that, sir.
What you cannot see is that whether you do or do not, the public should NOT have access to your records because they cannot properly evaluate them.
In order to end this argument, I'll offer you an idea. If you want to hire someone, rent to them, etc. then since you trust the government so much why not submit the application along with the reason and let them just say they recommend that you hire them, rent to them, or you don't.
Because government doesn't make my decisions for me. I make my own decisions, and I make those decisions based on the information I have. One landlord might want to rent to an ex-con. I don't. I've had experience doing that and I base my future decisions on past experiences.
It's obvious that the government don't make your decisions for you. Rush Limbaugh does that. But, you clearly WISH that the government would be your personal Santa Claus.
Asking that government not hide information from me that could cause me harm either physically or financially is not Santa Clause. It's asking government to do it's job by protecting us from enemies foreign and domestic.
In 2005, a news article reported this:
"WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm..."
Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone
You are FACTUALLY wrong again.
Another article quoted the above, but the United States Supreme Court is still ruling all the time on this question. A more recent article states this:
"However, did you know that the government, and specifically law enforcement, does not have any duty to protect the general public? Based on the headline and this information, you might assume this is a new, landmark decision. However, it has long been the court’s stance that, essentially, the American people are responsible for taking case of their own personal safety."
https://tribunist.com/news/supreme-court-ruling-police-have-no-duty-to-protect-the-general-public/
The government has NO duty to you as an individual when your personal safety is the issue.
It’s a waste of money . If the goal is to address illegal immigration, then that money is better spent in other ways .
More ins agents , more immigrantion courts , more judges . More enforcement vs companies who hire illegals . That’s a better use if the money .
How about we keep them from entering first, then we don’t have to risk agents lives. We also don’t need them destroying whatever is in their path, and needing to be supported. Not to mention the resources they use that should go to legal tax payers. Then there is the crime they commit. We also don’t need to tie up the court system with bullshit. They should also track down the visa violators, and send them back. Steel construction, and razor wire should do the trick. Like what they use to keep criminals in jail. We already have enough people who don’t contribute anything to society. Why do we need more. You seem to have quick fixes for everything dimmy. What have you done personally to address these issues, or assist they poor people?
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The solution to this problem is simple: anybody caught here illegally will be charged with a first degree felony. It carries a minimum of five years in prison. Then we wouldn't need a wall or even border security. If you want to see what 20 million people rushing to get out of a country would look like, pass a law like that and that's exactly what you'd see.
Let us put an end to this idiocy right now:
"As a general rule, it is not a crime for a removable alien to remain in the United States." Arizona v US
ARIZONA v. UNITED STATES
Like it or not the moment a foreigner's feet hit U.S. soil, they have constitutional rights as per the 14th Amendment.
Adding insult to injury, had the build the wall advocates kept their butts at home, the constitutionalists and patriots in favor of the Constitution had this under control and were winning the fight. That court case above - that decision is all on the build the wall advocates. They own it and now you choose to misrepresent it???
Mr. Rockwell, I appreciate your concern and acknowledge your humanitarian side, but please read the rest of the watchdog's article of which I am quoting before you go too far down the road to letting sidewinders such easy access to the tax money we are presently paying if you have a few minutes:I don't like to live in a country of cowards cowering behind a wallA- Cost prohibitive
B- Won't work
C- It's racist
D- It would reduce those successfully crossing the border
E- None of the Above
The machine benefits by not having a wall. Business (Republicans) get their cheap labor and (Democrats) get the votes
You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours
There is no excuse for the Republicans not funding the wall.
-Geaux
Oh, that reverse psychology guilt trip thing again? You all tried that multiple times with gun discussions. When are you on the left going to realize that doesn't work? It's painfully transparent.
I've noticed that the pro-wall people are ALWAYS blaming the left for being against the nutty wall idea. The facts are that I am a Republican as are the majority of the people in the U.S. Senate. When push comes to shove, most Republicans are against the nutty wall idea.
Ray, you cannot come to grips with the fact that a wall is a socialist solution looking for a problem to solve. When people show you instances when a wall does not work, you are complaining about how far back into history the other poster went to prove the point. Even going back to BIBLICAL times, walls have not been long term solutions for much of anything.
Those, such as yourself, like wailing about the damn wall, but cannot tell us a single problem you're really addressing. If those with a few IQ points show you what's wrong with the pretext you rely on, you want to move the goal posts.
I really wish you would quit blaming opposition to the wall on the Republicans. The only reason most of them are supporting idea is in the best interests of party unity so that other legislation does not get bogged down AND the fix is in. Once the wall is fully funded and Donnie gets his win, you can kiss that gun in your avatar good-bye.
For everything you gain there is something lost. Trump isn't God. He is playing the Art of the Deal. You're simply too ignorant to ask what the real cost - not in terms of dollars and cents, but in terms of legislation (legislation that will affect YOUR Liberties) does this nutty and INEFFECTIVE wall idea cost.
Analysis: Illegal immigrants cost taxpayers $116 billion annually
With ongoing violent protests in favor of amnesty for illegal aliens, immigration reformer advocates point to exponential costs taxpayers already pay for illegal immigrants, and how much more taxpayers would spend if they were given amnesty.$116,000,000,000/ 300,000,000 = $387.00 for every man, woman, and child living in this country right now, and half of them either have no income or are living on welfare, student loans, off their parents, or whatever, which doubles the ante to $773.00 for everyone earning wages. Why do people who work within the poverty status having to pay a noncitizen to get free housing, free food, free education, free utilities, free telephones, and everything else?
According to the most recent analysis by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), one illegal immigrant living in America today costs U.S. citizen taxpayers about $8,075. In total, illegal aliens cost American taxpayers $116 billion annually.
FAIR researchers note the increasing costs of illegal immigration is a “disturbing and unsustainable trend.” Costs to taxpayers have risen by nearly $3 billion since 2013, when illegal aliens’ total cost to taxpayers was $113 billion, according to FAIR.
The rest of the story: Analysis: Illegal immigrants cost taxpayers $116 billion annually
And if the government fixes it and poverty status taxpayers don't see a rise in their taxes, that leaves working parents trying to raise a family that omission, which means, they're having to pay about $5,000 apiece for this anomaly rather than save that for a rainy day or give donations to libraries, churches, museums, and other charitable causes.
Maybe my math isn't 100% perfect, but it could be low ball if we're forgetting other things than watchdog.org has discovered. The math doesn't lie.
Edit: One hundred and sixteen billion a year is what we're paying
Rush Limbaugh admitted you can have secure borders without a wall?I don't like to live in a country of cowards cowering behind a wall
Oh, that reverse psychology guilt trip thing again? You all tried that multiple times with gun discussions. When are you on the left going to realize that doesn't work? It's painfully transparent.
I've noticed that the pro-wall people are ALWAYS blaming the left for being against the nutty wall idea. The facts are that I am a Republican as are the majority of the people in the U.S. Senate. When push comes to shove, most Republicans are against the nutty wall idea.
Ray, you cannot come to grips with the fact that a wall is a socialist solution looking for a problem to solve. When people show you instances when a wall does not work, you are complaining about how far back into history the other poster went to prove the point. Even going back to BIBLICAL times, walls have not been long term solutions for much of anything.
Those, such as yourself, like wailing about the damn wall, but cannot tell us a single problem you're really addressing. If those with a few IQ points show you what's wrong with the pretext you rely on, you want to move the goal posts.
I really wish you would quit blaming opposition to the wall on the Republicans. The only reason most of them are supporting idea is in the best interests of party unity so that other legislation does not get bogged down AND the fix is in. Once the wall is fully funded and Donnie gets his win, you can kiss that gun in your avatar good-bye.
For everything you gain there is something lost. Trump isn't God. He is playing the Art of the Deal. You're simply too ignorant to ask what the real cost - not in terms of dollars and cents, but in terms of legislation (legislation that will affect YOUR Liberties) does this nutty and INEFFECTIVE wall idea cost.
That's nutty? I say that anybody who equates a border wall with losing all freedoms is nutty.
Correct, there are many Republicans who don't want the wall. But they took note at what just happened the last presidential election. Like any other election, they all said basically the same thing: the jobs, the economy, our international interaction and so on. But only one person stood for what the American people want; one person who said "I'm going to build a wall." With zero experience in politics, not even so much as a job on a school board somewhere, people elected Donald Trump. He not only beat out the over dozen Republican contenders, he beat out a very well known career politician, the wife of a former President who was beloved by nearly everybody in the Democrat party.
There is nothing Socialist about a wall. If you have no secure border, you really don't have a country.
Two days ago even Rush Limbaugh admitted on the radio that you can have secure borders without a wall. So, not even those who agree with your advocacy of the wall agree that the border cannot be secured without it.
Dude, you need a life outside of that damn wall. You're working me to death making all those posts that are easily refuted.
The first people in modern times that started the current movement was former neo - nazi turned Klansman, David Duke in 1977 Research the subject "border Watch". Then came the so - called Minutemen headed up by Jim Gilchrist. Gilchrist had Chris Simcox to help him found the organization. Simcox was PROVEN to be a neo-nazi that recruited at nazi rallies. His best friend was neo - nazi J.T. Ready. Ready was filmed with Simcox at nazi rallies wailing about the border and the need for a wall. Ready would go on to commit a mass shooting and committing suicide. In addition, another of the major players in the founding of the advocacy of a wall was neo - nazi, Shawna Forde. Forde would later be convicted of a double murder at the border. National Socialists and socialists.
The FUNDING for the wall rhetoric and the pretexts was made possible from organizations like the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS), the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIRUS) and NumbersUSA. The founder and primary financial financier for those organizations was a pro-eugenics millionaire by the name of John Tanton. Tanton had previously developed the same talking points for David Duke.
In the early to mid 1990s Bill Clinton and the Democrats (and Democrats have a socialist view of politics) was advocating much of what Donald Trump advocates today. You need to get your head screwed on right.
Adding insult to injury, EVERY example you've cited in favor of a wall was where socialist / communist countries used and benefited off them with the only exceptions being with nations at war... and we are NOT at war with those from south of the border.
Finally, after the 2020 Census is taken, Congressional districts will be redrawn. If the Republicans do not regain the House in the next election cycle, the Democrats will redraw the lines so as to benefit the Democrats. Hate to tell you this, but Trump LOST the popular vote and if the Congressional lines are redrawn, you are looking at the END of the Republican party. So, once again, you better learn the facts and heed sound counsel:
ANY solution should be a permanent one that the Democrats are willing to live with going into 2020. But, even that point is irrelevant as the Democrats are playing the Tea Party Republicans. The trade off is that, in the Art of the Deal, your Second Amendment Rights were negotiated away for that silly wall.
When?
According to the CATO Institute...no liberal organization...the real cost is between 3 and 16 billion.Mr. Rockwell, I appreciate your concern and acknowledge your humanitarian side, but please read the rest of the watchdog's article of which I am quoting before you go too far down the road to letting sidewinders such easy access to the tax money we are presently paying if you have a few minutes:I don't like to live in a country of cowards cowering behind a wallA- Cost prohibitive
B- Won't work
C- It's racist
D- It would reduce those successfully crossing the border
E- None of the Above
The machine benefits by not having a wall. Business (Republicans) get their cheap labor and (Democrats) get the votes
You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours
There is no excuse for the Republicans not funding the wall.
-Geaux
Oh, that reverse psychology guilt trip thing again? You all tried that multiple times with gun discussions. When are you on the left going to realize that doesn't work? It's painfully transparent.
I've noticed that the pro-wall people are ALWAYS blaming the left for being against the nutty wall idea. The facts are that I am a Republican as are the majority of the people in the U.S. Senate. When push comes to shove, most Republicans are against the nutty wall idea.
Ray, you cannot come to grips with the fact that a wall is a socialist solution looking for a problem to solve. When people show you instances when a wall does not work, you are complaining about how far back into history the other poster went to prove the point. Even going back to BIBLICAL times, walls have not been long term solutions for much of anything.
Those, such as yourself, like wailing about the damn wall, but cannot tell us a single problem you're really addressing. If those with a few IQ points show you what's wrong with the pretext you rely on, you want to move the goal posts.
I really wish you would quit blaming opposition to the wall on the Republicans. The only reason most of them are supporting idea is in the best interests of party unity so that other legislation does not get bogged down AND the fix is in. Once the wall is fully funded and Donnie gets his win, you can kiss that gun in your avatar good-bye.
For everything you gain there is something lost. Trump isn't God. He is playing the Art of the Deal. You're simply too ignorant to ask what the real cost - not in terms of dollars and cents, but in terms of legislation (legislation that will affect YOUR Liberties) does this nutty and INEFFECTIVE wall idea cost.
Analysis: Illegal immigrants cost taxpayers $116 billion annually
With ongoing violent protests in favor of amnesty for illegal aliens, immigration reformer advocates point to exponential costs taxpayers already pay for illegal immigrants, and how much more taxpayers would spend if they were given amnesty.$116,000,000,000/ 300,000,000 = $387.00 for every man, woman, and child living in this country right now, and half of them either have no income or are living on welfare, student loans, off their parents, or whatever, which doubles the ante to $773.00 for everyone earning wages. Why do people who work within the poverty status having to pay a noncitizen to get free housing, free food, free education, free utilities, free telephones, and everything else?
According to the most recent analysis by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), one illegal immigrant living in America today costs U.S. citizen taxpayers about $8,075. In total, illegal aliens cost American taxpayers $116 billion annually.
FAIR researchers note the increasing costs of illegal immigration is a “disturbing and unsustainable trend.” Costs to taxpayers have risen by nearly $3 billion since 2013, when illegal aliens’ total cost to taxpayers was $113 billion, according to FAIR.
The rest of the story: Analysis: Illegal immigrants cost taxpayers $116 billion annually
And if the government fixes it and poverty status taxpayers don't see a rise in their taxes, that leaves working parents trying to raise a family that omission, which means, they're having to pay about $5,000 apiece for this anomaly rather than save that for a rainy day or give donations to libraries, churches, museums, and other charitable causes.
Maybe my math isn't 100% perfect, but it could be low ball if we're forgetting other things than watchdog.org has discovered. The math doesn't lie.
Edit: One hundred and sixteen billion a year is what we're paying
It is the government's business if the person you hire is not in the country legally.No, it is not the government's duty to warn you of a "potentially" dangerous person. It maybe governments duty to warn you of "known" dangerous person.
No, a person who is a criminal is potentially dangerous. The government is we the people. When the government sends somebody to jail, we the people sent them to jail. We have a right to know who our government sent to prison for our own protection.
So if a guy loses his job and doesn't pay child support is dangerous? A guy who has a beef with the tax authorities is dangerous? Only in Ray's world.
That's up to me and employers to decide, not you and not the government. I need to know who and what I'm dealing with to make a safe and sound decision.
Under our Constitution as originally written and intended you are finally RIGHT. That is precisely why it's not the government's business who a company does or does not offer a job to. It's not your freaking job; it belongs to the employer that created it.
No, it is not the government's duty to warn you of a "potentially" dangerous person. It maybe governments duty to warn you of "known" dangerous person.
No, a person who is a criminal is potentially dangerous. The government is we the people. When the government sends somebody to jail, we the people sent them to jail. We have a right to know who our government sent to prison for our own protection.
So if a guy loses his job and doesn't pay child support is dangerous? A guy who has a beef with the tax authorities is dangerous? Only in Ray's world.
That's up to me and employers to decide, not you and not the government. I need to know who and what I'm dealing with to make a safe and sound decision.
Under our Constitution as originally written and intended you are finally RIGHT. That is precisely why it's not the government's business who a company does or does not offer a job to. It's not your freaking job; it belongs to the employer that created it.
And yet you stand by an employees past being hidden from an employer so the employer doesn't know what kind of jeopardy he or she is putting their company in. Wonderful.
Sorry, turd, but you'll never convince me that you're a Republican. You walk like a Democrat, waddle like a Democrat and talk like a Democrat.I don't like to live in a country of cowards cowering behind a wall
Oh, that reverse psychology guilt trip thing again? You all tried that multiple times with gun discussions. When are you on the left going to realize that doesn't work? It's painfully transparent.
I've noticed that the pro-wall people are ALWAYS blaming the left for being against the nutty wall idea. The facts are that I am a Republican as are the majority of the people in the U.S. Senate. When push comes to shove, most Republicans are against the nutty wall idea.
Ray, you cannot come to grips with the fact that a wall is a socialist solution looking for a problem to solve. When people show you instances when a wall does not work, you are complaining about how far back into history the other poster went to prove the point. Even going back to BIBLICAL times, walls have not been long term solutions for much of anything.
Those, such as yourself, like wailing about the damn wall, but cannot tell us a single problem you're really addressing. If those with a few IQ points show you what's wrong with the pretext you rely on, you want to move the goal posts.
I really wish you would quit blaming opposition to the wall on the Republicans. The only reason most of them are supporting idea is in the best interests of party unity so that other legislation does not get bogged down AND the fix is in. Once the wall is fully funded and Donnie gets his win, you can kiss that gun in your avatar good-bye.
For everything you gain there is something lost. Trump isn't God. He is playing the Art of the Deal. You're simply too ignorant to ask what the real cost - not in terms of dollars and cents, but in terms of legislation (legislation that will affect YOUR Liberties) does this nutty and INEFFECTIVE wall idea cost.
When you stoop to name calling, it negates ANY argument you bring to the table. Furthermore, NO liberal has ever offered up ANY argument I've made on this subject. NO liberal has quote me; I've not quoted ANY liberal in support of my position. But, I can damn well cite a liberal arguing YOUR point of view:
Right. Isn't that the same guy who ran on welfare reform, and when it was finally introduced by THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS, he vetoed the bill twice? Isn't it the same guy who was forced to sign it because the Republicans introduced it a third time right before his reelection bid?
Sorry, turd, but you'll never convince me that you're a Republican. You walk like a Democrat, waddle like a Democrat and talk like a Democrat.I don't like to live in a country of cowards cowering behind a wall
Oh, that reverse psychology guilt trip thing again? You all tried that multiple times with gun discussions. When are you on the left going to realize that doesn't work? It's painfully transparent.
I've noticed that the pro-wall people are ALWAYS blaming the left for being against the nutty wall idea. The facts are that I am a Republican as are the majority of the people in the U.S. Senate. When push comes to shove, most Republicans are against the nutty wall idea.
Ray, you cannot come to grips with the fact that a wall is a socialist solution looking for a problem to solve. When people show you instances when a wall does not work, you are complaining about how far back into history the other poster went to prove the point. Even going back to BIBLICAL times, walls have not been long term solutions for much of anything.
Those, such as yourself, like wailing about the damn wall, but cannot tell us a single problem you're really addressing. If those with a few IQ points show you what's wrong with the pretext you rely on, you want to move the goal posts.
I really wish you would quit blaming opposition to the wall on the Republicans. The only reason most of them are supporting idea is in the best interests of party unity so that other legislation does not get bogged down AND the fix is in. Once the wall is fully funded and Donnie gets his win, you can kiss that gun in your avatar good-bye.
For everything you gain there is something lost. Trump isn't God. He is playing the Art of the Deal. You're simply too ignorant to ask what the real cost - not in terms of dollars and cents, but in terms of legislation (legislation that will affect YOUR Liberties) does this nutty and INEFFECTIVE wall idea cost.
When you stoop to name calling, it negates ANY argument you bring to the table. Furthermore, NO liberal has ever offered up ANY argument I've made on this subject. NO liberal has quote me; I've not quoted ANY liberal in support of my position. But, I can damn well cite a liberal arguing YOUR point of view:
Plenty of liberals have used the exact same arguments. There are no new arguments in this debate. Either your for the wall or you're against it. In the latter case, you lie to support your position. That's the bottom line.
It’s a waste of money . If the goal is to address illegal immigration, then that money is better spent in other ways .
More ins agents , more immigrantion courts , more judges . More enforcement vs companies who hire illegals . That’s a better use if the money .
How about we keep them from entering first, then we don’t have to risk agents lives. We also don’t need them destroying whatever is in their path, and needing to be supported. Not to mention the resources they use that should go to legal tax payers. Then there is the crime they commit. We also don’t need to tie up the court system with bullshit. They should also track down the visa violators, and send them back. Steel construction, and razor wire should do the trick. Like what they use to keep criminals in jail. We already have enough people who don’t contribute anything to society. Why do we need more. You seem to have quick fixes for everything dimmy. What have you done personally to address these issues, or assist they poor people?
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The solution to this problem is simple: anybody caught here illegally will be charged with a first degree felony. It carries a minimum of five years in prison. Then we wouldn't need a wall or even border security. If you want to see what 20 million people rushing to get out of a country would look like, pass a law like that and that's exactly what you'd see.
Let us put an end to this idiocy right now:
"As a general rule, it is not a crime for a removable alien to remain in the United States." Arizona v US
ARIZONA v. UNITED STATES
Like it or not the moment a foreigner's feet hit U.S. soil, they have constitutional rights as per the 14th Amendment.
Adding insult to injury, had the build the wall advocates kept their butts at home, the constitutionalists and patriots in favor of the Constitution had this under control and were winning the fight. That court case above - that decision is all on the build the wall advocates. They own it and now you choose to misrepresent it???
I understand the manipulation of the law. It still doesn’t make it right.
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You're talking to a woman who lived on the border growing up and knows the lay of the land. It belongs to the people who pioneered it, had loved ones die at the Alamo for it, and have been here for generations. I'm not impressed with your lack of humanity for American citizens. That is all.Mr. Rockwell, I appreciate your concern and acknowledge your humanitarian side, but please read the rest of the watchdog's article of which I am quoting before you go too far down the road to letting sidewinders such easy access to the tax money we are presently paying if you have a few minutes:I don't like to live in a country of cowards cowering behind a wallA- Cost prohibitive
B- Won't work
C- It's racist
D- It would reduce those successfully crossing the border
E- None of the Above
The machine benefits by not having a wall. Business (Republicans) get their cheap labor and (Democrats) get the votes
You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours
There is no excuse for the Republicans not funding the wall.
-Geaux
Oh, that reverse psychology guilt trip thing again? You all tried that multiple times with gun discussions. When are you on the left going to realize that doesn't work? It's painfully transparent.
I've noticed that the pro-wall people are ALWAYS blaming the left for being against the nutty wall idea. The facts are that I am a Republican as are the majority of the people in the U.S. Senate. When push comes to shove, most Republicans are against the nutty wall idea.
Ray, you cannot come to grips with the fact that a wall is a socialist solution looking for a problem to solve. When people show you instances when a wall does not work, you are complaining about how far back into history the other poster went to prove the point. Even going back to BIBLICAL times, walls have not been long term solutions for much of anything.
Those, such as yourself, like wailing about the damn wall, but cannot tell us a single problem you're really addressing. If those with a few IQ points show you what's wrong with the pretext you rely on, you want to move the goal posts.
I really wish you would quit blaming opposition to the wall on the Republicans. The only reason most of them are supporting idea is in the best interests of party unity so that other legislation does not get bogged down AND the fix is in. Once the wall is fully funded and Donnie gets his win, you can kiss that gun in your avatar good-bye.
For everything you gain there is something lost. Trump isn't God. He is playing the Art of the Deal. You're simply too ignorant to ask what the real cost - not in terms of dollars and cents, but in terms of legislation (legislation that will affect YOUR Liberties) does this nutty and INEFFECTIVE wall idea cost.
Analysis: Illegal immigrants cost taxpayers $116 billion annually
With ongoing violent protests in favor of amnesty for illegal aliens, immigration reformer advocates point to exponential costs taxpayers already pay for illegal immigrants, and how much more taxpayers would spend if they were given amnesty.$116,000,000,000/ 300,000,000 = $387.00 for every man, woman, and child living in this country right now, and half of them either have no income or are living on welfare, student loans, off their parents, or whatever, which doubles the ante to $773.00 for everyone earning wages. Why do people who work within the poverty status having to pay a noncitizen to get free housing, free food, free education, free utilities, free telephones, and everything else?
According to the most recent analysis by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), one illegal immigrant living in America today costs U.S. citizen taxpayers about $8,075. In total, illegal aliens cost American taxpayers $116 billion annually.
FAIR researchers note the increasing costs of illegal immigration is a “disturbing and unsustainable trend.” Costs to taxpayers have risen by nearly $3 billion since 2013, when illegal aliens’ total cost to taxpayers was $113 billion, according to FAIR.
The rest of the story: Analysis: Illegal immigrants cost taxpayers $116 billion annually
And if the government fixes it and poverty status taxpayers don't see a rise in their taxes, that leaves working parents trying to raise a family that omission, which means, they're having to pay about $5,000 apiece for this anomaly rather than save that for a rainy day or give donations to libraries, churches, museums, and other charitable causes.
Maybe my math isn't 100% perfect, but it could be low ball if we're forgetting other things than watchdog.org has discovered. The math doesn't lie.
Edit: One hundred and sixteen billion a year is what we're paying
I don't play to the humanitarian side. I've already exposed WHO the organizations you cite really are. A mind is like a parachute. It only operates when it's open.
The build the wall advocates make an idiotic claim about how much so called illegal aliens "cost," but they NEVER examine the other side of the ledger in order to understand why they are here. The reason I call their method idiotic is that it is BLATANTLY dishonest as if the rest of society is too stupid to examine the three most important facts:
1) As much as it makes Tea Party Republicans cringe, there are two sides of an accounting ledger and the supposed facts you cite do not figure in how much foreign labor contributes and how much wealth they create
2) The people on this thread, advocating for the wall, fight tooth and nail against the effort to rehabilitate those who are disenfranchised and get them working so that there is less demand for foreign labor
3) Tea Party Republicans want to keep a segment of their own people locked out of society and then blame the people that take the jobs Americans CANNOT take due to double minded people that want to keep some Americans from getting a job AND denying employers their unalienable Right to hire the person they want to hire for the job.
The point is, Ray, you have admitted that ADD / ADHD are not real conditions - you know conditions where people need to be on drugs. You have admitted that, sir.
What you cannot see is that whether you do or do not, the public should NOT have access to your records because they cannot properly evaluate them.
In order to end this argument, I'll offer you an idea. If you want to hire someone, rent to them, etc. then since you trust the government so much why not submit the application along with the reason and let them just say they recommend that you hire them, rent to them, or you don't.
Because government doesn't make my decisions for me. I make my own decisions, and I make those decisions based on the information I have. One landlord might want to rent to an ex-con. I don't. I've had experience doing that and I base my future decisions on past experiences.
It's obvious that the government don't make your decisions for you. Rush Limbaugh does that. But, you clearly WISH that the government would be your personal Santa Claus.
Asking that government not hide information from me that could cause me harm either physically or financially is not Santa Clause. It's asking government to do it's job by protecting us from enemies foreign and domestic.
In 2005, a news article reported this:
"WASHINGTON, June 27 - The Supreme Court ruled on Monday that the police did not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm..."
Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone
You are FACTUALLY wrong again.
Another article quoted the above, but the United States Supreme Court is still ruling all the time on this question. A more recent article states this:
"However, did you know that the government, and specifically law enforcement, does not have any duty to protect the general public? Based on the headline and this information, you might assume this is a new, landmark decision. However, it has long been the court’s stance that, essentially, the American people are responsible for taking case of their own personal safety."
https://tribunist.com/news/supreme-court-ruling-police-have-no-duty-to-protect-the-general-public/
The government has NO duty to you as an individual when your personal safety is the issue.
And the government has no right to restrict information from me that may lead to physical harm or property damage. Public record should remain just that--public.
In spite of the devil whispering in your ear, I'm in favor of protecting law abiding citizens. You are for protection of the criminal element.
Building the Wall may seem expensive, but it's not as expensive as the $116,000,000,000 tab for accommodating the kind of traffic we have at the southern border.
One other thing: Mexico never settled this country. It was replete with native American tribes that fought tooth and nail with Mexican pisanos, and they beat them back to the southlands. A few were able to live in peace here, but not many. The Indians had no intention of sharing their hunting grounds with Mexican dictators like Santa Ana.He slaughtered them the same as he slaughtered Davy Crockett, James Bowie, and others at the Alamo in that 400 to 1 fight. In turn, the Mexican government has marginalized this nation by propaganda that they owned bordering states before the Battle of San Jacinto. That was all a huge crock.
The plan they have is this: take over the border states by overpopulating it with Latinos, then take it by vote out of the Union.
The Wall is just the ounce of prevention that will preclude the pound of cure that a war would be to take back Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, and possibly Colorado, considering how many of the illegals wind up in the Denver area.
The other problem we have is the blindness to this reality created by the thought that our good will can override Chicano greed for land that isn't theirs and never was.
we have a refugee problem not a common defense problem.I don't like to live in a country of cowards cowering behind a wall
You you won't even HAVE a country without strong defensible borders which includes a wall.
People who illegally crash our border are NOT refugees they are ILLEGAL ALIENS!! A refugee is NOT a refugee until identified as so by our border authorities. How can you be so ignorant?
You have it backwards, they are refugees unless and until a court of competent jurisdiction declares otherwise. People seeking asylum are ALLOWED to legally crash the borders in an effort to ask for asylum. What is wrong about what is happening at the border is the Trump Administration's bald faced attempt to prevent refugees from crossing into the USA to make that asylum claim. And then incarcerating those who claim asylum until their cases are heard.
What Trump is doing, is limiting how many people the system will process in a day, allowing a huge waiting list to accumulate in order to discourage those seeking to get in. This is both illegal and inhumane, and therein lies the problem. People don't have the resources to wait for months to claim asylum and the Trump Administration is gambling they will quit and leave, or even better, that conditions in the camps will get so bad that violence breaks out. Violence would be the fulfillment of all of your fears.
Trump and his acolytes has consistently attempted to de-humanize immigrants and asylum seekers. Just reading your post you've bought into this nazi bullshit wholeheartedly. If they're not really human, it doesn't matter what we do to them does it. Tear gas their children, let them go into convulsions without medical treatment and die, separate the parents from their children with no care or consideration for returning them to their families. Teaching an entire generation of Central Americans to hate the USA for turning their backs on them.
Immigrants are not "aliens", they are human beings, just like you and I. When you refer to refugees and asylum seekers as an "invasion", an "infestation", "alien", or "animals", it is YOU who are revealed to be subhuman, and unworthy of any consideration whatsoever.
As a purportedly Christian nation, I would remind you of the words of Jesus "That which you have done to the least among you, you have done to me!". If the barefoot and poor Jesus Christ had walked out of the desert and asked for asylum, you would turn Him away too.
I don't think Jesus would be lying about his asylum claim as most of the asylum seekers do. I don't think Jesus would throw rocks at our border agents or break down a temporary wall to enter illegally.
Yes, the worse you treat these people, the less will come. There were supposed to be tens of thousands more joining this current caravan. Where are they? Where did they go?
It's working. Finally, a President who is doing things that actually work. If you don't want to sit around for years picking your nose, if you don't want to be separated from your supposed children, if you don't want to be detained, then STF in your own country. Don't come here. Problem solved.
You're talking to a woman who lived on the border growing up and knows the lay of the land. It belongs to the people who pioneered it, had loved ones die at the Alamo for it, and have been here for generations. I'm not impressed with your lack of humanity for American citizens. That is all.Mr. Rockwell, I appreciate your concern and acknowledge your humanitarian side, but please read the rest of the watchdog's article of which I am quoting before you go too far down the road to letting sidewinders such easy access to the tax money we are presently paying if you have a few minutes:I don't like to live in a country of cowards cowering behind a wall
Oh, that reverse psychology guilt trip thing again? You all tried that multiple times with gun discussions. When are you on the left going to realize that doesn't work? It's painfully transparent.
I've noticed that the pro-wall people are ALWAYS blaming the left for being against the nutty wall idea. The facts are that I am a Republican as are the majority of the people in the U.S. Senate. When push comes to shove, most Republicans are against the nutty wall idea.
Ray, you cannot come to grips with the fact that a wall is a socialist solution looking for a problem to solve. When people show you instances when a wall does not work, you are complaining about how far back into history the other poster went to prove the point. Even going back to BIBLICAL times, walls have not been long term solutions for much of anything.
Those, such as yourself, like wailing about the damn wall, but cannot tell us a single problem you're really addressing. If those with a few IQ points show you what's wrong with the pretext you rely on, you want to move the goal posts.
I really wish you would quit blaming opposition to the wall on the Republicans. The only reason most of them are supporting idea is in the best interests of party unity so that other legislation does not get bogged down AND the fix is in. Once the wall is fully funded and Donnie gets his win, you can kiss that gun in your avatar good-bye.
For everything you gain there is something lost. Trump isn't God. He is playing the Art of the Deal. You're simply too ignorant to ask what the real cost - not in terms of dollars and cents, but in terms of legislation (legislation that will affect YOUR Liberties) does this nutty and INEFFECTIVE wall idea cost.
Analysis: Illegal immigrants cost taxpayers $116 billion annually
With ongoing violent protests in favor of amnesty for illegal aliens, immigration reformer advocates point to exponential costs taxpayers already pay for illegal immigrants, and how much more taxpayers would spend if they were given amnesty.$116,000,000,000/ 300,000,000 = $387.00 for every man, woman, and child living in this country right now, and half of them either have no income or are living on welfare, student loans, off their parents, or whatever, which doubles the ante to $773.00 for everyone earning wages. Why do people who work within the poverty status having to pay a noncitizen to get free housing, free food, free education, free utilities, free telephones, and everything else?
According to the most recent analysis by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), one illegal immigrant living in America today costs U.S. citizen taxpayers about $8,075. In total, illegal aliens cost American taxpayers $116 billion annually.
FAIR researchers note the increasing costs of illegal immigration is a “disturbing and unsustainable trend.” Costs to taxpayers have risen by nearly $3 billion since 2013, when illegal aliens’ total cost to taxpayers was $113 billion, according to FAIR.
The rest of the story: Analysis: Illegal immigrants cost taxpayers $116 billion annually
And if the government fixes it and poverty status taxpayers don't see a rise in their taxes, that leaves working parents trying to raise a family that omission, which means, they're having to pay about $5,000 apiece for this anomaly rather than save that for a rainy day or give donations to libraries, churches, museums, and other charitable causes.
Maybe my math isn't 100% perfect, but it could be low ball if we're forgetting other things than watchdog.org has discovered. The math doesn't lie.
Edit: One hundred and sixteen billion a year is what we're paying
I don't play to the humanitarian side. I've already exposed WHO the organizations you cite really are. A mind is like a parachute. It only operates when it's open.
The build the wall advocates make an idiotic claim about how much so called illegal aliens "cost," but they NEVER examine the other side of the ledger in order to understand why they are here. The reason I call their method idiotic is that it is BLATANTLY dishonest as if the rest of society is too stupid to examine the three most important facts:
1) As much as it makes Tea Party Republicans cringe, there are two sides of an accounting ledger and the supposed facts you cite do not figure in how much foreign labor contributes and how much wealth they create
2) The people on this thread, advocating for the wall, fight tooth and nail against the effort to rehabilitate those who are disenfranchised and get them working so that there is less demand for foreign labor
3) Tea Party Republicans want to keep a segment of their own people locked out of society and then blame the people that take the jobs Americans CANNOT take due to double minded people that want to keep some Americans from getting a job AND denying employers their unalienable Right to hire the person they want to hire for the job.
Sorry, turd, but you'll never convince me that you're a Republican. You walk like a Democrat, waddle like a Democrat and talk like a Democrat.I don't like to live in a country of cowards cowering behind a wallA- Cost prohibitive
B- Won't work
C- It's racist
D- It would reduce those successfully crossing the border
E- None of the Above
The machine benefits by not having a wall. Business (Republicans) get their cheap labor and (Democrats) get the votes
You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours
There is no excuse for the Republicans not funding the wall.
-Geaux
Oh, that reverse psychology guilt trip thing again? You all tried that multiple times with gun discussions. When are you on the left going to realize that doesn't work? It's painfully transparent.
I've noticed that the pro-wall people are ALWAYS blaming the left for being against the nutty wall idea. The facts are that I am a Republican as are the majority of the people in the U.S. Senate. When push comes to shove, most Republicans are against the nutty wall idea.
Ray, you cannot come to grips with the fact that a wall is a socialist solution looking for a problem to solve. When people show you instances when a wall does not work, you are complaining about how far back into history the other poster went to prove the point. Even going back to BIBLICAL times, walls have not been long term solutions for much of anything.
Those, such as yourself, like wailing about the damn wall, but cannot tell us a single problem you're really addressing. If those with a few IQ points show you what's wrong with the pretext you rely on, you want to move the goal posts.
I really wish you would quit blaming opposition to the wall on the Republicans. The only reason most of them are supporting idea is in the best interests of party unity so that other legislation does not get bogged down AND the fix is in. Once the wall is fully funded and Donnie gets his win, you can kiss that gun in your avatar good-bye.
For everything you gain there is something lost. Trump isn't God. He is playing the Art of the Deal. You're simply too ignorant to ask what the real cost - not in terms of dollars and cents, but in terms of legislation (legislation that will affect YOUR Liberties) does this nutty and INEFFECTIVE wall idea cost.
When you stoop to having to call people names you negate your own argument. The facts are that NO liberal has EVER quoted me. I have NEVER quoted a liberal in support of my position. The liberals have never made the same argument I have...but, they've damn well argued the points you make here on a daily basis:
Even if they are "rehabilitated," they are still going to take a job that would otherwise go to a native born American. The are also going to create downward pressure on wages since they are will to work for a much lower wage than most Americans.Mr. Rockwell, I appreciate your concern and acknowledge your humanitarian side, but please read the rest of the watchdog's article of which I am quoting before you go too far down the road to letting sidewinders such easy access to the tax money we are presently paying if you have a few minutes:I don't like to live in a country of cowards cowering behind a wallA- Cost prohibitive
B- Won't work
C- It's racist
D- It would reduce those successfully crossing the border
E- None of the Above
The machine benefits by not having a wall. Business (Republicans) get their cheap labor and (Democrats) get the votes
You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours
There is no excuse for the Republicans not funding the wall.
-Geaux
Oh, that reverse psychology guilt trip thing again? You all tried that multiple times with gun discussions. When are you on the left going to realize that doesn't work? It's painfully transparent.
I've noticed that the pro-wall people are ALWAYS blaming the left for being against the nutty wall idea. The facts are that I am a Republican as are the majority of the people in the U.S. Senate. When push comes to shove, most Republicans are against the nutty wall idea.
Ray, you cannot come to grips with the fact that a wall is a socialist solution looking for a problem to solve. When people show you instances when a wall does not work, you are complaining about how far back into history the other poster went to prove the point. Even going back to BIBLICAL times, walls have not been long term solutions for much of anything.
Those, such as yourself, like wailing about the damn wall, but cannot tell us a single problem you're really addressing. If those with a few IQ points show you what's wrong with the pretext you rely on, you want to move the goal posts.
I really wish you would quit blaming opposition to the wall on the Republicans. The only reason most of them are supporting idea is in the best interests of party unity so that other legislation does not get bogged down AND the fix is in. Once the wall is fully funded and Donnie gets his win, you can kiss that gun in your avatar good-bye.
For everything you gain there is something lost. Trump isn't God. He is playing the Art of the Deal. You're simply too ignorant to ask what the real cost - not in terms of dollars and cents, but in terms of legislation (legislation that will affect YOUR Liberties) does this nutty and INEFFECTIVE wall idea cost.
Analysis: Illegal immigrants cost taxpayers $116 billion annually
With ongoing violent protests in favor of amnesty for illegal aliens, immigration reformer advocates point to exponential costs taxpayers already pay for illegal immigrants, and how much more taxpayers would spend if they were given amnesty.$116,000,000,000/ 300,000,000 = $387.00 for every man, woman, and child living in this country right now, and half of them either have no income or are living on welfare, student loans, off their parents, or whatever, which doubles the ante to $773.00 for everyone earning wages. Why do people who work within the poverty status having to pay a noncitizen to get free housing, free food, free education, free utilities, free telephones, and everything else?
According to the most recent analysis by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), one illegal immigrant living in America today costs U.S. citizen taxpayers about $8,075. In total, illegal aliens cost American taxpayers $116 billion annually.
FAIR researchers note the increasing costs of illegal immigration is a “disturbing and unsustainable trend.” Costs to taxpayers have risen by nearly $3 billion since 2013, when illegal aliens’ total cost to taxpayers was $113 billion, according to FAIR.
The rest of the story: Analysis: Illegal immigrants cost taxpayers $116 billion annually
And if the government fixes it and poverty status taxpayers don't see a rise in their taxes, that leaves working parents trying to raise a family that omission, which means, they're having to pay about $5,000 apiece for this anomaly rather than save that for a rainy day or give donations to libraries, churches, museums, and other charitable causes.
Maybe my math isn't 100% perfect, but it could be low ball if we're forgetting other things than watchdog.org has discovered. The math doesn't lie.
Edit: One hundred and sixteen billion a year is what we're paying
I don't play to the humanitarian side. I've already exposed WHO the organizations you cite really are. A mind is like a parachute. It only operates when it's open.
The build the wall advocates make an idiotic claim about how much so called illegal aliens "cost," but they NEVER examine the other side of the ledger in order to understand why they are here. The reason I call their method idiotic is that it is BLATANTLY dishonest as if the rest of society is too stupid to examine the three most important facts:
1) As much as it makes Tea Party Republicans cringe, there are two sides of an accounting ledger and the supposed facts you cite do not figure in how much foreign labor contributes and how much wealth they create
2) The people on this thread, advocating for the wall, fight tooth and nail against the effort to rehabilitate those who are disenfranchised and get them working so that there is less demand for foreign labor
3) Tea Party Republicans want to keep a segment of their own people locked out of society and then blame the people that take the jobs Americans CANNOT take due to double minded people that want to keep some Americans from getting a job AND denying employers their unalienable Right to hire the person they want to hire for the job.
I don't need to read every post you wrote to know where I stand on the Wall. It's right. It's appropriate. It prevents drug and criminal elements, and I'll fight tooth and nail over it because I lived on the border as a young person, and I have an absolutely perfect understanding of what is going on down there. You're the one who doesn't know anything about the people invading this country. Did you pay attention to the ones who were going to sue us for keeping them out? Ten years ago minute men guarded that border with the guns out of their home to discourage them from coming over here until the wall was built in some areas.You're talking to a woman who lived on the border growing up and knows the lay of the land. It belongs to the people who pioneered it, had loved ones die at the Alamo for it, and have been here for generations. I'm not impressed with your lack of humanity for American citizens. That is all.Mr. Rockwell, I appreciate your concern and acknowledge your humanitarian side, but please read the rest of the watchdog's article of which I am quoting before you go too far down the road to letting sidewinders such easy access to the tax money we are presently paying if you have a few minutes:Oh, that reverse psychology guilt trip thing again? You all tried that multiple times with gun discussions. When are you on the left going to realize that doesn't work? It's painfully transparent.
I've noticed that the pro-wall people are ALWAYS blaming the left for being against the nutty wall idea. The facts are that I am a Republican as are the majority of the people in the U.S. Senate. When push comes to shove, most Republicans are against the nutty wall idea.
Ray, you cannot come to grips with the fact that a wall is a socialist solution looking for a problem to solve. When people show you instances when a wall does not work, you are complaining about how far back into history the other poster went to prove the point. Even going back to BIBLICAL times, walls have not been long term solutions for much of anything.
Those, such as yourself, like wailing about the damn wall, but cannot tell us a single problem you're really addressing. If those with a few IQ points show you what's wrong with the pretext you rely on, you want to move the goal posts.
I really wish you would quit blaming opposition to the wall on the Republicans. The only reason most of them are supporting idea is in the best interests of party unity so that other legislation does not get bogged down AND the fix is in. Once the wall is fully funded and Donnie gets his win, you can kiss that gun in your avatar good-bye.
For everything you gain there is something lost. Trump isn't God. He is playing the Art of the Deal. You're simply too ignorant to ask what the real cost - not in terms of dollars and cents, but in terms of legislation (legislation that will affect YOUR Liberties) does this nutty and INEFFECTIVE wall idea cost.
Analysis: Illegal immigrants cost taxpayers $116 billion annually
With ongoing violent protests in favor of amnesty for illegal aliens, immigration reformer advocates point to exponential costs taxpayers already pay for illegal immigrants, and how much more taxpayers would spend if they were given amnesty.$116,000,000,000/ 300,000,000 = $387.00 for every man, woman, and child living in this country right now, and half of them either have no income or are living on welfare, student loans, off their parents, or whatever, which doubles the ante to $773.00 for everyone earning wages. Why do people who work within the poverty status having to pay a noncitizen to get free housing, free food, free education, free utilities, free telephones, and everything else?
According to the most recent analysis by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), one illegal immigrant living in America today costs U.S. citizen taxpayers about $8,075. In total, illegal aliens cost American taxpayers $116 billion annually.
FAIR researchers note the increasing costs of illegal immigration is a “disturbing and unsustainable trend.” Costs to taxpayers have risen by nearly $3 billion since 2013, when illegal aliens’ total cost to taxpayers was $113 billion, according to FAIR.
The rest of the story: Analysis: Illegal immigrants cost taxpayers $116 billion annually
And if the government fixes it and poverty status taxpayers don't see a rise in their taxes, that leaves working parents trying to raise a family that omission, which means, they're having to pay about $5,000 apiece for this anomaly rather than save that for a rainy day or give donations to libraries, churches, museums, and other charitable causes.
Maybe my math isn't 100% perfect, but it could be low ball if we're forgetting other things than watchdog.org has discovered. The math doesn't lie.
Edit: One hundred and sixteen billion a year is what we're paying
I don't play to the humanitarian side. I've already exposed WHO the organizations you cite really are. A mind is like a parachute. It only operates when it's open.
The build the wall advocates make an idiotic claim about how much so called illegal aliens "cost," but they NEVER examine the other side of the ledger in order to understand why they are here. The reason I call their method idiotic is that it is BLATANTLY dishonest as if the rest of society is too stupid to examine the three most important facts:
1) As much as it makes Tea Party Republicans cringe, there are two sides of an accounting ledger and the supposed facts you cite do not figure in how much foreign labor contributes and how much wealth they create
2) The people on this thread, advocating for the wall, fight tooth and nail against the effort to rehabilitate those who are disenfranchised and get them working so that there is less demand for foreign labor
3) Tea Party Republicans want to keep a segment of their own people locked out of society and then blame the people that take the jobs Americans CANNOT take due to double minded people that want to keep some Americans from getting a job AND denying employers their unalienable Right to hire the person they want to hire for the job.
Again, did you bother to even READ this thread? Your insult shows a lack of honesty and understanding.
The people YOU SUPPORT hate the American citizenry and do not want them to be put back into the work-force.
If you want to look like you know what you're talking about you should read the thread or, if you're too lazy, ask questions before making ignorant assumptions.
Most asylum seekers are not lying. But of course you think they are because . . .?
More people are coming regardless of how you treat them because they HAVE NO OTHER OPTIONS. Their countries have been taken over by American narco-terrorists gangs. As long as you do nothing about the narco terrorists, refugees will continue to come.
There weren't tens of thousands joining the caravan. That would be another lie from FOX and Trump, ginning up support from fools like you
