Will we ever have single payer health care in this country?

[Lesh]

Two thinks scream out on this thread.

A. Republicans have NO plan in spite of their complaints (and lies). They don't want ACA. They don't want Medicare for all. WHat DO they want??

B.Look at the poll that began with the OP. It's running about 50/50...on a forum that is overwhelmingly right wing

 

[Thinker101]

The boy indeed does love seeing himself talk.

Anything above and beyond a twitterbyte to much discussion in america? No wonder the political system is in the shape it's in.

Lowrie, is US the fattest nation. Yes or No?

Great topic for another thread.

Bullshit. This is why our mortality rate is inferior not because of healthcare. Don’t deviate.

I will deviate from you all I like son.

Gee, you tell em...Dad!

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Bullshit. This is why our mortality rate is inferior not because of healthcare. Don’t deviate.

I will deviate from you all I like son.

Of course because you lost the debate and badly.

Nah hon, I just won't agree with you that our health"care" system's failures are the fault of fat folks. Shaming fellow citizens for societies' failures is an escape. Blaming the unsubstantial people relieves all, and society, from any responsibility for anything at all. Are you also going to attempt to tell me that what's wrong with the economic system is poor brown migrants from a part of our hemisphere where we're constantly destabilizing governments, staging/funding/participating in coups, propping up dictators and waging economic war on their citizens?

Shaming? LOL IDC if you’re fat but it comes with consequences. You want to live longer than be proactive and not reactive. You’re a sensitive loser.

Being american comes with consequences. And now you're attempting to change your point, which was, fat people are to blame for our shitty healthcare system. I simply don't buy it, that's all. No need to be so offended.

No because we are fat we don’t live as long. Learn to read.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Of course because you lost the debate and badly.

Nah hon, I just won't agree with you that our health"care" system's failures are the fault of fat folks. Shaming fellow citizens for societies' failures is an escape. Blame the unsubstantial people relieves all, and society, from any responsibility for anything at all. Are you also going to attempt to tell me that what's wrong with the economic system is poor brown migrants from a part of our hemisphere where we're constantly destabilizing governments, staging/funding/participating in coups, propping up dictators and waging economic war on their citizens?

Best post you've ever made.

Well thanks, but I'm sure I've chaffed some even further.

You’re an uneducated fool who consistently embarrasses himself here

Here comes a chafed poster now.

Nope. I am stating facts. You’re an uneducated fear monger.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Bullshit. This is why our mortality rate is inferior not because of healthcare. Don’t deviate.

That's pretty funny!

As far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong but I believe every countries mortality rate is 100%.

Please be bit more clear.

Please get your head out of your ass.

 

[Maxdeath]

we could solve simple poverty by solving for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment through unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States.

Socialism should nurture Capitalism within Standards, fixed by Government. Capitalism can "float" from within the ease and convenience of that form of nurture for nature.

All states have unemployment compensation.
Part of the problem with poverty it is tied to the want to work, the want to increase your standards.
You can only give a person so much. After that it is up to them. Unfortunately if you give too much there is only the incentive to collect and not to work.

You miss the point; capital is a requirement to participate in our markets. Simply paying some Labor to pursue Happiness instead of profit will lead to improved market efficiency.

Lol. Love the point that capital is a requirement, blah, blah, blah. Too bad it is bull attempting to sound like you know what you are talking about. The only problem with making up things is someone will eventually call it for what it is. But hey an a for effort, f for actual content.

Capital isn't a requirement to participate in our markets? How then do you invest in anything? How do you start a business? Or expand one? How do you innovate, or hire somebody? It may not be the 1st requirement, that might be an idea or a concept. But from that point on, you gotta have money; how are you gonna eat and where are you gonna sleep while you pursue your dream? How are you gonna obtain the materials, the location, the energy (electricity), somebody had to spend money to allow you to even start.

I take it you did not read what was written before and just jumped in when you saw a few words. Capital is a requirement. You are correct.

But if you start reading what was first posted he was somehow trying to suggest unemployment compensation was not offered and was somehow linked to universal healthcare. After I told him that unemployment compensation was already available but required some one to actually work before collecting it he post a whole bunch of word salad that was basically trying to state that someone should be allowed to work or not work and still get paid.

 

[Maxdeath]

we could solve simple poverty by solving for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment through unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States.

Socialism should nurture Capitalism within Standards, fixed by Government. Capitalism can "float" from within the ease and convenience of that form of nurture for nature.

All states have unemployment compensation.
Part of the problem with poverty it is tied to the want to work, the want to increase your standards.
You can only give a person so much. After that it is up to them. Unfortunately if you give too much there is only the incentive to collect and not to work.

You miss the point; capital is a requirement to participate in our markets. Simply paying some Labor to pursue Happiness instead of profit will lead to improved market efficiency.

Lol. Love the point that capital is a requirement, blah, blah, blah. Too bad it is bull attempting to sound like you know what you are talking about. The only problem with making up things is someone will eventually call it for what it is. But hey an a for effort, f for actual content.

nobody takes the right wing seriously about economics.

according to Democrats the right wing is the only ones that own farms and businesses because they always say that illegals are only hired by Republicans. So if we own all that no one should take the right serious? No one should take you and others like you serious on anything.

 

[task0778]

we could solve simple poverty by solving for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment through unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States.

Socialism should nurture Capitalism within Standards, fixed by Government. Capitalism can "float" from within the ease and convenience of that form of nurture for nature.

All states have unemployment compensation.
Part of the problem with poverty it is tied to the want to work, the want to increase your standards.
You can only give a person so much. After that it is up to them. Unfortunately if you give too much there is only the incentive to collect and not to work.

You miss the point; capital is a requirement to participate in our markets. Simply paying some Labor to pursue Happiness instead of profit will lead to improved market efficiency.

Lol. Love the point that capital is a requirement, blah, blah, blah. Too bad it is bull attempting to sound like you know what you are talking about. The only problem with making up things is someone will eventually call it for what it is. But hey an a for effort, f for actual content.

Capital isn't a requirement to participate in our markets? How then do you invest in anything? How do you start a business? Or expand one? How do you innovate, or hire somebody? It may not be the 1st requirement, that might be an idea or a concept. But from that point on, you gotta have money; how are you gonna eat and where are you gonna sleep while you pursue your dream? How are you gonna obtain the materials, the location, the energy (electricity), somebody had to spend money to allow you to even start.

I take it you did not read what was written before and just jumped in when you saw a few words. Capital is a requirement. You are correct.

But if you start reading what was first posted he was somehow trying to suggest unemployment compensation was not offered and was somehow linked to universal healthcare. After I told him that unemployment compensation was already available but required some one to actually work before collecting it he post a whole bunch of word salad that was basically trying to state that someone should be allowed to work or not work and still get paid.

My apologies.

 

[Maxdeath]

All states have unemployment compensation.
Part of the problem with poverty it is tied to the want to work, the want to increase your standards.
You can only give a person so much. After that it is up to them. Unfortunately if you give too much there is only the incentive to collect and not to work.

You miss the point; capital is a requirement to participate in our markets. Simply paying some Labor to pursue Happiness instead of profit will lead to improved market efficiency.

Lol. Love the point that capital is a requirement, blah, blah, blah. Too bad it is bull attempting to sound like you know what you are talking about. The only problem with making up things is someone will eventually call it for what it is. But hey an a for effort, f for actual content.

Capital isn't a requirement to participate in our markets? How then do you invest in anything? How do you start a business? Or expand one? How do you innovate, or hire somebody? It may not be the 1st requirement, that might be an idea or a concept. But from that point on, you gotta have money; how are you gonna eat and where are you gonna sleep while you pursue your dream? How are you gonna obtain the materials, the location, the energy (electricity), somebody had to spend money to allow you to even start.

I take it you did not read what was written before and just jumped in when you saw a few words. Capital is a requirement. You are correct.

But if you start reading what was first posted he was somehow trying to suggest unemployment compensation was not offered and was somehow linked to universal healthcare. After I told him that unemployment compensation was already available but required some one to actually work before collecting it he post a whole bunch of word salad that was basically trying to state that someone should be allowed to work or not work and still get paid.

My apologies.

No problem. Nice to see someone not calling names.

 

[AsherN]

I think the very next time the dems the presidency and both chambers of Congress we’re headed for single payer healthcare.

and in the UK, Canada, Scandinavia, etc, IT AINT FREE. It is paid for with huge tax increases on EVERYONE. AND some bureaucrat in the capital is making healthcare decisions for each person, not that person and his/her doctor. Like government run medicine? Try the VA.

Bullshit. In Canada, the medical decision is between a doctor and the patient.

 

[Mac1958]

If you don't know the difference between our current Medicare system and Single Payer, go and educate yourself.

SInce we're having a discussion...how about YOU tell us how you think they differ

To make a very long story short, our Medicare system includes a significant free market component in the form of Medicare Supplements, Medicare Advantage Plans and Prescription Drug Plans, and true Single Payer does not.
.

... and every one of those plans is paid for by whom?

Medicare Supplements are paid for by the owner of the policy.

Medicare and Medicare Advantage plans are paid for by taxpayers.

It's amazing how many people have absolutely no idea how our Medicare system works, but pretend that they do.
.

 

[danielpalos]

we could solve simple poverty by solving for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment through unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States.

Socialism should nurture Capitalism within Standards, fixed by Government. Capitalism can "float" from within the ease and convenience of that form of nurture for nature.

All states have unemployment compensation.
Part of the problem with poverty it is tied to the want to work, the want to increase your standards.
You can only give a person so much. After that it is up to them. Unfortunately if you give too much there is only the incentive to collect and not to work.

You miss the point; capital is a requirement to participate in our markets. Simply paying some Labor to pursue Happiness instead of profit will lead to improved market efficiency.

Lol. Love the point that capital is a requirement, blah, blah, blah. Too bad it is bull attempting to sound like you know what you are talking about. The only problem with making up things is someone will eventually call it for what it is. But hey an a for effort, f for actual content.

Capital isn't a requirement to participate in our markets? How then do you invest in anything? How do you start a business? Or expand one? How do you innovate, or hire somebody? It may not be the 1st requirement, that might be an idea or a concept. But from that point on, you gotta have money; how are you gonna eat and where are you gonna sleep while you pursue your dream? How are you gonna obtain the materials, the location, the energy (electricity), somebody had to spend money to allow you to even start.

I take it you did not read what was written before and just jumped in when you saw a few words. Capital is a requirement. You are correct.

But if you start reading what was first posted he was somehow trying to suggest unemployment compensation was not offered and was somehow linked to universal healthcare. After I told him that unemployment compensation was already available but required some one to actually work before collecting it he post a whole bunch of word salad that was basically trying to state that someone should be allowed to work or not work and still get paid.

the right wing is clueless and Causeless and don't care about being illegal to the law, as long as there are less fortunate illegals to "take it out on".

employment is at-will not for right wing, fake morality.

 

[danielpalos]

we could solve simple poverty by solving for capitalism's natural rate of unemployment through unemployment compensation in our at-will employment States.

Socialism should nurture Capitalism within Standards, fixed by Government. Capitalism can "float" from within the ease and convenience of that form of nurture for nature.

All states have unemployment compensation.
Part of the problem with poverty it is tied to the want to work, the want to increase your standards.
You can only give a person so much. After that it is up to them. Unfortunately if you give too much there is only the incentive to collect and not to work.

You miss the point; capital is a requirement to participate in our markets. Simply paying some Labor to pursue Happiness instead of profit will lead to improved market efficiency.

Lol. Love the point that capital is a requirement, blah, blah, blah. Too bad it is bull attempting to sound like you know what you are talking about. The only problem with making up things is someone will eventually call it for what it is. But hey an a for effort, f for actual content.

nobody takes the right wing seriously about economics.

according to Democrats the right wing is the only ones that own farms and businesses because they always say that illegals are only hired by Republicans. So if we own all that no one should take the right serious? No one should take you and others like you serious on anything.

stories is all the right wing has.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If you don't know the difference between our current Medicare system and Single Payer, go and educate yourself.

SInce we're having a discussion...how about YOU tell us how you think they differ

To make a very long story short, our Medicare system includes a significant free market component in the form of Medicare Supplements, Medicare Advantage Plans and Prescription Drug Plans, and true Single Payer does not.
.

... and every one of those plans is paid for by whom?

Medicare Supplements are paid for by the owner of the policy.

Medicare and Medicare Advantage plans are paid for by taxpayers.

It's amazing how many people have absolutely no idea how our Medicare system works, but pretend that they do.
.

Exactly. You were glossing over that information.

 

[Mac1958]

If you don't know the difference between our current Medicare system and Single Payer, go and educate yourself.

SInce we're having a discussion...how about YOU tell us how you think they differ

To make a very long story short, our Medicare system includes a significant free market component in the form of Medicare Supplements, Medicare Advantage Plans and Prescription Drug Plans, and true Single Payer does not.
.

... and every one of those plans is paid for by whom?

Medicare Supplements are paid for by the owner of the policy.

Medicare and Medicare Advantage plans are paid for by taxpayers.

It's amazing how many people have absolutely no idea how our Medicare system works, but pretend that they do.
.

Exactly. You were glossing over that information.

Nope, no need to.

I know how the system works, and my top priority is efficacy, not partisan politics.
.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

SInce we're having a discussion...how about YOU tell us how you think they differ

To make a very long story short, our Medicare system includes a significant free market component in the form of Medicare Supplements, Medicare Advantage Plans and Prescription Drug Plans, and true Single Payer does not.
.

... and every one of those plans is paid for by whom?

Medicare Supplements are paid for by the owner of the policy.

Medicare and Medicare Advantage plans are paid for by taxpayers.

It's amazing how many people have absolutely no idea how our Medicare system works, but pretend that they do.
.

Exactly. You were glossing over that information.

Nope, no need to.

I know how the system works, and my top priority is efficacy, not partisan politics.
.

Apparently you have no idea what efficacy means.

 

[WillowTree]

Why cant we just fix the ACA? its in place, both party's messed it up. that would save a lot of money, and no one has come up with a better plan.

The Republicans had nothing to do with the ACA.

 

[Maxdeath]

All states have unemployment compensation.
Part of the problem with poverty it is tied to the want to work, the want to increase your standards.
You can only give a person so much. After that it is up to them. Unfortunately if you give too much there is only the incentive to collect and not to work.

You miss the point; capital is a requirement to participate in our markets. Simply paying some Labor to pursue Happiness instead of profit will lead to improved market efficiency.

Lol. Love the point that capital is a requirement, blah, blah, blah. Too bad it is bull attempting to sound like you know what you are talking about. The only problem with making up things is someone will eventually call it for what it is. But hey an a for effort, f for actual content.

Capital isn't a requirement to participate in our markets? How then do you invest in anything? How do you start a business? Or expand one? How do you innovate, or hire somebody? It may not be the 1st requirement, that might be an idea or a concept. But from that point on, you gotta have money; how are you gonna eat and where are you gonna sleep while you pursue your dream? How are you gonna obtain the materials, the location, the energy (electricity), somebody had to spend money to allow you to even start.

I take it you did not read what was written before and just jumped in when you saw a few words. Capital is a requirement. You are correct.

But if you start reading what was first posted he was somehow trying to suggest unemployment compensation was not offered and was somehow linked to universal healthcare. After I told him that unemployment compensation was already available but required some one to actually work before collecting it he post a whole bunch of word salad that was basically trying to state that someone should be allowed to work or not work and still get paid.

the right wing is clueless and Causeless and don't care about being illegal to the law, as long as there are less fortunate illegals to "take it out on".

employment is at-will not for right wing, fake morality.

Son it is almost impossible to have a conversation with someone who wants so desperately right and still has no idea what they are talking about. Your best bet would be to commit to a mental hospital where they can give you the help you need. Since nothing you have said has anything to do with the original post I am finished with you. If at some point you want to have a serious discussion on the topic there are others and myself that have real thoughts on the issue.

 

[WillowTree]

Unless somebody offers a better option. Repubs seem to have nothing.

Exactly.

PLAN A: Nothing. (GOP Plan)

PLAN B: Socialized medicine, a.k.a. single payer health care, a.k.a. Medicare For All. (Democratic Plan)


Take a look at this chart and guess which plan the American voter is going to choose:

You can’t have socialized medicine as long as you have open borders! You cannot support all the poor people you are importing. Therefore democrat plan B fails!

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Why cant we just fix the ACA? its in place, both party's messed it up. that would save a lot of money, and no one has come up with a better plan.

The Republicans had nothing to do with the ACA.

They just voted to repeal it 62 times...till they got control of both sides of Congress and the White House and then all of a sudden no longer wanted to repeal it...