With only around 500 billionaires in the country

[Brain357]

Well the problem is the rich have gotten lots of breaks and there has been nothing in return. Lots of inequality leads to a stagnant economy, that is where we are now.

The top 10% of wage earners in the US pay over 70% of all collected income taxes. Do you call that equity?

I call equity everybody paying the same or at the very least, the same percentage in taxes. Our stagnant economy is due to foreigners coming here and taking jobs away from Americans because they will work for next to nothing. That keeps wages down for everybody in this country.

The other part of a stagnant economy is when living off of taxpayers works out better than getting a job and working. We have more people of working age today not working since the early 70's. It's no accident either.

Of course they do. Look at all the inequality. That's what happens when they hoard all the money.

Sorry, I'm not following your logic: what happens when they hoard all the money?

They are taking all the money rather than creating good paying jobs. If they are going to make all the money then there is nobody else to pay the taxes.

How are they making all this money? Who gives it to them?

The hard working employees make it for them.

 

[bripat9643]

The top 10% of wage earners in the US pay over 70% of all collected income taxes. Do you call that equity?

I call equity everybody paying the same or at the very least, the same percentage in taxes. Our stagnant economy is due to foreigners coming here and taking jobs away from Americans because they will work for next to nothing. That keeps wages down for everybody in this country.

The other part of a stagnant economy is when living off of taxpayers works out better than getting a job and working. We have more people of working age today not working since the early 70's. It's no accident either.

Of course they do. Look at all the inequality. That's what happens when they hoard all the money.

Sorry, I'm not following your logic: what happens when they hoard all the money?

They are taking all the money rather than creating good paying jobs. If they are going to make all the money then there is nobody else to pay the taxes.

How are they making all this money? Who gives it to them?

The hard working employees make it for them.

Who buys the cell phones, numskull? Who buys the cars GM sells? Who buys the gas that Exxon sells? Who buys the millions of homes that are built in this country every year?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The top 10% of wage earners in the US pay over 70% of all collected income taxes. Do you call that equity?

I call equity everybody paying the same or at the very least, the same percentage in taxes. Our stagnant economy is due to foreigners coming here and taking jobs away from Americans because they will work for next to nothing. That keeps wages down for everybody in this country.

The other part of a stagnant economy is when living off of taxpayers works out better than getting a job and working. We have more people of working age today not working since the early 70's. It's no accident either.

Of course they do. Look at all the inequality. That's what happens when they hoard all the money.

Sorry, I'm not following your logic: what happens when they hoard all the money?

They are taking all the money rather than creating good paying jobs. If they are going to make all the money then there is nobody else to pay the taxes.

How much money they make is irrelevant to what anybody else makes. Even if they took a huge pay cut (which they shouldn't) and divide that money out to the tens of thousands of employees they have, it wouldn't amount to much and not change a thing.

They could afford to pay enough employees aren't on welfare. Now that would help the economy.

Do you know what else would help the economy? If people took the initiative to make themselves worth more money by learning a trade or getting some sort of skill set. Stocking shelves, moping floors and cleaning toilets are not skill sets. A monkey can do those jobs.

I have a couple I rent an apartment to. Good people and they have been here a couple of years. They are late with rent all the time but I know I'll always get it.

Both work fast food jobs and they work all kinds of goofy hours. So why don't they try to get better jobs? Because they smoke pot, and better jobs usually have drug screenings.

They are in their mid 20's now and wasting their lives simply because partying is more important than setting a path of financial success in life. I don't care because it's their choice. But why should an employer pay them more money simply because of the lifestyle they chose? If they want to do better financially, then they need to quit smoking grass, look for better jobs, and become more productive in life. It's up to them to better themselves financially, not their fast food manager.

 

[Brain357]

Sadly anyone poor enough to not pay income taxes is very poor.

So you're saying that 47% of our population are very poor?

In income yes. You have to make very little to not pay income taxes. Many are retired.

No, many middle-class people pay no actual income tax. Other taxes? Yes they do, we all do, but not income tax.

I paid the feds over $60,000 last year. That's enough to support 3 families on welfare.

Not today. They do way better than that because they are on more than just welfare.

When you consider free healthcare, a home in the suburbs, SNAP's, welfare, utility assistance and so on, many of these people do better than working Americans.

"If you pay people not to work, don't be too surprised when they don't."
Rush Limbaugh

You really are kidding yourself if you think they are living it up.

 

[Brain357]

Of course they do. Look at all the inequality. That's what happens when they hoard all the money.

Sorry, I'm not following your logic: what happens when they hoard all the money?

They are taking all the money rather than creating good paying jobs. If they are going to make all the money then there is nobody else to pay the taxes.

How much money they make is irrelevant to what anybody else makes. Even if they took a huge pay cut (which they shouldn't) and divide that money out to the tens of thousands of employees they have, it wouldn't amount to much and not change a thing.

They could afford to pay enough employees aren't on welfare. Now that would help the economy.

Do you know what else would help the economy? If people took the initiative to make themselves worth more money by learning a trade or getting some sort of skill set. Stocking shelves, moping floors and cleaning toilets are not skill sets. A monkey can do those jobs.

I have a couple I rent an apartment to. Good people and they have been here a couple of years. They are late with rent all the time but I know I'll always get it.

Both work fast food jobs and they work all kinds of goofy hours. So why don't they try to get better jobs? Because they smoke pot, and better jobs usually have drug screenings.

They are in their mid 20's now and wasting their lives simply because partying is more important than setting a path of financial success in life. I don't care because it's their choice. But why should an employer pay them more money simply because of the lifestyle they chose? If they want to do better financially, then they need to quit smoking grass, look for better jobs, and become more productive in life. It's up to them to better themselves financially, not their fast food manager.

The jobs aren't there. If they were wages wouldn't be stagnant.

 

[Brain357]

Yeah, and in case it hasn't occurred to you, WE don't live in those countries precisely because WE would not be happy. If socialism is your cup of tea, go live somewhere socialist. Stop trying to force it on people who don't want it and telling them how "happy" it's going to make them.

Human beings aren't a "one size fits all" scenario. We're not an anthill or a beehive or the Borg Collective. What the hell is it about being an individual that scares you so?

We have socialism here.

Yes we do, and what's happening with that socialism?

Most all of our programs are going broke. We are 18 trillion in the hole and quickly approaching 19 trillion. Half of the people depend partly or entirely on the support of governments.

Back in the 60's and 70's we had communes. Communes were entirely socialist. Some went out to get supplies and necessities for the rest in the commune and others stayed in the commune having babies, smoking pot and watching television if they had one.

After a while, the people supporting the commune grew sick of taking care of everybody else. That's why communes disappeared.

Socialsim has a short fuse. Sure, it may work for a while. It may work 30 years, 60 years, even 100 years. But eventually, it will collapse much like our social programs are.

It has never worked for periods of even 10 years.

You can't be serious.

Please name a 10 year period when complete socialism "worked."

Germany has been doing fine for much longer than that.

 

[bripat9643]

We have socialism here.

Yes we do, and what's happening with that socialism?

Most all of our programs are going broke. We are 18 trillion in the hole and quickly approaching 19 trillion. Half of the people depend partly or entirely on the support of governments.

Back in the 60's and 70's we had communes. Communes were entirely socialist. Some went out to get supplies and necessities for the rest in the commune and others stayed in the commune having babies, smoking pot and watching television if they had one.

After a while, the people supporting the commune grew sick of taking care of everybody else. That's why communes disappeared.

Socialsim has a short fuse. Sure, it may work for a while. It may work 30 years, 60 years, even 100 years. But eventually, it will collapse much like our social programs are.

It has never worked for periods of even 10 years.

You can't be serious.

Please name a 10 year period when complete socialism "worked."

Germany has been doing fine for much longer than that.

Germany isn't socialist. It's mostly capitalist. I mean pure socialism - no private companies of any kind.

 

[Brain357]

Yes we do, and what's happening with that socialism?

Most all of our programs are going broke. We are 18 trillion in the hole and quickly approaching 19 trillion. Half of the people depend partly or entirely on the support of governments.

Back in the 60's and 70's we had communes. Communes were entirely socialist. Some went out to get supplies and necessities for the rest in the commune and others stayed in the commune having babies, smoking pot and watching television if they had one.

After a while, the people supporting the commune grew sick of taking care of everybody else. That's why communes disappeared.

Socialsim has a short fuse. Sure, it may work for a while. It may work 30 years, 60 years, even 100 years. But eventually, it will collapse much like our social programs are.

It has never worked for periods of even 10 years.

You can't be serious.

Please name a 10 year period when complete socialism "worked."

Germany has been doing fine for much longer than that.

Germany isn't socialist. It's mostly capitalist. I mean pure socialism - no private companies of any kind.

You mean communism. Communism doesn't work, but the USSR lasted longer than 10 years.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Sorry, I'm not following your logic: what happens when they hoard all the money?

They are taking all the money rather than creating good paying jobs. If they are going to make all the money then there is nobody else to pay the taxes.

How much money they make is irrelevant to what anybody else makes. Even if they took a huge pay cut (which they shouldn't) and divide that money out to the tens of thousands of employees they have, it wouldn't amount to much and not change a thing.

They could afford to pay enough employees aren't on welfare. Now that would help the economy.

Do you know what else would help the economy? If people took the initiative to make themselves worth more money by learning a trade or getting some sort of skill set. Stocking shelves, moping floors and cleaning toilets are not skill sets. A monkey can do those jobs.

I have a couple I rent an apartment to. Good people and they have been here a couple of years. They are late with rent all the time but I know I'll always get it.

Both work fast food jobs and they work all kinds of goofy hours. So why don't they try to get better jobs? Because they smoke pot, and better jobs usually have drug screenings.

They are in their mid 20's now and wasting their lives simply because partying is more important than setting a path of financial success in life. I don't care because it's their choice. But why should an employer pay them more money simply because of the lifestyle they chose? If they want to do better financially, then they need to quit smoking grass, look for better jobs, and become more productive in life. It's up to them to better themselves financially, not their fast food manager.

The jobs aren't there. If they were wages wouldn't be stagnant.

The jobs are there, it's just that Americans don't want them. They want to stay home on their Obama phones.

Right now in my industry alone, they predict we are going to need 48,000 more workers that employers can't find by the end of this year. That's why employers are turning to foreigners to do the work.

After you get a year or two of experience, you call the shots. You choose where and when you want to work. The job pays pretty well depending on who you work for.

ATA: ‘Driver Shortage’ Likely To Reach 48,000 By The End of The Year

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We have socialism here.

Yes we do, and what's happening with that socialism?

Most all of our programs are going broke. We are 18 trillion in the hole and quickly approaching 19 trillion. Half of the people depend partly or entirely on the support of governments.

Back in the 60's and 70's we had communes. Communes were entirely socialist. Some went out to get supplies and necessities for the rest in the commune and others stayed in the commune having babies, smoking pot and watching television if they had one.

After a while, the people supporting the commune grew sick of taking care of everybody else. That's why communes disappeared.

Socialsim has a short fuse. Sure, it may work for a while. It may work 30 years, 60 years, even 100 years. But eventually, it will collapse much like our social programs are.

It has never worked for periods of even 10 years.

You can't be serious.

Please name a 10 year period when complete socialism "worked."

Germany has been doing fine for much longer than that.

How is Greece doing these days?

 

[bripat9643]

It has never worked for periods of even 10 years.

You can't be serious.

Please name a 10 year period when complete socialism "worked."

Germany has been doing fine for much longer than that.

Germany isn't socialist. It's mostly capitalist. I mean pure socialism - no private companies of any kind.

You mean communism. Communism doesn't work, but the USSR lasted longer than 10 years.

So pure socialism is communism? And capitalism is socialism?

You guys don't know the difference between shit and Shinola, do you?

 

[Brain357]

They are taking all the money rather than creating good paying jobs. If they are going to make all the money then there is nobody else to pay the taxes.

How much money they make is irrelevant to what anybody else makes. Even if they took a huge pay cut (which they shouldn't) and divide that money out to the tens of thousands of employees they have, it wouldn't amount to much and not change a thing.

They could afford to pay enough employees aren't on welfare. Now that would help the economy.

Do you know what else would help the economy? If people took the initiative to make themselves worth more money by learning a trade or getting some sort of skill set. Stocking shelves, moping floors and cleaning toilets are not skill sets. A monkey can do those jobs.

I have a couple I rent an apartment to. Good people and they have been here a couple of years. They are late with rent all the time but I know I'll always get it.

Both work fast food jobs and they work all kinds of goofy hours. So why don't they try to get better jobs? Because they smoke pot, and better jobs usually have drug screenings.

They are in their mid 20's now and wasting their lives simply because partying is more important than setting a path of financial success in life. I don't care because it's their choice. But why should an employer pay them more money simply because of the lifestyle they chose? If they want to do better financially, then they need to quit smoking grass, look for better jobs, and become more productive in life. It's up to them to better themselves financially, not their fast food manager.

The jobs aren't there. If they were wages wouldn't be stagnant.

The jobs are there, it's just that Americans don't want them. They want to stay home on their Obama phones.

Right now in my industry alone, they predict we are going to need 48,000 more workers that employers can't find by the end of this year. That's why employers are turning to foreigners to do the work.

After you get a year or two of experience, you call the shots. You choose where and when you want to work. The job pays pretty well depending on who you work for.

ATA: ‘Driver Shortage’ Likely To Reach 48,000 By The End of The Year

Again if the jobs were there wages would go up. Wages are stagnant.

 

[bripat9643]

How much money they make is irrelevant to what anybody else makes. Even if they took a huge pay cut (which they shouldn't) and divide that money out to the tens of thousands of employees they have, it wouldn't amount to much and not change a thing.

They could afford to pay enough employees aren't on welfare. Now that would help the economy.

Do you know what else would help the economy? If people took the initiative to make themselves worth more money by learning a trade or getting some sort of skill set. Stocking shelves, moping floors and cleaning toilets are not skill sets. A monkey can do those jobs.

I have a couple I rent an apartment to. Good people and they have been here a couple of years. They are late with rent all the time but I know I'll always get it.

Both work fast food jobs and they work all kinds of goofy hours. So why don't they try to get better jobs? Because they smoke pot, and better jobs usually have drug screenings.

They are in their mid 20's now and wasting their lives simply because partying is more important than setting a path of financial success in life. I don't care because it's their choice. But why should an employer pay them more money simply because of the lifestyle they chose? If they want to do better financially, then they need to quit smoking grass, look for better jobs, and become more productive in life. It's up to them to better themselves financially, not their fast food manager.

The jobs aren't there. If they were wages wouldn't be stagnant.

The jobs are there, it's just that Americans don't want them. They want to stay home on their Obama phones.

Right now in my industry alone, they predict we are going to need 48,000 more workers that employers can't find by the end of this year. That's why employers are turning to foreigners to do the work.

After you get a year or two of experience, you call the shots. You choose where and when you want to work. The job pays pretty well depending on who you work for.

ATA: ‘Driver Shortage’ Likely To Reach 48,000 By The End of The Year

Again if the jobs were there wages would go up. Wages are stagnant.

You can thank the millions of cheap laborers for third world countries the Democrats have imported for that.

 

[Brain357]

You can't be serious.

Please name a 10 year period when complete socialism "worked."

Germany has been doing fine for much longer than that.

Germany isn't socialist. It's mostly capitalist. I mean pure socialism - no private companies of any kind.

You mean communism. Communism doesn't work, but the USSR lasted longer than 10 years.

So pure socialism is communism? And capitalism is socialism?

You guys don't know the difference between shit and Shinola, do you?

You make very little sense so it's hard to guess just what you mean.

 

[Brain357]

They could afford to pay enough employees aren't on welfare. Now that would help the economy.

Do you know what else would help the economy? If people took the initiative to make themselves worth more money by learning a trade or getting some sort of skill set. Stocking shelves, moping floors and cleaning toilets are not skill sets. A monkey can do those jobs.

I have a couple I rent an apartment to. Good people and they have been here a couple of years. They are late with rent all the time but I know I'll always get it.

Both work fast food jobs and they work all kinds of goofy hours. So why don't they try to get better jobs? Because they smoke pot, and better jobs usually have drug screenings.

They are in their mid 20's now and wasting their lives simply because partying is more important than setting a path of financial success in life. I don't care because it's their choice. But why should an employer pay them more money simply because of the lifestyle they chose? If they want to do better financially, then they need to quit smoking grass, look for better jobs, and become more productive in life. It's up to them to better themselves financially, not their fast food manager.

The jobs aren't there. If they were wages wouldn't be stagnant.

The jobs are there, it's just that Americans don't want them. They want to stay home on their Obama phones.

Right now in my industry alone, they predict we are going to need 48,000 more workers that employers can't find by the end of this year. That's why employers are turning to foreigners to do the work.

After you get a year or two of experience, you call the shots. You choose where and when you want to work. The job pays pretty well depending on who you work for.

ATA: ‘Driver Shortage’ Likely To Reach 48,000 By The End of The Year

Again if the jobs were there wages would go up. Wages are stagnant.

You can thank the millions of cheap laborers for third world countries the Democrats have imported for that.

There aren't enough immigrants to stagnate the worlds largest economy.

 

[Brain357]

They are taking all the money rather than creating good paying jobs. If they are going to make all the money then there is nobody else to pay the taxes.

How much money they make is irrelevant to what anybody else makes. Even if they took a huge pay cut (which they shouldn't) and divide that money out to the tens of thousands of employees they have, it wouldn't amount to much and not change a thing.

They could afford to pay enough employees aren't on welfare. Now that would help the economy.

Do you know what else would help the economy? If people took the initiative to make themselves worth more money by learning a trade or getting some sort of skill set. Stocking shelves, moping floors and cleaning toilets are not skill sets. A monkey can do those jobs.

I have a couple I rent an apartment to. Good people and they have been here a couple of years. They are late with rent all the time but I know I'll always get it.

Both work fast food jobs and they work all kinds of goofy hours. So why don't they try to get better jobs? Because they smoke pot, and better jobs usually have drug screenings.

They are in their mid 20's now and wasting their lives simply because partying is more important than setting a path of financial success in life. I don't care because it's their choice. But why should an employer pay them more money simply because of the lifestyle they chose? If they want to do better financially, then they need to quit smoking grass, look for better jobs, and become more productive in life. It's up to them to better themselves financially, not their fast food manager.

The jobs aren't there. If they were wages wouldn't be stagnant.

The jobs are there, it's just that Americans don't want them. They want to stay home on their Obama phones.

Right now in my industry alone, they predict we are going to need 48,000 more workers that employers can't find by the end of this year. That's why employers are turning to foreigners to do the work.

After you get a year or two of experience, you call the shots. You choose where and when you want to work. The job pays pretty well depending on who you work for.

ATA: ‘Driver Shortage’ Likely To Reach 48,000 By The End of The Year

Higher driving costs and falling pay have created a truck-driver shortage that's likely to worsen in the coming years.
American Truck Drivers Are Getting Squeezed Out Of Their Profession - Business Insider

 

[bripat9643]

Do you know what else would help the economy? If people took the initiative to make themselves worth more money by learning a trade or getting some sort of skill set. Stocking shelves, moping floors and cleaning toilets are not skill sets. A monkey can do those jobs.

I have a couple I rent an apartment to. Good people and they have been here a couple of years. They are late with rent all the time but I know I'll always get it.

Both work fast food jobs and they work all kinds of goofy hours. So why don't they try to get better jobs? Because they smoke pot, and better jobs usually have drug screenings.

They are in their mid 20's now and wasting their lives simply because partying is more important than setting a path of financial success in life. I don't care because it's their choice. But why should an employer pay them more money simply because of the lifestyle they chose? If they want to do better financially, then they need to quit smoking grass, look for better jobs, and become more productive in life. It's up to them to better themselves financially, not their fast food manager.

The jobs aren't there. If they were wages wouldn't be stagnant.

The jobs are there, it's just that Americans don't want them. They want to stay home on their Obama phones.

Right now in my industry alone, they predict we are going to need 48,000 more workers that employers can't find by the end of this year. That's why employers are turning to foreigners to do the work.

After you get a year or two of experience, you call the shots. You choose where and when you want to work. The job pays pretty well depending on who you work for.

ATA: ‘Driver Shortage’ Likely To Reach 48,000 By The End of The Year

Again if the jobs were there wages would go up. Wages are stagnant.

You can thank the millions of cheap laborers for third world countries the Democrats have imported for that.

There aren't enough immigrants to stagnate the worlds largest economy.

They can certainly drive down the wages of the middle class.

 

[bripat9643]

Please name a 10 year period when complete socialism "worked."

Germany has been doing fine for much longer than that.

Germany isn't socialist. It's mostly capitalist. I mean pure socialism - no private companies of any kind.

You mean communism. Communism doesn't work, but the USSR lasted longer than 10 years.

So pure socialism is communism? And capitalism is socialism?

You guys don't know the difference between shit and Shinola, do you?

You make very little sense so it's hard to guess just what you mean.

So you can't provide an example where socialism has worked for 10 years?

 

[Brain357]

The jobs aren't there. If they were wages wouldn't be stagnant.

The jobs are there, it's just that Americans don't want them. They want to stay home on their Obama phones.

Right now in my industry alone, they predict we are going to need 48,000 more workers that employers can't find by the end of this year. That's why employers are turning to foreigners to do the work.

After you get a year or two of experience, you call the shots. You choose where and when you want to work. The job pays pretty well depending on who you work for.

ATA: ‘Driver Shortage’ Likely To Reach 48,000 By The End of The Year

Again if the jobs were there wages would go up. Wages are stagnant.

You can thank the millions of cheap laborers for third world countries the Democrats have imported for that.

There aren't enough immigrants to stagnate the worlds largest economy.

They can certainly drive down the wages of the middle class.

Not helping but only part of problem.

 

[Brain357]

Germany has been doing fine for much longer than that.

Germany isn't socialist. It's mostly capitalist. I mean pure socialism - no private companies of any kind.

You mean communism. Communism doesn't work, but the USSR lasted longer than 10 years.

So pure socialism is communism? And capitalism is socialism?

You guys don't know the difference between shit and Shinola, do you?

You make very little sense so it's hard to guess just what you mean.

So you can't provide an example where socialism has worked for 10 years?

I already did. I'm not suggesting full socialism is a great idea. I provided an example of what works.