Why is Building the Wall Wrong?

[Ray From Cleveland]

It’s a waste of money . If the goal is to address illegal immigration, then that money is better spent in other ways .

More ins agents , more immigrantion courts , more judges . More enforcement vs companies who hire illegals . That’s a better use if the money .

Spend the money on ridding these central American drug cartels of their chokehold on innocent citizens.
These migrants DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THEIR HOMES.
Nobody wants to be driven away from their homeland.
But if their lives are at risk, they are going to try.

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It has nothing to do with their lives being at risk. It has to do with them not wanting to fight to make their country a better place. It's easier just to move to higher ground if possible. if their country was so bad, WTF are they having children?

Show your American ignorance. You've probably never been to Central America. I lived in the Frontera/Baja of Mexico for a year north of Cabo, and I've never seen such poverty. And we were not under threat by the cartels. Saw plenty of human misery in Lima, Peru, too. So I can't imagine how bad it is in places like Honduras.

You deny the drug cartels exist then you're even dumber than I thought.

And you'd probably be the last to keep your pecker in your pants, too. So don't even go there about why they are having children, you fucking dolt.
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I live in a free country where children would be raised in an excellent environment and I didn't have any children for financial reasons. Know why? BECAUSE I'M A RESPONSIBLE PERSON! To the point, these people are not responsible in any way or form.

WTF needs more irresponsible people here? We have enough of them already. We call them Democrats.

Did you claim you kids on your taxes ?

Comprehension problems I see.

 

[Timmy]

No far from it. Some very bad people come across but by and large they have been a beneficial influence to the nation.

Yeah, it's so beneficial for people to come here and turn us into a bilingual country and more than half end up on our welfare programs.

Illegals aren’t entitled to welfare.

What other lies you spinning today?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Moron leftists say a wall wont stop them all. There is truth in that BUT just ask them this...

If you had to play Russian Roulette would you rather have 1 bullet in the revolver or 5?

And righies say gun control won't stop them all.

What's your point?

No, what we said is disarming law abiding citizens will only empower the criminal.

No, it's not.

Yes, it is. When you disarm the general public, criminals will not obey any new gun laws. Therefore what you end up with is a society where only the police and criminals have guns and nobody else does. That's been our argument all along.

Where are people banning guns ? Typical gun nut lies .

It's a Democrat wet dream; to ban guns and disarm society. They can't because we have a Constitution, but in select places across the country, they are trying to get as close as they can.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No far from it. Some very bad people come across but by and large they have been a beneficial influence to the nation.

Yeah, it's so beneficial for people to come here and turn us into a bilingual country and more than half end up on our welfare programs.

Illegals aren’t entitled to welfare.

What other lies you spinning today?

Their children are which they can use for themselves as well. And over half of the legal immigrants in the USA are on some sort of welfare program. CLOSE THE BORDER!

 

[Timmy]

Spend the money on ridding these central American drug cartels of their chokehold on innocent citizens.
These migrants DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THEIR HOMES.
Nobody wants to be driven away from their homeland.
But if their lives are at risk, they are going to try.

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It has nothing to do with their lives being at risk. It has to do with them not wanting to fight to make their country a better place. It's easier just to move to higher ground if possible. if their country was so bad, WTF are they having children?

Show your American ignorance. You've probably never been to Central America. I lived in the Frontera/Baja of Mexico for a year north of Cabo, and I've never seen such poverty. And we were not under threat by the cartels. Saw plenty of human misery in Lima, Peru, too. So I can't imagine how bad it is in places like Honduras.

You deny the drug cartels exist then you're even dumber than I thought.

And you'd probably be the last to keep your pecker in your pants, too. So don't even go there about why they are having children, you fucking dolt.
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I live in a free country where children would be raised in an excellent environment and I didn't have any children for financial reasons. Know why? BECAUSE I'M A RESPONSIBLE PERSON! To the point, these people are not responsible in any way or form.

WTF needs more irresponsible people here? We have enough of them already. We call them Democrats.

Did you claim you kids on your taxes ?

Comprehension problems I see.

You didn’t answer the question . I’m guessing you did use the kids for tax breaks .

 

[Timmy]

No far from it. Some very bad people come across but by and large they have been a beneficial influence to the nation.

Yeah, it's so beneficial for people to come here and turn us into a bilingual country and more than half end up on our welfare programs.

Illegals aren’t entitled to welfare.

What other lies you spinning today?

Their children are which they can use for themselves as well. And over half of the legal immigrants in the USA are on some sort of welfare program. CLOSE THE BORDER!

Bullshit spin. Immigrants aren’t entitled to welfare . Thats part of immigration . You have a sponsor who’s responsible for you .

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It has nothing to do with their lives being at risk. It has to do with them not wanting to fight to make their country a better place. It's easier just to move to higher ground if possible. if their country was so bad, WTF are they having children?

Show your American ignorance. You've probably never been to Central America. I lived in the Frontera/Baja of Mexico for a year north of Cabo, and I've never seen such poverty. And we were not under threat by the cartels. Saw plenty of human misery in Lima, Peru, too. So I can't imagine how bad it is in places like Honduras.

You deny the drug cartels exist then you're even dumber than I thought.

And you'd probably be the last to keep your pecker in your pants, too. So don't even go there about why they are having children, you fucking dolt.
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I live in a free country where children would be raised in an excellent environment and I didn't have any children for financial reasons. Know why? BECAUSE I'M A RESPONSIBLE PERSON! To the point, these people are not responsible in any way or form.

WTF needs more irresponsible people here? We have enough of them already. We call them Democrats.

Did you claim you kids on your taxes ?

Comprehension problems I see.

You didn’t answer the question . I’m guessing you did use the kids for tax breaks .

And I'm guessing you don't have the comprehension skills of a third grader. Read it again, especially the sentence where I stated I HAVE NO CHILDREN!!!

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No far from it. Some very bad people come across but by and large they have been a beneficial influence to the nation.

Yeah, it's so beneficial for people to come here and turn us into a bilingual country and more than half end up on our welfare programs.

Illegals aren’t entitled to welfare.

What other lies you spinning today?

Their children are which they can use for themselves as well. And over half of the legal immigrants in the USA are on some sort of welfare program. CLOSE THE BORDER!

Bullshit spin. Immigrants aren’t entitled to welfare . Thats part of immigration . You have a sponsor who’s responsible for you .

Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children

 

[Timmy]

And righies say gun control won't stop them all.

What's your point?

No, what we said is disarming law abiding citizens will only empower the criminal.

No, it's not.

Yes, it is. When you disarm the general public, criminals will not obey any new gun laws. Therefore what you end up with is a society where only the police and criminals have guns and nobody else does. That's been our argument all along.

Where are people banning guns ? Typical gun nut lies .

It's a Democrat wet dream; to ban guns and disarm society. They can't because we have a Constitution, but in select places across the country, they are trying to get as close as they can.

Gun control is not = banning all guns .

How about I go around saying “gun nuts want firearms available out if vending machines”. Is that what you want ?

 

[Timmy]

No far from it. Some very bad people come across but by and large they have been a beneficial influence to the nation.

Yeah, it's so beneficial for people to come here and turn us into a bilingual country and more than half end up on our welfare programs.

Illegals aren’t entitled to welfare.

What other lies you spinning today?

Their children are which they can use for themselves as well. And over half of the legal immigrants in the USA are on some sort of welfare program. CLOSE THE BORDER!

Bullshit spin. Immigrants aren’t entitled to welfare . Thats part of immigration . You have a sponsor who’s responsible for you .

Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children

Medicare? Yeah cause no one can really get health insurance . That goes for millions .

And this from your link:

• Illegal immigrant households with children primarily use food assistance and Medicaid, making almost no use of cash or housing assistance. In contrast, legal immigrant households tend to have relatively high use rates for every type of program.
  

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yeah, it's so beneficial for people to come here and turn us into a bilingual country and more than half end up on our welfare programs.

Illegals aren’t entitled to welfare.

What other lies you spinning today?

Their children are which they can use for themselves as well. And over half of the legal immigrants in the USA are on some sort of welfare program. CLOSE THE BORDER!

Bullshit spin. Immigrants aren’t entitled to welfare . Thats part of immigration . You have a sponsor who’s responsible for you .

Welfare Use by Immigrant Households with Children

Medicare? Yeah cause no one can really get health insurance . That goes for millions .

And this from your link:

• Illegal immigrant households with children primarily use food assistance and Medicaid, making almost no use of cash or housing assistance. In contrast, legal immigrant households tend to have relatively high use rates for every type of program.
  

So? Do you have a point behind that paste? Because we have native born Americans that can't even get Medicaid, and these people come here and get their problems taken care of by the American taxpayers.

 

[Kondor3]

What is so silly is the reich totally ignores the largest immigration problem is expired visa's. There are more of them than people crossing without permission or documentation.

"The reich"?

Blow it out your tailpipe, Tvaritch !

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No, what we said is disarming law abiding citizens will only empower the criminal.

No, it's not.

Yes, it is. When you disarm the general public, criminals will not obey any new gun laws. Therefore what you end up with is a society where only the police and criminals have guns and nobody else does. That's been our argument all along.

Where are people banning guns ? Typical gun nut lies .

It's a Democrat wet dream; to ban guns and disarm society. They can't because we have a Constitution, but in select places across the country, they are trying to get as close as they can.

Gun control is not = banning all guns .

How about I go around saying “gun nuts want firearms available out if vending machines”. Is that what you want ?

Again, Democrats can't ban all guns because of the Constitution, and the judges Trump brilliantly put in place. It will never happen. But if Democrats could, they would. Gun control is only one more step towards their goal.

 

[candycorn]

Trumpanzees seem to forget about boats. I have a brother who lives north of San Diego and he said many come in by sea in the dead of night.
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Yeah, so because the wall can only stop 40-80%, what the hell, why stop any of them. Dumbass.

Good question. We've had an unparalelled expansion of our economy (which was already the world's strongest) when immigration (illegal and otherwise) really got going, we've had comparatively few problems with illegals compared to natives, and a great amount of non citizens have served with honor in our military service.

We can't have open borders but this jihad you guys have launched against brown people is really stupid.

Sure...they're all valedictorians.

No far from it. Some very bad people come across but by and large they have been a beneficial influence to the nation.

By and large? So what percentage of "by and large" would not being beneficial be acceptable?

Well, the way I look at it is this; how many illegals do you think are here? 10M? 15M? 20M? Lets say 10M. The overwhelming majority buy things that creates sales tax revenue which stays in the states where it is spent. . The sales tax receipts--depending on how many you think are here--are equal to the population of many states. Michigan has 9 million people...so we're talking about the sales tax revenue generated by the State of Michigan. That is a sizable impact in real dollars spread across a great many states.

We can't have open borders. That is a no-brainer. And the ones we do allow into the nation officially need to have a much more stringent screening process. But the fallacy that all these folks do is take and give nothing back is flat out wrong.

 

[candycorn]

No far from it. Some very bad people come across but by and large they have been a beneficial influence to the nation.

Yeah, it's so beneficial for people to come here and turn us into a bilingual country and more than half end up on our welfare programs.

More fear.

 

[Thinker101]

Yeah, so because the wall can only stop 40-80%, what the hell, why stop any of them. Dumbass.

Good question. We've had an unparalelled expansion of our economy (which was already the world's strongest) when immigration (illegal and otherwise) really got going, we've had comparatively few problems with illegals compared to natives, and a great amount of non citizens have served with honor in our military service.

We can't have open borders but this jihad you guys have launched against brown people is really stupid.

Sure...they're all valedictorians.

No far from it. Some very bad people come across but by and large they have been a beneficial influence to the nation.

By and large? So what percentage of "by and large" would not being beneficial be acceptable?

Well, the way I look at it is this; how many illegals do you think are here? 10M? 15M? 20M? Lets say 10M. The overwhelming majority buy things that creates sales tax revenue which stays in the states where it is spent. . The sales tax receipts--depending on how many you think are here--are equal to the population of many states. Michigan has 9 million people...so we're talking about the sales tax revenue generated by the State of Michigan. That is a sizable impact in real dollars spread across a great many states.

We can't have open borders. That is a no-brainer. And the ones we do allow into the nation officially need to have a much more stringent screening process. But the fallacy that all these folks do is take and give nothing back is flat out wrong.

Wouldn't it be nice if the rest of us only paid sales tax.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No far from it. Some very bad people come across but by and large they have been a beneficial influence to the nation.

Yeah, it's so beneficial for people to come here and turn us into a bilingual country and more than half end up on our welfare programs.

More fear.

More truth. Something the left really hates.

 

[candycorn]

Good question. We've had an unparalelled expansion of our economy (which was already the world's strongest) when immigration (illegal and otherwise) really got going, we've had comparatively few problems with illegals compared to natives, and a great amount of non citizens have served with honor in our military service.

We can't have open borders but this jihad you guys have launched against brown people is really stupid.

Sure...they're all valedictorians.

No far from it. Some very bad people come across but by and large they have been a beneficial influence to the nation.

By and large? So what percentage of "by and large" would not being beneficial be acceptable?

Well, the way I look at it is this; how many illegals do you think are here? 10M? 15M? 20M? Lets say 10M. The overwhelming majority buy things that creates sales tax revenue which stays in the states where it is spent. . The sales tax receipts--depending on how many you think are here--are equal to the population of many states. Michigan has 9 million people...so we're talking about the sales tax revenue generated by the State of Michigan. That is a sizable impact in real dollars spread across a great many states.

We can't have open borders. That is a no-brainer. And the ones we do allow into the nation officially need to have a much more stringent screening process. But the fallacy that all these folks do is take and give nothing back is flat out wrong.

Wouldn't it be nice if the rest of us only paid sales tax.

Is that the best you can do?

 

[candycorn]

No far from it. Some very bad people come across but by and large they have been a beneficial influence to the nation.

Yeah, it's so beneficial for people to come here and turn us into a bilingual country and more than half end up on our welfare programs.

More fear.

More truth. Something the left really hates.

Nope...pure fear. Its all you have.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No far from it. Some very bad people come across but by and large they have been a beneficial influence to the nation.

Yeah, it's so beneficial for people to come here and turn us into a bilingual country and more than half end up on our welfare programs.

More fear.

More truth. Something the left really hates.

Nope...pure fear. Its all you have.

Do you or do you not have to press 1 to hear or speak to somebody in your own language?
Are most signs today written in English and Spanish?
Did you read my link about welfare and immigrants.

Like I said, it's just plain ole truth.