Will No One Challenge Obama's Executive Orders?

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Will No One Challenge Obama's Executive Orders? | Ron Paul | Safehaven.com

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President Obama's state of the union pledge to "act with or without Congress" marks a milestone in presidential usurpation of Congressional authority. Most modern presidents have used executive orders to change and even create laws without Congressional approval. However President Obama is unusually brazen, in that most Presidents do not brag about their plans to rule by executive order in state of the union speeches.

Sadly, his pledge to use his pen to implement laws and polices without the consent of Congress not only received thunderous applause from representatives of the president's party, some representatives have even pledged to help Obama get around Congress by providing him with ideas for executive orders.

The Constitution's authors would be horrified to see legislators actively adding and abetting a president taking power away from the legislature.

Executive orders are perfectly legitimate and even necessary if, in the words of leading Constitutional Scholar Judge Andrew Napolitano, they ".... guide the executive branch on how to enforce a law or...complement and supplement what Congress has already done."

The problem is that most modern presidents have abused this power to issue orders that, as Judge Napolitano puts it, "restates federal law, or contradicts federal law, or does the opposite of what the federal law is supposed to do."

Political opponents of the president rightly condemned Obama for disregarding the Constitution. However, it was not that long ago that many of the same politicians where labeling as "unpatriotic" or worse anyone who dared question President Bush's assertions the he had the "inherent" authority to launch wars, spy on Americans, and even indefinitely detain American citizens.

Partisan considerations also make some members of the opposition party hesitate to reign in the president. These members are reluctant to set a precedent of "tying the president's hands" that could be used against a future president of their own party.

The concentration of power in the office of the president is yet one more negative consequence of our interventionist foreign policy. A foreign policy based on interventionism requires a strong and energetic executive, unfettered by Constitutional niceties such as waiting for Congress to pass laws or declare war.

So it simply was natural, as America abandoned the traditional foreign policy of non-interventionism, for presidents to act "without waiting for Congress." After all, the president is "commander-in-chief" and he needs to protect "national security," they argued. Once it became accepted practice for the president to disregard Congress in foreign affairs, it was only a matter of time before presidents would begin usurping Congressional authority in domestic matters.

It should not be surprising that some of the biggest promoters of an "energetic" executive are the neoconservatives. They are also enthusiastic promoters of the warfare state. Sadly, they have misled many constitutionalists into believing that one can consistently support unchecked presidential authority in foreign policy, but limit presidential authority in domestic matters. Until it is fully understood that virtually limitless presidential authority in foreign affairs cannot coexist with strict limits on Presidential authority in domestic matters, we will never limit the power of the Presidency.

The people must also insist that politicians stop viewing issues concerning the separation of powers through a partisan lens and instead be willing to act against any president who exceeds his constitutional limitations. Thankfully we have scholars such as Louis Fisher, who has just published an important new book on presidential power, to help us better understand the Founders' intent with regard to separation of powers.

The key to achieving this goal is to make sure the people understand that any president of any party who would exceed constitutional limitations is a threat to liberty, and any member of Congress who ignores or facilitates presidential usurpation is being derelict in his Constitutional duty.
 
Quick question.............................do you realize that Obama has issued LESS (as in fewer) Executive Orders than any other President in recent times?

I mean..................Bush Jr. issued more, as well as did Reagan. Why don't people complain about how many orders they've executed?

Oh yeah.......................got it......................Executive Orders are considered to be dictatorial if they are enacted by a black man. If they're done by a white oil man who was a crappy pilot, or if they're issued by an actor who was a white man that was also senile, it's okay.

Sorry GOP, but Obama has done less in the Executive Order business than Jr. or Reagan ever did.

Were Reagan or Bush Jr. considered to be dictators because of what they did via Executive Order? Probably not, because they were white, face it, the main reason people are pissed is because there is a black man in the White House.
 
Quick question.............................do you realize that Obama has issued LESS (as in fewer) Executive Orders than any other President in recent times?

I mean..................Bush Jr. issued more, as well as did Reagan. Why don't people complain about how many orders they've executed?

Oh yeah.......................got it......................Executive Orders are considered to be dictatorial if they are enacted by a black man. If they're done by a white oil man who was a crappy pilot, or if they're issued by an actor who was a white man that was also senile, it's okay.

Sorry GOP, but Obama has done less in the Executive Order business than Jr. or Reagan ever did.

Were Reagan or Bush Jr. considered to be dictators because of what they did via Executive Order? Probably not, because they were white, face it, the main reason people are pissed is because there is a black man in the White House.

No chit....

And again, you do realize its not the amount of EO's he's signing, it's what EO's he's signing i.e,. changing laws. No other POTUS has been so brazing in circumventing the Constitution and Congress

-Geaux
 
Quick question.............................do you realize that Obama has issued LESS (as in fewer) Executive Orders than any other President in recent times?

I mean..................Bush Jr. issued more, as well as did Reagan. Why don't people complain about how many orders they've executed?

Oh yeah.......................got it......................Executive Orders are considered to be dictatorial if they are enacted by a black man. If they're done by a white oil man who was a crappy pilot, or if they're issued by an actor who was a white man that was also senile, it's okay.

Sorry GOP, but Obama has done less in the Executive Order business than Jr. or Reagan ever did.

Were Reagan or Bush Jr. considered to be dictators because of what they did via Executive Order? Probably not, because they were white, face it, the main reason people are pissed is because there is a black man in the White House.

No chit....

And again, you do realize its not the amount of EO's he's signing, it's what EO's he's signing i.e,. changing laws. No other POTUS has been so brazing in circumventing the Constitution and Congress

-Geaux

Really? Wanna talk about the way that Lincoln freed the slaves? Sorry, but that was done by an EO, and he not only circumvented the laws, but he also freed those of dark skin.

Like I said, (and unless you're brainless), Obama has done less than other Presidents before him. Reagan and Bush Jr. have signed more orders than what Obama did.

Does that make Reagan and Jr. less of a president than Obama?
 
Quick question.............................do you realize that Obama has issued LESS (as in fewer) Executive Orders than any other President in recent times?

I mean..................Bush Jr. issued more, as well as did Reagan. Why don't people complain about how many orders they've executed?

Oh yeah.......................got it......................Executive Orders are considered to be dictatorial if they are enacted by a black man. If they're done by a white oil man who was a crappy pilot, or if they're issued by an actor who was a white man that was also senile, it's okay.

Sorry GOP, but Obama has done less in the Executive Order business than Jr. or Reagan ever did.

Were Reagan or Bush Jr. considered to be dictators because of what they did via Executive Order? Probably not, because they were white, face it, the main reason people are pissed is because there is a black man in the White House.

Fewer signing statements as well.
 
Quick question.............................do you realize that Obama has issued LESS (as in fewer) Executive Orders than any other President in recent times?

I mean..................Bush Jr. issued more, as well as did Reagan. Why don't people complain about how many orders they've executed?

Oh yeah.......................got it......................Executive Orders are considered to be dictatorial if they are enacted by a black man. If they're done by a white oil man who was a crappy pilot, or if they're issued by an actor who was a white man that was also senile, it's okay.

Sorry GOP, but Obama has done less in the Executive Order business than Jr. or Reagan ever did.

Were Reagan or Bush Jr. considered to be dictators because of what they did via Executive Order? Probably not, because they were white, face it, the main reason people are pissed is because there is a black man in the White House.

No chit....

And again, you do realize its not the amount of EO's he's signing, it's what EO's he's signing i.e,. changing laws. No other POTUS has been so brazing in circumventing the Constitution and Congress

-Geaux

Really? Wanna talk about the way that Lincoln freed the slaves? Sorry, but that was done by an EO, and he not only circumvented the laws, but he also freed those of dark skin.

Like I said, (and unless you're brainless), Obama has done less than other Presidents before him. Reagan and Bush Jr. have signed more orders than what Obama did.

Does that make Reagan and Jr. less of a president than Obama?

And again, Obama has done more damage to the sanctity of the American political system with his EO's.. That's the point....

-Geaux
 
Quick question.............................do you realize that Obama has issued LESS (as in fewer) Executive Orders than any other President in recent times?

I mean..................Bush Jr. issued more, as well as did Reagan. Why don't people complain about how many orders they've executed?

Oh yeah.......................got it......................Executive Orders are considered to be dictatorial if they are enacted by a black man. If they're done by a white oil man who was a crappy pilot, or if they're issued by an actor who was a white man that was also senile, it's okay.

Sorry GOP, but Obama has done less in the Executive Order business than Jr. or Reagan ever did.

Were Reagan or Bush Jr. considered to be dictators because of what they did via Executive Order? Probably not, because they were white, face it, the main reason people are pissed is because there is a black man in the White House.

No chit....

And again, you do realize its not the amount of EO's he's signing, it's what EO's he's signing i.e,. changing laws. No other POTUS has been so brazing in circumventing the Constitution and Congress

-Geaux

it might be helpful, before putting your little fingers on the keyboard, to actually look at what executive orders have done historically.

and then when you get over the fact that president obama is president and doing nothing that his predecessors did, perhaps you'll stop ranting.
 
Quick question.............................do you realize that Obama has issued LESS (as in fewer) Executive Orders than any other President in recent times?

I mean..................Bush Jr. issued more, as well as did Reagan. Why don't people complain about how many orders they've executed?

Oh yeah.......................got it......................Executive Orders are considered to be dictatorial if they are enacted by a black man. If they're done by a white oil man who was a crappy pilot, or if they're issued by an actor who was a white man that was also senile, it's okay.

Sorry GOP, but Obama has done less in the Executive Order business than Jr. or Reagan ever did.

Were Reagan or Bush Jr. considered to be dictators because of what they did via Executive Order? Probably not, because they were white, face it, the main reason people are pissed is because there is a black man in the White House.

No chit....

And again, you do realize its not the amount of EO's he's signing, it's what EO's he's signing i.e,. changing laws. No other POTUS has been so brazing in circumventing the Constitution and Congress

-Geaux

it might be helpful, before putting your little fingers on the keyboard, to actually look at what executive orders have done historically.

and then when you get over the fact that president obama is president and doing nothing that his predecessors did, perhaps you'll stop ranting.

And again,, It's not he EO's he signs which are less than others, its the DAMAGE he does to our country and the intent of our political system when he bypasses congress and changes laws. That's congress job

-Geaux
 
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Wahhhhhhhhhh........................wah.................

That damned President is doing what the majority of people that voted elected him to do.
 
No chit....

And again, you do realize its not the amount of EO's he's signing, it's what EO's he's signing i.e,. changing laws. No other POTUS has been so brazing in circumventing the Constitution and Congress

-Geaux

it might be helpful, before putting your little fingers on the keyboard, to actually look at what executive orders have done historically.

and then when you get over the fact that president obama is president and doing nothing that his predecessors did, perhaps you'll stop ranting.

And again,, It not he EO's he signs which are less than others, its the DAMAGE he does to our country and the intent of our political system when he bypasses congress and changes laws. That's congress job

-Geaux

Interesting...................you DO realize that freeing the slaves (which brought about a lot of unrest as well as damage) was done by an EO freeing them?

It's amazing how much the GOP doesn't realize their own history.
 
it might be helpful, before putting your little fingers on the keyboard, to actually look at what executive orders have done historically.

and then when you get over the fact that president obama is president and doing nothing that his predecessors did, perhaps you'll stop ranting.

And again,, It not he EO's he signs which are less than others, its the DAMAGE he does to our country and the intent of our political system when he bypasses congress and changes laws. That's congress job

-Geaux

Interesting...................you DO realize that freeing the slaves (which brought about a lot of unrest as well as damage) was done by an EO freeing them?

It's amazing how much the GOP doesn't realize their own history.

So, Obama is singing EO's that impact slavery? Or in your opinion, something equally as deserving?

-Geaux
 
Quick question.............................do you realize that Obama has issued LESS (as in fewer) Executive Orders than any other President in recent times?

I mean..................Bush Jr. issued more, as well as did Reagan. Why don't people complain about how many orders they've executed?

Oh yeah.......................got it......................Executive Orders are considered to be dictatorial if they are enacted by a black man. If they're done by a white oil man who was a crappy pilot, or if they're issued by an actor who was a white man that was also senile, it's okay.

Sorry GOP, but Obama has done less in the Executive Order business than Jr. or Reagan ever did.

Were Reagan or Bush Jr. considered to be dictators because of what they did via Executive Order? Probably not, because they were white, face it, the main reason people are pissed is because there is a black man in the White House.

No chit....

And again, you do realize its not the amount of EO's he's signing, it's what EO's he's signing i.e,. changing laws. No other POTUS has been so brazing in circumventing the Constitution and Congress

-Geaux

That line has been accepted as a certified nutter talking point. Congrats.

What, in your opinion, is the most egregious of the president's EO's?

Which is the most BRAZEN?

I am hooked on phonics
 
No chit....

And again, you do realize its not the amount of EO's he's signing, it's what EO's he's signing i.e,. changing laws. No other POTUS has been so brazing in circumventing the Constitution and Congress

-Geaux

it might be helpful, before putting your little fingers on the keyboard, to actually look at what executive orders have done historically.

and then when you get over the fact that president obama is president and doing nothing that his predecessors did, perhaps you'll stop ranting.

And again,, It's not he EO's he signs which are less than others, its the DAMAGE he does to our country and the intent of our political system when he bypasses congress and changes laws. That's congress job

-Geaux

That makes three times you have said that in this thread. How about Some specifics. Which EO's have done damage? Which are unconstitutional?

Try just a little, will you?
 
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it might be helpful, before putting your little fingers on the keyboard, to actually look at what executive orders have done historically.

and then when you get over the fact that president obama is president and doing nothing that his predecessors did, perhaps you'll stop ranting.

And again,, It's not he EO's he signs which are less than others, its the DAMAGE he does to our country and the intent of our political system when he bypasses congress and changes laws. That's congress job

-Geaux

That makes three times you have said that in this thread. How about Some specifics. Which EO's have done damage? Which are unconstitutional?

Try just a little, will you?
Which are unconstitutional?

The jury is still out.... But I have no confidence SCOTUS has the non-biased reasoning required to make the right decision... So who knows, the lawless acts may be deemed lawfully constitutional.

-Geaux
 
And again,, It's not he EO's he signs which are less than others, its the DAMAGE he does to our country and the intent of our political system when he bypasses congress and changes laws. That's congress job

-Geaux

That makes three times you have said that in this thread. How about Some specifics. Which EO's have done damage? Which are unconstitutional?

Try just a little, will you?
Which are unconstitutional?

The jury is still out.... But I have no confidence SCOTUS has the non-biased reasoning required to make the right decision... So who knows, the lawless acts may be deemed lawfully constitutional.

-Geaux

You are not going to tell us which of the president's EO's are damaging the nation? Really? You got nothin'?

Great thread!
 
And again,, It's not he EO's he signs which are less than others, its the DAMAGE he does to our country and the intent of our political system when he bypasses congress and changes laws. That's congress job

-Geaux

That makes three times you have said that in this thread. How about Some specifics. Which EO's have done damage? Which are unconstitutional?

Try just a little, will you?
Which are unconstitutional?

The jury is still out.... But I have no confidence SCOTUS has the non-biased reasoning required to make the right decision... So who knows, the lawless acts may be deemed lawfully constitutional.

-Geaux

Dude, IF you ever wonder why reasonable people posting in here think you are a fucking JOKE, go back and read the above post. You are a joke dude. A joke.

You can't (or shouldn't) make definitive statements then go...the jury is still out. LMAO.
 
The world is simple to some people who don't think past their spite.

Before the President issues an E.O., he doesn't have teams and teams of Lawyers working to advise him of their Legality.

No, none of that going on in the highest office in the world.

Go back to sleep.
 
That makes three times you have said that in this thread. How about Some specifics. Which EO's have done damage? Which are unconstitutional?

Try just a little, will you?
Which are unconstitutional?

The jury is still out.... But I have no confidence SCOTUS has the non-biased reasoning required to make the right decision... So who knows, the lawless acts may be deemed lawfully constitutional.

-Geaux

Dude, IF you ever wonder why reasonable people posting in here think you are a fucking JOKE, go back and read the above post. You are a joke dude. A joke.

You can't (or shouldn't) make definitive statements then go...the jury is still out. LMAO.

How does my answer change whether in my opinion they are un-constitutional or not?

Remember 'Question authority'?

And wait, did you just put yourself into the pool of 'reasonable' posters here at USMB?

Do tell...... LMAO

-Geaux
 

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