Why is the far left so upset that a 17 year old Patriot shoot arsonists and looters?

[candycorn]

Two nights ago, the Great Patriot, Defender of Kenosha, and Guardian of the Republic, Kyle Rittenhouse, suppressed an unlawful riot in Kenosha where countless businesses have been burnt down, looted and forced out of business.

The police were no where to be found, unable to act and carry out their function of maintaining Law and Order.

So the citizens of the area took up arms, exercising their Second Amendment right to suppress violent riot, arson and looting and to suppress a communist insurrection.

It's almost as if the far left wants to take our Second Amendment rights so they can abolish the police and then rain chaos upon our communities (problem, reaction...solution?), and then institute their new police force under the flag of communism to restore civilization.

So what he did was legal?

Absolutely. He should also be awarded the Medal of Freedom.

If it turns out that what he did was illegal, would you support appropriate jail time?

I think he should have is gun ownership rights taken away....because it's clear he didn't handle himself well.
If it was me...I wouldn't be there in the first place.
But if I had to be there, I guarantee that there would be alot more bodies to clean up.

He handled himself fine.

The Great Patriot, Defender of Kenosha and Guardian of Republic, Kyle Rittenhouse, will be acquitted by a Jury of his Peers, the townsfolk of Kenosha who have suffered immense harm by the hands of Rioters, Rapists, Arsonists, Looters and Thugs.

No, he will not be acquitted and will be in your old cell in prison.

He'll likely be acquitted of unlawful killing...but convicted of carrying a firearm while under the legal age to do so. In fact I suspect he'll be allowed to plead to that and it will be settled.

And don't forget interstate flight to avoid prosecution.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Did you honestly expect good real Americans to stay sitting on their hands forever while you Lefties “fundamentally transformed” their nation?
@Mac1958

Exactly how did lefties with no control in the govt transform the nation. Are the repugnants so typically inept they couldn’t do anything ?

You shoved faggots down our throats
You shoved abortion down our throats
You shoved your pet human wetbacks down our throat
You shoved chicks with chicks down our throats
You fought to remove God as a pillar of America
You fight for decriminalization, free shit and higher taxes, you hate our right to sovereignty and our Constitution.
You disgusting fucks are far and away America’s worse enemy.

 

[progressive hunter]

Two nights ago, the Great Patriot, Defender of Kenosha, and Guardian of the Republic, Kyle Rittenhouse, suppressed an unlawful riot in Kenosha where countless businesses have been burnt down, looted and forced out of business.

The police were no where to be found, unable to act and carry out their function of maintaining Law and Order.

So the citizens of the area took up arms, exercising their Second Amendment right to suppress violent riot, arson and looting and to suppress a communist insurrection.

It's almost as if the far left wants to take our Second Amendment rights so they can abolish the police and then rain chaos upon our communities (problem, reaction...solution?), and then institute their new police force under the flag of communism to restore civilization.

So what he did was legal?

Absolutely. He should also be awarded the Medal of Freedom.

If it turns out that what he did was illegal, would you support appropriate jail time?

I think he should have is gun ownership rights taken away....because it's clear he didn't handle himself well.
If it was me...I wouldn't be there in the first place.
But if I had to be there, I guarantee that there would be alot more bodies to clean up.

He handled himself fine.

The Great Patriot, Defender of Kenosha and Guardian of Republic, Kyle Rittenhouse, will be acquitted by a Jury of his Peers, the townsfolk of Kenosha who have suffered immense harm by the hands of Rioters, Rapists, Arsonists, Looters and Thugs.

No, he will not be acquitted and will be in your old cell in prison.

He'll likely be acquitted of unlawful killing...but convicted of carrying a firearm while under the legal age to do so. In fact I suspect he'll be allowed to plead to that and it will be settled.

And don't forget interstate flight to avoid prosecution.

he didnt do that,,,

 

[L.K.Eder]

So the citizens of the area took up arms, exercising their Second Amendment right to suppress violent riot, arson and looting and to suppress a communist insurrection.

That’s wrong. Citizens do not have a right to do law enforcement by shooting people when their lives are not endanger you fool. Suspected theft Is not a valid reason to execute people. You’re imbecilic remarks are rediculous.

the second amendment gives people the right to SELF. Defense and the defense of life, not to execute people otherwise you fool......that’s why we arrest people first and give them due process.

Wisconsin has a statute called Castle Doctrine. Please inform yourself of their laws, etc., before you embarrass yourself further.

Your rationale would be eaten up in a court of law.

what was rittenhouse's castle, perfessor?

his body dumbass,,,,

An example for you Red Doper Diaper Baby played out in the Cheese State.

How gosh darn hard is it to investigate something then provide feedback?

i already did that. it's your turn as you obviously do not understand what a castle is and why it does not apply here. your co-moron is ahead of you and tried to define his body as a castle. fail.

What did it say?

it defines the castle. now please show the class where rittenhouse's castle was.

I posted the law,,now read it and shut up,,,

no. you posted a link you did not understand.

I understand simple english,,,you obviously dont,,,


Self-Defense and the Castle Doctrine
Wisconsin law allows deadly force in self-defense in the limited circumstances where the person defending themselves “reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm” to their person.Oct 30, 2014
Wisconsin Court Clarifies New Self-Defense Rule

you are obviously not capable of understanding the legal text. funny that you cannot even understand the boiled down explanation in your own source.

"The Castle Doctrine is a special change to that rule that applies when a person is in their home, car, or place of business, and someone either has forcefully entered their home or is in the process of doing so."

not according to the wisconsin supreme court as I posted,,,


Self-Defense and the Castle Doctrine
Wisconsin law allows deadly force in self-defense in the limited circumstances where the person defending themselves “reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm” to their person.Oct 30, 2014
Wisconsin Court Clarifies New Self-Defense Rule

instead of reposting the same stuff, you should read it. get someone to explain it to you. you clearly need help.

it clearly says "ANY PERSON" AND DOESNT MENTION HOUSE OR BUSINESS,,,

YOU LOSE,,,dismissed,,,

i quoted the legal text. and bolded the relevant parts. dwelling, motor vehicle, place of business. That’s when the expanded self-defense protection applies. that does not mean that there is no right to self-defense. ok, it is longer than a tweet, but if you can read, then the law defines it clearly.

and I posted the clarification from their supreme court,,

now go play with some dolls or something because youve already bored me

the wi supreme court clarified that even the castle doctrine does not give carte blanche to shoot at people once they are outside of the castle. have some self-respect and try to understand your own source.

I never said it did,,,

so why did you post this source repeatedly. it is not relevant.

 

[candycorn]

Two nights ago, the Great Patriot, Defender of Kenosha, and Guardian of the Republic, Kyle Rittenhouse, suppressed an unlawful riot in Kenosha where countless businesses have been burnt down, looted and forced out of business.

The police were no where to be found, unable to act and carry out their function of maintaining Law and Order.

So the citizens of the area took up arms, exercising their Second Amendment right to suppress violent riot, arson and looting and to suppress a communist insurrection.

It's almost as if the far left wants to take our Second Amendment rights so they can abolish the police and then rain chaos upon our communities (problem, reaction...solution?), and then institute their new police force under the flag of communism to restore civilization.

So what he did was legal?

Absolutely. He should also be awarded the Medal of Freedom.

If it turns out that what he did was illegal, would you support appropriate jail time?

I think he should have is gun ownership rights taken away....because it's clear he didn't handle himself well.
If it was me...I wouldn't be there in the first place.
But if I had to be there, I guarantee that there would be alot more bodies to clean up.

He handled himself fine.

The Great Patriot, Defender of Kenosha and Guardian of Republic, Kyle Rittenhouse, will be acquitted by a Jury of his Peers, the townsfolk of Kenosha who have suffered immense harm by the hands of Rioters, Rapists, Arsonists, Looters and Thugs.

No, he will not be acquitted and will be in your old cell in prison.

He'll likely be acquitted of unlawful killing...but convicted of carrying a firearm while under the legal age to do so. In fact I suspect he'll be allowed to plead to that and it will be settled.

And don't forget interstate flight to avoid prosecution.

he didnt do that,,,

Did he leave the state?

 

[L.K.Eder]

Two nights ago, the Great Patriot, Defender of Kenosha, and Guardian of the Republic, Kyle Rittenhouse, suppressed an unlawful riot in Kenosha where countless businesses have been burnt down, looted and forced out of business.

The police were no where to be found, unable to act and carry out their function of maintaining Law and Order.

So the citizens of the area took up arms, exercising their Second Amendment right to suppress violent riot, arson and looting and to suppress a communist insurrection.

It's almost as if the far left wants to take our Second Amendment rights so they can abolish the police and then rain chaos upon our communities (problem, reaction...solution?), and then institute their new police force under the flag of communism to restore civilization.

So what he did was legal?

Absolutely. He should also be awarded the Medal of Freedom.

If it turns out that what he did was illegal, would you support appropriate jail time?

I think he should have is gun ownership rights taken away....because it's clear he didn't handle himself well.
If it was me...I wouldn't be there in the first place.
But if I had to be there, I guarantee that there would be alot more bodies to clean up.

He handled himself fine.

The Great Patriot, Defender of Kenosha and Guardian of Republic, Kyle Rittenhouse, will be acquitted by a Jury of his Peers, the townsfolk of Kenosha who have suffered immense harm by the hands of Rioters, Rapists, Arsonists, Looters and Thugs.

No, he will not be acquitted and will be in your old cell in prison.

He'll likely be acquitted of unlawful killing...but convicted of carrying a firearm while under the legal age to do so. In fact I suspect he'll be allowed to plead to that and it will be settled.

And don't forget interstate flight to avoid prosecution.

That's harsh. he had a curfew at home. had he missed it, he might have lost his Playstation privileges.

 

[progressive hunter]

So the citizens of the area took up arms, exercising their Second Amendment right to suppress violent riot, arson and looting and to suppress a communist insurrection.

That’s wrong. Citizens do not have a right to do law enforcement by shooting people when their lives are not endanger you fool. Suspected theft Is not a valid reason to execute people. You’re imbecilic remarks are rediculous.

the second amendment gives people the right to SELF. Defense and the defense of life, not to execute people otherwise you fool......that’s why we arrest people first and give them due process.

Wisconsin has a statute called Castle Doctrine. Please inform yourself of their laws, etc., before you embarrass yourself further.

Your rationale would be eaten up in a court of law.

what was rittenhouse's castle, perfessor?

his body dumbass,,,,

An example for you Red Doper Diaper Baby played out in the Cheese State.

How gosh darn hard is it to investigate something then provide feedback?

i already did that. it's your turn as you obviously do not understand what a castle is and why it does not apply here. your co-moron is ahead of you and tried to define his body as a castle. fail.

What did it say?

it defines the castle. now please show the class where rittenhouse's castle was.

I posted the law,,now read it and shut up,,,

no. you posted a link you did not understand.

I understand simple english,,,you obviously dont,,,


Self-Defense and the Castle Doctrine
Wisconsin law allows deadly force in self-defense in the limited circumstances where the person defending themselves “reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm” to their person.Oct 30, 2014
Wisconsin Court Clarifies New Self-Defense Rule

you are obviously not capable of understanding the legal text. funny that you cannot even understand the boiled down explanation in your own source.

"The Castle Doctrine is a special change to that rule that applies when a person is in their home, car, or place of business, and someone either has forcefully entered their home or is in the process of doing so."

not according to the wisconsin supreme court as I posted,,,


Self-Defense and the Castle Doctrine
Wisconsin law allows deadly force in self-defense in the limited circumstances where the person defending themselves “reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm” to their person.Oct 30, 2014
Wisconsin Court Clarifies New Self-Defense Rule

instead of reposting the same stuff, you should read it. get someone to explain it to you. you clearly need help.

it clearly says "ANY PERSON" AND DOESNT MENTION HOUSE OR BUSINESS,,,

YOU LOSE,,,dismissed,,,

i quoted the legal text. and bolded the relevant parts. dwelling, motor vehicle, place of business. That’s when the expanded self-defense protection applies. that does not mean that there is no right to self-defense. ok, it is longer than a tweet, but if you can read, then the law defines it clearly.

and I posted the clarification from their supreme court,,

now go play with some dolls or something because youve already bored me

the wi supreme court clarified that even the castle doctrine does not give carte blanche to shoot at people once they are outside of the castle. have some self-respect and try to understand your own source.

I never said it did,,,

so why did you post this source repeatedly. it is not relevant.

HUH???

can you stay on one train of thought please,,,

I never said he had carte blanche to shoot anybody he wants,,,but he can to save his life, which is what he did,,,

 

[Missourian]

Well, if he completed hunter safety...the legal age is 15.

I think the legal requirement for open carry in Wisconsin is 18...although that would be an interesting theoretical legal defense, as he was in the company of an adult.

But I'm not sure that implying he was hunting would be beneficial to his murder defense.

 

[progressive hunter]

Two nights ago, the Great Patriot, Defender of Kenosha, and Guardian of the Republic, Kyle Rittenhouse, suppressed an unlawful riot in Kenosha where countless businesses have been burnt down, looted and forced out of business.

The police were no where to be found, unable to act and carry out their function of maintaining Law and Order.

So the citizens of the area took up arms, exercising their Second Amendment right to suppress violent riot, arson and looting and to suppress a communist insurrection.

It's almost as if the far left wants to take our Second Amendment rights so they can abolish the police and then rain chaos upon our communities (problem, reaction...solution?), and then institute their new police force under the flag of communism to restore civilization.

So what he did was legal?

Absolutely. He should also be awarded the Medal of Freedom.

If it turns out that what he did was illegal, would you support appropriate jail time?

I think he should have is gun ownership rights taken away....because it's clear he didn't handle himself well.
If it was me...I wouldn't be there in the first place.
But if I had to be there, I guarantee that there would be alot more bodies to clean up.

He handled himself fine.

The Great Patriot, Defender of Kenosha and Guardian of Republic, Kyle Rittenhouse, will be acquitted by a Jury of his Peers, the townsfolk of Kenosha who have suffered immense harm by the hands of Rioters, Rapists, Arsonists, Looters and Thugs.

No, he will not be acquitted and will be in your old cell in prison.

He'll likely be acquitted of unlawful killing...but convicted of carrying a firearm while under the legal age to do so. In fact I suspect he'll be allowed to plead to that and it will be settled.

And don't forget interstate flight to avoid prosecution.

he didnt do that,,,

Did he leave the state?

he went home and then turned himself in,,thats not fleeing to avoid prosecution,,,

youre thinking of the guy that kicked the truck driver in the head,,,

 

[EvilCat Breath]

You know there is an eye witness that followed Rittenhouse the entire time. Richie McGinnis was there and has his own film. From what he said, the surviving communist with the arm wound could go down for both deaths.

 

[Coyote]

Two nights ago, the Great Patriot, Defender of Kenosha, and Guardian of the Republic, Kyle Rittenhouse, suppressed an unlawful riot in Kenosha where countless businesses have been burnt down, looted and forced out of business.

The police were no where to be found, unable to act and carry out their function of maintaining Law and Order.

So the citizens of the area took up arms, exercising their Second Amendment right to suppress violent riot, arson and looting and to suppress a communist insurrection.

It's almost as if the far left wants to take our Second Amendment rights so they can abolish the police and then rain chaos upon our communities (problem, reaction...solution?), and then institute their new police force under the flag of communism to restore civilization.

So what he did was legal?

When you start to support vigilantism like this, you are no different than the looters and rioters. This all is coming together in a really bad way and dangerous way for our country.

the one difference here is, you didn't start it. but if you allow looters and rioters to tear shit up - you're a fool if you expect people to sit back and let it happen night after night after night.

It's starting to look like you are following me around from thread to thread.

Can't understand how you can on the one hand condemn rioting (which I agree with that condemnation) and yet support this. It's internally inconsistent.

Vigilantism is lawlessness. No different than rioting. A 17 year old in no way should be out there in a hyper volatile protest with a high powered rifle. IF the facts so far are correct - and the situation if evolving - he shot and KILLED two people and badly injured a third. Self defense is one thing, but in the initial killing, that does NOT appear to be the case.

The picture of him coming out is also disturbing. Funny how a protestor, standing across the street holding up speakers gets shot in the face by a rubber bullet, is vilified as a jobless bum (despite no evidence of actual participation in rioting) but this guy, illegally carrying a high powered rifle (he's 17) is a "hero". MURDER IS NOT HEROIC.

Something is messed up is very messed up right now if this is a "hero". Police are heroes. Undisciplined private paramilitaries are not. They are as dangerous as mobs of rioters. And they are ANTI-LAW. Anyone who believes in taking the law into their own hands and meting out justice is NOT LAWFUL.

What do we know about this kid?

Who is Kyle Rittenhouse? Here's what we know about the 17-year-old charged in the Kenosha protest shooting.

Before he took his rifle to confront the unrest in Kenosha, Wis., on Tuesday, allegedly killing two people and injuring another, Kyle Rittenhouse seemingly idolized one thing: the police. Growing […]

www.boston.com

But brief accounts from neighbors and local institutions paint the picture of a high school dropout who viewed law enforcement officers as his personal heroes.​

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So much so that, when massive protests, looting and fires broke out in Kenosha following the police shooting of Jacob Blake on Sunday, he crossed state lines to offer his support to local policemen – at times, speaking as if their duties were his, too.​

Police are heavily trained, and they know the law. These guys don't. They have no business acting like police.

There are WAY TOO MANY armed people at these protests and that includes "the left" - you once said once you bring firearms to a protest it is no longer peaceful. Still believe that?

There are WAY TOO MANY OUTSIDERS at these events - both "protestors" and "counter protestors" - they need to be thrown out of town.

Here is what one person said - is she right?

“Maybe he thought he was doing the right thing, but you don’t kill somebody,” she said. “That’s not your business to kill someone for messing with someone else’s business. That’s for the cops to deal with.”​

Hmmm, one of the thugs he killed was a pedo who served 12 years, and the other raped and tortured his girlfriend. Fine upstanding citizens those two were.

The last guy was armed with a pistol and the leader of a communist group who wants to destroy the USA.

I should care about violent felons why?

Just out of morbid curiosity; one of our more prominent posters here did time in prison. If he were shot dead by some guy who just wanted to kill someone, would you care?

First off the dead felons were trying to attack the kid. At that point I simply don't give a shit what happens to them.

They already have shown they don't care about the Rights of others, and they were trying to kill this kid, so no, good riddance to bad rubbish.

Great way to promote senseless killing on top of senseless rioting.

I'm beyond disgusted by what's happening on all sides.

Everyone seems to listen to the same echo chamber here. The so-called claims of "violent rape and assault" and "pedophilia" were deliberately made up to slander them. How low can you go West short of killing someone? Here's an idea for a start - go to the WI Sex Offender Registry and type in his name. Anything pop up? That is a start at trying untangle this complete mess of layered fakery, bogus claims, and incitements for more violence on both sides.

Second. If you claim these three men (2 dead and 1 injured) were rioters, please show it. Acts of rioting, looting and arson are illegal, we all agree on that. Show us that is what THOSE THREE PEOPLE were doing. Are you claiming EVERYONE at the protest was engaged in arson and looting? Then that must include the kid and the armed private militia people right? Or - wait - are you going to make some distinctions? hmmm....how about Right = lawful, Left = unlawful = legitimate....cause that's where you guys are going with this. That's a good starting point for killing people huh? No need to mess around trying to figure out who is engaged in unlawful activity and who is not. Now, if only there is some way to identify them before we kill them and have to make up crap to justify it.

So what happened here?

Here's one news account with no speculation:

Social media footage surfaced surrounding the late-night fatal shooting during unrest. Witness accounts and video indicate the gunman first shot someone at a car lot just before midnight, but details on what sparked that shooting weren't immediately clear. ​

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The alleged gunman then jogged away, fell in the street, and opened fire again as members of the crowd closed in on him, some appearing to kick and grab at his weapon. According to witness accounts and video footage, police apparently let the gunman walk past them and leave the scene with a rifle over his shoulder and his hands in the air as members of the crowd were yelling for him to be arrested because he had shot people.​

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When asked why the gunman was not arrested in the moment, Kenosha County Sheriff David Beth said he couldn't say for certain, but noted the chaos surrounding officers that night.​

Since it's all caught on video, it's pretty damn hard to JUSTIFY but easier to UNDERSTAND the shootings - the fact he was there and (illegally) armed to begin with and the fact he was allowed to simply walk away and return to another state and the fact that in that video there was NO criminal behavior being conducted by any of the dead or injured victims speak for themselves. The rest is speculation, differing accounts, deliberate disinformation, witness statements and armchair quarterbacks directing a brief video.

So here are the questions:

WHY WAS A 17 YEAR OLD THERE????? WITH THAT KIND OF WEAPON???? Regardless of what was going on....no one else got shot. Regardless of how I personally feel about private militias (which, as you know, is pretty negative) - THEY didn't shoot anyone either. The police refused to deputize these citizens...for good reason, but they were and imo it's fine to do so - allowed to guard private property. That is FINE. That is what this kid was supposed to be doing, but he LEFT his spot. If he had stayed there nothing would have happened! He was in over his head and he panicked, understandably, when people in the crowd tried to restrain him and get rid of his weapon. As far as anyone could see - the kid was another mass shooter...like Parkland, or any number of events. How could anyone know otherwise when they witness a man shot in the head and another man trotting away with a rifle? He wasn't law enforcement. No badge. No ID. WE FAILED HIM BY ALLOWING HIM TO BE THERE! He is not a hero. He is not a thug. He's a mixed up kid, who badly wanted to be a policeman, who idolized law enforcement, who carried a MEDIC bag in case any protestors needed help, and damn, I just end up crying for HIM, for this one ruined life, someone who really did not seem to have any malice. The dead are dead, but he will have to live with this. It's so wrong.

WHO SHOULD WE BLAME for the riots? Oh, I know the answer that will come from some - commie lefties. Democrats. Sheesh. Get a new playbook. Responsibility ultimately comes down on the mayor. He, along with the city council are responsible for ensuring the safety of his citizens, and their livelyhoods and their homes. Just like if you are the president - it doesn't really matter what you do or don't do - the buck stops here.

But there is a bit more than that because nothing is really simple unless you are a business that got burned out, or the fiancé, with a 2 yr old daughter, of a man who is now dead and slandered, or a 17 year old kid who will now be facing a life he never envisioned, or the family of a man brutally shot in the back at close range, and you just want justice.

What could have been done differently?

Let's start at the beginning. What sparked the demonstrations that then turned into rioting?

A video. A video showing police come up to a man, leaning into his car, grabbing him by the shirt, pulling him back and pumping multiple rounds into his back at close range. It was brutal and against the backdrop of so many videos showing (justifiable and unjustifiable) police violence - there should be no surprise at public reaction. I don't care who the man was, there is no way to watch that (if you are a normal person) and not be horrified. This is our new reality - videos. Of EVERYTHING. Harder to sweep things under the rug, easier to spin, misconstrue, take out of context. Easier to inflame "the masses". Easier to see wrong doing.

What preceded that? Attempts at police reform by the Wisconsin governor, stalled by the legislature. Maybe, just maybe, if people see that something is happening and something is being done, and there is transparency the potential for violence is less. The governor is attempting, AGAIN, to pass it

Yet, the mayor himself appears to be tone deaf to his constituency. If he doesn't listen to the other half, and he fails to provide law and order, he's going to deservedly lose re-election. One example - curfews. A good way to tamp down the potential for violence which always seems to escalate at night. There are demonstrations ongoing described as "mostly peaceful". There is supposed to be a curfew. It's NOT BEING ENFORCED. What the hell?

What is your solution? Blame "commies"? Get real. We have a perfect storm with bitter political divisions at EVERY LEVEL, widespread public anger and unrest, a lot of restrictions and confusion with a pandemic, widespread distrust of our leadership, huge unemployment, Congress incapable of doing their job, a hugely divisive and incompetent president, and the worst recession in ages and more internet disinformation than ever before. Take your pick - it all feeds into the unrest.

But I will say this, I was wrong on one thing, I am now agreeing with you that we need law and order more than ever - we need to stop the violence and that means addressing ALL the participants, not politicizing who to go after. But that can't be with private militias, because they become PART of the problem, fed by the same disinformation as the rest of us. Private entities can guard private property but they have no business roaming the streets or public areas and if they kill someone, they face the law on that. The police and our national guard are the ones who need to be doing this. It's their job, it's what they are trained for. Crowd control. Arresting looters and arsonists. Enforcing curfews.

This kid is not a hero. He's a victim. And we are all to blame.

Amazing how each end has 20/20 vision on the misdeeds of the other end, and are completely blind to their own.

The adults in the room had better take control pretty fucking soon. Wherever they are.

Honest to god Mac, my heart goes out to this 17 yr old, who's life is now ruined. The other's are dead. He even carried a medic kit for heaven's sakes. WE FAILED HIM. . They are not charging him him with murder, but reckless homicide and intentional homicide. That is more appropriate. I don't know if he is being charged as an adult...

"We"? Seriously?

From NPR:

"Another social media account that appeared to belong to Rittenhouse suggests he was also a supporter of President Trump. The TikTok account, with just 25 followers, read "Trump 2020" with a U.S. flag next to it, and, "Bruh I'm just tryna be famous."

If "we" failed this guy, "we" then failed every rampage killer in the history of our nation.

Does society have an influence on these guys who just snap and try to solve their problems with a gun? Yes. But there are literally millions of these guys who are under this influence who do not solve their problems that way.

He doesn't seem like that kind of person. (Ya, he supports Trump, there is that) - but look at what is said about him. He's not an extremist...not affiliated with any extreme groups. Isn't out to start a race war like some of the rightwing nut jobs. It doesn't SEEM as if he "snapped" - it seems more like he chose to participate in a situation he had no business being in, law enforcement allowed it (a real wtf moment) he was ill equip to handle it. He's all lawyered up now and the darling of the right for having murdered leftists so we will never know what he really thinks.

If anything, he is a product of our gun cult vigilante culture.

But maybe I'm wrong, certainly have been a lot.

 

[Coyote]

Two nights ago, the Great Patriot, Defender of Kenosha, and Guardian of the Republic, Kyle Rittenhouse, suppressed an unlawful riot in Kenosha where countless businesses have been burnt down, looted and forced out of business.

The police were no where to be found, unable to act and carry out their function of maintaining Law and Order.

So the citizens of the area took up arms, exercising their Second Amendment right to suppress violent riot, arson and looting and to suppress a communist insurrection.

It's almost as if the far left wants to take our Second Amendment rights so they can abolish the police and then rain chaos upon our communities (problem, reaction...solution?), and then institute their new police force under the flag of communism to restore civilization.

So what he did was legal?

Absolutely. He should also be awarded the Medal of Freedom.

If it turns out that what he did was illegal, would you support appropriate jail time?

I think he should have is gun ownership rights taken away....because it's clear he didn't handle himself well.
If it was me...I wouldn't be there in the first place.
But if I had to be there, I guarantee that there would be alot more bodies to clean up.

He handled himself fine.

The Great Patriot, Defender of Kenosha and Guardian of Republic, Kyle Rittenhouse, will be acquitted by a Jury of his Peers, the townsfolk of Kenosha who have suffered immense harm by the hands of Rioters, Rapists, Arsonists, Looters and Thugs.

No, he will not be acquitted and will be in your old cell in prison.

He'll likely be acquitted of unlawful killing...but convicted of carrying a firearm while under the legal age to do so. In fact I suspect he'll be allowed to plead to that and it will be settled.

And don't forget interstate flight to avoid prosecution.

he didnt do that,,,

Did he leave the state?

he went home and then turned himself in,,thats not fleeing to avoid prosecution,,,

youre thinking of the guy that kicked the truck driver in the head,,,

They let him go.

He killed to people and they let him walk out of there.

That's just crazy.

 

[candycorn]

Two nights ago, the Great Patriot, Defender of Kenosha, and Guardian of the Republic, Kyle Rittenhouse, suppressed an unlawful riot in Kenosha where countless businesses have been burnt down, looted and forced out of business.

The police were no where to be found, unable to act and carry out their function of maintaining Law and Order.

So the citizens of the area took up arms, exercising their Second Amendment right to suppress violent riot, arson and looting and to suppress a communist insurrection.

It's almost as if the far left wants to take our Second Amendment rights so they can abolish the police and then rain chaos upon our communities (problem, reaction...solution?), and then institute their new police force under the flag of communism to restore civilization.

So what he did was legal?

Absolutely. He should also be awarded the Medal of Freedom.

If it turns out that what he did was illegal, would you support appropriate jail time?

I think he should have is gun ownership rights taken away....because it's clear he didn't handle himself well.
If it was me...I wouldn't be there in the first place.
But if I had to be there, I guarantee that there would be alot more bodies to clean up.

He handled himself fine.

The Great Patriot, Defender of Kenosha and Guardian of Republic, Kyle Rittenhouse, will be acquitted by a Jury of his Peers, the townsfolk of Kenosha who have suffered immense harm by the hands of Rioters, Rapists, Arsonists, Looters and Thugs.

No, he will not be acquitted and will be in your old cell in prison.

He'll likely be acquitted of unlawful killing...but convicted of carrying a firearm while under the legal age to do so. In fact I suspect he'll be allowed to plead to that and it will be settled.

And don't forget interstate flight to avoid prosecution.

That's harsh. he had a curfew at home. had he missed it, he might have lost his Playstation privileges.

He drives across state lines, brings his gun, shoots people, then goes back home.

As a junior police cadet...you'd think he would have waited for the adulation from the officers.

Kenosha Shooting Suspect Fervently Supported 'Blue Lives,' Joined Local Militia

The 17-year-old accused of killing two was a police youth cadet in the Chicago suburbs. He said on social media that he went to Wisconsin to assist police.

www.npr.org

" In addition to his participation as a youth police cadet in Lake County, his social media posts showed Rittenhouse was a staunch law-enforcement supporter who had posted tributes to officers killed in the line of duty in Chicago and the northern suburbs. "

 

[L.K.Eder]

So the citizens of the area took up arms, exercising their Second Amendment right to suppress violent riot, arson and looting and to suppress a communist insurrection.

That’s wrong. Citizens do not have a right to do law enforcement by shooting people when their lives are not endanger you fool. Suspected theft Is not a valid reason to execute people. You’re imbecilic remarks are rediculous.

the second amendment gives people the right to SELF. Defense and the defense of life, not to execute people otherwise you fool......that’s why we arrest people first and give them due process.

Wisconsin has a statute called Castle Doctrine. Please inform yourself of their laws, etc., before you embarrass yourself further.

Your rationale would be eaten up in a court of law.

what was rittenhouse's castle, perfessor?

his body dumbass,,,,

An example for you Red Doper Diaper Baby played out in the Cheese State.

How gosh darn hard is it to investigate something then provide feedback?

i already did that. it's your turn as you obviously do not understand what a castle is and why it does not apply here. your co-moron is ahead of you and tried to define his body as a castle. fail.

What did it say?

it defines the castle. now please show the class where rittenhouse's castle was.

I posted the law,,now read it and shut up,,,

no. you posted a link you did not understand.

I understand simple english,,,you obviously dont,,,


Self-Defense and the Castle Doctrine
Wisconsin law allows deadly force in self-defense in the limited circumstances where the person defending themselves “reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm” to their person.Oct 30, 2014
Wisconsin Court Clarifies New Self-Defense Rule

you are obviously not capable of understanding the legal text. funny that you cannot even understand the boiled down explanation in your own source.

"The Castle Doctrine is a special change to that rule that applies when a person is in their home, car, or place of business, and someone either has forcefully entered their home or is in the process of doing so."

not according to the wisconsin supreme court as I posted,,,


Self-Defense and the Castle Doctrine
Wisconsin law allows deadly force in self-defense in the limited circumstances where the person defending themselves “reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm” to their person.Oct 30, 2014
Wisconsin Court Clarifies New Self-Defense Rule

instead of reposting the same stuff, you should read it. get someone to explain it to you. you clearly need help.

it clearly says "ANY PERSON" AND DOESNT MENTION HOUSE OR BUSINESS,,,

YOU LOSE,,,dismissed,,,

i quoted the legal text. and bolded the relevant parts. dwelling, motor vehicle, place of business. That’s when the expanded self-defense protection applies. that does not mean that there is no right to self-defense. ok, it is longer than a tweet, but if you can read, then the law defines it clearly.

and I posted the clarification from their supreme court,,

now go play with some dolls or something because youve already bored me

the wi supreme court clarified that even the castle doctrine does not give carte blanche to shoot at people once they are outside of the castle. have some self-respect and try to understand your own source.

I never said it did,,,

so why did you post this source repeatedly. it is not relevant.

HUH???

can you stay on one train of thought please,,,

I never said he had carte blanche to shoot anybody he wants,,,but he can to save his life, which is what he did,,,

dude, give it up already. it's abundantly clear that you do not understand the castle doctrine. you also do not understand that your source does nothing to support you.

a non-moron would have realized that the castle doctrine does not apply. rittenhouse will have to rely on his lawyers arguing for self-defense without the castle doctrine crutch. BECAUSE RITTENHOUSE HAD NO CASTLE IN KENOSHA.

 

[progressive hunter]

Two nights ago, the Great Patriot, Defender of Kenosha, and Guardian of the Republic, Kyle Rittenhouse, suppressed an unlawful riot in Kenosha where countless businesses have been burnt down, looted and forced out of business.

The police were no where to be found, unable to act and carry out their function of maintaining Law and Order.

So the citizens of the area took up arms, exercising their Second Amendment right to suppress violent riot, arson and looting and to suppress a communist insurrection.

It's almost as if the far left wants to take our Second Amendment rights so they can abolish the police and then rain chaos upon our communities (problem, reaction...solution?), and then institute their new police force under the flag of communism to restore civilization.

So what he did was legal?

When you start to support vigilantism like this, you are no different than the looters and rioters. This all is coming together in a really bad way and dangerous way for our country.

the one difference here is, you didn't start it. but if you allow looters and rioters to tear shit up - you're a fool if you expect people to sit back and let it happen night after night after night.

It's starting to look like you are following me around from thread to thread.

Can't understand how you can on the one hand condemn rioting (which I agree with that condemnation) and yet support this. It's internally inconsistent.

Vigilantism is lawlessness. No different than rioting. A 17 year old in no way should be out there in a hyper volatile protest with a high powered rifle. IF the facts so far are correct - and the situation if evolving - he shot and KILLED two people and badly injured a third. Self defense is one thing, but in the initial killing, that does NOT appear to be the case.

The picture of him coming out is also disturbing. Funny how a protestor, standing across the street holding up speakers gets shot in the face by a rubber bullet, is vilified as a jobless bum (despite no evidence of actual participation in rioting) but this guy, illegally carrying a high powered rifle (he's 17) is a "hero". MURDER IS NOT HEROIC.

Something is messed up is very messed up right now if this is a "hero". Police are heroes. Undisciplined private paramilitaries are not. They are as dangerous as mobs of rioters. And they are ANTI-LAW. Anyone who believes in taking the law into their own hands and meting out justice is NOT LAWFUL.

What do we know about this kid?

Who is Kyle Rittenhouse? Here's what we know about the 17-year-old charged in the Kenosha protest shooting.

Before he took his rifle to confront the unrest in Kenosha, Wis., on Tuesday, allegedly killing two people and injuring another, Kyle Rittenhouse seemingly idolized one thing: the police. Growing […]

www.boston.com

But brief accounts from neighbors and local institutions paint the picture of a high school dropout who viewed law enforcement officers as his personal heroes.​

​

So much so that, when massive protests, looting and fires broke out in Kenosha following the police shooting of Jacob Blake on Sunday, he crossed state lines to offer his support to local policemen – at times, speaking as if their duties were his, too.​

Police are heavily trained, and they know the law. These guys don't. They have no business acting like police.

There are WAY TOO MANY armed people at these protests and that includes "the left" - you once said once you bring firearms to a protest it is no longer peaceful. Still believe that?

There are WAY TOO MANY OUTSIDERS at these events - both "protestors" and "counter protestors" - they need to be thrown out of town.

Here is what one person said - is she right?

“Maybe he thought he was doing the right thing, but you don’t kill somebody,” she said. “That’s not your business to kill someone for messing with someone else’s business. That’s for the cops to deal with.”​

Hmmm, one of the thugs he killed was a pedo who served 12 years, and the other raped and tortured his girlfriend. Fine upstanding citizens those two were.

The last guy was armed with a pistol and the leader of a communist group who wants to destroy the USA.

I should care about violent felons why?

Just out of morbid curiosity; one of our more prominent posters here did time in prison. If he were shot dead by some guy who just wanted to kill someone, would you care?

First off the dead felons were trying to attack the kid. At that point I simply don't give a shit what happens to them.

They already have shown they don't care about the Rights of others, and they were trying to kill this kid, so no, good riddance to bad rubbish.

Great way to promote senseless killing on top of senseless rioting.

I'm beyond disgusted by what's happening on all sides.

Everyone seems to listen to the same echo chamber here. The so-called claims of "violent rape and assault" and "pedophilia" were deliberately made up to slander them. How low can you go West short of killing someone? Here's an idea for a start - go to the WI Sex Offender Registry and type in his name. Anything pop up? That is a start at trying untangle this complete mess of layered fakery, bogus claims, and incitements for more violence on both sides.

Second. If you claim these three men (2 dead and 1 injured) were rioters, please show it. Acts of rioting, looting and arson are illegal, we all agree on that. Show us that is what THOSE THREE PEOPLE were doing. Are you claiming EVERYONE at the protest was engaged in arson and looting? Then that must include the kid and the armed private militia people right? Or - wait - are you going to make some distinctions? hmmm....how about Right = lawful, Left = unlawful = legitimate....cause that's where you guys are going with this. That's a good starting point for killing people huh? No need to mess around trying to figure out who is engaged in unlawful activity and who is not. Now, if only there is some way to identify them before we kill them and have to make up crap to justify it.

So what happened here?

Here's one news account with no speculation:

Social media footage surfaced surrounding the late-night fatal shooting during unrest. Witness accounts and video indicate the gunman first shot someone at a car lot just before midnight, but details on what sparked that shooting weren't immediately clear. ​

​

The alleged gunman then jogged away, fell in the street, and opened fire again as members of the crowd closed in on him, some appearing to kick and grab at his weapon. According to witness accounts and video footage, police apparently let the gunman walk past them and leave the scene with a rifle over his shoulder and his hands in the air as members of the crowd were yelling for him to be arrested because he had shot people.​

​

When asked why the gunman was not arrested in the moment, Kenosha County Sheriff David Beth said he couldn't say for certain, but noted the chaos surrounding officers that night.​

Since it's all caught on video, it's pretty damn hard to JUSTIFY but easier to UNDERSTAND the shootings - the fact he was there and (illegally) armed to begin with and the fact he was allowed to simply walk away and return to another state and the fact that in that video there was NO criminal behavior being conducted by any of the dead or injured victims speak for themselves. The rest is speculation, differing accounts, deliberate disinformation, witness statements and armchair quarterbacks directing a brief video.

So here are the questions:

WHY WAS A 17 YEAR OLD THERE????? WITH THAT KIND OF WEAPON???? Regardless of what was going on....no one else got shot. Regardless of how I personally feel about private militias (which, as you know, is pretty negative) - THEY didn't shoot anyone either. The police refused to deputize these citizens...for good reason, but they were and imo it's fine to do so - allowed to guard private property. That is FINE. That is what this kid was supposed to be doing, but he LEFT his spot. If he had stayed there nothing would have happened! He was in over his head and he panicked, understandably, when people in the crowd tried to restrain him and get rid of his weapon. As far as anyone could see - the kid was another mass shooter...like Parkland, or any number of events. How could anyone know otherwise when they witness a man shot in the head and another man trotting away with a rifle? He wasn't law enforcement. No badge. No ID. WE FAILED HIM BY ALLOWING HIM TO BE THERE! He is not a hero. He is not a thug. He's a mixed up kid, who badly wanted to be a policeman, who idolized law enforcement, who carried a MEDIC bag in case any protestors needed help, and damn, I just end up crying for HIM, for this one ruined life, someone who really did not seem to have any malice. The dead are dead, but he will have to live with this. It's so wrong.

WHO SHOULD WE BLAME for the riots? Oh, I know the answer that will come from some - commie lefties. Democrats. Sheesh. Get a new playbook. Responsibility ultimately comes down on the mayor. He, along with the city council are responsible for ensuring the safety of his citizens, and their livelyhoods and their homes. Just like if you are the president - it doesn't really matter what you do or don't do - the buck stops here.

But there is a bit more than that because nothing is really simple unless you are a business that got burned out, or the fiancé, with a 2 yr old daughter, of a man who is now dead and slandered, or a 17 year old kid who will now be facing a life he never envisioned, or the family of a man brutally shot in the back at close range, and you just want justice.

What could have been done differently?

Let's start at the beginning. What sparked the demonstrations that then turned into rioting?

A video. A video showing police come up to a man, leaning into his car, grabbing him by the shirt, pulling him back and pumping multiple rounds into his back at close range. It was brutal and against the backdrop of so many videos showing (justifiable and unjustifiable) police violence - there should be no surprise at public reaction. I don't care who the man was, there is no way to watch that (if you are a normal person) and not be horrified. This is our new reality - videos. Of EVERYTHING. Harder to sweep things under the rug, easier to spin, misconstrue, take out of context. Easier to inflame "the masses". Easier to see wrong doing.

What preceded that? Attempts at police reform by the Wisconsin governor, stalled by the legislature. Maybe, just maybe, if people see that something is happening and something is being done, and there is transparency the potential for violence is less. The governor is attempting, AGAIN, to pass it

Yet, the mayor himself appears to be tone deaf to his constituency. If he doesn't listen to the other half, and he fails to provide law and order, he's going to deservedly lose re-election. One example - curfews. A good way to tamp down the potential for violence which always seems to escalate at night. There are demonstrations ongoing described as "mostly peaceful". There is supposed to be a curfew. It's NOT BEING ENFORCED. What the hell?

What is your solution? Blame "commies"? Get real. We have a perfect storm with bitter political divisions at EVERY LEVEL, widespread public anger and unrest, a lot of restrictions and confusion with a pandemic, widespread distrust of our leadership, huge unemployment, Congress incapable of doing their job, a hugely divisive and incompetent president, and the worst recession in ages and more internet disinformation than ever before. Take your pick - it all feeds into the unrest.

But I will say this, I was wrong on one thing, I am now agreeing with you that we need law and order more than ever - we need to stop the violence and that means addressing ALL the participants, not politicizing who to go after. But that can't be with private militias, because they become PART of the problem, fed by the same disinformation as the rest of us. Private entities can guard private property but they have no business roaming the streets or public areas and if they kill someone, they face the law on that. The police and our national guard are the ones who need to be doing this. It's their job, it's what they are trained for. Crowd control. Arresting looters and arsonists. Enforcing curfews.

This kid is not a hero. He's a victim. And we are all to blame.

Amazing how each end has 20/20 vision on the misdeeds of the other end, and are completely blind to their own.

The adults in the room had better take control pretty fucking soon. Wherever they are.

Honest to god Mac, my heart goes out to this 17 yr old, who's life is now ruined. The other's are dead. He even carried a medic kit for heaven's sakes. WE FAILED HIM. . They are not charging him him with murder, but reckless homicide and intentional homicide. That is more appropriate. I don't know if he is being charged as an adult...

"We"? Seriously?

From NPR:

"Another social media account that appeared to belong to Rittenhouse suggests he was also a supporter of President Trump. The TikTok account, with just 25 followers, read "Trump 2020" with a U.S. flag next to it, and, "Bruh I'm just tryna be famous."

If "we" failed this guy, "we" then failed every rampage killer in the history of our nation.

Does society have an influence on these guys who just snap and try to solve their problems with a gun? Yes. But there are literally millions of these guys who are under this influence who do not solve their problems that way.

He doesn't seem like that kind of person. (Ya, he supports Trump, there is that) - but look at what is said about him. He's not an extremist...not affiliated with any extreme groups. Isn't out to start a race war like some of the rightwing nut jobs. It doesn't SEEM as if he "snapped" - it seems more like he chose to participate in a situation he had no business being in, law enforcement allowed it (a real wtf moment) he was ill equip to handle it. He's all lawyered up now and the darling of the right for having murdered leftists so we will never know what he really thinks.

If anything, he is a product of our gun cult vigilante culture.

But maybe I'm wrong, certainly have been a lot.

I see youre back to telling lies,,,
figures,,,

he didnt murder anyone,,,
and who are you to say he had no business being there???

 

[candycorn]

Two nights ago, the Great Patriot, Defender of Kenosha, and Guardian of the Republic, Kyle Rittenhouse, suppressed an unlawful riot in Kenosha where countless businesses have been burnt down, looted and forced out of business.

The police were no where to be found, unable to act and carry out their function of maintaining Law and Order.

So the citizens of the area took up arms, exercising their Second Amendment right to suppress violent riot, arson and looting and to suppress a communist insurrection.

It's almost as if the far left wants to take our Second Amendment rights so they can abolish the police and then rain chaos upon our communities (problem, reaction...solution?), and then institute their new police force under the flag of communism to restore civilization.

So what he did was legal?

When you start to support vigilantism like this, you are no different than the looters and rioters. This all is coming together in a really bad way and dangerous way for our country.

the one difference here is, you didn't start it. but if you allow looters and rioters to tear shit up - you're a fool if you expect people to sit back and let it happen night after night after night.

It's starting to look like you are following me around from thread to thread.

Can't understand how you can on the one hand condemn rioting (which I agree with that condemnation) and yet support this. It's internally inconsistent.

Vigilantism is lawlessness. No different than rioting. A 17 year old in no way should be out there in a hyper volatile protest with a high powered rifle. IF the facts so far are correct - and the situation if evolving - he shot and KILLED two people and badly injured a third. Self defense is one thing, but in the initial killing, that does NOT appear to be the case.

The picture of him coming out is also disturbing. Funny how a protestor, standing across the street holding up speakers gets shot in the face by a rubber bullet, is vilified as a jobless bum (despite no evidence of actual participation in rioting) but this guy, illegally carrying a high powered rifle (he's 17) is a "hero". MURDER IS NOT HEROIC.

Something is messed up is very messed up right now if this is a "hero". Police are heroes. Undisciplined private paramilitaries are not. They are as dangerous as mobs of rioters. And they are ANTI-LAW. Anyone who believes in taking the law into their own hands and meting out justice is NOT LAWFUL.

What do we know about this kid?

Who is Kyle Rittenhouse? Here's what we know about the 17-year-old charged in the Kenosha protest shooting.

Before he took his rifle to confront the unrest in Kenosha, Wis., on Tuesday, allegedly killing two people and injuring another, Kyle Rittenhouse seemingly idolized one thing: the police. Growing […]

www.boston.com

But brief accounts from neighbors and local institutions paint the picture of a high school dropout who viewed law enforcement officers as his personal heroes.​

​

So much so that, when massive protests, looting and fires broke out in Kenosha following the police shooting of Jacob Blake on Sunday, he crossed state lines to offer his support to local policemen – at times, speaking as if their duties were his, too.​

Police are heavily trained, and they know the law. These guys don't. They have no business acting like police.

There are WAY TOO MANY armed people at these protests and that includes "the left" - you once said once you bring firearms to a protest it is no longer peaceful. Still believe that?

There are WAY TOO MANY OUTSIDERS at these events - both "protestors" and "counter protestors" - they need to be thrown out of town.

Here is what one person said - is she right?

“Maybe he thought he was doing the right thing, but you don’t kill somebody,” she said. “That’s not your business to kill someone for messing with someone else’s business. That’s for the cops to deal with.”​

Hmmm, one of the thugs he killed was a pedo who served 12 years, and the other raped and tortured his girlfriend. Fine upstanding citizens those two were.

The last guy was armed with a pistol and the leader of a communist group who wants to destroy the USA.

I should care about violent felons why?

Just out of morbid curiosity; one of our more prominent posters here did time in prison. If he were shot dead by some guy who just wanted to kill someone, would you care?

First off the dead felons were trying to attack the kid. At that point I simply don't give a shit what happens to them.

They already have shown they don't care about the Rights of others, and they were trying to kill this kid, so no, good riddance to bad rubbish.

Great way to promote senseless killing on top of senseless rioting.

I'm beyond disgusted by what's happening on all sides.

Everyone seems to listen to the same echo chamber here. The so-called claims of "violent rape and assault" and "pedophilia" were deliberately made up to slander them. How low can you go West short of killing someone? Here's an idea for a start - go to the WI Sex Offender Registry and type in his name. Anything pop up? That is a start at trying untangle this complete mess of layered fakery, bogus claims, and incitements for more violence on both sides.

Second. If you claim these three men (2 dead and 1 injured) were rioters, please show it. Acts of rioting, looting and arson are illegal, we all agree on that. Show us that is what THOSE THREE PEOPLE were doing. Are you claiming EVERYONE at the protest was engaged in arson and looting? Then that must include the kid and the armed private militia people right? Or - wait - are you going to make some distinctions? hmmm....how about Right = lawful, Left = unlawful = legitimate....cause that's where you guys are going with this. That's a good starting point for killing people huh? No need to mess around trying to figure out who is engaged in unlawful activity and who is not. Now, if only there is some way to identify them before we kill them and have to make up crap to justify it.

So what happened here?

Here's one news account with no speculation:

Social media footage surfaced surrounding the late-night fatal shooting during unrest. Witness accounts and video indicate the gunman first shot someone at a car lot just before midnight, but details on what sparked that shooting weren't immediately clear. ​

​

The alleged gunman then jogged away, fell in the street, and opened fire again as members of the crowd closed in on him, some appearing to kick and grab at his weapon. According to witness accounts and video footage, police apparently let the gunman walk past them and leave the scene with a rifle over his shoulder and his hands in the air as members of the crowd were yelling for him to be arrested because he had shot people.​

​

When asked why the gunman was not arrested in the moment, Kenosha County Sheriff David Beth said he couldn't say for certain, but noted the chaos surrounding officers that night.​

Since it's all caught on video, it's pretty damn hard to JUSTIFY but easier to UNDERSTAND the shootings - the fact he was there and (illegally) armed to begin with and the fact he was allowed to simply walk away and return to another state and the fact that in that video there was NO criminal behavior being conducted by any of the dead or injured victims speak for themselves. The rest is speculation, differing accounts, deliberate disinformation, witness statements and armchair quarterbacks directing a brief video.

So here are the questions:

WHY WAS A 17 YEAR OLD THERE????? WITH THAT KIND OF WEAPON???? Regardless of what was going on....no one else got shot. Regardless of how I personally feel about private militias (which, as you know, is pretty negative) - THEY didn't shoot anyone either. The police refused to deputize these citizens...for good reason, but they were and imo it's fine to do so - allowed to guard private property. That is FINE. That is what this kid was supposed to be doing, but he LEFT his spot. If he had stayed there nothing would have happened! He was in over his head and he panicked, understandably, when people in the crowd tried to restrain him and get rid of his weapon. As far as anyone could see - the kid was another mass shooter...like Parkland, or any number of events. How could anyone know otherwise when they witness a man shot in the head and another man trotting away with a rifle? He wasn't law enforcement. No badge. No ID. WE FAILED HIM BY ALLOWING HIM TO BE THERE! He is not a hero. He is not a thug. He's a mixed up kid, who badly wanted to be a policeman, who idolized law enforcement, who carried a MEDIC bag in case any protestors needed help, and damn, I just end up crying for HIM, for this one ruined life, someone who really did not seem to have any malice. The dead are dead, but he will have to live with this. It's so wrong.

WHO SHOULD WE BLAME for the riots? Oh, I know the answer that will come from some - commie lefties. Democrats. Sheesh. Get a new playbook. Responsibility ultimately comes down on the mayor. He, along with the city council are responsible for ensuring the safety of his citizens, and their livelyhoods and their homes. Just like if you are the president - it doesn't really matter what you do or don't do - the buck stops here.

But there is a bit more than that because nothing is really simple unless you are a business that got burned out, or the fiancé, with a 2 yr old daughter, of a man who is now dead and slandered, or a 17 year old kid who will now be facing a life he never envisioned, or the family of a man brutally shot in the back at close range, and you just want justice.

What could have been done differently?

Let's start at the beginning. What sparked the demonstrations that then turned into rioting?

A video. A video showing police come up to a man, leaning into his car, grabbing him by the shirt, pulling him back and pumping multiple rounds into his back at close range. It was brutal and against the backdrop of so many videos showing (justifiable and unjustifiable) police violence - there should be no surprise at public reaction. I don't care who the man was, there is no way to watch that (if you are a normal person) and not be horrified. This is our new reality - videos. Of EVERYTHING. Harder to sweep things under the rug, easier to spin, misconstrue, take out of context. Easier to inflame "the masses". Easier to see wrong doing.

What preceded that? Attempts at police reform by the Wisconsin governor, stalled by the legislature. Maybe, just maybe, if people see that something is happening and something is being done, and there is transparency the potential for violence is less. The governor is attempting, AGAIN, to pass it

Yet, the mayor himself appears to be tone deaf to his constituency. If he doesn't listen to the other half, and he fails to provide law and order, he's going to deservedly lose re-election. One example - curfews. A good way to tamp down the potential for violence which always seems to escalate at night. There are demonstrations ongoing described as "mostly peaceful". There is supposed to be a curfew. It's NOT BEING ENFORCED. What the hell?

What is your solution? Blame "commies"? Get real. We have a perfect storm with bitter political divisions at EVERY LEVEL, widespread public anger and unrest, a lot of restrictions and confusion with a pandemic, widespread distrust of our leadership, huge unemployment, Congress incapable of doing their job, a hugely divisive and incompetent president, and the worst recession in ages and more internet disinformation than ever before. Take your pick - it all feeds into the unrest.

But I will say this, I was wrong on one thing, I am now agreeing with you that we need law and order more than ever - we need to stop the violence and that means addressing ALL the participants, not politicizing who to go after. But that can't be with private militias, because they become PART of the problem, fed by the same disinformation as the rest of us. Private entities can guard private property but they have no business roaming the streets or public areas and if they kill someone, they face the law on that. The police and our national guard are the ones who need to be doing this. It's their job, it's what they are trained for. Crowd control. Arresting looters and arsonists. Enforcing curfews.

This kid is not a hero. He's a victim. And we are all to blame.

Amazing how each end has 20/20 vision on the misdeeds of the other end, and are completely blind to their own.

The adults in the room had better take control pretty fucking soon. Wherever they are.

Honest to god Mac, my heart goes out to this 17 yr old, who's life is now ruined. The other's are dead. He even carried a medic kit for heaven's sakes. WE FAILED HIM. . They are not charging him him with murder, but reckless homicide and intentional homicide. That is more appropriate. I don't know if he is being charged as an adult...

"We"? Seriously?

From NPR:

"Another social media account that appeared to belong to Rittenhouse suggests he was also a supporter of President Trump. The TikTok account, with just 25 followers, read "Trump 2020" with a U.S. flag next to it, and, "Bruh I'm just tryna be famous."

If "we" failed this guy, "we" then failed every rampage killer in the history of our nation.

Does society have an influence on these guys who just snap and try to solve their problems with a gun? Yes. But there are literally millions of these guys who are under this influence who do not solve their problems that way.

He doesn't seem like that kind of person. (Ya, he supports Trump, there is that) - but look at what is said about him. He's not an extremist...not affiliated with any extreme groups. Isn't out to start a race war like some of the rightwing nut jobs. It doesn't SEEM as if he "snapped" - it seems more like he chose to participate in a situation he had no business being in, law enforcement allowed it (a real wtf moment) he was ill equip to handle it. He's all lawyered up now and the darling of the right for having murdered leftists so we will never know what he really thinks.

If anything, he is a product of our gun cult vigilante culture.

But maybe I'm wrong, certainly have been a lot.

You ever heard of William Rodriguez?

 

[progressive hunter]

Two nights ago, the Great Patriot, Defender of Kenosha, and Guardian of the Republic, Kyle Rittenhouse, suppressed an unlawful riot in Kenosha where countless businesses have been burnt down, looted and forced out of business.

The police were no where to be found, unable to act and carry out their function of maintaining Law and Order.

So the citizens of the area took up arms, exercising their Second Amendment right to suppress violent riot, arson and looting and to suppress a communist insurrection.

It's almost as if the far left wants to take our Second Amendment rights so they can abolish the police and then rain chaos upon our communities (problem, reaction...solution?), and then institute their new police force under the flag of communism to restore civilization.

So what he did was legal?

Absolutely. He should also be awarded the Medal of Freedom.

If it turns out that what he did was illegal, would you support appropriate jail time?

I think he should have is gun ownership rights taken away....because it's clear he didn't handle himself well.
If it was me...I wouldn't be there in the first place.
But if I had to be there, I guarantee that there would be alot more bodies to clean up.

He handled himself fine.

The Great Patriot, Defender of Kenosha and Guardian of Republic, Kyle Rittenhouse, will be acquitted by a Jury of his Peers, the townsfolk of Kenosha who have suffered immense harm by the hands of Rioters, Rapists, Arsonists, Looters and Thugs.

No, he will not be acquitted and will be in your old cell in prison.

He'll likely be acquitted of unlawful killing...but convicted of carrying a firearm while under the legal age to do so. In fact I suspect he'll be allowed to plead to that and it will be settled.

And don't forget interstate flight to avoid prosecution.

That's harsh. he had a curfew at home. had he missed it, he might have lost his Playstation privileges.

He drives across state lines, brings his gun, shoots people, then goes back home.

As a junior police cadet...you'd think he would have waited for the adulation from the officers.

Kenosha Shooting Suspect Fervently Supported 'Blue Lives,' Joined Local Militia

The 17-year-old accused of killing two was a police youth cadet in the Chicago suburbs. He said on social media that he went to Wisconsin to assist police.

www.npr.org

" In addition to his participation as a youth police cadet in Lake County, his social media posts showed Rittenhouse was a staunch law-enforcement supporter who had posted tributes to officers killed in the line of duty in Chicago and the northern suburbs. "

its clear your ignorant of the facts,,,

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Two nights ago, the Great Patriot, Defender of Kenosha, and Guardian of the Republic, Kyle Rittenhouse, suppressed an unlawful riot in Kenosha where countless businesses have been burnt down, looted and forced out of business.

The police were no where to be found, unable to act and carry out their function of maintaining Law and Order.

So the citizens of the area took up arms, exercising their Second Amendment right to suppress violent riot, arson and looting and to suppress a communist insurrection.

It's almost as if the far left wants to take our Second Amendment rights so they can abolish the police and then rain chaos upon our communities (problem, reaction...solution?), and then institute their new police force under the flag of communism to restore civilization.

So what he did was legal?

Absolutely. He should also be awarded the Medal of Freedom.

If it turns out that what he did was illegal, would you support appropriate jail time?

I think he should have is gun ownership rights taken away....because it's clear he didn't handle himself well.
If it was me...I wouldn't be there in the first place.
But if I had to be there, I guarantee that there would be alot more bodies to clean up.

He handled himself fine.

The Great Patriot, Defender of Kenosha and Guardian of Republic, Kyle Rittenhouse, will be acquitted by a Jury of his Peers, the townsfolk of Kenosha who have suffered immense harm by the hands of Rioters, Rapists, Arsonists, Looters and Thugs.

No, he will not be acquitted and will be in your old cell in prison.

He'll likely be acquitted of unlawful killing...but convicted of carrying a firearm while under the legal age to do so. In fact I suspect he'll be allowed to plead to that and it will be settled.

And don't forget interstate flight to avoid prosecution.

There is no avoiding prosecution if you call the police yourself.

 

[candycorn]

Two nights ago, the Great Patriot, Defender of Kenosha, and Guardian of the Republic, Kyle Rittenhouse, suppressed an unlawful riot in Kenosha where countless businesses have been burnt down, looted and forced out of business.

The police were no where to be found, unable to act and carry out their function of maintaining Law and Order.

So the citizens of the area took up arms, exercising their Second Amendment right to suppress violent riot, arson and looting and to suppress a communist insurrection.

It's almost as if the far left wants to take our Second Amendment rights so they can abolish the police and then rain chaos upon our communities (problem, reaction...solution?), and then institute their new police force under the flag of communism to restore civilization.

So what he did was legal?

Absolutely. He should also be awarded the Medal of Freedom.

If it turns out that what he did was illegal, would you support appropriate jail time?

I think he should have is gun ownership rights taken away....because it's clear he didn't handle himself well.
If it was me...I wouldn't be there in the first place.
But if I had to be there, I guarantee that there would be alot more bodies to clean up.

He handled himself fine.

The Great Patriot, Defender of Kenosha and Guardian of Republic, Kyle Rittenhouse, will be acquitted by a Jury of his Peers, the townsfolk of Kenosha who have suffered immense harm by the hands of Rioters, Rapists, Arsonists, Looters and Thugs.

No, he will not be acquitted and will be in your old cell in prison.

He'll likely be acquitted of unlawful killing...but convicted of carrying a firearm while under the legal age to do so. In fact I suspect he'll be allowed to plead to that and it will be settled.

And don't forget interstate flight to avoid prosecution.

That's harsh. he had a curfew at home. had he missed it, he might have lost his Playstation privileges.

He drives across state lines, brings his gun, shoots people, then goes back home.

As a junior police cadet...you'd think he would have waited for the adulation from the officers.

Kenosha Shooting Suspect Fervently Supported 'Blue Lives,' Joined Local Militia

The 17-year-old accused of killing two was a police youth cadet in the Chicago suburbs. He said on social media that he went to Wisconsin to assist police.

www.npr.org

" In addition to his participation as a youth police cadet in Lake County, his social media posts showed Rittenhouse was a staunch law-enforcement supporter who had posted tributes to officers killed in the line of duty in Chicago and the northern suburbs. "

its clear your ignorant of the facts,,,

What facts did I get wrong. Be specific.

 

[progressive hunter]

So the citizens of the area took up arms, exercising their Second Amendment right to suppress violent riot, arson and looting and to suppress a communist insurrection.

That’s wrong. Citizens do not have a right to do law enforcement by shooting people when their lives are not endanger you fool. Suspected theft Is not a valid reason to execute people. You’re imbecilic remarks are rediculous.

the second amendment gives people the right to SELF. Defense and the defense of life, not to execute people otherwise you fool......that’s why we arrest people first and give them due process.

Wisconsin has a statute called Castle Doctrine. Please inform yourself of their laws, etc., before you embarrass yourself further.

Your rationale would be eaten up in a court of law.

what was rittenhouse's castle, perfessor?

his body dumbass,,,,

An example for you Red Doper Diaper Baby played out in the Cheese State.

How gosh darn hard is it to investigate something then provide feedback?

i already did that. it's your turn as you obviously do not understand what a castle is and why it does not apply here. your co-moron is ahead of you and tried to define his body as a castle. fail.

What did it say?

it defines the castle. now please show the class where rittenhouse's castle was.

I posted the law,,now read it and shut up,,,

no. you posted a link you did not understand.

I understand simple english,,,you obviously dont,,,


Self-Defense and the Castle Doctrine
Wisconsin law allows deadly force in self-defense in the limited circumstances where the person defending themselves “reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm” to their person.Oct 30, 2014
Wisconsin Court Clarifies New Self-Defense Rule

you are obviously not capable of understanding the legal text. funny that you cannot even understand the boiled down explanation in your own source.

"The Castle Doctrine is a special change to that rule that applies when a person is in their home, car, or place of business, and someone either has forcefully entered their home or is in the process of doing so."

not according to the wisconsin supreme court as I posted,,,


Self-Defense and the Castle Doctrine
Wisconsin law allows deadly force in self-defense in the limited circumstances where the person defending themselves “reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm” to their person.Oct 30, 2014
Wisconsin Court Clarifies New Self-Defense Rule

instead of reposting the same stuff, you should read it. get someone to explain it to you. you clearly need help.

it clearly says "ANY PERSON" AND DOESNT MENTION HOUSE OR BUSINESS,,,

YOU LOSE,,,dismissed,,,

i quoted the legal text. and bolded the relevant parts. dwelling, motor vehicle, place of business. That’s when the expanded self-defense protection applies. that does not mean that there is no right to self-defense. ok, it is longer than a tweet, but if you can read, then the law defines it clearly.

and I posted the clarification from their supreme court,,

now go play with some dolls or something because youve already bored me

the wi supreme court clarified that even the castle doctrine does not give carte blanche to shoot at people once they are outside of the castle. have some self-respect and try to understand your own source.

I never said it did,,,

so why did you post this source repeatedly. it is not relevant.

HUH???

can you stay on one train of thought please,,,

I never said he had carte blanche to shoot anybody he wants,,,but he can to save his life, which is what he did,,,

dude, give it up already. it's abundantly clear that you do not understand the castle doctrine. you also do not understand that your source does nothing to support you.

a non-moron would have realized that the castle doctrine does not apply. rittenhouse will have to rely on his lawyers arguing for self-defense without the castle doctrine crutch. BECAUSE RITTENHOUSE HAD NO CASTLE IN KENOSHA.

not according to their supreme court,,,