colfax_m
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This is my first participation on this matter on this board. I assure you, I’m very well educated on the matter. I’ve only seen your one link to Infowars which contained no facts. If that’s the quality of information provided by your side, I think I’d save myself some time and not review old threads and sort through mountains of right wing internet misinformation.Pull your head out of your ass - it's a horrible way to go through life.Sorry, but your BS has been debunked. There are rules / regulations that prevent any 'local' law enforcement office and a local US AG from conducting an operation that would transport US firearms across the US border without a helluva lot of coordination and higher approval from agencies at the Federal level.The operations were designed and authorized at the local ATF office and the local US attorney’s office.
For example, there is no way local ATF Agent Barney Fife is going to read this national / federal program that was briefed to Bush and can bet was briefed to Obama, decide on his own that this is a great idea, and notify the local US AG's office they were going to implement it.
There is no way in hell the local US AG's office Rep, Goober Pile, is NOT going to elevate this up the chain immediately and tell the local ATF to stand-down until coordination and approval is gotten from the top.
There is no way in hell any COMPETENT professionals in this 'local' chain are going to proceed with this operation, understanding what it is and what it entails, without coordinating with the State Department, Homeland Security, FBI, CIA, Border Patrol, etc...
- We aren't talking about a local 'sting' operation where you try to sell a rocket launcher to a Drug Cartel member out of the back of a car at the local Dairy Queen parking lot....this was DELIVERING HUNDREDS of AUTOMATIC WEAPONS and HAND GRENADES across our border to MEXICAN DRUG CARTELS.
Notifying and coordinating with he State Department, Homeland Security, the Border Patrol, NSA,CIA, and FBI would have been MANDATORY....so would notifying the Mexican Govt that we were going to try to conduct a criminal operation IN THEIR F*ING COUNTRY, one in which we were going to hand over a massive amount of weapons to Drug Cartels that are a massive threat to their government.
We already know the DOJ - run by US AG Eric Holder knew about this Op. Holder's Deputy briefed as much one day (link / story already provided)...which would explain why Holder committed felony perjury and why he refused to release documents.
If Obama did NOT know and found out Holder did, you really think he is going to protect someone who BETRAYED his and did this without him knowing about it? Bwuhahahaha.....
Also, if this 'rogue' local ATF agency and a 'rogue' US AG's local office ran this Op WITHOUT coordinating with all those agencies, without getting permission, and without Obama knowing about it....and it resulted in weapons being lost, US govt-supplied guns making the Drug Cartels stronger and responsible for the murder of Mexican women and children, AND resulted in the death of US citizens ... are you seriously suggesting AFTER learning about it all Obama STILL PROTECTED THEM from serious punishment?
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Several ATF officials were moved around and demoted...no one went to jail.
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One last thought....the guy who was busted illegally spying on citizens, reporters, the media, US Senators, and USSC Justices...who was found in Contempt of Court for violating Federal Judges' rulings twice...who has found in violation of the Constitution no less than twice...who admittedly violated the Constitution by imposing his own federal DACA EDICT because Congress was not giving him what he wanted...would never authorize an operation that would illegally supply Mexican Drug Cartels with automatic weapons and hand grenades...right?
Bwuhahahahahahaha......
Im sorry, but I don’t know what link you’re referring to that proves Holder knew. If you’re referring to the Infowars piece, it contains no facts that demonstrate such. It’s just an article that claims it happened. Can you provide your source please?
As for “competent” people running it up the chain of command. You may be right. But these guys clearly weren’t very competent. As for protecting from consequences, the people responsible were fired as part of the IG investigation. Others were demoted or resigned. There were no charges because there were no facts that could sustain a charge.
As for the “rules” that make it necessary to coordinate. I don’t know all the technicalities of the rules, I sorta doubt you do too, but let’s say you’re right for the sake of argument. These rules, are they impossible to ignore and/or break? I doubt it.
The IG reports on this issue contradict all your allegations of “debunking”.
Since I asked you for substantive facts, I’ll provide my own.
https://oig.justice.gov/reports/2012/s1209.pdf
This is what one should consider a reliable source.
Multiple links, documents, and testimony have been provided in many different threads - you act like this is the 1st one ever started on USM.
Holder was busted, caught red-handed. he committed perjury, the truth came out, and Holder refused to release documents - Obstruction.
If this is truly YOUR 1st time looking at this scandal I encourage you to do a little work, put forth a little effort, look up, open, and read some of the threads, see all the evidence provided yourself.
You can either educate yourself, or hold onto the beliefs you have already ignorantly decided to hold onto.
I asked if you had reviewed any of the IG reports on the matter. Have you ever done so?