Why Would Bigots Attack a Jewish-Arab School in Israel That Teaches...

[Ropey]

so you have no statistical proof of your bogus claim

Ps I see you are still dodging the fossil question.

It is in the last link if you want to look for it, this details the reports by Ofsted of all the schools in the UK. Look carefully as the faith schools and see how many islamic ones are failing to carry out even the simplest of improvements

bollocks there is nothing in any of the links that proves your stupid and irresponsible statement.

Ps why are you dodging the fossil question.

May I repeat any religious school be it Jewish or Muslim that attempts to radicalize its pupil should be closed would you agree?

Listen Goebbels your propaganda is wasted on me what hatred have I spat at Jews, I reserve that for Hebrew Nazis like you.

I agree that you're not giving much out but diatribe.

 

[Phoenall]

so you have no statistical proof of your bogus claim

Ps I see you are still dodging the fossil question.

It is in the last link if you want to look for it, this details the reports by Ofsted of all the schools in the UK. Look carefully as the faith schools and see how many islamic ones are failing to carry out even the simplest of improvements

bollocks there is nothing in any of the links that proves your stupid and irresponsible statement.

Ps why are you dodging the fossil question.

May I repeat any religious school be it Jewish or Muslim that attempts to radicalize its pupil should be closed would you agree?

Of course I agree and as I said the one that has every Ofsted report in a database tells you just how many faith based schools are failing, and the majority are muslim

 

[MHunterB]

Does it really matter who did it?
A groups of fucking nutters, opposed to peace and harmony did it.
The OP may well have been aimed at Jews but it is less than important, just knowing there are efforts by good people to bring the populations together in peace is what really matters.

I firmly believe, most Jews and most Muslims don't hate each other, but the extremists on both sides foster hate to forward their stupidity, and that spills over to those effected by the violence.

Jew and Muslims aren't the enemy, fucking idiot extremists are.

Bingo!

And that includes the OP, whose first words on the topic were to call the entire nation of Israel 'fucked up' because a very small group of extremists were nasty and rude.....but despite his fine words above, did anyone see Fred take Billobullshit to task for using extremist rhetoric???

 

[amity1844]

If they want to mention the Ramadan with Rosh HaShana, let them, I see it as a very positive thing. They want to learn about each other's religion and history, let them.

But their Nakba is the Jewish surviving.

Please rethink that.
There is a way for BOTH to survive and thrive together.

So returning to the op's comment that this shows how eff'd up a nation is, let me ask you this.
Will someone who distributes this sort of thing or posts it on a school be prosecuted in Israel?
Think how you would feel if the story was a private school with 50% Jewish students in, say, upstate New York, and some jerk posted stickers saying "Don't you dare touch a Christian woman...."
....and then supplied a phone number to facilitate prosecution? Its crazy. Hopefully one of us will keep an eye on this as it develops and see if the folks who distributed this are prosecuted, and if so, criminally or civilly?

 

[Lipush]

Bollocks, the Haredi are what my family in Israel and in the UK call the crazies. "Lehava" are pure racists as they believe they come from kings so they are superior to everyone else. The real reasons these Haredi nutters do not want any inter marriage is because their sects gene pool is so limited they cannot afford to loose one breeding machine. Remember there are a lot of Jews in the world who want a peaceful co-existence with our Arab brothers and sisters.But also remember if the state of Israel is threatened with war, we rise as one.Kind un kait.
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Lehava and Yad La'achim are mostly National religious Zionists, and cannot be considered nowdays as "Haredi".

What you say is bullshit, they saved countless of abused women in Arab villages, you obviously don't know much about it, but it's funny because you allow yourself spit so much hatred towards other Jews who are supposed to be your brothers, not the Arabs.

The Arabs are unfriendly cousins, at most. Brothers and sisters? Ha, what a crackup.

And to conclude it all, you bring Ha'aretz reports and articles.

Figures. Typical.

Listen Goebbels your propaganda is wasted on me what hatred have I spat at Jews, I reserve that for Hebrew Nazis like you.

ps why do you not respond to my fossil question nudnik.

What was the question anyway? I lost in all the pathetic posts of yours.

 

[amity1844]

Here's the question Lipush:

So returning to the op's comment that this shows how eff'd up a nation is, let me ask you this.
Will someone who distributes this sort of thing or posts it on a school be prosecuted in Israel?
Think how you would feel if the story was a private school with 50% Jewish students in, say, upstate New York, and some jerk posted stickers saying "Don't you dare touch a Christian woman...."
....and then supplied a phone number to facilitate prosecution? Its crazy. Hopefully one of us will keep an eye on this as it develops and see if the folks who distributed this are prosecuted, and if so, criminally or civilly?

 

[Lipush]

Here's the question Lipush:

So returning to the op's comment that this shows how eff'd up a nation is, let me ask you this.
Will someone who distributes this sort of thing or posts it on a school be prosecuted in Israel?
Think how you would feel if the story was a private school with 50% Jewish students in, say, upstate New York, and some jerk posted stickers saying "Don't you dare touch a Christian woman...."
....and then supplied a phone number to facilitate prosecution? Its crazy. Hopefully one of us will keep an eye on this as it develops and see if the folks who distributed this are prosecuted, and if so, criminally or civilly?

For someone to be prosecuted in Israel, there needs to be a crime in the first place.

While I can agree that it's disrespectful towards the student (blown out of proportion, yes, and still, disrespectful), if you wish to charge someone with something, you need to check if a certain behavior is punishable.

Racism may be disturbing and disgusting, but is it punishable at all times? That's for the police to check, and if they find that it's indeed the case, then yes, they should be.

However, I am not certain that it's the case. Technically, glueing stickers is not really a crime in Israel, not one that I'm aware of, anyway.

But I could be wrong.

If it was in new york it would have been antisemitic, but should be dealt with according to the American law. I'm no especialist in American law.

Again, if it is indeed a crime of something punishable, of course each individual should be punished. That's my opinion.

However, the case should be checked.

 

[amity1844]

So hate speech isn't a crime? It isn't even a tort in Israel?

Then in my view the whole nation is eff'd up, yes.

OP is vindicated.

 

[irosie91]

Here's the question Lipush:

So returning to the op's comment that this shows how eff'd up a nation is, let me ask you this.
Will someone who distributes this sort of thing or posts it on a school be prosecuted in Israel?
Think how you would feel if the story was a private school with 50% Jewish students in, say, upstate New York, and some jerk posted stickers saying "Don't you dare touch a Christian woman...."
....and then supplied a phone number to facilitate prosecution? Its crazy. Hopefully one of us will keep an eye on this as it develops and see if the folks who distributed this are prosecuted, and if so, criminally or civilly?

facilitate "prosecution"??? what sort of "prosecution"? you must be thinking
of shariah law-----in Islamic law if a non muslim male marries a muslim woman---
he is subject to the death penalty-----in fact such a case was prosecuted in Iran
a few years ago. I doubt that anyone would be prosecuted in Israel for
distributing information about some organization that discourages jewish women
from dating muslim men (that is the issue here) ------pasting them all over a school
wall seems like something like vandalism to me-----like graffiti----other than that---it is
more like an "opinion"---similar to pasting religious propaganda around town or even
onto school walls. What sort of prosecution would you suggest for this opinion
stickies pasted on a school wall operation? ---it seems something like nasty graffiti to me---
about equivalent to someone drawing a swatstika on a wall in the USA------they are all over
my city-----I never heard of anyone being prosecuted for it------I have one on my little
house-----I have no idea how the artist managed to get up there-----you would have to
see it to understand why I say that---the house abuts a ---factory kind of thing---
the artist would have had to climb onto the roof of the factory

 

[amity1844]

What does this have to do with Israel/Palestine?
In Israel any citizen who marries a Palestinian has to leave the country. I understand that virtually every "mixed marriage" has been forced to move to the Arab countries.

I doubt that anyone would be prosecuted in Israel for
distributing information about some organization that discourages jewish women
from dating muslim men (that is the issue here) ------pasting them all over a school
wall seems like something like vandalism to me-----like graffiti----other than that---it is
more like an "opinion"---similar to pasting religious propaganda around town or even
onto school walls.

Now, vandalism is the defacing of property,

1.destructive action: the malicious and deliberate defacement or destruction of somebody else's property

Can you explain why you see hate speech -
Hate speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
as vandalism?

You really don't have any problem with that "don't touch a Jewess" stuff, huh?

The example I gave, school in upstate New York, half-Jewish, half not, and someone smacks up stickers and posters saying "don't even think of looking at a Christian woman" and that strikes you as vandalism?!?!?

 

[Sally]

What does this have to do with Israel/Palestine?
In Israel any citizen who marries a Palestinian has to leave the country. I understand that virtually every "mixed marriage" has been forced to move to the Arab countries.

I doubt that anyone would be prosecuted in Israel for
distributing information about some organization that discourages jewish women
from dating muslim men (that is the issue here) ------pasting them all over a school
wall seems like something like vandalism to me-----like graffiti----other than that---it is
more like an "opinion"---similar to pasting religious propaganda around town or even
onto school walls.

Now, vandalism is the defacing of property,

1.destructive action: the malicious and deliberate defacement or destruction of somebody else's property

Can you explain why you see hate speech -
Hate speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
as vandalism?

You really don't have any problem with that "don't touch a Jewess" stuff, huh?

The example I gave, school in upstate New York, half-Jewish, half not, and someone smacks up stickers and posters saying "don't even think of looking at a Christian woman" and that strikes you as vandalism?!?!?

I'm curious. There are Jewish girls who were sweet talked by Arab men into marrying them (It's called Love Jihad and also happens to Hindu and Christian girls). I wonder where they got married. Many of us are now aware that there is an organization that rescues these girls from some Arab village because their husbands have abused them and the girls want out. That is why we recently read about the son of one of these marriages having his Bar Mitzvah after the mother and kids got out of the village.

 

[irosie91]

What does this have to do with Israel/Palestine?
In Israel any citizen who marries a Palestinian has to leave the country. I understand that virtually every "mixed marriage" has been forced to move to the Arab countries.

I doubt that anyone would be prosecuted in Israel for
distributing information about some organization that discourages jewish women
from dating muslim men (that is the issue here) ------pasting them all over a school
wall seems like something like vandalism to me-----like graffiti----other than that---it is
more like an "opinion"---similar to pasting religious propaganda around town or even
onto school walls.

Now, vandalism is the defacing of property,

1.destructive action: the malicious and deliberate defacement or destruction of somebody else's property

Can you explain why you see hate speech -
Hate speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
as vandalism?

You really don't have any problem with that "don't touch a Jewess" stuff, huh?

The example I gave, school in upstate New York, half-Jewish, half not, and someone smacks up stickers and posters saying "don't even think of looking at a Christian woman" and that strikes you as vandalism?!?!?

" In Israel----any citizen who marries a "Palestinian" has to leave the country"----where did
you get that one Aenmity? not true

defacing a wall-----with stick-ups is vandalism ----just as graffiti is vandalism

if some people put up stickups on the wall of a school-----saying "jews! Don't touch Christian
women" no one would care.. there is nasty grafitti all over New York City---the
cops do not even bother with swatstikas smeared all over jewish cemetaries-----and actual vandalism.

why "UPSTATE NEW YORK"??? people care about upstate even less than
they do the city. I cannot even think of a school half jewish and half Christian UPSTATE---
I doubt such a school exists When I was a kid-----my high school was unique----1/3 catholic,
1/3 jewish, 1/3 protestant -----but it was not upstate NY


no one would care

 

[amity1844]

No, excuse me, that is a hate crime in the U.S.

Please follow the link and research "hate speech." It may become important later.

 

[Ropey]

If they want to mention the Ramadan with Rosh HaShana, let them, I see it as a very positive thing. They want to learn about each other's religion and history, let them.

But their Nakba is the Jewish surviving.

Please rethink that, Ropey.
There is a way for BOTH to survive and thrive together.

So returning to the op's comment that this shows how eff'd up a nation is, let me ask you this.
Will someone who distributes this sort of thing or posts it on a school be prosecuted in Israel?
Think how you would feel if the story was a private school with 50% Jewish students in, say, upstate New York, and some jerk posted stickers saying "Don't you dare touch a Christian woman...."
....and then supplied a phone number to facilitate prosecution? Its crazy. Hopefully one of us will keep an eye on this as it develops and see if the folks who distributed this are prosecuted, and if so, criminally or civilly?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/israe...ael-that-teaches-post9354064.html#post9354064

On purpose it seems because that's not where the quotes came from.

You're messing the quotes up.

I never said that.

 

[amity1844]

What does this have to do with Israel/Palestine?
In Israel any citizen who marries a Palestinian has to leave the country. I understand that virtually every "mixed marriage" has been forced to move to the Arab countries.

I doubt that anyone would be prosecuted in Israel for
distributing information about some organization that discourages jewish women
from dating muslim men (that is the issue here) ------pasting them all over a school
wall seems like something like vandalism to me-----like graffiti----other than that---it is
more like an "opinion"---similar to pasting religious propaganda around town or even
onto school walls.

Now, vandalism is the defacing of property,

1.destructive action: the malicious and deliberate defacement or destruction of somebody else's property

Can you explain why you see hate speech -
Hate speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
as vandalism?

You really don't have any problem with that "don't touch a Jewess" stuff, huh?

The example I gave, school in upstate New York, half-Jewish, half not, and someone smacks up stickers and posters saying "don't even think of looking at a Christian woman" and that strikes you as vandalism?!?!?

" In Israel----any citizen who marries a "Palestinian" has to leave the country"----where did
you get that one Aenmity? not true

http://www.usmessageboard.com/israe...-has-no-power-over-its-greatest-threat-2.html

Here is the relevant section:

The second disability the Israeli legal system places on Arab citizens is that of marriage inequality in Israel. There is no civil marriage in Israel. All marriages must be contracted under Jewish establishment, or they are not recognized under Israeli law. In 2003 a law was passed making it illegal for an Israeli to marry a Palestinian (or by extension in 2012, any other Arab). This almost exactly parallels the anti-miscegenation laws of the pre-civil rights United States, and of apartheid South Africa. He quotes Israeli supreme court justice Asher Grunis:

Quote:
"Human rights are not a prescription for national suicide. The right to a family life does not have to be realized within the borders of Israel."
and compares Grunis to David Millan of South Africa in 1953:

Quote:
"Equality must inevitably mean to the white man nothing less than national suicide."
The two state solution Abunimah characterizes as an effort to conceal racism and legitimize it. Many supporters have been comfortable about ending the occupation but cannot accept Palestinian rights, including especially the right of return. Peter Beinart is an allegedly liberal Zionist and supporter of the two state solution.

 

[Ropey]

If harmony is understanding both ways, then you certainly don't have any by deliberately demonstrating your mis-understanding of how much that day means to Palestinian's.

I have no problems with Arabs mentioning Nakba day; They are mourning their loss, which is understandable.

I have problems with those who say Jews should mourn as well. I am worried that in their insistent of "harmony" they'll let go of their identity.

If they want to mention the Ramadan with Rosh HaShana, let them, I see it as a very positive thing. They want to learn about each other's religion and history, let them.

But their Nakba is the Jewish surviving.

What next, Jews mourning being released from Aushwitz and saying "sorry Germans?"

^ So Amity, how does your link with the wrong quote go somewhere else and not to here?

 

[amity1844]

Here's the question Lipush:

So returning to the op's comment that this shows how eff'd up a nation is, let me ask you this.
Will someone who distributes this sort of thing or posts it on a school be prosecuted in Israel?
Think how you would feel if the story was a private school with 50% Jewish students in, say, upstate New York, and some jerk posted stickers saying "Don't you dare touch a Christian woman...."
....and then supplied a phone number to facilitate prosecution? Its crazy. Hopefully one of us will keep an eye on this as it develops and see if the folks who distributed this are prosecuted, and if so, criminally or civilly?

facilitate "prosecution"??? what sort of "prosecution"? you must be thinking
of shariah law-----in Islamic law if a non muslim male marries a muslim woman---
he is subject to the death penalty-----in fact such a case was prosecuted in Iran
a few years ago. I doubt that anyone would be prosecuted in Israel for
distributing information about some organization that discourages jewish women
from dating muslim men (that is the issue here) ------pasting them all over a school
wall seems like something like vandalism to me-----like graffiti----other than that---it is
more like an "opinion"---similar to pasting religious propaganda around town or even
onto school walls. What sort of prosecution would you suggest for this opinion
stickies pasted on a school wall operation? ---it seems something like nasty graffiti to me---
about equivalent to someone drawing a swatstika on a wall in the USA------they are all over
my city-----I never heard of anyone being prosecuted for it------I have one on my little
house-----I have no idea how the artist managed to get up there-----you would have to
see it to understand why I say that---the house abuts a ---factory kind of thing---
the artist would have had to climb onto the roof of the factory

irosie, I re-read this. You would be comfortable in the deep south of 1920. Incredible.

 

[amity1844]

If they want to mention the Ramadan with Rosh HaShana, let them, I see it as a very positive thing. They want to learn about each other's religion and history, let them.

But their Nakba is the Jewish surviving.

Please rethink that, Ropey.
There is a way for BOTH to survive and thrive together.

So returning to the op's comment that this shows how eff'd up a nation is, let me ask you this.
Will someone who distributes this sort of thing or posts it on a school be prosecuted in Israel?
Think how you would feel if the story was a private school with 50% Jewish students in, say, upstate New York, and some jerk posted stickers saying "Don't you dare touch a Christian woman...."
....and then supplied a phone number to facilitate prosecution? Its crazy. Hopefully one of us will keep an eye on this as it develops and see if the folks who distributed this are prosecuted, and if so, criminally or civilly?

http://www.usmessageboard.com/israe...ael-that-teaches-post9354064.html#post9354064

On purpose it seems because that's not where the quotes came from.

You're messing the quotes up.

I never said that.

Sorry, then. Please excuse.

I've got to go now. I'll visit with you folks again in a few days. Take care.

 

[Ropey]

If they want to mention the Ramadan with Rosh HaShana, let them, I see it as a very positive thing. They want to learn about each other's religion and history, let them.

But their Nakba is the Jewish surviving.

Please rethink that, Ropey.
There is a way for BOTH to survive and thrive together.

So returning to the op's comment that this shows how eff'd up a nation is, let me ask you this.
Will someone who distributes this sort of thing or posts it on a school be prosecuted in Israel?
Think how you would feel if the story was a private school with 50% Jewish students in, say, upstate New York, and some jerk posted stickers saying "Don't you dare touch a Christian woman...."
....and then supplied a phone number to facilitate prosecution? Its crazy. Hopefully one of us will keep an eye on this as it develops and see if the folks who distributed this are prosecuted, and if so, criminally or civilly?

It's still a misquote of me.

 

[amity1844]

I know, Ropey, sorry. i'll try to go back and fix it if still possible.