Why we should listen to the 97%

[Toddsterpatriot]

How many years from earth's past had 7B energy guzzling humans on earth. The hardest lesson for conservatives is that we've never been here before. So their worship of what was is useless to everyone.

Ask a more difficult question....How many years from earth's past has had a mean global temperature considerably higher than the present and what does that say regarding our energy guzzling and corresponding meager contribution to a trace atmospheric gas?

In case you can't read a graph, the answer to the question is most of them. For the vast bulk of earth's history, the temperature has been higher than even the most dire predictions from your priests without 7B energy guzzling human beings. A quick look at the graph should tell you that we are in a cold period and the earth is going to come out of it with or without us.

What you don't seem to grasp is that the high priests of climate science know this and like the priests in the old days, are trying to use that knowledge to extort obedience from the uneducated masses...you being one. The problem is that things aren't going on schedule and like the priests of old, when their predictions fail, they lose power and must run for the tall grass.

Interesting that you haven't noticed the change in the narrative over the past few years. It used to be CO2 is the control knob...now it is a complex system with complex natural variables. Soon it will be as if warmers never existed because no one will admit to having been one just like no one will admit to having supported eugenics even though at one time it was mainstream consensus science.

You do realize that the issue with FFs is that we are recreating the climate from before they were formed, right? Before there were humans. Before humans built an advanced civilization adapted to the climate that we're leaving behind. Before there were 7B of us.

There's no question in my mind that some will survive the new environment. Some might even benefit. The pissed off losers will be those with either not enough, or too much water.

Ask the folks around Boulder.

The folks around Boulder are in trouble because of CO2 levels?

 

[Snookie]

EPA News Release.

[quote
CONTACT:
[email protected]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
September 18, 2013


EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy Testimony Before House Committee on Energy and Commerce’s Subcommittee on Energy and Power

WASHINGTON -- As prepared for delivery.

Chairman Whitfield, Ranking Member Rush, members of the Committee: Thank you for the opportunity to testify today.

In June, the President reaffirmed his commitment to reducing carbon pollution when he directed many federal agencies, including the Environmental Protection Agency, to take meaningful steps to mitigate the current and future damage caused by carbon dioxide emissions and to prepare for the anticipated climate changes that have already been set in motion.

Climate change is one of the greatest challenges of our time. Based on the evidence, more than 97% of climate scientists are convinced that human caused climate change is occurring. If our changing climate goes unchecked, it will have devastating impacts on the United States and the planet. Reducing carbon pollution is critically important to the protection of Americans’ health and the environment upon which our economy depends.

Responding to climate change is an urgent public health, safety, national security, and environmental imperative that presents an economic challenge and an economic opportunity. As the President has stated, both the economy and the environment must provide for current and future generations and we can and must embrace cutting carbon pollution as a spark for business innovation, job creation, clean energy and broad economic growth. The United States’ success over the past 40 years makes clear that environmental protection and economic growth go hand in hand.

The President’s Climate Action Plan directs federal agencies to address climate change using existing executive authorities. The Plan has three key pillars: cutting carbon pollution in America; preparing the country for the impacts of climate change; and leading international efforts to combat global climate change.

Cutting Carbon Pollution

EPA plays a critical role in implementing the Plan’s first pillar, cutting carbon pollution. Over the past four years, EPA has begun to address this task under the Clean Air Act.

Our first steps addressed motor vehicles, which emit nearly a third of U.S. carbon pollution. EPA and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, along with the auto industry and other stakeholders, worked together to set greenhouse gas and fuel economy standards for Model Year 2012 to 2025 light-duty vehicles. Over the life of these vehicles, the standards will save an estimated $1.7 trillion for consumers and businesses and cut America’s oil consumption by 12 billion barrels, while reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 6 billion metric tons.

EPA’s and NHTSA’s standards for model year 2014 through 2018 heavy-duty trucks and buses present a similar success story. Under the President’s Plan, we will be developing a second phase of heavy-duty vehicle standards for post 2018 model years.

Building on this success, the President asked EPA to work with states, utilities and other key stakeholders to develop plans to reduce carbon pollution from future and existing power plants, which are responsible for about 40 percent of America’s carbon pollution.

EPA will soon issue new proposed carbon pollution standards for future power plants, reflecting new information and the extensive public comments on our 2012 proposal. For existing plants, we are engaged in outreach to a broad group of stakeholders with expertise who can inform the development of proposed standards, regulations, or guidelines, which we expect to issue in June of 2014. These guidelines will provide guidance to States, which have the primary role in developing and implementing plans to address carbon pollution from existing plants. This framework will allow us to capitalize on state leadership and innovation while also accounting for regional diversity and providing the necessary flexibility.

The Plan also calls for the development of a comprehensive, interagency strategy to address emissions of methane – a powerful greenhouse gas that also contributes to ozone pollution, but which has substantial economic value. EPA will work with other agencies to assess emissions data, address data gaps, and identify opportunities to reduce methane emissions through incentive-based programs and existing authorities.

Preparing for Impacts of Climate Change

Even as we work to avoid dangerous climate change, we must strengthen America’s resilience to climate impacts we’re already experiencing and those that can no longer be avoided. The President’s Plan calls for a broad array of actions on this front. EPA will incorporate research on climate impacts into the implementation of our existing programs, and develop information and tools to help decision-makers – including State, local and tribal governments – to better understand and address these impacts. Further, EPA is working closely with our federal agency counterparts on several other aspects of building our national resilience, including developing the National Drought Resilience Partnership, ensuring the security of our freshwater supplies, protecting our water utilities, and protecting and restoring our forests in the fact of a changing climate.

International Efforts

Our changing climate is also a global challenge, and the President’s Plan recognizes that the United States must couple action at home with leadership abroad. Working closely with the State Department, EPA will continue to engage our international partners in reducing carbon pollution through an array of activities.. These include public-private partnership efforts to address emissions of methane and other short-lived climate pollutants under the Climate and Clean Air Coalition and the Global Methane Initiative, as well as bilateral cooperation with major economies.

Conclusion

The President’s Plan provides a roadmap for federal action to meet the pressing challenge of a changing climate– promoting clean energy solutions that capitalize on American innovation and drive economic growth. EPA looks forward to working with other federal agencies and all stakeholders on these critical efforts.

Thank you again for the opportunity to testify, and I look forward to answering your questions.

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[PMZ]

See my comment above about UN FOOD RIOT.

((DAMN TABLET toy. Its like a fischer price version of a computer interface.

So you see a connection between UN food workers and the IPCC?

Tell us how they're connected?

You're awfully slow.. No not the food workers... THE DELEGATES, BUREAUCRATS and their assistants TRASHED AND PILLAGED the place..

Food Fight - TIME

But as tensions grew and stomachs growled, a high-ranking U.N. official boldly ordered that all the cafeterias open their doors for business even without staff. The restaurants had been locked shut by security until about 1:00 pm when the doors flung open.

The decision to make the cafeterias into "no pay zones" spread through the 40-acre complex like wildfire. Soon, the hungry patrons came running. "It was chaos, wild, something out of a war scene," said one Aramark executive who was present. "They took everything, even the silverware," she said. Another witness from U.N. security said the cafeteria was "stripped bare." And another told TIME that the cafeteria raid was "unbelievable, crowds of people just taking everything in sight; they stripped the place bare." And yet another astonished witness said that "chickens, turkeys, souffles, casseroles all went out the door (unpaid)."

The mob then moved on to the Viennese Café, a popular snack bar in the U.N.'s conference room facility. It was also stripped bare. The takers included some well-known diplomats who finished off the raid with free drinks at the lounge for delegates. When asked how much liquor was lifted from the U.N. bar, one U.S. diplomat responded: "I stopped counting the bottles." He then excused himself and headed towards the men's room.

Barbarians...

May of 2003.

How about the barbarics of WWI? Or Ghengis Khan. Want to throw them in too.

You must be completely out of pertinent points.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

EPA News Release.

[quote
CONTACT:
[email protected]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
September 18, 2013


EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy Testimony Before House Committee on Energy and Commerce’s Subcommittee on Energy and Power

WASHINGTON -- As prepared for delivery.

Chairman Whitfield, Ranking Member Rush, members of the Committee: Thank you for the opportunity to testify today.

In June, the President reaffirmed his commitment to reducing carbon pollution when he directed many federal agencies, including the Environmental Protection Agency, to take meaningful steps to mitigate the current and future damage caused by carbon dioxide emissions and to prepare for the anticipated climate changes that have already been set in motion.

Climate change is one of the greatest challenges of our time. Based on the evidence, more than 97% of climate scientists are convinced that human caused climate change is occurring. If our changing climate goes unchecked, it will have devastating impacts on the United States and the planet. Reducing carbon pollution is critically important to the protection of Americans’ health and the environment upon which our economy depends.

Responding to climate change is an urgent public health, safety, national security, and environmental imperative that presents an economic challenge and an economic opportunity. As the President has stated, both the economy and the environment must provide for current and future generations and we can and must embrace cutting carbon pollution as a spark for business innovation, job creation, clean energy and broad economic growth. The United States’ success over the past 40 years makes clear that environmental protection and economic growth go hand in hand.

The President’s Climate Action Plan directs federal agencies to address climate change using existing executive authorities. The Plan has three key pillars: cutting carbon pollution in America; preparing the country for the impacts of climate change; and leading international efforts to combat global climate change.

Cutting Carbon Pollution

EPA plays a critical role in implementing the Plan’s first pillar, cutting carbon pollution. Over the past four years, EPA has begun to address this task under the Clean Air Act.

Our first steps addressed motor vehicles, which emit nearly a third of U.S. carbon pollution. EPA and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, along with the auto industry and other stakeholders, worked together to set greenhouse gas and fuel economy standards for Model Year 2012 to 2025 light-duty vehicles. Over the life of these vehicles, the standards will save an estimated $1.7 trillion for consumers and businesses and cut America’s oil consumption by 12 billion barrels, while reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 6 billion metric tons.

EPA’s and NHTSA’s standards for model year 2014 through 2018 heavy-duty trucks and buses present a similar success story. Under the President’s Plan, we will be developing a second phase of heavy-duty vehicle standards for post 2018 model years.

Building on this success, the President asked EPA to work with states, utilities and other key stakeholders to develop plans to reduce carbon pollution from future and existing power plants, which are responsible for about 40 percent of America’s carbon pollution.

EPA will soon issue new proposed carbon pollution standards for future power plants, reflecting new information and the extensive public comments on our 2012 proposal. For existing plants, we are engaged in outreach to a broad group of stakeholders with expertise who can inform the development of proposed standards, regulations, or guidelines, which we expect to issue in June of 2014. These guidelines will provide guidance to States, which have the primary role in developing and implementing plans to address carbon pollution from existing plants. This framework will allow us to capitalize on state leadership and innovation while also accounting for regional diversity and providing the necessary flexibility.

The Plan also calls for the development of a comprehensive, interagency strategy to address emissions of methane – a powerful greenhouse gas that also contributes to ozone pollution, but which has substantial economic value. EPA will work with other agencies to assess emissions data, address data gaps, and identify opportunities to reduce methane emissions through incentive-based programs and existing authorities.

Preparing for Impacts of Climate Change

Even as we work to avoid dangerous climate change, we must strengthen America’s resilience to climate impacts we’re already experiencing and those that can no longer be avoided. The President’s Plan calls for a broad array of actions on this front. EPA will incorporate research on climate impacts into the implementation of our existing programs, and develop information and tools to help decision-makers – including State, local and tribal governments – to better understand and address these impacts. Further, EPA is working closely with our federal agency counterparts on several other aspects of building our national resilience, including developing the National Drought Resilience Partnership, ensuring the security of our freshwater supplies, protecting our water utilities, and protecting and restoring our forests in the fact of a changing climate.

International Efforts

Our changing climate is also a global challenge, and the President’s Plan recognizes that the United States must couple action at home with leadership abroad. Working closely with the State Department, EPA will continue to engage our international partners in reducing carbon pollution through an array of activities.. These include public-private partnership efforts to address emissions of methane and other short-lived climate pollutants under the Climate and Clean Air Coalition and the Global Methane Initiative, as well as bilateral cooperation with major economies.

Conclusion

The President’s Plan provides a roadmap for federal action to meet the pressing challenge of a changing climate– promoting clean energy solutions that capitalize on American innovation and drive economic growth. EPA looks forward to working with other federal agencies and all stakeholders on these critical efforts.

Thank you again for the opportunity to testify, and I look forward to answering your questions.

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You should stop breathing, you're causing "carbon pollution".

 

[PMZ]

Leveling off of what?

The ignorance and level of denial is stunning.

He's trying to make a point. Nothing is leveling off.

And that is surface temperature. The lagging indicator of energy imbalance. The reason why we won't know the results of today's GHG concentrations for decades.

The earth is compelled to warm to compensate for our restricting outgoing longwave by using our atmosphere as a dumping ground.

How does warming happen? The answer is different for every sq ft of earth's surface, and involves energy exchange between water, land, ice, and atmosphere. And life.

Conservatives are confident that they can guess the final scenes from only the opening scenes because they want so badly a happy ending for themselves.

Liberals are much more realistic.

 

[PMZ]

Ask a more difficult question....How many years from earth's past has had a mean global temperature considerably higher than the present and what does that say regarding our energy guzzling and corresponding meager contribution to a trace atmospheric gas?

In case you can't read a graph, the answer to the question is most of them. For the vast bulk of earth's history, the temperature has been higher than even the most dire predictions from your priests without 7B energy guzzling human beings. A quick look at the graph should tell you that we are in a cold period and the earth is going to come out of it with or without us.

What you don't seem to grasp is that the high priests of climate science know this and like the priests in the old days, are trying to use that knowledge to extort obedience from the uneducated masses...you being one. The problem is that things aren't going on schedule and like the priests of old, when their predictions fail, they lose power and must run for the tall grass.

Interesting that you haven't noticed the change in the narrative over the past few years. It used to be CO2 is the control knob...now it is a complex system with complex natural variables. Soon it will be as if warmers never existed because no one will admit to having been one just like no one will admit to having supported eugenics even though at one time it was mainstream consensus science.

You do realize that the issue with FFs is that we are recreating the climate from before they were formed, right? Before there were humans. Before humans built an advanced civilization adapted to the climate that we're leaving behind. Before there were 7B of us.

There's no question in my mind that some will survive the new environment. Some might even benefit. The pissed off losers will be those with either not enough, or too much water.

Ask the folks around Boulder.

The folks around Boulder are in trouble because of CO2 levels?

The folks in Boulder are in extreme weather trouble as are more and more people every year. This rain storm beat the previous record by 2X.

Inquiring minds ask, what is changing? Scientific minds respond CO2. Conservative minds slam closed waiting for a more convenient answer.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You do realize that the issue with FFs is that we are recreating the climate from before they were formed, right? Before there were humans. Before humans built an advanced civilization adapted to the climate that we're leaving behind. Before there were 7B of us.

There's no question in my mind that some will survive the new environment. Some might even benefit. The pissed off losers will be those with either not enough, or too much water.

Ask the folks around Boulder.

The folks around Boulder are in trouble because of CO2 levels?

The folks in Boulder are in extreme weather trouble as are more and more people every year. This rain storm beat the previous record by 2X.

Inquiring minds ask, what is changing? Scientific minds respond CO2. Conservative minds slam closed waiting for a more convenient answer.

This rain storm beat the previous record by 2X.

Over what time frame?

Inquiring minds ask, what is changing? Scientific minds respond CO2.

Yeah, and Katrina was caused by CO2.

 

[PMZ]

EPA News Release.

[quote
CONTACT:
[email protected]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
September 18, 2013


EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy Testimony Before House Committee on Energy and Commerce’s Subcommittee on Energy and Power

WASHINGTON -- As prepared for delivery.

Chairman Whitfield, Ranking Member Rush, members of the Committee: Thank you for the opportunity to testify today.

In June, the President reaffirmed his commitment to reducing carbon pollution when he directed many federal agencies, including the Environmental Protection Agency, to take meaningful steps to mitigate the current and future damage caused by carbon dioxide emissions and to prepare for the anticipated climate changes that have already been set in motion.

Climate change is one of the greatest challenges of our time. Based on the evidence, more than 97% of climate scientists are convinced that human caused climate change is occurring. If our changing climate goes unchecked, it will have devastating impacts on the United States and the planet. Reducing carbon pollution is critically important to the protection of Americans’ health and the environment upon which our economy depends.

Responding to climate change is an urgent public health, safety, national security, and environmental imperative that presents an economic challenge and an economic opportunity. As the President has stated, both the economy and the environment must provide for current and future generations and we can and must embrace cutting carbon pollution as a spark for business innovation, job creation, clean energy and broad economic growth. The United States’ success over the past 40 years makes clear that environmental protection and economic growth go hand in hand.

The President’s Climate Action Plan directs federal agencies to address climate change using existing executive authorities. The Plan has three key pillars: cutting carbon pollution in America; preparing the country for the impacts of climate change; and leading international efforts to combat global climate change.

Cutting Carbon Pollution

EPA plays a critical role in implementing the Plan’s first pillar, cutting carbon pollution. Over the past four years, EPA has begun to address this task under the Clean Air Act.

Our first steps addressed motor vehicles, which emit nearly a third of U.S. carbon pollution. EPA and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, along with the auto industry and other stakeholders, worked together to set greenhouse gas and fuel economy standards for Model Year 2012 to 2025 light-duty vehicles. Over the life of these vehicles, the standards will save an estimated $1.7 trillion for consumers and businesses and cut America’s oil consumption by 12 billion barrels, while reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 6 billion metric tons.

EPA’s and NHTSA’s standards for model year 2014 through 2018 heavy-duty trucks and buses present a similar success story. Under the President’s Plan, we will be developing a second phase of heavy-duty vehicle standards for post 2018 model years.

Building on this success, the President asked EPA to work with states, utilities and other key stakeholders to develop plans to reduce carbon pollution from future and existing power plants, which are responsible for about 40 percent of America’s carbon pollution.

EPA will soon issue new proposed carbon pollution standards for future power plants, reflecting new information and the extensive public comments on our 2012 proposal. For existing plants, we are engaged in outreach to a broad group of stakeholders with expertise who can inform the development of proposed standards, regulations, or guidelines, which we expect to issue in June of 2014. These guidelines will provide guidance to States, which have the primary role in developing and implementing plans to address carbon pollution from existing plants. This framework will allow us to capitalize on state leadership and innovation while also accounting for regional diversity and providing the necessary flexibility.

The Plan also calls for the development of a comprehensive, interagency strategy to address emissions of methane – a powerful greenhouse gas that also contributes to ozone pollution, but which has substantial economic value. EPA will work with other agencies to assess emissions data, address data gaps, and identify opportunities to reduce methane emissions through incentive-based programs and existing authorities.

Preparing for Impacts of Climate Change

Even as we work to avoid dangerous climate change, we must strengthen America’s resilience to climate impacts we’re already experiencing and those that can no longer be avoided. The President’s Plan calls for a broad array of actions on this front. EPA will incorporate research on climate impacts into the implementation of our existing programs, and develop information and tools to help decision-makers – including State, local and tribal governments – to better understand and address these impacts. Further, EPA is working closely with our federal agency counterparts on several other aspects of building our national resilience, including developing the National Drought Resilience Partnership, ensuring the security of our freshwater supplies, protecting our water utilities, and protecting and restoring our forests in the fact of a changing climate.

International Efforts

Our changing climate is also a global challenge, and the President’s Plan recognizes that the United States must couple action at home with leadership abroad. Working closely with the State Department, EPA will continue to engage our international partners in reducing carbon pollution through an array of activities.. These include public-private partnership efforts to address emissions of methane and other short-lived climate pollutants under the Climate and Clean Air Coalition and the Global Methane Initiative, as well as bilateral cooperation with major economies.

Conclusion

The President’s Plan provides a roadmap for federal action to meet the pressing challenge of a changing climate– promoting clean energy solutions that capitalize on American innovation and drive economic growth. EPA looks forward to working with other federal agencies and all stakeholders on these critical efforts.

Thank you again for the opportunity to testify, and I look forward to answering your questions.

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Conservatives claim that they have stopped progress in favor of their usual solution, doing nothing.

I say that we let them continue to do nothing as in the few times in history when they did do something, it was wrong.

Leave them here seems to be the growing choice of the American electorate. Even the GOP is agreeing for the most part.

 

[Snookie]

The folks around Boulder are in trouble because of CO2 levels?

The folks in Boulder are in extreme weather trouble as are more and more people every year. This rain storm beat the previous record by 2X.

Inquiring minds ask, what is changing? Scientific minds respond CO2. Conservative minds slam closed waiting for a more convenient answer.

This rain storm beat the previous record by 2X.

Over what time frame?

Inquiring minds ask, what is changing? Scientific minds respond CO2.

Yeah, and Katrina was caused by CO2.

It was caused by toads like you.

 

[PMZ]

The folks around Boulder are in trouble because of CO2 levels?

The folks in Boulder are in extreme weather trouble as are more and more people every year. This rain storm beat the previous record by 2X.

Inquiring minds ask, what is changing? Scientific minds respond CO2. Conservative minds slam closed waiting for a more convenient answer.

This rain storm beat the previous record by 2X.

Over what time frame?

Inquiring minds ask, what is changing? Scientific minds respond CO2.

Yeah, and Katrina was caused by CO2.

I'll bet you wish that you were educated enough to understand that the right question to ask when effects change is how has the cause changed.

And further, knew enough statistics to understand random vs assignable cause variability.

Life in the absence of science is a bunch of guesses.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The folks in Boulder are in extreme weather trouble as are more and more people every year. This rain storm beat the previous record by 2X.

Inquiring minds ask, what is changing? Scientific minds respond CO2. Conservative minds slam closed waiting for a more convenient answer.

This rain storm beat the previous record by 2X.

Over what time frame?

Inquiring minds ask, what is changing? Scientific minds respond CO2.

Yeah, and Katrina was caused by CO2.

I'll bet you wish that you were educated enough to understand that the right question to ask when effects change is how has the cause changed.

And further, knew enough statistics to understand random vs assignable cause variability.

Life in the absence of science is a bunch of guesses.

So was that a yes, Katrina was caused by our CO2?

 

[SSDD]

Soon it will be as if warmers never existed because no one will admit to having been one just like no one will admit to having supported eugenics even though at one time it was mainstream consensus science.

Keep your running shoes handy old man. Mobs can be quick.

Exactly the mentality of warmists. Good to see you admit it.

 

[SSDD]

''It used to be CO2 is the control knob...now it is a complex system with complex natural variables.''

It's always been about CO2. That’s what FFs took out of the atmosphere when they were formed and we're putting back in.

Want you want is a favor from God that they won't do now what they did then.

What we accept from science is that they will do now what they did then even though it's inconvenient to man. Not to mention grossly expensive.

Guess you are unaware that the atmosphere is postively starved for CO2 at present relative to the rest of earth history. As the climate warms, CO2 follows. Billions of years of history bears this out.

 

[PMZ]

This rain storm beat the previous record by 2X.

Over what time frame?

Inquiring minds ask, what is changing? Scientific minds respond CO2.

Yeah, and Katrina was caused by CO2.

I'll bet you wish that you were educated enough to understand that the right question to ask when effects change is how has the cause changed.

And further, knew enough statistics to understand random vs assignable cause variability.

Life in the absence of science is a bunch of guesses.

So was that a yes, Katrina was caused by our CO2?

Increased atmospheric instability is caused by excess global energy.

Do you really think that it's possible to identify which ones would have occurred in our old climate and which only in our new climate?

Lots of luck with that science.

 

[bripat9643]

I'll bet you wish that you were educated enough to understand that the right question to ask when effects change is how has the cause changed.

And further, knew enough statistics to understand random vs assignable cause variability.

Life in the absence of science is a bunch of guesses.

So was that a yes, Katrina was caused by our CO2?

Increased atmospheric instability is caused by excess global energy.

Do you really think that it's possible to identify which ones would have occurred in our old climate and which only in our new climate?

Lots of luck with that science.

No, it's not possible identify extreme weather events caused by global warming. Nevertheless, that hasn't stopped your fellow cult members from saying that global warming caused the flooding in Colorado. That leads rational people to conclude that you're all a bunch of hacks.

 

[PMZ]

''It used to be CO2 is the control knob...now it is a complex system with complex natural variables.''

It's always been about CO2. That’s what FFs took out of the atmosphere when they were formed and we're putting back in.

Want you want is a favor from God that they won't do now what they did then.

What we accept from science is that they will do now what they did then even though it's inconvenient to man. Not to mention grossly expensive.

Guess you are unaware that the atmosphere is postively starved for CO2 at present relative to the rest of earth history. As the climate warms, CO2 follows. Billions of years of history bears this out.

Billions of years over which only nature had the capability.

Now humanity can recreate what nature created and uncreated in the past. Pre-carboniferous CO2 concentrations.

If we had followed conservatives and stayed in the caves and not had babies and the Industrial Revolution, we'd be fine.

Some of us will be fine. Others will be dead by our own common hand adapting to a new climate.

I'll bet there are some new believers in science in Boulder now. As well as a few ''told you so's''.

 

[bripat9643]

''It used to be CO2 is the control knob...now it is a complex system with complex natural variables.''

It's always been about CO2. That’s what FFs took out of the atmosphere when they were formed and we're putting back in.

Want you want is a favor from God that they won't do now what they did then.

What we accept from science is that they will do now what they did then even though it's inconvenient to man. Not to mention grossly expensive.

Guess you are unaware that the atmosphere is postively starved for CO2 at present relative to the rest of earth history. As the climate warms, CO2 follows. Billions of years of history bears this out.

Billions of years over which only nature had the capability.

Now humanity can recreate what nature created and uncreated in the past. Pre-carboniferous CO2 concentrations.

If we had followed conservatives and stayed in the caves and not had babies and the Industrial Revolution, we'd be fine.

Some of us will be fine. Others will be dead by our own common hand adapting to a new climate.

I'll bet there are some new believers in science in Boulder now. As well as a few ''told you so's''.

So you're in favor of an 80% infant mortality rate, occasional famines, non-existent medical care and all the other creature comforts that our stone age ancestors enjoyed?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I'll bet you wish that you were educated enough to understand that the right question to ask when effects change is how has the cause changed.

And further, knew enough statistics to understand random vs assignable cause variability.

Life in the absence of science is a bunch of guesses.

So was that a yes, Katrina was caused by our CO2?

Increased atmospheric instability is caused by excess global energy.

Do you really think that it's possible to identify which ones would have occurred in our old climate and which only in our new climate?

Lots of luck with that science.

Do you really think that it's possible to identify which ones would have occurred in our old climate and which only in our new climate?


Warmist idiots do it all the time.
Some even blamed the rain in Colorado on CO2.

 

[Snookie]

Guess you are unaware that the atmosphere is postively starved for CO2 at present relative to the rest of earth history. As the climate warms, CO2 follows. Billions of years of history bears this out.

Billions of years over which only nature had the capability.

Now humanity can recreate what nature created and uncreated in the past. Pre-carboniferous CO2 concentrations.

If we had followed conservatives and stayed in the caves and not had babies and the Industrial Revolution, we'd be fine.

Some of us will be fine. Others will be dead by our own common hand adapting to a new climate.

I'll bet there are some new believers in science in Boulder now. As well as a few ''told you so's''.

So you're in favor of an 80% infant mortality rate, occasional famines, non-existent medical care and all the other creature comforts that our stone age ancestors enjoyed?

He didn't say that, you dumb fuck. You just did, though.

 

[bripat9643]

Billions of years over which only nature had the capability.

Now humanity can recreate what nature created and uncreated in the past. Pre-carboniferous CO2 concentrations.

If we had followed conservatives and stayed in the caves and not had babies and the Industrial Revolution, we'd be fine.

Some of us will be fine. Others will be dead by our own common hand adapting to a new climate.

I'll bet there are some new believers in science in Boulder now. As well as a few ''told you so's''.

So you're in favor of an 80% infant mortality rate, occasional famines, non-existent medical care and all the other creature comforts that our stone age ancestors enjoyed?

He didn't say that, you dumb fuck. You just did, though.

Sure he did. he said if we had continued the stone age way of life, "we would be fine." All the things I listed are part of the stone age way of living.