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You want a Republican dominated House, and Senate to decide?I'm not concerned about the tax implications of allowing same sex marriageI'm always struck by, but never amazed by, the passion those who oppose gay marriage display.You didn't make me cry. That you think you did is merely more evidence that you're nuts.
And "who they love" is indeed a legal standard. Here ... I'll show you AGAIN...
Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1, 12 (1967): “The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.”
... how many more times do I need to educate you on this until it penetrates your shield of ignorance? Just throw out a number so I have an idea...
It seems to come from some kind of spiritual devotion, yet their arguments run for refuge in objectivity when confronted with the realities of how they affect the lives of gay people.
I know, because I grew up with my brother who was in the closet till he was 25, and displayed amazing strength after he came out. He's matured far beyond my futile hatred for people who judge gays, and has never needed me to fight his battles. As he pointed out..."you just want to fight people about me, for your own reasons". Once, long ago, he set me straight and told me that "what happens in my bedroom is no more worthy of discussion than what happens in yours, and I don't want to be defined by what happens behind the closed doors of my bedroom". He is right...besides what happens there...he is absolutely no different than me, not one tiny bit.
Where I live, gays have been out for a long time. (Northern California). So my defense of him is rather insulting at the end of the day.
Then there are people like Kaz, who I need to think are not bad people, or I just make myself crazy. But what he probably doesn't realize, is that for gay people, who maybe live in an area not quite so gay friendly...people who think the way he does, are truly the "wolves at the door" for gay people, and probably have no idea how horrible that is.
That is often true. In my case, I like to screw with the left and hold you to your own standards. You have a problem:
- You support progressive taxes and the death tax
- You want gay couples to get out of it
Why should I agree to let you out of your trap? I think taxes should be flat, no one should pay a tax for dying since we paid repeated taxes along the way. Parentage rights and responsibilities should be based on genes not paper. There is in fact nothing that government marriage solves for some citizens that couldn't be solved better for all citizens. Government should teat all it's citizens the same, and they don't either according to what the right wants or to what you want
I can't imagine we're talking about a significant amount of money
That isn't the point. The point is that the left want the progressive taxes and death tax, then you want to let your pets off of paying them.
The other financial point was how Democrats use that same argument. For example, on the government shutdown. That Obama was so incompetent he spent more shutting down government than operating it became an attack on Republicans for costing money. The Republicans wanted spending cuts, but they weren't allowed to cost government any money to get them. Leftists have endless contradictions, hypocrisies and double standards, and you don't get it when that's pointed out.
Just so you know, my actual view on gay government marriage is that as long as it's done Constitutionally through the legislature, then I don't care about it any more or less than any other government marriage
Do you expect me to believe your devotion to the Constitution weighs more heavily in your desire to see the Republican dominated congress make that decision...than the obvious fact that your side would decide the way you want?
If a constitutional amendment prohibiting gay marriage bans were to be created, then you'd have no problem?
If a constitutional amendment prohibiting gay marriage were to be created, how would that affect your position?
I don't want the courts to decide what they want legislation to say because they are a far greater threat on far bigger issues than gay marriage.
At least as bad as the congress is, it's accountable to the people. Accountability even to the stupid is better than unaccountable. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely