DaGoose
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- Nov 16, 2010
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I am a public sector union employee- the union can disappear anytime they like.
I look at my paycheck and wonder that too, I wonder why the next guy next to me and who works half as hard and is as half as effective gets exactly what I get as a raise AND because hes there 2 years longer than me would stay while I got the axe if it came to it.......
A raise btw given to us AFTER the union negotiated har har for a 5 year 4.5% raise a year because we were told starting in 4 years we have to start paying gosh!! 5% of our salaries towards our defined pension plan, you are living in the past, what was in 30 thru the 50s is no longer required now ala collective bargaining etc. due to Civil Service Laws, Ohsa, the Equal Opp. Commission, the Nat. labor Relations Board and...the media.
time to buck up and work in the real world like private sector folks AND at the end of the day MY job like yours is paid BY the taxpayer and we should be infinitely more amendable to city county or state governance to THEIR wishes than some arbitration board which is a joke as the split the baby almost all the time, and decided we would get that raise ahead of the payroll deductions, in effect we didn't lose a thing, we are in fact ahead, and the state is on the hook for even more money. It blows and its not honest anymore imho.
give this a read, its all fine by me.
here ya go.
Civil service law offers less than union contracts
As an elected county official I have negotiated with the unions on the county level. And maybe it's different where you are but the ones that work in my county earn everything they get.
If you have a lot of slackers then get rid of them. And don't say you can't.
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as an elected county official I don't think you have the slightest idea of what you are talking about,sorry, but based on that response and prior ones, unless you're hiding it, Earn whoever said anything about Earning? what does that have to do with it?
are you a member of a public sector union, pay dues, go to meeting, work in a 'shop' etc.? And, How long have you worked in the private sector?
I have been a union member in the private sector for more than 30 years. It was a bit different sitting on the opposite side of the table while serving in my elected position. And EARNING has everything to do with it. Like I said, these employees work their asses off and any talk of cutting wages and/or benefits only shows the hatred the GOP has for the common working man and woman. They are not your enemy.
Second of all, pensions are EARNED. It's part of a total compensation package not unlike most other jobs.
Is there a reason some posters continue to post this bullshit over and over, even after it got de-bunked like 3 weeks and 10 threads ago?
Many public employees contribute little or nothing to their pension, and the taxpayer is on the hook in case there is a shortfall, like to make up for amazingly shocking events like the market not achieving 9% returns EVERY YEAR, or future juiced benefits promised for new hires, or allowances for those retiring at age 40, etc.
All of these fall on ME - the taxpayer to fill the gap. Explain how the fuck a pension or any other benefit is "earned," this sounds like my 6 year old: "daddy, can I have the Wii game now since I earned it by cleaning my room..."
Are you really that stupid? NOTHING has been "debunked" except in your pea sized brain. You don't realize that teachers hire in at 25K a year? If you want to take away their pension then you'd better raise their salary by at least 10K to compensate.
The total compensation package (that's never been debunked) pays lower wages that's made up with benefits. When you add it all up it adds another 10K or so to what teachers are REALLY paid. It's common knowledgeand I'm surprised at your ignorance of it.
Every year I get a statement of benefits and what it costs the company to provide. They add that to my hourly wage and use that to compute the "total compensation package".
And yes, it falls on YOU, the taxpayer, to provide the pay and benefits of those workers that pick up your garbage, teach your stupid kids and save your sorry ass from fire and burglars.
And....if you think education is expensive..........TRY IGNORANCE.
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