Why The Left Loves Socialism

[danielpalos]

It's not a lack of confidence that keeps you out of jail because you had a temper tantrum and hit the wrong person.
Which is where I would be without medical care. I only have medical care because of the VA, socialized medicine.

All I hear is bad decisions and excuses for your bad decisions. If you assault someone, you deserve to be in jail. If you're sick, you need to get help or your family needs the authority to have you institutionalized until they can cure you. The VA is NOT "socialized medicine" ...it's a government carrying out it's constitutionally-enumerated power.

But again, thanks for demonstrating why some people embrace Socialism.

Government is Socialism. It relies on the other Peoples' tax monies.

 

[danielpalos]

Open up a dictionary and look up "Uncontrollable rage". Stop spouting shit.

Open up a dictionary and look up "Ass Hat" ...Oh look, it has a picture of you!

Look... if you are sick and have "uncontrollable rage" then you need to be locked up in a mental institution away from the public so you can't hurt people. As a citizen concerned with public safety, I am okay with a portion of my tax money being devoted to such a facility because I am pro-life and don't believe in euthanizing you. What I am NOT okay with is turning our beautiful and great free enterprise, free market capitalist, constitutional republic into a commie-socialist shithole.

I used one extreme. But the point is without socialized medicine I would be in a mental institution.

I took a call from a pharmacist. He thought his monitor was the computer. He couldn't figure out why it wouldn't turn on. His asst turned off the computer under the counter. He couldn't bend his legs to look under the counter to turn it back on, even when I told him to do so on the phone. Some people are too stupid to help themselves. Some people are too stupid to compete. Do we kill them or let them starve?

My nephew can't graduate high school. He's 24. He's too dumb. When you try to explain stuff too him he gets all panicky and runs. Or he has an anxiety attack. Should he starve without medial care, food, and/or shelter, because he's too stupid to exist?

Maybe we should make an institute to store stupid people like we do the mentally ill?

And MY point is, you don't have "socialized medicine", you have the VA. I understand many people make the mistake of calling the VA a form of socialized medicine and in a purely generic sense, I can see where they get that idea. However, if we apply "socialist" in the generic sense, ALL government can be said to be Socialist. So where can there be any debate if by the very act of having government, it makes you Socialists? Obviously, I reject this nonsense on the more specific and less generic context that Socialism is a specific kind of government. ALL government is NOT Socialist.

When we examine the definition of Socialism, we see that it's a set of social or economic principles whereby government controls means of production. So you say, great... this proves that the VA is socialized medicine because government controls means of production. But the problem is, in OUR form of government we have a Constitution which enumerates specific powers to government and everything else is governed by the people (as opposed to the government). The VA is the result of free people who self-govern, allowing government to administer health care for veterans because they've served our country. This same principle applies to federal highway departments, military branches. on a state and local level-- fire and police services. These are not "Socialist" because the government is "by the people" in our system. There is no autonomous entity called "the government" which controls anything because "we the people" are the government. Now, we can certainly vote to cede our control and power over to a central authority and become a Socialist government. That's where the debate is.

As for your argument about what we do about stupid people... I see your point. Back in the old days we kind of had a "self-cleaning" society... stupid people would hang out behind a kicking mule or look down the barrel of their loaded six-shooter and pull the trigger to see if it was loaded. Later on, they'd drop their electric fans in the bathtub or step in front of a bus. Slowly but surely, progressives built a society where we protect the stupid from themselves and they have procreated. Even progressive icons like Margaret Sanger saw this problem and suggested we put these stupid people on farms and sterilize them... that idea fell out of favor and we settled on abortion instead. But, I digress.

You're right, we have to come to terms as a society what to do with the stupid among us. I wish I knew of a solution because if we continue to placate them and set up safety nets so they continue to procreate and thrive, eventually our nation will be comprised of mostly idiots. We seem to be getting there at a rapid rate. Perhaps Margaret Sanger was on to something? But.... I would like to think that most "stupid people" have something within them, deep down inside, that is capable of success. It becomes a matter of restoring their confidence in their ability to compete. Encouraging them and motivating them... sometimes using a "tough love" strategy if needed. Yeah, I know it may sound cruel but an empty stomach is a great motivator. You'd be surprised what people can do whenever the alternative is starving.

And let's be clear on something else... This Socialist Utopia the leftists dream of... whenever it fails (and it will) there will be starving people. In Venezuela, where just a few short years ago the American progressives lauded Hugo Chavez, a nation rich in natural oil reserves, the people are literally fighting over dogs and cats to eat. That's where Socialism leads... it always has and always will.

Our Social Contract limits the amount of socialism to those express terms.

 

[danielpalos]

Socialism produces bad music, bad art, social stagnation, and really unhappy people. - Frank Zappa

Socialism took us to the Moon and back last millennium, while capitalism is still looking for a capital clue and a capital Cause.

 

[danielpalos]

God cursed me.
If I hadn't of hooked up with the VA and got on these drugs I would've ended up killing someone. I had a really violent temper. Thus, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. I wonder how many people in jail are in jail because of chemical imbalances controlling their actions through no fault of their own but a so called loving God made them that way.

Well, I do have a degree in psychology, so I think the University of Alabama believed I knew what I was talking about. "God cursed me" is an excuse. You use this excuse as a crutch to justify your lack of confidence in your ability to compete. When someone reveals that to you, it causes you to become defensive and repel what they have to say because you don't want to accept the truth.

I wonder how many people in society blame their shortcomings on "chemical imbalances" because it's a convenient way to avoid the truth about themselves? Modern society seems to be on a bender of setting up convenient excuses for people who fail. It's part and parcel to our problem as a society who cannot face it's own shortcomings. Everyone is a victim, everyone has a reason for why they're fucked up. It's not their fault... it's society's fault... it's God's fault... it's someone else's fault.

And this is how a deplorable ideology like Socialism roots it's way into the minds of otherwise rational people.

Dude you don't know what uncontrollable rage feels like, I do. Note the key word there "uncontrollable". I'm lucky, I have medical via the VA so the fire in my stomach is now gone. The side effect is that I'm depressed and sleepy all of the time. I sleep 12 - 24 hours sometimes.
But it's better than what I was going through. Those who don't suffer think the power of will can over come anything. You are wrong.

I know that you are continuing to make excuses for your lack of confidence in your ability to compete with others, which fully explains why you embrace Socialism. Thank you for continuing to confirm and validate the argument made by the OP.

It's not a lack of confidence that keeps you out of jail because you had a temper tantrum and hit the wrong person.
Which is where I would be without medical care. I only have medical care because of the VA, socialized medicine.

How is that socialized medicine and not benefit of employment?

it is government provided.

 

[ding]

Well, I do have a degree in psychology, so I think the University of Alabama believed I knew what I was talking about. "God cursed me" is an excuse. You use this excuse as a crutch to justify your lack of confidence in your ability to compete. When someone reveals that to you, it causes you to become defensive and repel what they have to say because you don't want to accept the truth.

I wonder how many people in society blame their shortcomings on "chemical imbalances" because it's a convenient way to avoid the truth about themselves? Modern society seems to be on a bender of setting up convenient excuses for people who fail. It's part and parcel to our problem as a society who cannot face it's own shortcomings. Everyone is a victim, everyone has a reason for why they're fucked up. It's not their fault... it's society's fault... it's God's fault... it's someone else's fault.

And this is how a deplorable ideology like Socialism roots it's way into the minds of otherwise rational people.

Dude you don't know what uncontrollable rage feels like, I do. Note the key word there "uncontrollable". I'm lucky, I have medical via the VA so the fire in my stomach is now gone. The side effect is that I'm depressed and sleepy all of the time. I sleep 12 - 24 hours sometimes.
But it's better than what I was going through. Those who don't suffer think the power of will can over come anything. You are wrong.

I know that you are continuing to make excuses for your lack of confidence in your ability to compete with others, which fully explains why you embrace Socialism. Thank you for continuing to confirm and validate the argument made by the OP.

It's not a lack of confidence that keeps you out of jail because you had a temper tantrum and hit the wrong person.
Which is where I would be without medical care. I only have medical care because of the VA, socialized medicine.

How is that socialized medicine and not benefit of employment?

it is government provided.

Only because the government was the employer.

 

[Spare_change]

Socialism produces bad music, bad art, social stagnation, and really unhappy people. - Frank Zappa

Socialism took us to the Moon and back last millennium, while capitalism is still looking for a capital clue and a capital Cause.

Socialism did that, huh?

Maybe you can explain just exactly how you arrived at THAT conclusion.

 

[ding]

Socialism produces bad music, bad art, social stagnation, and really unhappy people. - Frank Zappa

Socialism took us to the Moon and back last millennium, while capitalism is still looking for a capital clue and a capital Cause.

Socialism did that, huh?

Maybe you can explain just exactly how you arrived at THAT conclusion.

Lunar logic.

 

[danielpalos]

Dude you don't know what uncontrollable rage feels like, I do. Note the key word there "uncontrollable". I'm lucky, I have medical via the VA so the fire in my stomach is now gone. The side effect is that I'm depressed and sleepy all of the time. I sleep 12 - 24 hours sometimes.
But it's better than what I was going through. Those who don't suffer think the power of will can over come anything. You are wrong.

I know that you are continuing to make excuses for your lack of confidence in your ability to compete with others, which fully explains why you embrace Socialism. Thank you for continuing to confirm and validate the argument made by the OP.

It's not a lack of confidence that keeps you out of jail because you had a temper tantrum and hit the wrong person.
Which is where I would be without medical care. I only have medical care because of the VA, socialized medicine.

How is that socialized medicine and not benefit of employment?

it is government provided.

Only because the government was the employer.

Government is socialism; it only exists via the other Peoples' tax monies.

 

[danielpalos]

Socialism produces bad music, bad art, social stagnation, and really unhappy people. - Frank Zappa

Socialism took us to the Moon and back last millennium, while capitalism is still looking for a capital clue and a capital Cause.

Socialism did that, huh?

Maybe you can explain just exactly how you arrived at THAT conclusion.

SpaceX is still trying to get to the Moon.

 

[Boss]

Government is Socialism. It relies on the other Peoples' tax monies.

Again... because you're apparently slow... NO, it's not. EVERY Government is NOT Socialist. You have a profound ignorance of what Socialism is. If ALL governments were Socialist, there would be no need to even define Socialism. We would simply just call it "Government" and that would be all we had. But that's not the case.

So if you're going to remain blindly ignorant, there is no way for a rational person to have an intelligent conversation with you. Feel free to continue trolling if you like but until you grasp what Socialist government is, any conversation with you is pointless.

 

[danielpalos]

Government is Socialism. It relies on the other Peoples' tax monies.

Again... because you're apparently slow... NO, it's not. EVERY Government is NOT Socialist. You have a profound ignorance of what Socialism is. If ALL governments were Socialist, there would be no need to even define Socialism. We would simply just call it "Government" and that would be all we had. But that's not the case.

So if you're going to remain blindly ignorant, there is no way for a rational person to have an intelligent conversation with you. Feel free to continue trolling if you like but until you grasp what Socialist government is, any conversation with you is pointless.

yes, Government is Socialism. There are no true AnCaps.

 

[Boss]

yes, Government is Socialism.

Nonsense, igmo... there would't even be the word "Socialism" if that were the case. It would simply be redundant. Your point has failed in ignorance. Sorry!

 

[danielpalos]

yes, Government is Socialism.

Nonsense, igmo... there would't even be the word "Socialism" if that were the case. It would simply be redundant. Your point has failed in ignorance. Sorry!

Socialism is an invented term. We have a mixed market economy. one part socialism and one part capitalism. can you guess which part is the socialism part?

 

[Spare_change]

There is a very distinct reason why liberals love socialism.

Liberalism believes in all things equal for all people - regardless of contribution.

Socialism celebrates, encourages, and breeds mediocrity - only in mediocrity can we have equal results without equal effort.

 

[Spare_change]

Socialism produces bad music, bad art, social stagnation, and really unhappy people. - Frank Zappa

Socialism took us to the Moon and back last millennium, while capitalism is still looking for a capital clue and a capital Cause.

Socialism did that, huh?

Maybe you can explain just exactly how you arrived at THAT conclusion.

SpaceX is still trying to get to the Moon.

I'm pretty sure you have a point --- you just haven't gotten to it yet.

 

[danielpalos]

There is a very distinct reason why liberals love socialism.

Liberalism believes in all things equal for all people - regardless of contribution.

Socialism celebrates, encourages, and breeds mediocrity - only in mediocrity can we have equal results without equal effort.

socialism requires social morals for free.

 

[danielpalos]

Socialism produces bad music, bad art, social stagnation, and really unhappy people. - Frank Zappa

Socialism took us to the Moon and back last millennium, while capitalism is still looking for a capital clue and a capital Cause.

Socialism did that, huh?

Maybe you can explain just exactly how you arrived at THAT conclusion.

SpaceX is still trying to get to the Moon.

I'm pretty sure you have a point --- you just haven't gotten to it yet.

just sort of slow? SpaceX is not a government program, but a capital business venture on a for-profit basis.

 

[Spare_change]

There is a very distinct reason why liberals love socialism.

Liberalism believes in all things equal for all people - regardless of contribution.

Socialism celebrates, encourages, and breeds mediocrity - only in mediocrity can we have equal results without equal effort.

socialism requires social morals for free.

Yeah ... we've seen how well THAT works.

No thanks ... I'll stick with my Christian morals.

 

[Spare_change]

Socialism produces bad music, bad art, social stagnation, and really unhappy people. - Frank Zappa

Socialism took us to the Moon and back last millennium, while capitalism is still looking for a capital clue and a capital Cause.

Socialism did that, huh?

Maybe you can explain just exactly how you arrived at THAT conclusion.

SpaceX is still trying to get to the Moon.

I'm pretty sure you have a point --- you just haven't gotten to it yet.

just sort of slow? SpaceX is not a government program, but a capital business venture on a for-profit basis.

That's interesting .... so, those contractors who built Mercury, Apollo, and the Space Shuttle weren't capitalists?

 

[Boss]

yes, Government is Socialism.

Nonsense, igmo... there would't even be the word "Socialism" if that were the case. It would simply be redundant. Your point has failed in ignorance. Sorry!

Socialism is an invented term. We have a mixed market economy. one part socialism and one part capitalism. can you guess which part is the socialism part?

You said "government is socialism" and now you're trying to claim a "mixed" system. So you are already backpedaling on what you said.

Yes, Socialism is an invented term, so is Government. All words are invented terms. Dumb ass. As I said, there is absolutely NO reason to invent a term "Socialism" if ALL governments are Socialist.

So now we can agree that ALL government's are NOT Socialist as you ignorantly claimed.

Our system is NOT Socialist. It is a free market Capitalist system which includes free market capitalism, free enterprise, individual liberty, private property rights and a constitution with inalienable rights including the right to self-govern. That comprises our system.

Our constitution, which WE ratified as part of our right to self-govern, contains "enumerated powers" of the Federal government. This is what you MISTAKE for "Socialism" but it's not.

"Socialism" is when government controls the means of production. Our constitution doesn't grant such authority to government. We self-govern in our system... it's an inalienable right.