Why Was No One Armed & Shooting Back In El Paso WalMart ?

[Superbadbrutha]

No it's a good thing he wasn't finished off, now we may find out why he actually committed this horrible crime.

Fool! If he was "finished off" early in his attack, more than a dozen LIVES WOULD HAVE BEEN SAVED. You can't get that ?

Tell me FOOL how many mass shootings have been stopped by someone with a CCW.

 

[Brain357]

You think maybe because it was a bad idea to shoot back in a situation with people running all over like that?

Actually, just pointing a gun at some of these guys gets them to stop.....

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

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One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

I see your link is to a gun site. Can you link to the FBI site and show they actually share your claim? Or is this like your false CDC claim. I think it is.

They studied the mass shootings you asshat......

You know, just saying something is false because it tells the truth is the weakest form of argument.....since you are a weak minded troll, that isn't a surprise....that you are indeed an asshat moron, is also not a surprise.

So pro gun loons make up a study and you make it look like it is the FBI. Shocking. Are you ever not lying?

Who made it look like the FBI, you moron.......I posted the link and the research.......does it ever make you tired being such a moron all the time?

Your link says FBI. The reality is that it is just more gibberish from the gun lobby. I've ready the FBI studies and there may have been many more armed citizens who did nothing or were themselves shot. They don't specify, only when they stopped a shooting. Just like in the TX Walmart shooting there were no doubt many people carrying, but we've no idea how many and they certainly didn't stop the shooter.

 

[bodecea]

You think maybe because it was a bad idea to shoot back in a situation with people running all over like that?

Obviously, I DON'T think it a bad idea to shoot back, since the OP is advocating just that, and wondering why nobody did do that.

Also, in my own gun, I have hollow point bullets, which stay inside the perpetrator's body. Don't go through, and richochet around.

Oh Lord, you're ARMED lol?!?

Scary, isn't it?

 

[2aguy]

Actually, just pointing a gun at some of these guys gets them to stop.....

Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events [FBI]

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.


In the 2 incidents at which the armed citizen “failed” to stop or slow the active shooter, one is the previously mentioned incident with hunters. The other is an incident in which the CCWer was shot in the back in a Las Vegas Walmart when he failed to identify that there were 2 Active Shooters involved in the attack. He neglected to identify the one that shot him in the back while he was trying to ambush the other perpetrator.

We also decided to look at the breakdown of events that took place in gun free zones and the relative death toll from events in gun free zones vs non-gun-free zones.

Of the 283 incidents in our data pool, we were unable to identify if the event took place in a gun-free zone in a large number (41%) of the events. Most of the events took place at a business, church, home, or other places at which as a rule of law it is not a gun free zone but potentially could have been declared one by the property owner. Without any information in the FBI study or any indication one way or the other from the news reports, we have indicated that event with a question mark.

If you look at all of the Active Shooter events (pie chart on the top) you see that for those which we have the information, almost twice as many took place in gun free zones than not; but realistically the vast majority of those for which we have no information (indicated as ?) are probably NOT gun free zones.

If you isolate just the events at which 8 or more people were killed the data paints a different picture (pie chart on the bottom). In these incidents, 77.8% took place in a gun-free zone suggesting that gun free zones lead to a higher death rate vs active shooter events in general

=====

One of the final metrics we thought was important to consider is the potential tendency for armed citizens to injure or kill innocent people in their attempt to “save the day.” A common point in political discussions is to point out the lack of training of most armed citizens and the decrease in safety inherent in their presence during violent encounters.

As you can see below, however, at the 33 incidents at which Armed Citizens were present, there were zero situations at which the Armed Citizen injured or killed an innocent person. It never happened.

I see your link is to a gun site. Can you link to the FBI site and show they actually share your claim? Or is this like your false CDC claim. I think it is.

They studied the mass shootings you asshat......

You know, just saying something is false because it tells the truth is the weakest form of argument.....since you are a weak minded troll, that isn't a surprise....that you are indeed an asshat moron, is also not a surprise.

So pro gun loons make up a study and you make it look like it is the FBI. Shocking. Are you ever not lying?

Who made it look like the FBI, you moron.......I posted the link and the research.......does it ever make you tired being such a moron all the time?

Your link says FBI. The reality is that it is just more gibberish from the gun lobby. I've ready the FBI studies and there may have been many more armed citizens who did nothing or were themselves shot. They don't specify, only when they stopped a shooting. Just like in the TX Walmart shooting there were no doubt many people carrying, but we've no idea who and they certainly didn't stop the shooter.

You are lying....

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.

 

[bodecea]

What’s really disgusting is the left is actually happy this happened and will use it to score political points. As if any laws would have prevented this from happening.

If the guy wanted to shoot as many Mexicans as possible to stop Texas from turning blue, he certainly picked a very poor strategy.

Seems to me that he is just a psycho and it’s too bad someone didn’t off him.

Who on the Left has expressed happiness over this or the Dayton massacre happening? Name them for us.

Each one of the democrat Presidential Candidates.......they were high fiving each other in their campaign offices...

Oh really? You must show us the proof of that happening. Dish.

 

[bodecea]

if a Trump Supporter wearing a red hat had shot the shooter, i wonder how he would of been treated by cnn/msnbc

Yeah...but that didn't happen.............................................did it?

No, a racist, environmental extremist shot up the Walmart.....

trying.....so....hard....to.....make.....this.....NOT.....about.....him....being.....a.....rightwing.....crazy........

 

[Brain357]

I see your link is to a gun site. Can you link to the FBI site and show they actually share your claim? Or is this like your false CDC claim. I think it is.

They studied the mass shootings you asshat......

You know, just saying something is false because it tells the truth is the weakest form of argument.....since you are a weak minded troll, that isn't a surprise....that you are indeed an asshat moron, is also not a surprise.

So pro gun loons make up a study and you make it look like it is the FBI. Shocking. Are you ever not lying?

Who made it look like the FBI, you moron.......I posted the link and the research.......does it ever make you tired being such a moron all the time?

Your link says FBI. The reality is that it is just more gibberish from the gun lobby. I've ready the FBI studies and there may have been many more armed citizens who did nothing or were themselves shot. They don't specify, only when they stopped a shooting. Just like in the TX Walmart shooting there were no doubt many people carrying, but we've no idea who and they certainly didn't stop the shooter.

You are lying....

Of all the active shooter events there were 33 at which an armed citizen was present. Of those, Armed Citizens were successful at stopping the Active shooter 75.8% of the time (25 incidents) and were successful in reducing the loss of life in an additional 18.2% (6) of incidents. In only 2 of the 33 incidents (6.1%) was the Armed Citizen(s) not helpful in any way in stopping the active shooter or reducing the loss of life.

Thus the headline of our report that Armed Citizens Are Successful 94% Of The Time At Active Shooter Events.

Link to the FBI website where it states that. Sorry but a study by jo bob gun nut isn't a really study....

 

[bodecea]

Nah, fuck you, you low life commie pedophile loving piece of shit. Your left wing 'culture war' hate fests create this sort of thing, and then you scum try and deflect fro your own sicko roles in it. You pieces of filth need to be deported somewhere you'll be happy, like the Sudan, or Somalia, ASAP.

Next election voters need to remember which party is letting people into America from shit hole countries.

I'm guessing next election, we'll be paying attention to who is getting money from the NRA.

You should have paid attention to hilary getting 145 million dollars from putin......

Where's the OP with his Off Topic sign? But, while we are waiting for him to fairly and equally flash that sign, provide the proof of your claim.

 

[2aguy]

if a Trump Supporter wearing a red hat had shot the shooter, i wonder how he would of been treated by cnn/msnbc

Yeah...but that didn't happen.............................................did it?

No, a racist, environmental extremist shot up the Walmart.....

trying.....so....hard....to.....make.....this.....NOT.....about.....him....being.....a.....rightwing.....crazy........

And trying so hard to hide the fact that he was a racist because of his environmental extremism.....

 

[Superbadbrutha]

This is a dumb question, but lets say the police arrive to one of these mass shootings and there are 4 or 5 people shooting weapons. How would they know who to start shooting at?

They would be told by the shoppers there. And told by 911 dispatch.

As a shopper how would you know that?

 

[Brain357]

This is a dumb question, but lets say the police arrive to one of these mass shootings and there are 4 or 5 people shooting weapons. How would they know who to start shooting at?

They would be told by the shoppers there. And told by 911 dispatch.

As a shopper how would you know that?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...60ce2a8148f_story.html?utm_term=.6d63006b9a30

The veteran police officer shot and killed while rushing to confront a mass shooter in Thousand Oaks, Calif., last month was fatally struck by friendly fire rather than bullets fired by the gunman, authorities said Friday.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

This is a dumb question, but lets say the police arrive to one of these mass shootings and there are 4 or 5 people shooting weapons. How would they know who to start shooting at?

They would be told by the shoppers there. And told by 911 dispatch.

As a shopper how would you know that?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...60ce2a8148f_story.html?utm_term=.6d63006b9a30

The veteran police officer shot and killed while rushing to confront a mass shooter in Thousand Oaks, Calif., last month was fatally struck by friendly fire rather than bullets fired by the gunman, authorities said Friday.

Yep same thing happened here.

Black St Louis police officer shot by white colleague 'fearing for his safety'

 

[Brain357]

This is a dumb question, but lets say the police arrive to one of these mass shootings and there are 4 or 5 people shooting weapons. How would they know who to start shooting at?

They would be told by the shoppers there. And told by 911 dispatch.

As a shopper how would you know that?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...60ce2a8148f_story.html?utm_term=.6d63006b9a30

The veteran police officer shot and killed while rushing to confront a mass shooter in Thousand Oaks, Calif., last month was fatally struck by friendly fire rather than bullets fired by the gunman, authorities said Friday.

Yep same thing happened here.

Black St Louis police officer shot by white colleague 'fearing for his safety'

And yet these gun loons want us to believe that the good guy won't accidently be shot by police. What a joke.

 

[JimBowie1958]

A closet Democrat huh? Just have to find some way to attach a political party you dislike onto it.

I was just joking.

C4A got it.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Except for this manifesto that was posted on the 8 chan site it would appear that this was a call to his brothers on the far right.

Meh, if the people in the store had anybody allowed to carry concealed, this wouldn't have happened there.

These cowards only go for soft targets. They don't have the balls to go after anyone that can shoot back.

 

[Brain357]

Except for this manifesto that was posted on the 8 chan site it would appear that this was a call to his brothers on the far right.

Meh, if the people in the store had anybody allowed to carry concealed, this wouldn't have happened there.

These cowards only go for soft targets. They don't have the balls to go after anyone that can shoot back.

Pretty sure all these guys were armed:
2016 shooting of Dallas police officers - Wikipedia

On July 7, 2016, Micah Xavier Johnson ambushed and fired upon a group of police officers in Dallas, Texas, killing five officers and injuring nine others.

 

[protectionist]

A shooter is going to make sure there is no one behind him. No one has ever had the chance to shoot a shooter and there is a reason. Because you never see him coming. He has the plan, you don't. In a public arena, there is no way to stop someone who wants to do what this shooter did. No amount of security. He is going to shoot someone before he is shot

TOTAL NONSENSE!

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Except for this manifesto that was posted on the 8 chan site it would appear that this was a call to his brothers on the far right.

Meh, if the people in the store had anybody allowed to carry concealed, this wouldn't have happened there.

These cowards only go for soft targets. They don't have the balls to go after anyone that can shoot back.

Where are the gun toting folks at? Are you saying that none of the gun carrying folks shop at Wal Mart.

 

[protectionist]

I agree. ^^^

Why nobody was armed? we ARE talking Texas here are we not? so yes,that's odd.

But then there re many odd issues about this shooting.

Issues like

quote:

" 1) If there’s only one shooter, why did so many eyewitnesses report multiple shooters at the scene?

2) Why did the local police arrest and hold three suspects in custody, as was widely reported by the media before the story was changed to a “lone shooter?”

3) Why does the so-called “manifesto” appear to be written by someone far older than 21 years of age? (Answer: The manifesto is a hoax. It was not written by the individual who was arrested as the shooter.)

and this one

4) How does one man kill 20 people and wound another 30 people with a single magazine that only holds 30 rounds? The surveillance photo shows no chest rig, no battle belt and no spare magazines.

ONE MORE QUESTION: Why was the shooter’s online profile changed from “Democrat” to Republican / Trump supporter? "-

I tell ya' .....something is rotten in El Paso.

Since Democrats like to investigate so much, OK Democrats, go get'm.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

FALSE! If you are a CCW carrier, and are armed, and you have position advantage enough to take out an active mass shooter, you should do that.

The hell you SHOULD. The police are the only people who are required to act but apparently they have some discretion to not do so if it's not tactically practical.

Who trained you by the way?