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I never denied that there would be higher wages for labor and entry level positions. I said that it would not effect everyone, like those in upper positions.
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CDZ With 9.3 million job openings in the United States, why are there still people panhandling on the corner of Intersections?
- Thread starter Mikeoxenormous
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I never denied that there would be higher wages for labor and entry level positions. I said that it would not effect everyone, like those in upper positions.
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- #402
You need to get on the same page with other right-wingers who allege there is no such thing as a natural rate of unemployment.
Whether there is a natural rate of employment or not is irrelevant. I am correcting your claim that there is no unemployment, only underpayment.
danielpalos
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You merely appeal to ignorance of capitalism and economics. Wage rate matters.Whether there is a natural rate of employment or not is irrelevant. I am correcting your claim that there is no unemployment, only underpayment.
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- #404
You merely appeal to ignorance of capitalism and economics. Wage rate matters.
And you are still dodging the point of this exchange. To say there is no unemployment is appealing to ignorance.
danielpalos
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- #405
Not at all. Only underpayment prevents full employment as we currently know it.And you are still dodging the point of this exchange. To say there is no unemployment is appealing to ignorance.
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- #406
Not at all. Only underpayment prevents full employment as we currently know it.
What prevents it is irrelevant here. You are saying unemployment does not exist. It does.
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Do you know what the unemployment rate is in North Korea?Because Capitalism has a natural rate of unemployment. It is natural under Capitalism, for capitalism.
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I'm not a person who quits easily but when an openly, blatantly corrupt government is ginning up hate and fear against one segment of the population and who have proven they're willing to weaponize FBI/CIA/DHS... and all of that activity is being covered and bolstered by a complicit, corrupt media, I don't believe anything short of a major secessionist movement or a true Civil War is going to change the path this nation is on. The bottom line for me isn't to flail about against these corrupt scum. All I'm about is to defend my home and family against these corrupt thugs, even if it costs my life.You've given up.
The bow of the ship is not yet underwater.
It's like that line from the movie GLADIATOR. It was cited as a Marcus Aurelius quote but who knows...
"DEATH SMILES AT US ALL, ALL A MAN CAN DO IS SMILE BACK"
DudleySmith
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Your static minded postings are all the argument I need.
You expect government to solve the poverty issue while government has been failing at that for 50 years.
That indicates to me that you don’t come to conclusions based on facts.
And neither has 160 years of laisez faire capitalism when the railroads, banks, and corporations have run the government. What little govenment has done, like Social security, unemloyment insurance, public hospitals, etc, has made a lot of difference. Whether the right wing Social Darwinists like that or not is pretty much moot; see the last couple of decades of election wins and losses for how that works.
EMH
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I'm not a person who quits easily but when an openly, blatantly corrupt government is ginning up hate and fear against one segment of the population and who have proven they're willing to weaponize FBI/CIA/DHS... and all of that activity is being covered and bolstered by a complicit, corrupt media, I don't believe anything short of a major secessionist movement or a true Civil War is going to change the path this nation is on. The bottom line for me isn't to flail about against these corrupt scum. All I'm about is to defend my home and family against these corrupt thugs, even if it costs my life.
It's like that line from the movie GLADIATOR. It was cited as a Marcus Aurelius quote but who knows...
"DEATH SMILES AT US ALL, ALL A MAN CAN DO IS SMILE BACK"
One thing is for certain. At the top of government in the us, there are overwhelmingly traitors in office. The media is all traitors. The legal profession is overwhelmingly traitors. Every "scientist"pushing global warming is a traitor.
There are a lot of traitors in high places.
danielpalos
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A natural rate of unemployment?What prevents it is irrelevant here. You are saying unemployment does not exist. It does.
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- #413
A natural rate of unemployment?
The string of quotes by us both leads directly back to your statement of "There is no unemployment only underpayment under Capitalism", which is wrong.
How can a statement be "wrong" when it doesn't mean anything to begin with?The string of quotes by us both leads directly back to your statement of "There is no unemployment only underpayment under Capitalism", which is wrong.
danielpalos
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Ceteris paribus, there is no unemployment only underpayment under Capitalism.The string of quotes by us both leads directly back to your statement of "There is no unemployment only underpayment under Capitalism", which is wrong.
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- #416
Ceteris paribus, there is no unemployment only underpayment under Capitalism.
It does not matter that other conditions remain the same. Claiming that unemployment does not exist is ridiculous.
Go to one of the towns where the factory or plant that was the main employer closed down and tell those people it is just underpayment, and not unemployment.
danielpalos
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- #417
That is not ceteris paribus.It does not matter that other conditions remain the same. Claiming that unemployment does not exist is ridiculous.
Go to one of the towns where the factory or plant that was the main employer closed down and tell those people it is just underpayment, and not unemployment.
Why would anyone be unemployed if they could get the wage they wanted?
sartre play
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Unemployment numbers are down, that's a good thing, we are a long way from back to business as usual.
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That is not ceteris paribus.
Why would anyone be unemployed if they could get the wage they wanted?
Because there are no good paying jobs where they live? Because they are not qualified for the better paying jobs? There are plenty of reasons.
danielpalos
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Still not ceteris paribus. Why would anyone want to be unemployed if they could get the wage they wanted?Because there are no good paying jobs where they live? Because they are not qualified for the better paying jobs? There are plenty of reasons.
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