Why would anyone think defund the police was a good idea?

[busybee01]

Socialists attempting to destabilize our country believe its an awsome idea.

Jim Jordan apparently wants to destabilize our country.

 

[busybee01]

The Democrats were all for defunding the police until the public became outraged at the idea. It's the only reason they backed off. They assumed these rare incidents created a hatred for police and that's why they floated the idea.

It's just like gas stoves. They threw it out there and the public became upset at the thought. Then they wanted to claim they had no intention of outlawing natural gas stoves. If not for that, I'm sure the Democrats would have taken serious steps in that direction and some have. In Commifornia and New York, you cannot build a new home with natural gas stove hookups. They are trying to sneak their idea under the radar.

No democrat leader supported defunding the police. The only people who did were backbenchers. When Biden said that he wanted to use federal money to encourage community policing, the Republicans falsely claimed that Biden wanted to defund the police. Never mind the fact that Jack Webb supported community policing and the police reaching out to the minority community on his program Dragnet. Webb was a strong supporter of the police. Diversion programs for non-violent offenders were supported by Republicans as well as Democrats. The fact is that crime is up the most in red states. Apparently Republicans' lock em up doesn't work so well. It creates more crime.

The federal government is looking into regulating gas stoves because they could endanger children with health issues. That does not bother you in the least. If children get sick from gas stoves, that is okay with you. You are a right wing Nazi who doesn't give a damn about anyone but yourself and playing politics with the health of our children.

 

[busybee01]

I have just the opposite view. The Democrat party went from Democrats to liberals, from liberals to progressives, from progressives to Socialist/Democrats, whatever the hell that is. As THEY keep drifting closer and closer to Communism there will rightfully be a divide between them and real Americans. That is why I've been advocating to divide this country into two countries instead. It's the only possible way to save at least half this nation.

You Republicans are Nazis who attack this country. You attack free speech, voting rights, free speech rights and women's rights among others. I have a better idea. You Nazis get out of this country.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

I have just the opposite view. The Democrat party went from Democrats to liberals, from liberals to progressives, from progressives to Socialist/Democrats, whatever the hell that is. As THEY keep drifting closer and closer to Communism there will rightfully be a divide between them and real Americans. That is why I've been advocating to divide this country into two countries instead. It's the only possible way to save at least half this nation.

You are completely confused and don’t understand how to describe countries, parties or economic systems. “Political reality” also cannot be defined as “whatever the hell” or “however the hell” you want!

Because Trump turned the Republican Party into the “Trump cult” of aggrieved white populism and populist demagoguery, the sad-sack Democrats are now virtually the only remaining party of “liberal democratic” finance capitalism.

This increasingly dysfunctional system of “finance capitalism” is based on Wall Street & our stock market casino. It dominates the West and much of Asia. It is much broader and more permanent than any party or cult that may be elected from time to time. It is determined to maintain its world hegemony against challenge from China — which is run by a genuine Communist Party dictatorship. Our ever more unequal oligarchic capitalist system — and the Democrats who presently administer it on the federal level — are sworn enemies of Putin’s ex-communist gangster-state and of the Chinese Communist state, both of which are seen as obstacles, enemies and dangerous competitors to our system of “democratic” capitalism.

One needn’t like the present mess of U.S. politics, or love either of its two corrupt major parties, to understand that your childish Impressionism and advocacy of dividing

… this country into two countries instead. It's the only possible way to save at least half this nation …

… Is a nutty and entirely destructive proposal for Civil War. Do you understand what you are really talking about here?

It is precisely Trump’s megalomaniacal encouragement of such thinking that was the ultimate reason both our ruling elites and most average “real Americans” now see Trump as a dangerous threat to our nation as a whole. His divisive demagogery and “Big Lies” — seen in this context — are utterly treasonous.

Long live our democratic Republic! Fight the corrupt oligarchy that ignores the needs of working people! Tax the billionaires no matter what “party” they belong to! “Drain the swamp” and expose all the grifting demagogues who poison our nation.

 

[Flopper]

I have just the opposite view. The Democrat party went from Democrats to liberals, from liberals to progressives, from progressives to Socialist/Democrats, whatever the hell that is. As THEY keep drifting closer and closer to Communism there will rightfully be a divide between them and real Americans. That is why I've been advocating to divide this country into two countries instead. It's the only possible way to save at least half this nation.

As I said, The strength of the United States lies in the fact that we are united. How long do you think this nation divided would last against Russia and China? How important do you you think a balance budget, or universal healthcare will be when North America is mostly a pile of nuclear waste.

If the far right and far left decide to hang it and go their on ways so much the better, but for me I will stick with the Untied States which is where I was born and where I will die.

 

[Flopper]

No democrat leader supported defunding the police. The only people who did were backbenchers. When Biden said that he wanted to use federal money to encourage community policing, the Republicans falsely claimed that Biden wanted to defund the police. Never mind the fact that Jack Webb supported community policing and the police reaching out to the minority community on his program Dragnet. Webb was a strong supporter of the police. Diversion programs for non-violent offenders were supported by Republicans as well as Democrats. The fact is that crime is up the most in red states. Apparently Republicans' lock em up doesn't work so well. It creates more crime.

The federal government is looking into regulating gas stoves because they could endanger children with health issues. That does not bother you in the least. If children get sick from gas stoves, that is okay with you. You are a right wing Nazi who doesn't give a damn about anyone but yourself and playing politics with the health of our children.

When I was younger I use to ride with officers when I served in the auxiliary. I never met a police officer that didn't believe communities needed more social services. They are the ones who have deal with the results of chronic unemployment, mental illness, abuse, alcohol and drug addiction, abandonment, and homelessness. Often all they could do is just walk away or arrest people who were actually victims themselves.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

As I said, The strength of the United States lies in the fact that we are united. How long do you think this nation divided would last against Russia and China? How important do you you think a balance budget, or universal healthcare will be when North America is mostly a pile of nuclear waste.

If the far right and far left decide to hang it and go their on ways so much the better, but for me I will stick with the Untied States which is where I was born and where I will die.

I don't think you understand. I said two different countries no different than the US and Mexico or US and Canada. We can unite in the event of a threat but outside of that, each go our separate ways.

With this attack on our number run front runner, we only have three possible outcomes:

* We capitulate and let you have the country.
* We divide this country in half which is what I am for.
* We end up killing each other in a civil war.

We are not united in any way or form. The Communist party made sure of that. As we see in this Trump case they won't stop either. The fake impeachments weren't enough, the fake Russian collusion wasn't enough, the phony 1/6 clown show wasn't enough. And once this gets thrown out of court, another attack on us will pursue. It's time to split apart or kill each other. There are no other logical choices.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You Republicans are Nazis who attack this country. You attack free speech, voting rights, free speech rights and women's rights among others. I have a better idea. You Nazis get out of this country.

Why should we leave? There are already countries set up for your desires: North Korea, China, Cuba just to name a few. You want government run everything, go to a country that already has it. Everything you just accused of us your generic rant is what your party does.

You Nazis used the FBI to silence the Hunter story which by statistics, would have given us a second term of Trump. You Nazis protest and even threaten lives of right leaning speakers at colleges. President Trump exercised his free speech rights and you Commies impeached him for it. And you can't name me one time we on the right attacked voting rights. Asking for an ID to vote is not an attack. And talk about women's rights, who are the Nazis that are forcing schools to allow weirdos in dresses to compete against our real girls in athletic events? They are even putting these weirdos in female prisons. Talk about an attack on American women.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No democrat leader supported defunding the police. The only people who did were backbenchers. When Biden said that he wanted to use federal money to encourage community policing, the Republicans falsely claimed that Biden wanted to defund the police. Never mind the fact that Jack Webb supported community policing and the police reaching out to the minority community on his program Dragnet. Webb was a strong supporter of the police. Diversion programs for non-violent offenders were supported by Republicans as well as Democrats. The fact is that crime is up the most in red states. Apparently Republicans' lock em up doesn't work so well. It creates more crime.

The federal government is looking into regulating gas stoves because they could endanger children with health issues. That does not bother you in the least. If children get sick from gas stoves, that is okay with you. You are a right wing Nazi who doesn't give a damn about anyone but yourself and playing politics with the health of our children.

Fucken Nazi. It's up to the American people whether they want gas stoves or not, not the government. We've been cooking on them for several generations. I know you commies want to raise our children, but we will fight you all the way on that one. These children are not yours, they are ours.

These US cities defunded police: 'We're transferring money to the community'

More than 20 major cities have reduced police budgets in some form, and activists are fighting to ensure that is only the start

www.theguardian.com

 

[Flopper]

I don't think you understand. I said two different countries no different than the US and Mexico or US and Canada. We can unite in the event of a threat but outside of that, each go our separate ways.

With this attack on our number run front runner, we only have three possible outcomes:

* We capitulate and let you have the country.
* We divide this country in half which is what I am for.
* We end up killing each other in a civil war.

We are not united in any way or form. The Communist party made sure of that. As we see in this Trump case they won't stop either. The fake impeachments weren't enough, the fake Russian collusion wasn't enough, the phony 1/6 clown show wasn't enough. And once this gets thrown out of court, another attack on us will pursue. It's time to split apart or kill each other. There are no other logical choices.

How would you divide the country?

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

How would you divide the country?

Good question! To really “go our separate ways” we would have to divide every state into blue and red regions … peacefully of course. Or else Conservatives could try to force Liberals out of “red” states and vice versa. These MAGAnuts are dreamers, I’ll give them that much!

But when they come for me in Florida, this old geezer ain’t budging! I’ve got my guns and I’m pretty sure my whole senior co-op board will join me in fighting to keep our little piece of paradise. Only thing that will ever remove me is death, or maybe the ocean level rising three or four feet!

 

[Flopper]

Good question! To really “go our separate ways” we would have to divide every state into blue and red regions … peacefully of course. Or else Conservatives could try to force Liberals out of “red” states and vice versa. These MAGAnuts are dreamers, I’ll give them that much!

But when they come for me in Florida, this old geezer ain’t budging! I’ve got my guns and I’m pretty sure my whole senior co-op board will join me in fighting to keep our little piece of paradise. Only thing that will ever remove me is death, or maybe the ocean level rising three or four feet!

When people today talk about succeeding from the union like the southern confederacy, they ignore the fact that states today are politically integrated. For example in Florida, Democrats are 35.6% of the population. Republicans are 35.9% and independent or other is 28.5%. So either about half population would move to another state, which would be unlikely or remain in Florida and oppose the new one party system.

It would be impossible to spit the country without creating a much greater problem than we have today.

 

[Hector12]

To me it staggers the mind that ANYONE thought "defunding" the police was a good idea that had any chance of improving the behavior of local police forces in this country.

Why would anyone think this?

Defunding the police was a punitive way of punishing the police for doing their jobs. Sensible Democrat politicians have backed away from this ridiculous policy, but the damage has been done to the Democratic Party.

Crime is the worst issue for the Democrats, and the voters know it. Your typical liberal has never been a victim of a serious crime. His problem is that he does not share the hatred for criminals crime victims have.

Liberals continue to believe, without any evidence, that criminals are victims of social and economic injustice. They think criminals are decent guys who never had a decent chance, but if they are treated decently they will become good citizens.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

How would you divide the country?

A line right down the middle from north to south say from the Dakota's to Texas. We have a national vote on who gets what side. Afterwards people pack up and move to their perspective states. For those not wanting to move, they can still live there, but lose their right to vote as both new countries create their own Constitution.

It would be my hope that the Democrats get the west side of the country right next to their precious border where they can open it up and let as many illegals in as they want. If all the Democrats had to move out of my state, my property value would double or more overnight. Then we build a huge Trump wall to keep you from sneaking into our country.

 

[Flopper]

A line right down the middle from north to south say from the Dakota's to Texas. We have a national vote on who gets what side. Afterwards people pack up and move to their perspective states. For those not wanting to move, they can still live there, but lose their right to vote as both new countries create their own Constitution.

It would be my hope that the Democrats get the west side of the country right next to their precious border where they can open it up and let as many illegals in as they want. If all the Democrats had to move out of my state, my property value would double or more overnight. Then we build a huge Trump wall to keep you from sneaking into our country.

Do you realize that you're advocating a one party state? I don't think democrats would even consider that and probably not republicans. Even thou we strongly oppose the opposition, America should never become a one party state because democracy can not survive in that environment.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

To me it staggers the mind that ANYONE thought "defunding" the police was a good idea that had any chance of improving the behavior of local police forces in this country.

Why would anyone think this?

Well I know of no credible person in a position of power that advocated defunding LE. Do you?

I do know some who want to redirect resources and monies, but defund?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well I know of no credible person in a position of power that advocated defunding LE. Do you?

I do know some who want to redirect resources and monies, but defund?

WTF do you think defund means? It means taking from the police budget and allocating that money to other sources. Of course it's defunding.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Do you realize that you're advocating a one party state? I don't think democrats would even consider that and probably not republicans. Even thou we strongly oppose the opposition, American should never become a one party state because democracy can not survive in that environment.

It wouldn't be one party.

In the Republican country it would be establishment vs constitutionalists. On the Democrat side it would be Socialists vs Communists. But the bottom line is that in our country, no Socialists, Communists, Liberals or Democrats would be allowed any power or vote.

I'm not sure if you're baiting me or you simply don't understand my proposal. I'm talking about two completely different countries here like the US and Mexico. At least on the right, nothing would make us happier than to never put up with liberal bullshit (like what's going on now) ever again. Let's just be rid of each other and everybody's happy.

 

[Flopper]

Well I know of no credible person in a position of power that advocated defunding LE. Do you?

I do know some who want to redirect resources and monies, but defund?

The defunding idea really started in neighborhoods that were crime ridden and very dangerous. The non-criminal element saw the police as being ineffective and the criminals just wanted the police gone. The idea caught on with social activist groups such as BLM. Police killing of Blacks which was well publicized by the media provided the spark that set the country on fire against the police. However when the idea of defunding got to pollical leaders there was very little support. So as the outrage over the police shootings subsided so did the idea of defunding.

Among politicians, defunding turned into redirecting some police dept. funds into social services, i.e. community service personnel such as mental health counselors, social workers, etc that would work directly with the police. However current shortages of police officers in major cities and tight budgets ended this idea rather quickly.

The Defunding movement, put pressure on city councils to cut budget, and fire "bad officers" thus it put pressure on police depts. This resulted in firing a few officers, and a number of early retirements. Now the defunding movement is well behind us, the damage to police moral in major cities and increased difficulty in recruiting new officers remains.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

The defunding idea really started in neighborhoods that were crime ridden and very dangerous. The non-criminal element saw the police as being ineffective and the criminals just wanted the police gone. The idea caught on with social activist groups such as BLM. Police killing of Blacks which was well publicized by the media provided the spark that set the country on fire against the police. However when the idea of defunding got to pollical leaders there was very little support. So as the outrage over the police shootings subsided so did the idea of defunding.

Among politicians, defunding turned into redirecting some police dept. funds into social services, i.e. community service personnel such as mental health counselors, social workers, etc that would work directly with the police. However current shortages of police officers in major cities and tight budgets ended this idea rather quickly.

The Defunding movement, put pressure on city councils to cut budget, and fire "bad officers" thus it put pressure on police depts. This resulted in firing a few officers, and a number of early retirements. Now the defunding movement is well behind us, the damage to police moral in major cities and increased difficulty in recruiting new officers remains.

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