Why Trump Was Charged On Secret Documents And Clinton, Pence Were Not

[Lesh]

You must have been living under a rock for the past two years. You're a waste of time.

He just “says shit”

None of it means a thing

 

[scruffy]

You must have been living under a rock for the past two years. You're a waste of time.

No, I'm proving to you and the entire world that YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE.

You're gaslighting.

Full of hot air.

Nothing more than a blowhard.

Post the evidence or STFU.

Apologize, THEN stfu

 

[Mac1958]

You must have been living under a rock for the past two years. You're a waste of time.

They have been conditioned that giving an inch -- even on the most obvious of issues -- is a sign of weakness. Capitulation.

Intellectual honesty is not allowed.

 

[Care4all]

Do I really need to post the video of Comey saying she broke the law but that a prosecutor would t indict her?

prosecutors can only bring a case to trial if they KNOW they can prove it, to a jury.

because no top secret documents were removed from a government secured holding place and put on her server, and none were designated and properly marked classified, she could not be charged because they knew they could not get a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt.....

the top secret emails were not stolen or taken documents with markings, it was her staff's loose lips discussing our drone programs....which had already been leaked to the press with a big article on them, so the staffers did not believe it was still classified.

without any documents, (zip, zero,) officially marked with their classification, there was no way to prove anything was stolen or improperly taken and put on her server.

 

[LeftofLeft]

"B-b-b-b-b-b-but Clinton!" "B-b-b-b-b-b-b-but Biden!" We've all heard these refrains from the Tu Quoque Brigade in every defense of Donald Trump's crimes.

So here's the difference with respect to the deliberate obstruction by Trump to keep classified documents.

Why Trump was charged on secret documents and Clinton, Pence were not​

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But the historic investigation into the former president was precipitated months earlier, in January 2022, when the former president gave 15 boxes of papers to the National Archives and Records Administration. The agency had been seeking all presidential records from Trump since he left office.

Inside the boxes, archivists found 197 classified documents, some extremely sensitive, the government alleged in court filings. That discovery set in motion the chain of events that led to the unsealing Friday of a 38-count indictment against Trump and Walt Nauta, a trusted servant.

Notably, however, the indictment does not charge Trump with the illegal retention of any of the 197 documents he returned to the archives.


If Trump had returned ALL the classified documents he took, as Biden, Pence, and Clinton had done, there would be no indictment.

It's as simple as that, folks.

Trump chose to hide several boxes of documents, some of which were classified, and that's why his ass is on fire now.

As for Clinton and her emails, what Trump said in private is VASTLY different than the bullshit he feeds to the rube herd:

But when discussing his own possible mishandling case last year, Trump seized on another facet of the Clinton probe: that attorneys for Clinton had reviewed more than 60,000 emails and turned over about 30,000 to government officials because they were deemed related to her official duties. Clinton’s lawyers deleted the rest, about 30,000 emails, after deeming them personal and unrelated to her work. It has long been standard practice in the federal government for officials to review their own correspondence in response to Freedom of Information Act requests and decide which of their emails are personal and therefore not turned over. In Clinton’s case, her lawyers did that for her.

As a candidate and president, Trump denounced the decision to delete the emails. In July 2016, he notoriously declared at a news conference: “Russia: if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”


When the grand jury subpoena for any classified documents arrived at his door, however, Trump expressed a very different view to his lawyer, according to the indictment, praising Clinton’s lawyer for deleting the 30,000 emails.

The Clinton lawyer, Trump allegedly said on May 23, 2022, “was the one who deleted all of her emails, the 30,000 emails, because they basically dealt with her scheduling and her going to the gym and her having beauty appointments. And he was great. And he, so she didn’t get in any trouble because he said that he was the one who deleted them.”

“Trump related the story more than once that day,” the indictment notes dryly.

Trump should have stored them in the garage and/or used bleach and hammers to destroy them.

 

[Care4all]

Trump should have stored them in the garage and/or used bleach and hammers to destroy them.

Oh, so Mara Lago Resort bathrooms and ball room stages that a gazillion guests could access, were so much safer to store them than a locked storage room in the locked garage of Biden's private home, eh?

 

[scruffy]

prosecutors can only bring a case to trial if they KNOW they can prove it, to a jury.

because no top secret documents were removed from a government secured holding place and put on her server, and none were designated and properly marked classified, she could not be charged because they knew they could not get a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt.....

the top secret emails were not stolen or taken documents with markings, it was her staff's loose lips discussing our drone programs....which had already been leaked to the press with a big article on them, so the staffers did not believe it was still classified.

without any documents, (zip, zero,) officially marked with their classification, there was no way to prove anything was stolen or improperly taken and put on her server.

Stupid libtard, the ENTIRE SERVER was illegal. The fucked up little bitch should never have had it in the first place.

 

[surada]

Stupid libtard, the ENTIRE SERVER was illegal. The fucked up little bitch should never have had it in the first place.

Trump made it a felony.

 

[scruffy]

Trump made it a felony.

Not to mention TWO counts of obstruction of justice, one for the hammers and one for the bleachbit.

As far as I'm concerned, until this cvnt is sitting in jail, Trump can do whatever he wants.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Oh, so Mara Lago Resort bathrooms and ball room stages that a gazillion guests could access, were so much safer to store them than a locked storage room in the locked garage of Biden's private home, eh?

That’s the point. You people are splitting hairs. Further, you have no problem with documents and data being destroyed.

 

[Care4all]

Stupid libtard, the ENTIRE SERVER was illegal. The fucked up little bitch should never have had it in the first place.

It was not criminal/illegal to do govt business on a non gvt server, at the time.... as long as the govt communication and record was turned over to the Archives.

Granted, Clinton took that to another level by having and communicating on her own server vs an AOL etc server....

At the time she created it, there was no criminal law against it.

 

[Lesh]

Stupid libtard, the ENTIRE SERVER was illegal. The fucked up little bitch should never have had it in the first place.

Nope. False

 

[Care4all]

Not to mention TWO counts of obstruction of justice, one for the hammers and one for the bleachbit.

As far as I'm concerned, until this cvnt is sitting in jail, Trump can do whatever he wants.

there was no obstruction of justice!

Comey said through the investigation they found that every time Clinton or some staff upgraded their existing phones, after they uploaded their old phone files and info to their new phones, they smashed their old phones for security purposes, and NOT for nefarious reasons.

Clinton lawyers had turned over all of her govt files and govt emails Dec. 2014 stored on her server. The remaining private files and server were sent to her computer maintenance company with directions to repurpose the server for private use and delete directions of private junk, by her staff.

In March of 2015 the House sent a subpoena to Clinton for all emails on Lybia and Benghazi, which she had already turned over to the Archives and State dept in Dec 2014.

There WAS NO SUBPOENA for her server, or private emails at the time....just for emails related to Benghazzi and Lybia. The subpoena for her server came the following August 2015 by the FBI.

Her computer maintenance company worker decided on his own, to bleach bit the server private emails..... And not just delete them. The investigators found no nefarious doings by Clinton staff or the server maintenance man.

also NOTE, by regulation, govt workers ARE NOT TO SEND PRIVATE EMAILS TO THE ARCHIVES, and only govt records are to be sent to them. Removing private and personal stuff was REQUIRED by govt regulation....so they could not nail the Clinton team for not sending them or for deleting them

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

poor Scruffy

 

[Leviticus]

Neither the judge nor the FBI had the authority to look at the classified docs that Trump was authorized to look at.

And the cases are entirely different.
Trump was president so then got these docs legally.

In contrast, Biden and Pence were only congressmen at the time they got these classified docs, so then their possession was completely illegal unless a president or ex-president allowed it.

The moment he left the office, Trump lost any authority or right To view or possess classified documents. The fact that he knowingly kept them was a crime.

 

[scruffy]

Nope. False

Shut up you FUCKING LIAR.

There are strict requirements for machines handling classified information.

But you wouldn't know about that, would you dumbfuck?

Lefties are stupid and ignorant.

This one being an obvious example.

 

[Couchpotato]

prosecutors can only bring a case to trial if they KNOW they can prove it, to a jury.

Prosecutors choose to do that to keep their conviction rates up.

That has nothing to do with whether someone broke the law or not.

because no top secret documents were removed from a government secured holding place and put on her server, and none were designated and properly marked classified, she could not be charged because they knew they could not get a conviction beyond a reasonable doubt.....

Clinton exaggerates lack of classified info in her emails

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton pushed back against comparisons between her email probe and the search on form

www.politifact.com

"On July 5, 2016, the FBI released its findings on an investigation into Clinton’s emails. Then-FBI Director James Comey said of the 30,000 emails, 113 were determined to have contained classified information at the time they were sent. Comey said three of those had a marking indicating they were classified, and that 2,000 more were marked as classified after the fact by various agencies."

Do you want to amend that statement?

the top secret emails were not stolen or taken documents with markings, it was her staff's loose lips discussing our drone programs....which had already been leaked to the press with a big article on them, so the staffers did not believe it was still classified.

And they likely ended up being exposed to foreign intelligence services because of her willful violation of US statutes. Do I think Clinton is a spy and trying to expose US secrets to foreign intelligence? No. But I'm quite certain she's willing to risk that happening so that she could avoid FOIA in an effort to protect her political career. Mostly because that's exactly what she did. So to recap Clinton willfully violated US statute to further her political career and in doing so exposed a bunch of classified information to foreign intelligence services.

without any documents, (zip, zero,) officially marked with their classification, there was no way to prove anything was stolen or improperly taken and put on her server.

See above, and try again.

 

[Care4all]

On July 5, 2016, the FBI released its findings on an investigation into Clinton’s emails. Then-FBI Director James Comey said of the 30,000 emails, 113 were determined to have contained classified information at the time they were sent. Comey said three of those had a marking indicating they were classified, and that 2,000 more were marked as classified after the fact by various agencies."

Do you want to amend that statement?

No need to amend! The 113 emails, from the 4-6 email chains of her staff with loose lips discussing classified information did take place, as I mentioned above, discussing drone programs.

None of her emails or documents contained MARKED CLASSIFIED designation stamps.

Comey testified the couple of emails that did have PARTIAL markings of a C, (Confidential) within the body of the email from her Scheduler/appointment maker, were unnoticed because they were not correctly MARKED and did not have the full required Classified Marking at the top of the correspondence, with date, classified designation, by what agency, and by whom, and what date it is scheduled for declassification.

If the top secret classified emails had been Marked Classified on a document and this what was being emailed and sent to Hillary by her staff, then the prosecutors would have had a pretty solid case in being able to prove she had knowledge of the classification level being communicated negligently on her unclassified server and had actually committed a crime.

NOTE!
EVEN if she had not created a server of her own and her and her staff had only used the designated State.gov email system to communicate, there still would have been a problem with marked classified material on it, because State.gov is ALSO an UNCLASSIFIED server....and her staff should not have been discussing whatever it was, on there either.

 

[Couchpotato]

No need to amend! The 113 emails, from the 4-6 email chains of her staff with loose lips discussing classified information did take place, as I mentioned above, discussing drone programs.

None of her emails or documents contained MARKED CLASSIFIED designation stamps.

Comey testified the couple of emails that did have PARTIAL markings of a C, (Confidential) within the body of the email from her Scheduler/appointment maker, were unnoticed because they were not correctly MARKED and did not have the full required Classified Marking at the top of the correspondence, with date, classified designation, by what agency, and by whom, and what date it is scheduled for declassification.

If the top secret classified emails had been Marked Classified on a document and this what was being emailed and sent to Hillary by her staff, then the prosecutors would have had a pretty solid case in being able to prove she had knowledge of the classification level being communicated negligently on her unclassified server and had actually committed a crime.

NOTE!
EVEN if she had not created a server of her own and her and her staff had only used the designated State.gov email system to communicate, there still would have been a problem with marked classified material on it, because State.gov is ALSO an UNCLASSIFIED server....and her staff should not have been discussing whatever it was, on there either.

Did you see the emails? What I thought.
Comey said there were emails that were marked classified He did see them. So I’ll take his word over yours. And the marking doesnt make something classified. It either is or isn’t. I said Clinton likely didn’t intentionally have classified information on her private server. She did however intentionally violate the FOIA laws which is what lead to it happening. All for political gain BTW. I know she’s on your team so you cant admit she was wrong but we both know she was.

 

[JimH52]

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And too, and not unimportantly...... respectfully recognizing that no man is above the law.

In my humble opinion --- defying a court issued DOJ initiated subpoena is, generally speaking...... not an optimum demonstration of sound judgment. No?

It is the choice of a Moron.