why can't he justify racism? You do.
Because he is bitching, whining, moaning, name-calling, and spewing over the idea that Obama is a racist. But of course you would ignore that, eh?
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why can't he justify racism? You do.
Because he is bitching, whining, moaning, name-calling, and spewing over the idea that Obama is a racist. But of course you would ignore that, eh?
Why did Sarah Palin and her husband associate with a political party who advocated sedition and treason against the United States, and who's leader said this:
Todd Palin was a member of that Party for years, and Sarah Palin routinely courted them.
Does that bother you?
Or, are you just a complete partisan hack, with no guiding principles?
except he put that book on tape and I heard him say it...
you don't think it's possible that Obama could be a little racist?
So you ran out and bought Obama's book on tape.
I think your lying.
I think what you heard, was a short, out of context snippet of audio that World Net Daily, or some wingnut site put up for you to hear.
You would seem a lot more honest, if you just said you really have no idea what context Obama was writing in. All you heard was a ten second audio snippet on a rightwing site.
What does Sarah Palin have to do with this conversation.?
So you ran out and bought Obama's book on tape.
I think your lying.
I think what you heard, was a short, out of context snippet of audio that World Net Daily, or some wingnut site put up for you to hear.
You would seem a lot more honest, if you just said you really have no idea what context Obama was writing in. All you heard was a ten second audio snippet on a rightwing site.
except he put that book on tape and I heard him say it...
Well, I've asked twice for those of you in the know to put it in context. Yes, I think I did.
Sure its possible. Almost everyone is a "little racist". But I highly highly doubt Obama has any sort of allegiance towards one race, a preference towards one race, or anything of that sort that would have any impact on his policies.
what line are you talking about???
come on Larkin. Look at his lifelong career.
Oh? And which part of his lifelong career shows he has an allegiance to blacks over whites?
Oh? And which part of his lifelong career shows he has an allegiance to blacks over whites?
I'm sure it's the fact that he went back to the South side of Chicago and helped those who had lost their jobs and helped register blacks to vote instead of going to work on Wall Street for the big corporations which are run predominately by rich old white men.
its kind of funny... do you not follow the threads you post in willow? are you here merely spewing shit like a dog with uncontrolled diarrhrea?
Jreeves gave a quote... out of context... you're agreeing with him that you heard Obama say it and apparently you don't even know what fucking quote we're talking about? really?
You are a bona fide idiot, first you tell me you had me mixed up and here you are back attacking me for something I never said. What a freaking idiot you are.
you claimed you HEARD him say it on tape...
are you saying that in context of what he said surrounding the quote in question, that you still think it's racist?
did you listen to the tape? Did I say it was racist? Have you had too much to drink?
Misleading Obama E-mail:
"In His Own Words"
The last quote tells all we need to know! Be sure and read that one!
This guy wants to be our President and control our government. Pay close attention to the last comment!! Below are a few lines from Obama's books " his words:
From Dreams of My Father: "I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites." the quote jreeves used to prove his point
From Dreams of My Father : "I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race."
From Dreams of My Father : "There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white."
From Dreams of My Father : ; "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names."
From Dreams of My Father : "I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, Dubois and Mandela."
From Audacity of Hope: "I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
Anyone looking for Barack Obama's real sentiments about whites, blacks and Muslims won't find them in this scurrilous collection of falsified, doctored and context-free "quotations." The e-mail claims to feature words taken from Obama's books, "The Audacity of Hope" (2006) and "Dreams from My Father" (1995, republished in 2004). But we found that two of the quotes are false, and others have been manipulated or taken out of context.
We have received many inquiries about this from readers whose suspicions were aroused, with good reason. Aside from the fact that the e-mail incorrectly cites the title of Obama's book as "Dreams of My Father," rather than "Dreams from My Father," you may have noticed that none of the quotes in this e-mail contain page references. This should be a sign to any reader that the author is trying to pull a fast one, betting that you won't take the time to read through all 806 pages of Obama's books to get to the facts.
False Quotes
We'll take these supposed Obama quotes one at a time, starting with the ones that are simply false. The first has Obama confessing to a "sense of grievance" and "animosity" toward whites.
The Obama campaign states that this quote does not appear in Obama's book "Dreams from My Father." We carefully looked through that book, as well as "The Audacity of Hope," and found nothing similar. The popular urban legends reference site Snopes.com comes to the same conclusion. Snopes also notes that a similar quote does appear in an unfavorable review of "Dreams from My Father" that was published in the March 2007 issue of The American Conservative. But the words are those of the reviewer, Steve Sailer, not Obama.
Steve Sailer: He inherited his fathers penetrating intelligence; was raised mostly by his loving liberal white grandparents in multiracial, laid-back Hawaii, where Americas normal race rules never applied; and received a superb private school education. And yet, at least through age 33 when he wrote Dreams from My Father, he found solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against his mothers race.We find that this e-mail takes the personal opinion of a conservative author and falsely presents it as a confession by Obama.
A second false quote has Obama saying he would "stand with the Muslims," words that don't appear in his book. What he actually said is that he would stand with American immigrants from Pakistan or Arab countries should they be faced with something like the forced detention of Japanese-American families in World War II:
Obama did not say he would side with "the Muslims," which could easily be read as meaning he would side with the world's Muslim population even if it meant working outside the best interests of the United States. He said he would side with "them," referring back to his mention of immigrant communities and specifically to "Arab and Pakistani Americans." Furthermore, he was speaking of an "ugly direction" like the mass internment of Japanese Americans.
This false quote goes hand in hand with the equally false rumor that Obama is a Muslim.
Doctored Quotes
We next turn to a quote that is manipulated to make it sound as though Obama is saying he would "never emulate" a white man, when he was actually describing a personal struggle to come to terms with his own mixed-race ancestry, and the failings of blacks and whites alike.
The e-mail cuts out important words, changing the quote's meaning. Gone is the notion that he "might love" white or brown men. Gone also is that Obama was speaking not of white or brown men generally, but specifically about "these men," his white, maternal grandfather Stanley Dunham and his Indonesian stepfather Lolo Soetoro. The doctored quote makes it appear as though Obama said he would never emulate any white or brown man, based on their race.
Gone as well is Obama's admission that his black friends sometimes "fell short of [the] lofty standards" of black role models like Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela.
Another doctored quote is trimmed to make Obama sound as though he is wary of working for a white man because of his race, when Obama actually wrote that the "problem" of race had been raised by the man himself.
The e-mail's edited quote makes it appear as if Obama is left with an unfavorable opinion of someone based on race. The full quote shows that Obama's mention of Marty Kaufman's race is made only after Kaufman raises it as a potential problem in light of his consideration to hire Obama for a job on a community organizing drive.
Obama took the job. "Kaufman" is actually a pseudonym. Obama told Chicago Sun-Times reporter Lynn Sweet that the man's real name was Gerald Kellman, who was Obama's boss at his first job in Chicago as a community organizer at the Calumet Community Religious Conference. Obama worked for him for three years before going on to law school. Kellman has said of Obama: "One of the remarkable things is how well he listens to people who are opposed to him."
Context, Please
Other quotes in the e-mail are offered without their full context, which we offer here.
On its own, the quote can be interpreted as Obama rejecting his white heritage and, by extension, the entire white population. But, in full context, the statement is part of Obama's assessment of "black or white" individuals' first impressions of him as a person of mixed race.
And finally ...
On its own, the quote makes Obama appear racially militant. Whereas, in full context, the quote illustrates Obama's confusion over his race and cultural heritage. This is emphasized in the preceding paragraph, where Obama describes himself as someone compensating for insecurity in his "racial credentials."