Why Is The GOP Senate So Afraid To Call Witnesses??

[Mac-7]

like what? When did Obama use his presidency and power to solicit a foreign president to make an announcement on CNN to the whole world, that the foreign gvt was opening an investigation in to the president's upcoming election political rival?

the president's goal was to out the whistleblower so he and his attack dogs could go after him in a personal way...

it's important to make WB's feel at ease with reporting all kinds of wrong doings of our gvt. Being anonymous, as with any anonymous tip line, is important. If not for any one single tip or complaint, but for the overall program that ends up saving us billions in fraud and corruption within the gvt... so if we can, we promise anonymity.

In this case, the whistle blower IS NOT NEEDED and CAN NOT exonerate the president, can not give the president any kind of a defense because there are 17 other sworn 1st and 2nd hand witnesses that showed up, who substantiated what was in the complaint,

along with the IG, who in his investigation FOUND the WB complaint credible and urgent. the IG said he spoke directly with FIRST HAND witnesses that confirmed the complaint.

if the IG found that the WB complaint had no legs, it would not have been pegged by the IG as credible and urgent... or gone forward. Not all or not even near all WB complaints are found credible... many DIE an early death after the IG investigates them.

So, this bulloney on not letting the president call witnesses is nothing but Trump obfuscating.... it was not a defense at all.

and not meant to be a defense.... just a smear and vengeance he could bring towards the WB and the whole WB program that is very beneficial to the USA...

ONLY CROOKS AND THE CORRUPT, hate it and work to destroy it.

Obama and his attorney general knowingly sold semi automatic weapons to the mexican drug gangs

That was an impeachable offense

why was it impeachable, in your opinion?

was it cheating? was it self dealing? was it self enriching? was it abusing his power?

or was it a crappy, imperfect, policy decision?

They sold nothing.
They allowed illegal cross border sales so they could track them.

This is sound policy when trying to break up smuggling operations. Let so go through to see where they go.

It was a local office effort & a local office botched plan.

They allowed sales that they knew were going to cross the border and end up in the hands of narco terrorists and that they KNEW they couldn't track! The Bush Administration attempted to track gun running across the board with the full cooperation of the Mexican Government but stopped the program when they realized that they couldn't track those weapons. The Obama Administration didn't inform the Mexican Government about what they were doing with Fast & Furious. Why? Because they never intended to track the weapons!

Actually, they thought they could track them. If they couldn't track them, why do the program?

What is stupid is you NRA fed morons who permitted people to buy AR-15 40 at a time, no questions asked. THAT is fucking stupid.

The White House & the DOJ was not driving this operation.

Obama knew they could not track the weapons

 

[RealDave]

Obama and his attorney general knowingly sold semi automatic weapons to the mexican drug gangs

That was an impeachable offense

why was it impeachable, in your opinion?

was it cheating? was it self dealing? was it self enriching? was it abusing his power?

or was it a crappy, imperfect, policy decision?

They sold nothing.
They allowed illegal cross border sales so they could track them.

This is sound policy when trying to break up smuggling operations. Let so go through to see where they go.

It was a local office effort & a local office botched plan.

They allowed sales that they knew were going to cross the border and end up in the hands of narco terrorists and that they KNEW they couldn't track! The Bush Administration attempted to track gun running across the board with the full cooperation of the Mexican Government but stopped the program when they realized that they couldn't track those weapons. The Obama Administration didn't inform the Mexican Government about what they were doing with Fast & Furious. Why? Because they never intended to track the weapons!

Actually, they thought they could track them. If they couldn't track them, why do the program?

What is stupid is you NRA fed morons who permitted people to buy AR-15 40 at a time, no questions asked. THAT is fucking stupid.

The White House & the DOJ was not driving this operation.

Obama knew they could not track the weapons

Obama did not know the operation was happening.

No one would set up an operation knowing it would fail. Quit being so fucking stupid.

 

[RealDave]

Says WHO? Although they may not have had any F-ups, wasn't it also done under President Bush2 policy as well?

Yes

it was a stupid idea that did not work and was terminated

obama comes along and does it again after it has already been demonstrated not to work

See, that's a case that perhaps could be made, if a charge could be made against them... and if congress truly believed it was illegal as you claimed previously, what congress should have done is insisted on Eric Holder recusing himself as AG over this case and had the DOJ appoint a Special Counsel, to investigate any criminality.... imo.

but see, because it was policy, another likely route would be a suit against them, claiming it was unconstitutional for them to do this, perhaps? the good Lord knows, Republicans and their groups sued the Obama admin for absolutely everything.... they won some of those suits and lost some of those suits....

but with God as my witness, this issue with what president Trump has done, is not about US Policy differences... or making a mistake with US Policy....

it is about him self dealing, cheating, abusing his power for his own personal and political benefit, above US Policy of which he takes an oath of office to always put above his own or anyone else's.

And even though he got caught on this one, what else is he doing in his presidential position to self deal himself? What else has he done already?

Now maybe the president can have some first hand witnesses that help him claim it was not self dealing...? But he has YET to do that.....

You have it backwards here. Its up to the Liberals to PROVE it was self-dealing. Not for the President to prove it wasn't. I see libs hypothesizing that President Trump did this for political benefit, but where is the smoking gun? Where is the letter from President Trump explaining how they were going to take Sleepy Joe out like this?

There is none. And that's the point.

In actuality, you have President Trump tweeting how much he actually would love to face a slow witted dullard like Biden. It would seem there is no motivation for the supposed motive.

They already have probable cause it in the house, and will do so in the Senate to even a higher burden and degree, beyond a reasonable doubt..... imo, from what they have gathered and will gather.

the issue is, will trump have a defense to what they prove beyond a reasonable doubt?

And it does not appear that he does, at this moment.... but we will see what his defense presents in the trial to counter the prosecution's evidence....

It is the House’s job to investigate BEFORE impeaching

Not afterward

They did & had enough evidence to impeach him.

 

[RealDave]

like what? When did Obama use his presidency and power to solicit a foreign president to make an announcement on CNN to the whole world, that the foreign gvt was opening an investigation in to the president's upcoming election political rival?

the president's goal was to out the whistleblower so he and his attack dogs could go after him in a personal way...

it's important to make WB's feel at ease with reporting all kinds of wrong doings of our gvt. Being anonymous, as with any anonymous tip line, is important. If not for any one single tip or complaint, but for the overall program that ends up saving us billions in fraud and corruption within the gvt... so if we can, we promise anonymity.

In this case, the whistle blower IS NOT NEEDED and CAN NOT exonerate the president, can not give the president any kind of a defense because there are 17 other sworn 1st and 2nd hand witnesses that showed up, who substantiated what was in the complaint,

along with the IG, who in his investigation FOUND the WB complaint credible and urgent. the IG said he spoke directly with FIRST HAND witnesses that confirmed the complaint.

if the IG found that the WB complaint had no legs, it would not have been pegged by the IG as credible and urgent... or gone forward. Not all or not even near all WB complaints are found credible... many DIE an early death after the IG investigates them.

So, this bulloney on not letting the president call witnesses is nothing but Trump obfuscating.... it was not a defense at all.

and not meant to be a defense.... just a smear and vengeance he could bring towards the WB and the whole WB program that is very beneficial to the USA...

ONLY CROOKS AND THE CORRUPT, hate it and work to destroy it.

Obama and his attorney general knowingly sold semi automatic weapons to the mexican drug gangs

That was an impeachable offense

why was it impeachable, in your opinion?

was it cheating? was it self dealing? was it self enriching? was it abusing his power?

or was it a crappy, imperfect, policy decision?

They sold nothing.
They allowed illegal cross border sales so they could track them.

This is sound policy when trying to break up smuggling operations. Let so go through to see where they go.

It was a local office effort & a local office botched plan.

They allowed sales that they knew were going to cross the border and end up in the hands of narco terrorists and that they KNEW they couldn't track! The Bush Administration attempted to track gun running across the board with the full cooperation of the Mexican Government but stopped the program when they realized that they couldn't track those weapons. The Obama Administration didn't inform the Mexican Government about what they were doing with Fast & Furious. Why? Because they never intended to track the weapons!

The best and most logical explanation is that they want murders to increase which the lib media would use to demand tougher gun laws

But someone blew the whistle on the whole sordid scheme

You assfucks refused to do anything when American children were being slaughtered.

Why would anyone thgnk you cared about Mexicans?

 

[RealDave]

why was it impeachable, in your opinion?

was it cheating? was it self dealing? was it self enriching? was it abusing his power?

or was it a crappy, imperfect, policy decision?

Gun running is a crime

Says WHO? Although they may not have had any F-ups, wasn't it also done under President Bush2 policy as well?

Yes

it was a stupid idea that did not work and was terminated

obama comes along and does it again after it has already been demonstrated not to work

See, that's a case that perhaps could be made, if a charge could be made against them... and if congress truly believed it was illegal as you claimed previously, what congress should have done is insisted on Eric Holder recusing himself as AG over this case and had the DOJ appoint a Special Counsel, to investigate any criminality.... imo.

but see, because it was policy, another likely route would be a suit against them, claiming it was unconstitutional for them to do this, perhaps? the good Lord knows, Republicans and their groups sued the Obama admin for absolutely everything.... they won some of those suits and lost some of those suits....

but with God as my witness, this issue with what president Trump has done, is not about US Policy differences... or making a mistake with US Policy....

it is about him self dealing, cheating, abusing his power for his own personal and political benefit, above US Policy of which he takes an oath of office to always put above his own or anyone else's.

And even though he got caught on this one, what else is he doing in his presidential position to self deal himself? What else has he done already?

Now maybe the president can have some first hand witnesses that help him claim it was not self dealing...? But he has YET to do that.....

You are completely wrong

Biden is only coincidently running for president

Before that he was a corrupt vice president enriching his son the bum in ukraine

This has been debunked but hey, why woulds a Trump ass kisser like you care?

 

[RealDave]

If Trump broke so many laws, why weren't real laws broken in the articles of impeachment that seem stuck to Pelosi's little fingers?

It is illegal to bribe foreign officials to get them to help you with your campaign.

Why is that so difficult to get?

 

[RealDave]

So you don’t see it as 100% political theater?

This is about the US Constitution. This is about the law.

The ones playing politics are the Republicans.

Oh, bullshit! This was never about "the law"! This was always about removing Donald Trump no matter what! Pelosi, Nadler, Schiff and Schumer know that Trump hasn't done anything that most Presidents before him have done...impeaching him on some vague "abuse of power" charge is farcical! This is a political maneuver because the Democrats are terrified that their candidates suck and that Trump is doing such a good job with the economy that he's going to get reelected. What's happening now is the very definition of political theatre!

This is 100% about Trump breaking the law.

If Obama would have done similar, Republicans would have impeached him.

Trump is a crook & is fucking over America & you are too stupid to see it.

The expe t GDP growth this yerar is 2.3%

You assfucks were dancing naked around the fire when Obama would have such a rate. Where is that promised 4%?

If the stupid fat ass fuck can't lower the deficit in the best economy ever, when is he?

LMAO

I disagree. Bush lied about WMDs and cost us 1000s of lives an trillions of dollars and he was not impeached.

If Bush lied about WMD so did a hell of a lot of democrats:

Democrat Quotes on WMD

A small snippet:

Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade and much of his nation's wealth not on providing for the Iraqi people but on developing nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."
-- President Bill Clinton (State of the Union Address), Jan. 27, 1998

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing. He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators.""Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

You rtupid fucks learn nothing. Not this argumenmt again.

It is one thong to thing there is sufficient evidence to vote for a bill to go after Sadam's activities through sanctions etc, a bill that said no war.

And Bush lying to go to war.

You people are too fucking stupid to be alive.

 

[RealDave]

You've been shown, lying con tool. Keep in mind, you call claim the Impeached Trump lowered the unemployment rate even before he became president and before he passed any policies.

Actually he did. The positive vibes that Trump created throughout the business world after his vanquishing of Hillary, helped the economy immensely even before inauguration.

The business community realized that the large dark night of Obamunism was over and it was dawn in America.

In other words I can't point to nothing specifically, it's just Trump the Messiah that has made all wholesome and good in America.

Getting rid of burdensome regulations and passing tax cuts stimulated the economy. Business responds when they see opportunity. They pull back when they see an Administration that's erecting barriers to growth.

If all these good times started under Pres. Obama your theory is trash.

But they didn't start until the people saw that the Obama Regime was over on Election Day 2016. Trump's election gave the people REAL hope, not the phony hope that Obama promised.

I remember the date of Obama's Immaculation, 20 January 2009.

The liberals, and especially the black liberals, thought their ship had come in. They felt they were finally would be living on Easy Street as the brother ascended the American throne. A lot of joy that day that people were feeling.

The Obama Program was a complete failure however. All he provided was free money, free phones, free food. Kept the people on the Democrat Plantation.

So in 2016 we were still losing 800,000 jobs a month, had a shrinking economy, and the unemployment rate was 10%.

 

[Mac-7]

why was it impeachable, in your opinion?

was it cheating? was it self dealing? was it self enriching? was it abusing his power?

or was it a crappy, imperfect, policy decision?

They sold nothing.
They allowed illegal cross border sales so they could track them.

This is sound policy when trying to break up smuggling operations. Let so go through to see where they go.

It was a local office effort & a local office botched plan.

They allowed sales that they knew were going to cross the border and end up in the hands of narco terrorists and that they KNEW they couldn't track! The Bush Administration attempted to track gun running across the board with the full cooperation of the Mexican Government but stopped the program when they realized that they couldn't track those weapons. The Obama Administration didn't inform the Mexican Government about what they were doing with Fast & Furious. Why? Because they never intended to track the weapons!

Actually, they thought they could track them. If they couldn't track them, why do the program?

What is stupid is you NRA fed morons who permitted people to buy AR-15 40 at a time, no questions asked. THAT is fucking stupid.

The White House & the DOJ was not driving this operation.

Obama knew they could not track the weapons

Obama did not know the operation was happening.

No one would set up an operation knowing it would fail. Quit being so fucking stupid.

Obama has a failsafe with eric holder as his wingman

who will never squeal of his patron

so it has never been proven that fast and furious reached as high as the white house

but it did reach holder who was held in Contempt of Congress

 

[Mac-7]

Yes

it was a stupid idea that did not work and was terminated

obama comes along and does it again after it has already been demonstrated not to work

See, that's a case that perhaps could be made, if a charge could be made against them... and if congress truly believed it was illegal as you claimed previously, what congress should have done is insisted on Eric Holder recusing himself as AG over this case and had the DOJ appoint a Special Counsel, to investigate any criminality.... imo.

but see, because it was policy, another likely route would be a suit against them, claiming it was unconstitutional for them to do this, perhaps? the good Lord knows, Republicans and their groups sued the Obama admin for absolutely everything.... they won some of those suits and lost some of those suits....

but with God as my witness, this issue with what president Trump has done, is not about US Policy differences... or making a mistake with US Policy....

it is about him self dealing, cheating, abusing his power for his own personal and political benefit, above US Policy of which he takes an oath of office to always put above his own or anyone else's.

And even though he got caught on this one, what else is he doing in his presidential position to self deal himself? What else has he done already?

Now maybe the president can have some first hand witnesses that help him claim it was not self dealing...? But he has YET to do that.....

You have it backwards here. Its up to the Liberals to PROVE it was self-dealing. Not for the President to prove it wasn't. I see libs hypothesizing that President Trump did this for political benefit, but where is the smoking gun? Where is the letter from President Trump explaining how they were going to take Sleepy Joe out like this?

There is none. And that's the point.

In actuality, you have President Trump tweeting how much he actually would love to face a slow witted dullard like Biden. It would seem there is no motivation for the supposed motive.

They already have probable cause it in the house, and will do so in the Senate to even a higher burden and degree, beyond a reasonable doubt..... imo, from what they have gathered and will gather.

the issue is, will trump have a defense to what they prove beyond a reasonable doubt?

And it does not appear that he does, at this moment.... but we will see what his defense presents in the trial to counter the prosecution's evidence....

It is the House’s job to investigate BEFORE impeaching

Not afterward

They did & had enough evidence to impeach him.

Obviously not since dems want to continue the investigation in the senate that they should have done in the house

 

[Persistence Of Memory]

Democrats Are Daring Mitch McConnell to Call Impeachment Witnesses

Less than a couple of months ago -- Trump's BFF at Fox & Friends said this....

"If the president said, I'll give you the money, but you've got to investigate Joe Biden, that'd be off the rails wrong" --- and thru the UNDER OATH TESTIMONIES of Trump's own officials, they proved that is exactly what happened....and what did Steve Doocy do?? Pretend that he never said what he said, why?? Because he and most other Trumpers are full of shit.....

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And in the spirit of being full of shit, Mitch McConnell doesn't want to call any witnesses..even tho Trump wants to have a long drawn out trial with lots of witnesses, even tho Democrats wants to call witnesses who Trump claims will exonerate him -- it is the GOP who is refusing to call any witnesses, why??

"Chuck Schumer on Thursday tore into Mitch McConnell for “breaking precedent” in announcing he will be in lock step with Donald Trump’s legal team throughout an impeachment trial, accusing him of helping the president skirt accountability. “We ask: Is the president’s case so weak that none of the president’s men can defend him under oath?” Schumer said on the Senate floor, after McConnell dismissed the historic vote to impeach Trump as a “partisan crusade.” “If the House case is so weak, why is Leader McConnell so afraid of witnesses and documents?”

For months, all I have seen from you trumpers was "just wait until it gets to the Senate, then Trump can present his case" …"just wait until Trump presents his secret evidence that will totally own the Dems" --

Witnesses were called in the last impeachment trial, why not this one?? Why aren't you demanding that the GOP Senate Leader give Trump what he claims he wants?? Or is this tough talk about witnesses and evidence just shit he tells yall -- even tho both you and he knows all of yall are full of shit...

Because Durham is doing it for them.

 

[Mac-7]

Gun running is a crime

Says WHO? Although they may not have had any F-ups, wasn't it also done under President Bush2 policy as well?

Yes

it was a stupid idea that did not work and was terminated

obama comes along and does it again after it has already been demonstrated not to work

See, that's a case that perhaps could be made, if a charge could be made against them... and if congress truly believed it was illegal as you claimed previously, what congress should have done is insisted on Eric Holder recusing himself as AG over this case and had the DOJ appoint a Special Counsel, to investigate any criminality.... imo.

but see, because it was policy, another likely route would be a suit against them, claiming it was unconstitutional for them to do this, perhaps? the good Lord knows, Republicans and their groups sued the Obama admin for absolutely everything.... they won some of those suits and lost some of those suits....

but with God as my witness, this issue with what president Trump has done, is not about US Policy differences... or making a mistake with US Policy....

it is about him self dealing, cheating, abusing his power for his own personal and political benefit, above US Policy of which he takes an oath of office to always put above his own or anyone else's.

And even though he got caught on this one, what else is he doing in his presidential position to self deal himself? What else has he done already?

Now maybe the president can have some first hand witnesses that help him claim it was not self dealing...? But he has YET to do that.....

You are completely wrong

Biden is only coincidently running for president

Before that he was a corrupt vice president enriching his son the bum in ukraine

This has been debunked but hey, why woulds a Trump ass kisser like you care?

As usual, when libs lose the debate they turn to personal insults

 

[Polishprince]

Actually he did. The positive vibes that Trump created throughout the business world after his vanquishing of Hillary, helped the economy immensely even before inauguration.

The business community realized that the large dark night of Obamunism was over and it was dawn in America.

In other words I can't point to nothing specifically, it's just Trump the Messiah that has made all wholesome and good in America.

Getting rid of burdensome regulations and passing tax cuts stimulated the economy. Business responds when they see opportunity. They pull back when they see an Administration that's erecting barriers to growth.

If all these good times started under Pres. Obama your theory is trash.

But they didn't start until the people saw that the Obama Regime was over on Election Day 2016. Trump's election gave the people REAL hope, not the phony hope that Obama promised.

I remember the date of Obama's Immaculation, 20 January 2009.

The liberals, and especially the black liberals, thought their ship had come in. They felt they were finally would be living on Easy Street as the brother ascended the American throne. A lot of joy that day that people were feeling.

The Obama Program was a complete failure however. All he provided was free money, free phones, free food. Kept the people on the Democrat Plantation.

So in 2016 we were still losing 800,000 jobs a month, had a shrinking economy, and the unemployment rate was 10%.

No, in 2009 Obama gave us double digit unemployment

And the most jobs lost in a month under Dubya was less than 600,000

 

[Polishprince]

Says WHO? Although they may not have had any F-ups, wasn't it also done under President Bush2 policy as well?

Yes

it was a stupid idea that did not work and was terminated

obama comes along and does it again after it has already been demonstrated not to work

See, that's a case that perhaps could be made, if a charge could be made against them... and if congress truly believed it was illegal as you claimed previously, what congress should have done is insisted on Eric Holder recusing himself as AG over this case and had the DOJ appoint a Special Counsel, to investigate any criminality.... imo.

but see, because it was policy, another likely route would be a suit against them, claiming it was unconstitutional for them to do this, perhaps? the good Lord knows, Republicans and their groups sued the Obama admin for absolutely everything.... they won some of those suits and lost some of those suits....

but with God as my witness, this issue with what president Trump has done, is not about US Policy differences... or making a mistake with US Policy....

it is about him self dealing, cheating, abusing his power for his own personal and political benefit, above US Policy of which he takes an oath of office to always put above his own or anyone else's.

And even though he got caught on this one, what else is he doing in his presidential position to self deal himself? What else has he done already?

Now maybe the president can have some first hand witnesses that help him claim it was not self dealing...? But he has YET to do that.....

You have it backwards here. Its up to the Liberals to PROVE it was self-dealing. Not for the President to prove it wasn't. I see libs hypothesizing that President Trump did this for political benefit, but where is the smoking gun? Where is the letter from President Trump explaining how they were going to take Sleepy Joe out like this?

There is none. And that's the point.

In actuality, you have President Trump tweeting how much he actually would love to face a slow witted dullard like Biden. It would seem there is no motivation for the supposed motive.

They already have probable cause it in the house, and will do so in the Senate to even a higher burden and degree, beyond a reasonable doubt..... imo, from what they have gathered and will gather.

the issue is, will trump have a defense to what they prove beyond a reasonable doubt?

And it does not appear that he does, at this moment.... but we will see what his defense presents in the trial to counter the prosecution's evidence....

It is the House’s job to investigate BEFORE impeaching

Not afterward

The Senate isn't going to investigate, its not their job.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

In other words I can't point to nothing specifically, it's just Trump the Messiah that has made all wholesome and good in America.

Getting rid of burdensome regulations and passing tax cuts stimulated the economy. Business responds when they see opportunity. They pull back when they see an Administration that's erecting barriers to growth.

If all these good times started under Pres. Obama your theory is trash.

But they didn't start until the people saw that the Obama Regime was over on Election Day 2016. Trump's election gave the people REAL hope, not the phony hope that Obama promised.

I remember the date of Obama's Immaculation, 20 January 2009.

The liberals, and especially the black liberals, thought their ship had come in. They felt they were finally would be living on Easy Street as the brother ascended the American throne. A lot of joy that day that people were feeling.

The Obama Program was a complete failure however. All he provided was free money, free phones, free food. Kept the people on the Democrat Plantation.

So in 2016 we were still losing 800,000 jobs a month, had a shrinking economy, and the unemployment rate was 10%.

No, in 2009 Obama gave us double digit unemployment

And the most jobs lost in a month under Dubya was less than 600,000

Are you serious, the man was given a recession and high unemployment when he took office in January 2009.

 

[Oldstyle]

why was it impeachable, in your opinion?

was it cheating? was it self dealing? was it self enriching? was it abusing his power?

or was it a crappy, imperfect, policy decision?

They sold nothing.
They allowed illegal cross border sales so they could track them.

This is sound policy when trying to break up smuggling operations. Let so go through to see where they go.

It was a local office effort & a local office botched plan.

They allowed sales that they knew were going to cross the border and end up in the hands of narco terrorists and that they KNEW they couldn't track! The Bush Administration attempted to track gun running across the board with the full cooperation of the Mexican Government but stopped the program when they realized that they couldn't track those weapons. The Obama Administration didn't inform the Mexican Government about what they were doing with Fast & Furious. Why? Because they never intended to track the weapons!

Actually, they thought they could track them. If they couldn't track them, why do the program?

What is stupid is you NRA fed morons who permitted people to buy AR-15 40 at a time, no questions asked. THAT is fucking stupid.

The White House & the DOJ was not driving this operation.

Obama knew they could not track the weapons

Obama did not know the operation was happening.

No one would set up an operation knowing it would fail. Quit being so fucking stupid.

Of course they knew it would fail! It had already been tried by the Bush Administration and the program was stopped because it FAILED! So why on earth would anyone revive it? It obviously wasn't to track guns. They didn't even try to do that. They WANTED guns to be taken across the border! They WANTED those guns to end up in the hands of Narco terrorists! What they DIDN'T want was for Fast & Furious to be exposed...something that happened when Border Patrol Agent Terry was killed by one of the weapons that the Obama Administration allowed to cross the border! They attempted to create a problem so that they could then call for tighter gun controls here in the US. The end justified the means...right up until Terry was murdered and his fellow Border Patrol agents started talking to members of Congress about Fast & Furious. Only then was the program suspended.

 

[Oldstyle]

Getting rid of burdensome regulations and passing tax cuts stimulated the economy. Business responds when they see opportunity. They pull back when they see an Administration that's erecting barriers to growth.

If all these good times started under Pres. Obama your theory is trash.

But they didn't start until the people saw that the Obama Regime was over on Election Day 2016. Trump's election gave the people REAL hope, not the phony hope that Obama promised.

I remember the date of Obama's Immaculation, 20 January 2009.

The liberals, and especially the black liberals, thought their ship had come in. They felt they were finally would be living on Easy Street as the brother ascended the American throne. A lot of joy that day that people were feeling.

The Obama Program was a complete failure however. All he provided was free money, free phones, free food. Kept the people on the Democrat Plantation.

So in 2016 we were still losing 800,000 jobs a month, had a shrinking economy, and the unemployment rate was 10%.

No, in 2009 Obama gave us double digit unemployment

And the most jobs lost in a month under Dubya was less than 600,000

Are you serious, the man was given a recession and high unemployment when he took office in January 2009.

He was indeed and he took that recession and turned it into the slowest recovery from a recession since FDR was sitting in the Oval Office! Barack Obama was "Superbad" at economics!

 

[Polishprince]

If all these good times started under Pres. Obama your theory is trash.

But they didn't start until the people saw that the Obama Regime was over on Election Day 2016. Trump's election gave the people REAL hope, not the phony hope that Obama promised.

I remember the date of Obama's Immaculation, 20 January 2009.

The liberals, and especially the black liberals, thought their ship had come in. They felt they were finally would be living on Easy Street as the brother ascended the American throne. A lot of joy that day that people were feeling.

The Obama Program was a complete failure however. All he provided was free money, free phones, free food. Kept the people on the Democrat Plantation.

So in 2016 we were still losing 800,000 jobs a month, had a shrinking economy, and the unemployment rate was 10%.

No, in 2009 Obama gave us double digit unemployment

And the most jobs lost in a month under Dubya was less than 600,000

Are you serious, the man was given a recession and high unemployment when he took office in January 2009.

He was indeed and he took that recession and turned it into the slowest recovery from a recession since FDR was sitting in the Oval Office! Barack Obama was "Superbad" at economics!

FDR's record on his economic downturn was more pitiful that B. Hussein O.

Roosevelt inherited the economic downturn in March 1933 when he was inaugurated, and it took Hirohito pulling a Pearl Harbor job on us in Hawaii in December 1941. 8 years and 8 months of dramatically high unemployment.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

If all these good times started under Pres. Obama your theory is trash.

But they didn't start until the people saw that the Obama Regime was over on Election Day 2016. Trump's election gave the people REAL hope, not the phony hope that Obama promised.

I remember the date of Obama's Immaculation, 20 January 2009.

The liberals, and especially the black liberals, thought their ship had come in. They felt they were finally would be living on Easy Street as the brother ascended the American throne. A lot of joy that day that people were feeling.

The Obama Program was a complete failure however. All he provided was free money, free phones, free food. Kept the people on the Democrat Plantation.

So in 2016 we were still losing 800,000 jobs a month, had a shrinking economy, and the unemployment rate was 10%.

No, in 2009 Obama gave us double digit unemployment

And the most jobs lost in a month under Dubya was less than 600,000

Are you serious, the man was given a recession and high unemployment when he took office in January 2009.

He was indeed and he took that recession and turned it into the slowest recovery from a recession since FDR was sitting in the Oval Office! Barack Obama was "Superbad" at economics!

….and yet when he handed it to Trump every facet was thriving well. Now tell us specifically what Trump did to turn around a good thing that was given to him.

 

[Polishprince]

But they didn't start until the people saw that the Obama Regime was over on Election Day 2016. Trump's election gave the people REAL hope, not the phony hope that Obama promised.

I remember the date of Obama's Immaculation, 20 January 2009.

The liberals, and especially the black liberals, thought their ship had come in. They felt they were finally would be living on Easy Street as the brother ascended the American throne. A lot of joy that day that people were feeling.

The Obama Program was a complete failure however. All he provided was free money, free phones, free food. Kept the people on the Democrat Plantation.

So in 2016 we were still losing 800,000 jobs a month, had a shrinking economy, and the unemployment rate was 10%.

No, in 2009 Obama gave us double digit unemployment

And the most jobs lost in a month under Dubya was less than 600,000

Are you serious, the man was given a recession and high unemployment when he took office in January 2009.

He was indeed and he took that recession and turned it into the slowest recovery from a recession since FDR was sitting in the Oval Office! Barack Obama was "Superbad" at economics!

….and yet when he handed it to Trump every facet was thriving well. Now tell us specifically what Trump did to turn around a good thing that was given to him.

Actually, it wasn't. Donald Trump estimated that we had 90 million unemployed in 2016, the markets were significantly lower and unemployment a lot higher.

Further, had Hillary Clinton been elected, we'd be looking at close to double digit unemployment and a Dow at 6000. The Democrat idea was economic malaise, so that people would be open to new government programs.