JakeStarkey
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JRK is posting mere demagoguery.
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Then why is it that many on the left have no respect for me?
that kid has the same feelings about what he is doing in Iraq as I do, or he would not be there
He knew when he joined the marines that he would probably see action in Iraq
I've no idea...maybe because you judge someone's argument on whether it comes from the 'left' or the 'right' rather than on its merits?
Are you saying that everyone joins the army for political reasons?
If you thought we had no business in Iraq, would you join?
in 2007 prior to us being told that by the way there was 500 metric tons of yellow cake over there and the DODs presentation of the WMDs we had found never made it to the National enquirer, much less the main stream medias programming
knowing you have been told Bush lied, people died
knowing that there is going to be a surge
why would you join?
Right?
Left?
who said anything about right and left?
Why is it when we discuss these matters its about left? right?
this is information
I've no idea...maybe because you judge someone's argument on whether it comes from the 'left' or the 'right' rather than on its merits?
Are you saying that everyone joins the army for political reasons?
If you thought we had no business in Iraq, would you join?
in 2007 prior to us being told that by the way there was 500 metric tons of yellow cake over there and the DODs presentation of the WMDs we had found never made it to the National enquirer, much less the main stream medias programming
knowing you have been told Bush lied, people died
knowing that there is going to be a surge
why would you join?
Right?
Left?
who said anything about right and left?
Why is it when we discuss these matters its about left? right?
this is information
So you're saying 'yes', soldiers serve to support their political beliefs.
You were the one who whined about getting no respect from people on 'the left'.
JRK is posting mere demagoguery.
JRK is posting mere demagoguery.
And you feel he's treading on your territory?
Kaz and JRK want to insert their opinions as fact, and they are called on it every time. JRK does not understand that his "facts" are not indeed incontrovertible facts that prove his point; actually, quite the reverse.
JRK has every right to run away. Kaz, at least, stays to fight. Congrats for that.
Kaz calls any legitimate disagreement "liberal facts". Nonsense. The fact is Shenseki said we need much more troops or we can't secure the peace: fact. The fact is that WMDs as portrayed by the bushies were not found: fact. The fact is that the Iraqi war helped to bust the economy: fact. The fact is that the USA is not any more safer today than in 2003: fact. The fact is that Iran and Iraq keep cozying up to us: fact.
Fact: JRK is a demagogue, and Kaz can't accept facts.
Kaz and JRK want to insert their opinions as fact, and they are called on it every time. JRK does not understand that his "facts" are not indeed incontrovertible facts that prove his point; actually, quite the reverse.
JRK has every right to run away. Kaz, at least, stays to fight. Congrats for that.
You're not talking about "facts" though, you're talking about "liberal facts." A liberal fact is any statement, no matter how factually untrue, which supports a liberal argument. A "lie" on the other hand is any statement, no matter how factually true, which counters a liberal argument. Which is the only reason your arguments work. Every statement that supports them is by definition "truth" and any statement that counters them is by definition "lie." Now that you understand liberal logic, go back and read your and other liberal posts and all of a sudden your inane ramblings suddenly make sense. They are in fact irrefutable arguments. By definition. Any statement refuting them is a "lie."
The facts clearly reveal that you are supporting an untenable position.
The war never should have occurred. Are the dems, who supported it because they were weak then, still hammering the pubs for it now; you bet.
Both leftwing and rightwing progressive neo-cons started a war that should never have happened.
I am Republican, Kaz, while you are nothing more than a libertarian trying to influence GOP politics.
I don't need the right-wing progressive neo-cons in the GOP any more than I need libertarians, either right or left leaning.
You call me 'liberal' because you disagree with me, not because you can prove I am not a classical liberal, which all good Republicans are.
I am Republican, Kaz, while you are nothing more than a libertarian trying to influence GOP politics.
I don't need the right-wing progressive neo-cons in the GOP any more than I need libertarians, either right or left leaning.
You call me 'liberal' because you disagree with me, not because you can prove I am not a classical liberal, which all good Republicans are.
Oxymoron.
I am Republican, Kaz
I am Republican, Kaz, while you are nothing more than a libertarian trying to influence GOP politics.
I don't need the right-wing progressive neo-cons in the GOP any more than I need libertarians, either right or left leaning.
You call me 'liberal' because you disagree with me, not because you can prove I am not a classical liberal, which all good Republicans are.
Oxymoron.