With gun violence down, is America arming against an imagined threat?

[jon_berzerk]

Can background checks prevent people from becoming homicidal after they purchase a gun?

Just because you cannot prevent EVERY gun homicide doesn't mean you should not try to prevent any

An attempt should be made to prevent any homicide. What if any kind of evidence do you have that additional gun control laws will do that in America ? I can answer that for you.
Zero.
Why don't you come back when you have some kind of evidence that what you propose will actually work. Isn't that the point here ? A change that works as opposed to a feel good proposal that negatively effects law abiding citizens.

looking at the gun ban utopias like Chicago

one way say it makes it worse

 

[PaulS1950]

You cannot prevent crime. CAN"T BE DONE, not happening. Even in the totalitarian communist regimes they couldn't prevent crime. You certainly can't prevent crime in a free society. We have laws so we can prosecute criminals once they break the law.
What we really want is to get rid of the violence. Lets start prosecuting violent offenders to the full extent of the law. No more plea bargains, no more early releases and extra time for any violent offenders who use a gun in the commission of a crime.
That will likely save lives and lower the violent crime rate too.

 

[M14 Shooter]

If the US implemented gun safety laws tomorrow...

Fact:
None of the laws you would see put in place have anything to do with, and will not in any way affect, gun safetly.

This is yet another fact that you will ignore, helping to prove that anti-gun loons can only argue from emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Well, the assault rifle massacres....

There have been exactly ZERO murders, much less 'massacres' committed with legally-owned assault rifles.

Exactly zero.

You choose to ignore this fact, proving that you cannot argue from anything other than emotion, ognorance and/or dishonesty.

 

[rightwinger]

Can background checks prevent people from becoming homicidal after they purchase a gun?

Just because you cannot prevent EVERY gun homicide doesn't mean you should not try to prevent any

Can you answer his question?

We already have background checks. We've had background checks for 40 years. Guess what, they don't work. They dont prevent anything.
The left is enthralled with background checks like it's some panacaea. Of course when they dont work they move right to confiscation.

Watered down background checks that get through the NRA don't work

 

[rightwinger]

You cannot prevent crime. CAN"T BE DONE, not happening. Even in the totalitarian communist regimes they couldn't prevent crime. You certainly can't prevent crime in a free society. We have laws so we can prosecute criminals once they break the law.
What we really want is to get rid of the violence. Lets start prosecuting violent offenders to the full extent of the law. No more plea bargains, no more early releases and extra time for any violent offenders who use a gun in the commission of a crime.
That will likely save lives and lower the violent crime rate too.

You can't prevent all crime. But many industrialized nations manage to have homicide rates one third of what ours are. The US competes with third world nations for homicide rates

 

[legaleagle_45]

You can't prevent all crime. But many industrialized nations manage to have homicide rates one third of what ours are. The US competes with third world nations for homicide rates

And those same industialized nations have managed to have homicide rates at much lower levels than ours even befor they instituted strict gun control laws.

 

[M14 Shooter]

You can't prevent all crime. But many industrialized nations manage to have homicide rates one third of what ours are. The US competes with third world nations for homicide rates

And those same industialized nations have managed to have homicide rates at much lower levels than ours even befor they instituted strict gun control laws.

As we all know, there's no difference in demographics between small European countries and US cities - as such, their lower murder rates must be becauise of their gun laws.

 

[legaleagle_45]

Watered down background checks that get through the NRA don't work

Interesting, you now consider The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act to be something that got through the NRA?

 

[rightwinger]

You can't prevent all crime. But many industrialized nations manage to have homicide rates one third of what ours are. The US competes with third world nations for homicide rates

And those same industialized nations have managed to have homicide rates at much lower levels than ours even befor they instituted strict gun control laws.

As we all know, there's no difference in demographics between small European countries and US cities - as such, their lower murder rates must be becauise of their gun laws.

And our demographics must relate to those of third world nations.....because that's where our homicide rate is

 

[rightwinger]

Watered down background checks that get through the NRA don't work

Interesting, you now consider The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act to be something that got through the NRA?

Like most gun legislation, Brady got watered down to the point where it was ineffective also

 

[legaleagle_45]

And our demographics must relate to those of third world nations.....because that's where our homicide rate is

Such as Brunei, Bahrain, Guam, Macau, and Oman... which all have lower rates than the UK?

Our demographics are unique. We are the most diverse country in terms of race, religion, culture and ethicity in the history of the universe. Gangs tend to be created along these divisions and criminal gangs are the major source of violent crime in the US urban enviornment, accounting for over 85% of violent crime in LA and Chicago according to the FBI.

Sub Sahara Africa has an extremely high homicide rate, not because they are "third world nations" but because of inter tribal rivalries.

Other developed countries have criminal gangs, but the US is unique in the multitude of criminal gangs... Chicago alone has counted 16 criminal gangs operating in the city. It is inter gang rivalries which fuel our homicide rate.

 

[legaleagle_45]

Like most gun legislation, Brady got watered down to the point where it was ineffective also

Oh really, so the Brady Campaign was lying about what a great law it was? And the NRA was not really serious when they challenged it all the way to the US Supreme Court?

Do tell...

 

[M14 Shooter]

Watered down background checks that get through the NRA don't work

Interesting, you now consider The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act to be something that got through the NRA?

The anti-gun loons see the Brady Act as a failure, as it clearly did not produce the restults they said it would.

But then, what was the plan. They knew it would fail, giving them the opportunity to argue for universal background checks.

Which, of course, will fail, until such a time as we have universal registration.

See, they want the federal government to know wwhere all the guns are and who have them.

Want to guess why?

 

[legaleagle_45]

The anti-gun loons see the Brady Act as a failure, as it clearly did not produce the restults they said it would./QUOTE]

I have noticed that anti-gun loons never consider for a moment that gun control laws do not work... If the laws do not work it is because they are not strict enough.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The anti-gun loons see the Brady Act as a failure, as it clearly did not produce the restults they said it would.

I have noticed that anti-gun loons never consider for a moment that gun control laws do not work... If the laws do not work it is because they are not strict enough.

They refuse to accept that fact that you cannot enact a law that will prevent someone from breaking the law.

This only goes to support the theory that they want the state to have a monopoly on force, and understand that an armed citizenry gets in the way of this.

 

[The Rabbi]

Just because you cannot prevent EVERY gun homicide doesn't mean you should not try to prevent any

Can you answer his question?

We already have background checks. We've had background checks for 40 years. Guess what, they don't work. They dont prevent anything.
The left is enthralled with background checks like it's some panacaea. Of course when they dont work they move right to confiscation.

Watered down background checks that get through the NRA don't work

How are the background checks watered down? What does the NRA have to do with them?

You are deteriorating into word salad. Drugs not working today?

 

[rightwinger]

Can you answer his question?

We already have background checks. We've had background checks for 40 years. Guess what, they don't work. They dont prevent anything.
The left is enthralled with background checks like it's some panacaea. Of course when they dont work they move right to confiscation.

Watered down background checks that get through the NRA don't work

How are the background checks watered down? What does the NRA have to do with them?

You are deteriorating into word salad. Drugs not working today?

LOL...

What does the NRA have to do with gun legislation?

What? Do you live in a hole?

 

[9thIDdoc]

Background checks that show someone suffers from severe depression, or background checks that show someone is suicidal.

Recent events show that background checks that show someone is fucking crazy would help.

Just because NRA resistance has turned background checks into a farce doesn't mean they have to remain that way

Can background checks prevent people from becoming homicidal after they purchase a gun?

Just because you cannot prevent EVERY gun homicide doesn't mean you should not try to prevent any

Wanting to prevent violent crimes doesn't give you the right to disarm potential victims. That only increases it and is an idiotic sham of an excuse in any case. Wake up! This ain't rocket science.

 

[The Rabbi]

Watered down background checks that get through the NRA don't work

How are the background checks watered down? What does the NRA have to do with them?

You are deteriorating into word salad. Drugs not working today?

LOL...

What does the NRA have to do with gun legislation?

What? Do you live in a hole?

So what background checks did the NRA water down and how exactly did they do that? You are long on claims and short on logic, much less sense.