Why isn't Mick Jagger having his heart surgery in the U.K. with the National Health Service?

[RealDave]

That's really not true. Costs for traditionally non-covered medical services like Lasik surgery, abortions, boob jobs and sex changes have been kept under control and have even gone down. The basic law of economics is that if there is more money chasing goods or services, the price will rise.

Its a similar thing in education. The price of tuition has risen through the roof as funding for loans has gone up.

None of the services you listed are essential so it is a free market. If the price is too high for that boob job, you just shop around or don't do it. If you need insulin and it is only manufactured by a few companies you don't get to shop around. If you go to an emergency room you don't shop around.

Education is different so you may be right about that.

It's not *free market* if it has been invaded and controlled by the government.

Lying again.

Which part of a boob job has been invaded and controlled by the government?

the part that requires boob doctors to pay for malpractice insurance.

OMG OMG OMG Fire everyone!!!!! OMG OMG OMG

You are so pathetic. Requiring insurance. Like when you hire a roofer for your house?

 

[hunarcy]

Mick...from the Rolling Stones is having heart surgery.....in New York.....why? Why doesn't he fly back to the U.K....to get on the waiting list, to get on the next list, to schedule the Heart surgery through the British National Health Service.....? Oh yeah....he is in his 70s, so likely he wouldn't qualify for that surgery under the British National Health Service guidelines......right?

Mick Jagger Preparing for Heart Valve Surgery

Because, like all people in the UK he has a choice. Unlike people in the US who if they cant afford private healthcare, have no healthcare (if the Republicans have their way)

Actually, Coyote, if the Dems have their way the people of the USA will no longer have a say in their health care.

That's what Medicare for all means.
Except for the wealthy ruling elite of course, they will have the best care that we the people can pay for.

Which is how the Republicans would have it anyway. So what do you do? IMO the ACA was the best middle solution. Why not fix the problems and make it work?

No, the best solution is to get your hand out of my pocket and let me make my own decisions like an adult.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Mick...from the Rolling Stones is having heart surgery.....in New York.....why? Why doesn't he fly back to the U.K....to get on the waiting list, to get on the next list, to schedule the Heart surgery through the British National Health Service.....? Oh yeah....he is in his 70s, so likely he wouldn't qualify for that surgery under the British National Health Service guidelines......right?

Mick Jagger Preparing for Heart Valve Surgery

Yes, most conservatives are truly this stupid.

 

[hunarcy]

It was stated repeatedly that the Medicaid expansion would be needed to allow the ACA to work as advertised. Republican governors refused the expansion, meaning there was a smaller pool of people to work with, which is why it failed.

And, the only reason the GOP governors did this was because they knew it would cause the ACA to fail, and they did their best to make sure it happened.

The ACA was a partisan written and promoted law and it took John Roberts interpreting the law in a way never intended just to make it legal. Bad idea, bad law, bad precedent.

What do some republican governors owe to Obama and his ACA government take over of the health industry? Absolutely nothing!

IF, as Roberts said, it was a tax, then it was unconstitutional because all revenue bills must originate in the House. ACA originated in the Senate.

 

[Polishprince]

Yes so with the advent of widespread government medical, medical costs skyrocketed.
And so yes, they continued to rise under Obamacare.

Thank you for agreeing.

Despite New Health Law, Some See Sharp Rise in Premiums
One of the main selling points for the ACA was it was supposed to hold down costs imposed by greedy
private insureers. It hasn't!

It was stated repeatedly that the Medicaid expansion would be needed to allow the ACA to work as advertised. Republican governors refused the expansion, meaning there was a smaller pool of people to work with, which is why it failed.

And, the only reason the GOP governors did this was because they knew it would cause the ACA to fail, and they did their best to make sure it happened.

No, some governors didn't want to commit to massive expenditures to expand medicaid. They didn't have the staff or the time to do it.

Further, the ACA was an ultra partisan effort that conservatives had zero input to. The Democrats actually stifled debate and voted against common sense GOP ideas like banning the ACA from providing ED medication to convicted paedophiles.

Lying fuck. Republicans had plenty of input. They were never shut out. If they didn't participate is was their fault.

Wow, stopping boner pills to convicted pedifiles. Major Major point....... An entire reason to not vote for it & then bitch about every waking moment.

The Democrats are the ones who voted to stifle debate on the ACA and end the amendment process, Dave. They didn't want to give the GOP any input or even the Democrat Party rank and file

 

[RealDave]

12. It would be far more difficult for Democrats/Liberals to get away with the lies if they didn’t have the media lying with and for them. MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhle lying about the mythical women’s pay gap to get them the women’s vote. And this:


“AP mocked for report saying Beto O'Rourke spoke at rally 'in his native Spanish' The Associated Press has faced some mocking on social media after a report over the weekend originally said that former Rep. Beto O'Rourke (D-Texas) spoke "in his native Spanish" during a rally.

"O'Rourke also spoke at length in his native Spanish, eliciting loud and sustained cheers," the original AP report from Saturday read.

The 2020 presidential hopeful, whose full name is Robert Francis O'Rourke, is fourth-generation Irish-American.

The report comes after O'Rourke officially launched his campaign in the border town of El Paso in a speech that focused heavily on immigration.

So good, in fact, was his ‘native Spanish’ that the crowds actually thought they’d been magically whisked away to the Emerald Isle with the other native Spanish speakers.”
AP mocked for report saying Beto O'Rourke spoke at rally 'in his native Spanish'





Every pronouncement by the Left/Democrats, we’d find that every part of their agenda is based on one simple concept: they lie.

Every one of ‘em.

Every single time.

They lie about everything.

This from a Trumpette.

If you can't respond to anything, try not responding at all. It's more honorable to admit you don't have an answer, than to pretend you do, and hope no one notices you have nothing to say.

Oh please. A Trump supporter bitching about someone else lying is pathetic. Just like you Pathetic.

Trump lies to you every day to you & you eople keep bending over & saying give me more,.

So STFU about lying. You must all love it.

 

[RealDave]

Yes so with the advent of widespread government medical, medical costs skyrocketed.
And so yes, they continued to rise under Obamacare.

Thank you for agreeing.

Despite New Health Law, Some See Sharp Rise in Premiums
One of the main selling points for the ACA was it was supposed to hold down costs imposed by greedy
private insureers. It hasn't!

It was stated repeatedly that the Medicaid expansion would be needed to allow the ACA to work as advertised. Republican governors refused the expansion, meaning there was a smaller pool of people to work with, which is why it failed.

And, the only reason the GOP governors did this was because they knew it would cause the ACA to fail, and they did their best to make sure it happened.

No, some governors didn't want to commit to massive expenditures to expand medicaid. They didn't have the staff or the time to do it.

Further, the ACA was an ultra partisan effort that conservatives had zero input to. The Democrats actually stifled debate and voted against common sense GOP ideas like banning the ACA from providing ED medication to convicted paedophiles.

Lying fuck. Republicans had plenty of input. They were never shut out. If they didn't participate is was their fault.

Wow, stopping boner pills to convicted pedifiles. Major Major point....... An entire reason to not vote for it & then bitch about every waking moment.

The Democrats are the ones who voted to stifle debate on the ACA and end the amendment process, Dave. They didn't want to give the GOP any input or even the Democrat Party rank and file

Before any bill goes to vote, it has the same procedure.

And before you post again on this subject, get informed. Your lack of facts is embarrassing

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Not funny like ha-ha. More like funny due to incredible idiocy.

 

[Andylusion]

12. It would be far more difficult for Democrats/Liberals to get away with the lies if they didn’t have the media lying with and for them. MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhle lying about the mythical women’s pay gap to get them the women’s vote. And this:


“AP mocked for report saying Beto O'Rourke spoke at rally 'in his native Spanish' The Associated Press has faced some mocking on social media after a report over the weekend originally said that former Rep. Beto O'Rourke (D-Texas) spoke "in his native Spanish" during a rally.

"O'Rourke also spoke at length in his native Spanish, eliciting loud and sustained cheers," the original AP report from Saturday read.

The 2020 presidential hopeful, whose full name is Robert Francis O'Rourke, is fourth-generation Irish-American.

The report comes after O'Rourke officially launched his campaign in the border town of El Paso in a speech that focused heavily on immigration.

So good, in fact, was his ‘native Spanish’ that the crowds actually thought they’d been magically whisked away to the Emerald Isle with the other native Spanish speakers.”
AP mocked for report saying Beto O'Rourke spoke at rally 'in his native Spanish'





Every pronouncement by the Left/Democrats, we’d find that every part of their agenda is based on one simple concept: they lie.

Every one of ‘em.

Every single time.

They lie about everything.

This from a Trumpette.

If you can't respond to anything, try not responding at all. It's more honorable to admit you don't have an answer, than to pretend you do, and hope no one notices you have nothing to say.

Oh please. A Trump supporter bitching about someone else lying is pathetic. Just like you Pathetic.

Trump lies to you every day to you & you eople keep bending over & saying give me more,.

So STFU about lying. You must all love it.

LOL
No, that would be incorrect. I have never supported a liar. Beside, if you are doing to defend your people lying, by saying Trump is lying.... then you by admission of your very own words.... are no better than Trump yourself.

 

[RealDave]

It was stated repeatedly that the Medicaid expansion would be needed to allow the ACA to work as advertised. Republican governors refused the expansion, meaning there was a smaller pool of people to work with, which is why it failed.

And, the only reason the GOP governors did this was because they knew it would cause the ACA to fail, and they did their best to make sure it happened.

The ACA was a partisan written and promoted law and it took John Roberts interpreting the law in a way never intended just to make it legal. Bad idea, bad law, bad precedent.

What do some republican governors owe to Obama and his ACA government take over of the health industry? Absolutely nothing!

IF, as Roberts said, it was a tax, then it was unconstitutional because all revenue bills must originate in the House. ACA originated in the Senate.

So, only non funded bills can originate in the Senate?

 

[RealDave]

12. It would be far more difficult for Democrats/Liberals to get away with the lies if they didn’t have the media lying with and for them. MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhle lying about the mythical women’s pay gap to get them the women’s vote. And this:


“AP mocked for report saying Beto O'Rourke spoke at rally 'in his native Spanish' The Associated Press has faced some mocking on social media after a report over the weekend originally said that former Rep. Beto O'Rourke (D-Texas) spoke "in his native Spanish" during a rally.

"O'Rourke also spoke at length in his native Spanish, eliciting loud and sustained cheers," the original AP report from Saturday read.

The 2020 presidential hopeful, whose full name is Robert Francis O'Rourke, is fourth-generation Irish-American.

The report comes after O'Rourke officially launched his campaign in the border town of El Paso in a speech that focused heavily on immigration.

So good, in fact, was his ‘native Spanish’ that the crowds actually thought they’d been magically whisked away to the Emerald Isle with the other native Spanish speakers.”
AP mocked for report saying Beto O'Rourke spoke at rally 'in his native Spanish'





Every pronouncement by the Left/Democrats, we’d find that every part of their agenda is based on one simple concept: they lie.

Every one of ‘em.

Every single time.

They lie about everything.

This from a Trumpette.

If you can't respond to anything, try not responding at all. It's more honorable to admit you don't have an answer, than to pretend you do, and hope no one notices you have nothing to say.

Oh please. A Trump supporter bitching about someone else lying is pathetic. Just like you Pathetic.

Trump lies to you every day to you & you eople keep bending over & saying give me more,.

So STFU about lying. You must all love it.

LOL
No, that would be incorrect. I have never supported a liar. Beside, if you are doing to defend your people lying, by saying Trump is lying.... then you by admission of your very own words.... are no better than Trump yourself.

Now you claim Trump is not a liar?

Are you claiming not to be a Trump supporter?

 

[hadit]

If You Need Heart Valve Surgery
You're An Ambulatory Dead Man
You Need Surgery As Soon As You're Diagnosed

Like Me

I Was Diagnosed Sat Eve
In Surgery Early Mon Morning

I Don't Know Why My Insurance Company
And the American Health System Is Keeping Me Alive
No One Relies On Me For Their Sustenance
I'm Just Some Ol' Dude

I Was Going To Say Some Other Stuff
But I Won't

Here::

I won't jinx ya by saying "good luck" but I'll tell you what I told a woman going in for heart surgery on another board....pin a note to your gown saying "heart" so they don't take out your gall bladder by mistake. Hang in there...you'll have a lot more energy with your heart working better..

Remember the old joke about the guy who went into the hospital to have a leg removed, and they removed the wrong leg, and then had to take off the other one, too.
And he couldn't sue....'cause he didn't have a leg to stand on.

It would be funny if it weren't true.

I know someone who went in for knee surgery and wrote on his knee "This One."

When my wife had her knee replaced, she and the doctor both initialed before surgery the knee that was to be replaced. They told her they would not operate without both sets of initials on the same knee.

What is your point?

That the stuff people are joking about is actually being done, for good reason. Did you not read the conversation?

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

So, only non funded bills can originate in the Senate?

I think all bills must originate in the House.

 

[PoliticalChic]

12. It would be far more difficult for Democrats/Liberals to get away with the lies if they didn’t have the media lying with and for them. MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhle lying about the mythical women’s pay gap to get them the women’s vote. And this:


“AP mocked for report saying Beto O'Rourke spoke at rally 'in his native Spanish' The Associated Press has faced some mocking on social media after a report over the weekend originally said that former Rep. Beto O'Rourke (D-Texas) spoke "in his native Spanish" during a rally.

"O'Rourke also spoke at length in his native Spanish, eliciting loud and sustained cheers," the original AP report from Saturday read.

The 2020 presidential hopeful, whose full name is Robert Francis O'Rourke, is fourth-generation Irish-American.

The report comes after O'Rourke officially launched his campaign in the border town of El Paso in a speech that focused heavily on immigration.

So good, in fact, was his ‘native Spanish’ that the crowds actually thought they’d been magically whisked away to the Emerald Isle with the other native Spanish speakers.”
AP mocked for report saying Beto O'Rourke spoke at rally 'in his native Spanish'





Every pronouncement by the Left/Democrats, we’d find that every part of their agenda is based on one simple concept: they lie.

Every one of ‘em.

Every single time.

They lie about everything.

The AP may have received this information from the Beto Campaign and just didn't verify it before publishing.

There are hispanic people with Irish names, you know. The father of Chilean Independence's last name was O'Higgins.

That's how you see all of the lies, all of which just happen to favor the Democrats????

Really?


Get a grip.

 

[PoliticalChic]

12. It would be far more difficult for Democrats/Liberals to get away with the lies if they didn’t have the media lying with and for them. MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhle lying about the mythical women’s pay gap to get them the women’s vote. And this:


“AP mocked for report saying Beto O'Rourke spoke at rally 'in his native Spanish' The Associated Press has faced some mocking on social media after a report over the weekend originally said that former Rep. Beto O'Rourke (D-Texas) spoke "in his native Spanish" during a rally.

"O'Rourke also spoke at length in his native Spanish, eliciting loud and sustained cheers," the original AP report from Saturday read.

The 2020 presidential hopeful, whose full name is Robert Francis O'Rourke, is fourth-generation Irish-American.

The report comes after O'Rourke officially launched his campaign in the border town of El Paso in a speech that focused heavily on immigration.

So good, in fact, was his ‘native Spanish’ that the crowds actually thought they’d been magically whisked away to the Emerald Isle with the other native Spanish speakers.”
AP mocked for report saying Beto O'Rourke spoke at rally 'in his native Spanish'





Every pronouncement by the Left/Democrats, we’d find that every part of their agenda is based on one simple concept: they lie.

Every one of ‘em.

Every single time.

They lie about everything.

This from a Trumpette.

This is the best you can manage?


Well....you are RealDumb, so......

 

[Andylusion]

12. It would be far more difficult for Democrats/Liberals to get away with the lies if they didn’t have the media lying with and for them. MSNBC's Stephanie Ruhle lying about the mythical women’s pay gap to get them the women’s vote. And this:


“AP mocked for report saying Beto O'Rourke spoke at rally 'in his native Spanish' The Associated Press has faced some mocking on social media after a report over the weekend originally said that former Rep. Beto O'Rourke (D-Texas) spoke "in his native Spanish" during a rally.

"O'Rourke also spoke at length in his native Spanish, eliciting loud and sustained cheers," the original AP report from Saturday read.

The 2020 presidential hopeful, whose full name is Robert Francis O'Rourke, is fourth-generation Irish-American.

The report comes after O'Rourke officially launched his campaign in the border town of El Paso in a speech that focused heavily on immigration.

So good, in fact, was his ‘native Spanish’ that the crowds actually thought they’d been magically whisked away to the Emerald Isle with the other native Spanish speakers.”
AP mocked for report saying Beto O'Rourke spoke at rally 'in his native Spanish'





Every pronouncement by the Left/Democrats, we’d find that every part of their agenda is based on one simple concept: they lie.

Every one of ‘em.

Every single time.

They lie about everything.

This from a Trumpette.

If you can't respond to anything, try not responding at all. It's more honorable to admit you don't have an answer, than to pretend you do, and hope no one notices you have nothing to say.

Oh please. A Trump supporter bitching about someone else lying is pathetic. Just like you Pathetic.

Trump lies to you every day to you & you eople keep bending over & saying give me more,.

So STFU about lying. You must all love it.

LOL
No, that would be incorrect. I have never supported a liar. Beside, if you are doing to defend your people lying, by saying Trump is lying.... then you by admission of your very own words.... are no better than Trump yourself.

Now you claim Trump is not a liar?

Are you claiming not to be a Trump supporter?

I support the policies he's pushed, that's true (other than the trade war garbage). I never really liked Trump though. I voted for Gary Johnson. I personally would rather vote for someone I can actually support, and lose, than vote for someone I dislike and win.

Regardless, my point stands. IF you are telling me that your people lying, is ok because Trump lies... then you in your own words, are not better than Trump. Maybe you should call yourself a Trumpette, since you are no better than Trump.

 

[hunarcy]

So, only non funded bills can originate in the Senate?

I think all bills must originate in the House.

All Revenue bills must.originate in the House. Article I, Section 7, Clause 1

 

[westwall]

Mick...from the Rolling Stones is having heart surgery.....in New York.....why? Why doesn't he fly back to the U.K....to get on the waiting list, to get on the next list, to schedule the Heart surgery through the British National Health Service.....? Oh yeah....he is in his 70s, so likely he wouldn't qualify for that surgery under the British National Health Service guidelines......right?

Mick Jagger Preparing for Heart Valve Surgery

Because, like all people in the UK he has a choice. Unlike people in the US who if they cant afford private healthcare, have no healthcare (if the Republicans have their way)

Actually, Coyote, if the Dems have their way the people of the USA will no longer have a say in their health care.

That's what Medicare for all means.
Except for the wealthy ruling elite of course, they will have the best care that we the people can pay for.

Which is how the Republicans would have it anyway. So what do you do? IMO the ACA was the best middle solution. Why not fix the problems and make it work?

That is simply not true. They are seeking a open market solution to the problems. Face it Coyote, obamacare was MEANT to fail. The author of the whole thing was very candid when he declared they relied on the stupidity of the average American to sucker us into it. Every claim that was made about obamacare was shown to be false. i wasn't able to keep my doctor, my deductible increased over 100%, and my cost went up over 44% for coverage that was worse than what i previously had.

Over 90 MILLION people paid more, for worse coverage, so that 5 million could get coverage. Doesn't that seem stupid to you?

Now, with the medicare for all plan that the Dems want to foist off on us, the government will have absolute control over all of the medical decisions in your life. How did that work out for the veterans with the VA?

And, more to the point, why on Earth would you give people power over you, who suffer no consequences when they fuck up?

If what was happening to vets under the VA were happening in the private sector, people would have been sent to prison.

 

[westwall]

Mick...from the Rolling Stones is having heart surgery.....in New York.....why? Why doesn't he fly back to the U.K....to get on the waiting list, to get on the next list, to schedule the Heart surgery through the British National Health Service.....? Oh yeah....he is in his 70s, so likely he wouldn't qualify for that surgery under the British National Health Service guidelines......right?

Mick Jagger Preparing for Heart Valve Surgery

Because, like all people in the UK he has a choice. Unlike people in the US who if they cant afford private healthcare, have no healthcare (if the Republicans have their way)

Actually, Coyote, if the Dems have their way the people of the USA will no longer have a say in their health care.

That's what Medicare for all means.
Except for the wealthy ruling elite of course, they will have the best care that we the people can pay for.

Yo get to choose your doctor under Medicare
It just affects how the doctor gets paid

Only if the doctor accepts Medicare payments and is willing to see you for the money you are offering.

"medicare for all" means that some people will be forced to either pay to see a decent doctor or see a Quack for free. of course our liberal elite rulers will be able to see the best.

Medicare for all will mean all of the doctors patients will have the same coverage

When the doctors have the time to actually see them. That's why Canadian politicians travel to the USA to have their medical procedures done. They can't afford to wait 8 months.

 

[Papageorgio]

Mick Jagger is paying for his heart surgery in the United States instead of getting it free in the UNited Kingdom is because the United States has a better doctor than the UK can provide.