Why would anyone continue to claim the iraqi war was a failure?

[BlindBoo]

what has amazed about this entire thread is the number of people who have no idea why there against what we did and think they have the right to decide what happens to those people who had the courage and reasons within there hearts to volunteer to do what they felt was the right thing

Every time there reasons have been in correct
they have blamed GWB and not said a word about the UN stating the very same things
It has been proven 100 times that the Military did find out dated but still carrying the nasty WMDs
over 500 of them. And some-how these munitions are not the same as one that was sitting on a scud ready to launch
the UN and the US congress did not state what shape the container that held the mustard gas was suppose to be in
THE SHIT WAS SUPPOSE TO BE GONE
nor the yellow cake

and what happened to the anthrax and the nerve gas and the other 6000 munitions that Saddam had according to everybody including the UN and Saddams own documents?

Buried like he buried his fighter jets?

No threat to us?

Look your opinions are fine with me, but try and find a reason that is real and stop taking what I say out of context because thats all you have left

Wow I am amazed at your dazzling display of ESP and communication with the dead.

Fact is the UN did not authorized any member state to remove Saddam's governement from power did they?

The US accused Iraq of actively producing and stockpiling massive amounts of Chemical and Biological weapons did they not? They were also accused of having an active nuclear program correct?

The small amount of muntions that are missing from their once hugh stockpile of weapons doesn't represent a grave enough threat to spend the lives of our proud volunteers in the military, IMHO.

The amount of mis information that you libs re peat is treasonous in my opinion
The UN does not hold jurisdiction over the US congress, but lets say they did

they were wrong to start with (The UN)
There was WMDs
There was yellow cake stock-piled
2nd, they were getting kick backs with the oil for food program, and third, there was 54 other nations invaded/supported our invasion
You opinion of what is a threat and what the US congress and our president thought is not the same
stop thinking it is and that you matter other than 1 vote
and stop lying

The amount of WMD material found was never in question, it was if
answer me 1 question
If this yellow cake was just sitting around from the 80s or early 90s. Why did it take until 2008 to get it out of there?

It was sold. It wasn't gotten out of there as some kind of precausion.

You know what they say about opinions don'tcha?

 

[francoHFW]

yellowcake is crappe. tyvm

 

[Raoul_Duke]

answer me 1 question
If this yellow cake was just sitting around from the 80s or early 90s. Why did it take until 2008 to get it out of there?

The yellowcake was in Iraq in a monitored location and under IAEA seal. It wasn't removed because it didn't have to be, if one ounce of it had been removed the IAEA would have known. It had been monitored for twelve years and was still totally intact in 2003 when Saddam let inspectors back into Iraq. It only went missing when the US failed to secure the site it was at after we invaded.

And of course it's irrelevant anyway because, as I just pointed out, even the Bush administration finally admitted that Saddam didn't have any WMD programme.

 

[Raoul_Duke]

Bush defiantly asserted a right to attack Iraq, even without sanction from the Security Council. "The United States of America has the sovereign authority to use force in assuring its own national security," he said. "The United States and our allies are authorized to use force in ridding Iraq of weapons of mass destruction. This is not a question of authority. It is a question of will."

It is really a shame that the low life motherfucker will not be arrested , taken before the International Court of Justice , given a fair trial then promptly executed.

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When I get to fifteen posts I'll send you a link to a nice photograph.

And here we go:

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[JRK]

Why would anyone continue to claim the Iraqi war was a failure?

Because we spent a trillion dollars and 4,000 American lives to set up a Shia government in Iraq allied with Iran.

The 4000 women and men who sacrificed there Lives did it because they felt it was the right thing to do. Who are you to question that?
as far as the money goes, BHO failed stimulus cost as much as the IRAQI war
WMDs gone
yellow cake gone
A man who had killed over 1 million people, gone
Lied to the world when he was given 100s of chances

The one million people thing. That number is generally quoted as the number killed when Saddam invaded Iran. And do you know who backed him in that war? Who was supporting him when he invaded Iran? So back then we weren't bothered about a million people dying. Don't you think it's a little hypocritical of war supporters to use the one million number now as a reason to invade him when we supported the guy before, during and after all those deaths?

And as for whether we found WMDs or not.

After we'd invaded and it became apparent there wasn't anything there Bush in desperation hand-picked the most gung ho weapons inspector there was, Charles Duelfer, a guy who'd staked his reputation on there being WMDs in Iraq, and sent him to Iraq to write the definitive report on exactly what WMDs there had been in Iraq. And he produced the following report. This is Bush's hand picked guy rmember, a guy who had a lot to lose if nothing was found. And here's what he found :

U.S. 'Almost All Wrong' on Weapons
Report on Iraq Contradicts Bush Administration Claims

By Dana Priest and Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, October 7, 2004; Page A01

The 1991 Persian Gulf War and subsequent U.N. inspections destroyed Iraq's illicit weapons capability and, for the most part, Saddam Hussein did not try to rebuild it, according to an extensive report by the chief U.S. weapons inspector in Iraq that contradicts nearly every prewar assertion made by top administration officials about Iraq.

Charles A. Duelfer, whom the Bush administration chose to complete the U.S. investigation of Iraq's weapons programs, said Hussein's ability to produce nuclear weapons had "progressively decayed" since 1991. Inspectors, he said, found no evidence of "concerted efforts to restart the program."

The findings were similar on biological and chemical weapons. While Hussein had long dreamed of developing an arsenal of biological agents, his stockpiles had been destroyed and research stopped years before the United States led the invasion of Iraq in March 2003. Duelfer said Hussein hoped someday to resume a chemical weapons effort after U.N. sanctions ended, but had no stocks and had not researched making the weapons for a dozen years.

Duelfer's report, delivered yesterday to two congressional committees, represents the government's most definitive accounting of Hussein's weapons programs, the assumed strength of which the Bush administration presented as a central reason for the war. While previous reports have drawn similar conclusions, Duelfer's assessment went beyond them in depth, detail and level of certainty........

I can't post a link but you can find it easily with the google.

I just wrote a post about the mountain of mis information the left has amassed
okay
the 1 million number
Number of Victims

According to The New York Times, "he [Saddam] murdered as many as a million of his people, many with poison gas. He tortured, maimed and imprisoned countless more. His unprovoked invasion of Iran is estimated to have left another million people dead. His seizure of Kuwait threw the Middle East into crisis. More insidious, arguably, was the psychological damage he inflicted on his own land. Hussein created a nation of informants — friends on friends, circles within circles — making an entire population complicit in his rule".[9] Others have estimated 800,000 deaths caused by Saddam not counting the Iran-Iraq war.[10] Estimates as to the number of Iraqis executed by Saddam's regime vary from 300-500,000[11] to over 600,000,[12] estimates as to the number of Kurds he massacred vary from 70,000 to 300,000,[13] and estimates as to the number killed in the put-down of the 1991 rebellion vary from 60,000[14] to 200,000.[12] Estimates for the number of dead in the Iran-Iraq war range upwards from 300,000.[15]
[edit]Iraq sanctions

As far as WMDS go
you liberals just do not get it

Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says

By Samantha L. Quigley
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center's commander said here today.
"These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes ... they do constitute weapons of mass destruction," Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee
Defense.gov News Article: Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says

Now let us visit what Hans Blix said about these weapons that do not exist on jan 27th 2003
FACTS - UN Chief inspector Hans Blix reported to Security Council members that Iraq failed to account for 1,000 tons of chemical agent, 6,500 chemical bombs, 25,000 liters of anthrax, 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin, 500 tons of sarin, mustard gas and VX nerve agent and 380 rocket engines useful in the delivery of biological and chemical agents.

March 9, 2004 U.S. Army troops operating at a former Iraqi air base discovered numerous Russian made missiles. They are more than 6 feet long and each carried 1.6 kilograms or about 3.5 pounds of radioactive uranium wrapped around a high explosive warhead. The uranium is not pure enough nor in large enough quantity to be a nuclear warhead. U.S. bomb experts noted the R-60 warheads are similar in design and content to a so-called "dirty bomb" that could contaminate a small area with radioactive materials.
Weapons of Mass Destruction Iraq

In statements and reports, Blix's inspection team reported that despite Iraq's denials, there were indications that Iraq had created weapons of mass destruction, including VX agent, a weapon that Blix described as "one of the most toxic [nerve agents] ever developed." Blix's report also contained evidence that Iraq had provided contradictory information about its VX stocks in a 12,000-page declaration regarding Iraq's weapons programs that Iraq supplied to the Security Council in December 2002. The United States and United Kingdom contended that Iraq's false declaration to the Security Council was clear and convincing evidence of Iraq's continued unwillingness to comply with United Nations resolutions and to peacefully disarm.

UN inspection reports provided evidence to the Security Council that Iraq had failed to account for 6,500 chemical bombs, thousand of tons of known chemical agents, empty chemical warheads (including an empty Sakr-18 chemical warhead) discovered subsequent to Iraq's declaration, and stocks of thiodiglycol (a precursor of mustard gas).

Iraq admitted to producing—in violation of international law—8,500 liters of anthrax bacteria capable of use in biological warfare. Iraq claimed that production stopped before the first Persian Gulf War and that it destroyed the anthrax. UN inspection reports stated, "Iraq has provided little evidence for this production and no convincing evidence for its destruction." In addition, UN inspectors concluded that there were strong indications that Iraq had manufactured far greater stores of anthrax.

Blix also reported that Iraq had manufactured a missile, the Samoud 2, that violated United Nations range restrictions limiting missiles to a range of 90 miles (150 kilometers). Inspectors also provided evidence to the Security Council that Iraq rebuilt a missile plant that had previously been destroyed by earlier inspection teams and that it continued to illegally import chemicals used in formulating missile fuels and prohibited weapons. Blix ordered Iraq to begin destruction of the prohibited missiles by March 1, 2003, and to cease production of the missiles. Blix also insisted that Iraq begin to allow U-2 reconnaissance aircraft overflights demanded by inspectors.



Read more: Iraq War: Prelude to War (The International Debate Over the Use and Effectiveness of Weapons Inspections) - Iraq War: Prelude to War (The International Debate Over the Use and Effectiveness of Weapons Inspections) -

 

[Nic_Driver]

" Why would anyone continue to claim the iraqi war was a failure?"

Because there is always some anti-American crybaby determined to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

"If you don't want american soldiers to die in a war based on lies, having nothing to do with defense of the United States, you're anti-american!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I thought that the rule of law was part of what makes us America.

It would seem that those who espouse illegal actions are running counter to American ideals.

 

[JRK]

ROTF. Your last link provided this tibit:

The AP article, published on July 5, said that a large amount of yellowcake uranium was, in fact, sold by Iraq to Canada, as part of a secret mission facilitated by the U.S. But this uranium was known to have been in Iraq following the conclusion of the first Gulf War. It was not "found" in 2003, as the IBD editorial claims. As the AP article said, "There was no evidence of any yellowcake dating from after 1991, [a senior U.S. official] said."

July 5 marked the completion of the operation in which the United States removed 550 metric tons of yellowcake uranium from Tuwaitha, the facility that once served as the center of Iraq’s nuclear activities.The uranium was then shipped to Canada. Cameco Corp., a Canadian uranium producer, bought the material and plans to enrich it, before selling it to nuclear plants worldwide. According to Cameco’s Web site, yellowcake uranium, or uranium oxide, is uranium that has been milled and mined but requires further processing before it can be used as a fuel.

So all of that time the UN was not in Iraq they did what with this yellow cake that no-one said one word about until 2008?
And your source is more accurate than my source?
and that in 2003 with a war going on just who was baby sitting this stuff then?
you think this shit is funny?

I think you are funny! It was from the link you provided.

That the US found the yellow cake in 2003?
you think thats funny?
No-one knows the truth, no more than can any-one explain how the UN had control of this stuff when there was years they were not there

 

[Nic_Driver]

answer me 1 question
If this yellow cake was just sitting around from the 80s or early 90s. Why did it take until 2008 to get it out of there?

The yellowcake was in Iraq in a monitored location and under IAEA seal. It wasn't removed because it didn't have to be, if one ounce of it had been removed the IAEA would have known. It had been monitored for twelve years and was still totally intact in 2003 when Saddam let inspectors back into Iraq. It only went missing when the US failed to secure the site it was at after we invaded.

And of course it's irrelevant anyway because, as I just pointed out, even the Bush administration finally admitted that Saddam didn't have any WMD programme.

He's been told this over and over again Raoul but he has a hard time understanding it.

His whole argument has been specifically debunked multiple times in multiple post by multiple people and he has yet to answer any point directly.

He just continues to re-use the now debunked points, how do you debate with such ignorance?

 

[JRK]

answer me 1 question
If this yellow cake was just sitting around from the 80s or early 90s. Why did it take until 2008 to get it out of there?

The yellowcake was in Iraq in a monitored location and under IAEA seal. It wasn't removed because it didn't have to be, if one ounce of it had been removed the IAEA would have known. It had been monitored for twelve years and was still totally intact in 2003 when Saddam let inspectors back into Iraq. It only went missing when the US failed to secure the site it was at after we invaded.

And of course it's irrelevant anyway because, as I just pointed out, even the Bush administration finally admitted that Saddam didn't have any WMD programme.

Do you have a link to that, and answer me this
why does the department of defense go to congress in 2006 and provide proof that there are over 500 munitions that meet the criteria as a WMD just so GWB can later say thats a lie?

this is called a link and a passage from the link'
ASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center's commander said here today.
"These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes ... they do constitute weapons of mass destruction," Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee
that would be the passage
The armed service committee would be congress
here comes the link
Defense.gov News Article: Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says

 

[Contumacious]

Do you have a link to that, and answer me this
why does the department of defense go to congress in 2006 and provide proof that there are over 500 munitions that meet the criteria as a WMD just so GWB can later say thats a lie?

I thought you would never ask.

According to USAF Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski

"I witnessed neoconservative agenda bearers within OSP usurp measured and carefully considered assessments, and through suppression and distortion of intelligence analysis promulgate what were in fact falsehoods to both Congress and the executive office of the president. "

The new Pentagon papers - Salon.com


So read , learn go forth and sin no more.

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[NoNukes]

" Why would anyone continue to claim the iraqi war was a failure?"

Because there is always some anti-American crybaby determined to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

I am so sick of hearing all of this whining
Was there mistakes?
every-one made a mistake

what kills me is Saddam caused all of this and none of these liberals will say one word about him, but will jump all up and down the president along with the kids who believed in that president and what he was doing
Hell the UBN stated the man by his own documents had 6500 munitions
gaggle of anthrax
He buried his fucking air-force in the fucking sand and these libs think this shit is a joke

Every-one should have to sit and watch those people who jumped to there deaths on 9-11 instead of burning to death every morning until they realize what it means to be the commander in chief
and what it means to defend this countrt

We say plenty, especially the parts about how he was backed by America when he committed many of these atrocities. Where was your voice then, you were probably too busy saluting the flag?

 

[JRK]

" Why would anyone continue to claim the iraqi war was a failure?"

Because there is always some anti-American crybaby determined to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

I am so sick of hearing all of this whining
Was there mistakes?
every-one made a mistake

what kills me is Saddam caused all of this and none of these liberals will say one word about him, but will jump all up and down the president along with the kids who believed in that president and what he was doing
Hell the UBN stated the man by his own documents had 6500 munitions
gaggle of anthrax
He buried his fucking air-force in the fucking sand and these libs think this shit is a joke

Every-one should have to sit and watch those people who jumped to there deaths on 9-11 instead of burning to death every morning until they realize what it means to be the commander in chief
and what it means to defend this countrt

We say plenty, especially the parts about how he was backed by America when he committed many of these atrocities. Where was your voice then, you were probably too busy saluting the flag?

Mr Nukes I have no idea what your talking about
but let us pretend i gave you a M16 and you go and kill 1 million people with it

Is it my fault to have given you the M-16 or is it yours for being a homicidal maniac?

 

[JRK]

answer me 1 question
If this yellow cake was just sitting around from the 80s or early 90s. Why did it take until 2008 to get it out of there?

The yellowcake was in Iraq in a monitored location and under IAEA seal. It wasn't removed because it didn't have to be, if one ounce of it had been removed the IAEA would have known. It had been monitored for twelve years and was still totally intact in 2003 when Saddam let inspectors back into Iraq. It only went missing when the US failed to secure the site it was at after we invaded.

And of course it's irrelevant anyway because, as I just pointed out, even the Bush administration finally admitted that Saddam didn't have any WMD programme.

Do you have a link to that, and answer me this
why does the department of defense go to congress in 2006 and provide proof that there are over 500 munitions that meet the criteria as a WMD just so GWB can later say thats a lie?

this is called a link and a passage from the link'
ASHINGTON, June 29, 2006 – The 500 munitions discovered throughout Iraq since 2003 and discussed in a National Ground Intelligence Center report meet the criteria of weapons of mass destruction, the center's commander said here today.
"These are chemical weapons as defined under the Chemical Weapons Convention, and yes ... they do constitute weapons of mass destruction," Army Col. John Chu told the House Armed Services Committee
that would be the passage
The armed service committee would be congress
here comes the link
Defense.gov News Article: Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says

I am still waiting for your link

 

[JakeStarkey]

JRK continues to post debunked material, the actions of a progressive right-wing neo-con imperialist.

 

[idb]

The 4000 women and men who sacrificed there Lives did it because they felt it was the right thing to do. Who are you to question that?
as far as the money goes, BHO failed stimulus cost as much as the IRAQI war
WMDs gone
yellow cake gone
A man who had killed over 1 million people, gone
Lied to the world when he was given 100s of chances

Is this private?
Wouldn't it be tragic if the 4,000 people were deceived and died for a false cause?

You know those 4000 kids dont think they were lied to
You have no right questioning those kids courage
YOU HAVE NO RIGHT
You dont like GWB, thats your cross to bear. Those kids knew what they were getting into when they volunteered
LET IT GO
ITS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS
THAT WAS THERE CHOICE, RESPECT IT OR SHUT UP

Aaaahh...false moral outrage!!!
You lose.

 

[JRK]

I looked up the infamous GWB admitting in 2004 there was no large stock piles of WMDs found at that time
Wonder why he did not mention the 550 metric tons of yellow cake at this time?
Wonder why he did not also mention that the DOD was going to present to congress there findings 2 years later?

 

[JakeStarkey]

I looked up the infamous GWB admitting in 2004 there was no large stock piles of WMDs found at that time
Wonder why he did not mention the 550 metric tons of yellow cake at this time?
Wonder why he did not also mention that the DOD was going to present to congress there findings 2 years later?

Your fauxlogic is silly, your fauxrage is immoral.

 

[Uncensored2008]

JRK continues to post debunked material, the actions of a progressive right-wing neo-con imperialist.

Is there a cockroach in here?

Oh, it's just little fascist Jakestrarkey...

Anyone got bug spray?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Uncensored continues to sound silly.

Do you have anything new or useful other than your neo-con right wing progressive imperlialistic cheneyite talking points?

Didn't think so.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Uncensored continues to sound silly.

Jakestarkey continues to be

irrelevant.

Do you have anything new or useful other than your neo-con right wing progressive imperlialistic cheneyite talking points?

Didn't think so.

Man, I sure hope you really are a Republican, posting to mock fucknut leftists with single digit IQ's.


I mean because otherwise, you would just be pathetic....