Woody Allen Child Molester?

[Esmeralda]

I wonder why he is not suing for defamation of character. If someone accused you publicly through the written word, would you file a lawsuit for libel?

No?

Of course you wouldn't.

Now, lets get to the question.

Why isn't he suing? Is he suing? Lets keep an eye on it. Cause if he does not file anything, that is all I will need to know.

Oh thats right. The girl "believes she is telling the truth."

Cause marrying their adapted daughter and taking nude of photos of her when he was a middle aged man, is not creepy enough. Yeah, nothing there.

Say, isn't there at least ONE WITNESS to this? The nanny?

One reason that seems very obvious why he doesn't sue: he would look like such a villian! It is something that would be very hurtful to Dylan, whether she was molested or whether it is a false memory: it would be shattering for her, but more important, he would look worse, a worse villian for putting her through more agony. I don't know if he cares about her at all, but he does care about himself, and his image.

Well, we can say there is no evidence. Sometimes the witness being abused is considered to be evidence. In fact, it is often used as evidence. I asked this before. I thought there was one witness, the nanny.

Also, if you need more evidence than that, then you are saying that the girl could be flat out lying. There is no other way to put it. She is emphatic and direct about it. Now, you can do the old liberal thing and take on both sides of the issue by claiming, "well, I believe she believes it happened."

That is just a pathetic attempt to obfuscate from the real contention. You either believe her, or you doubt her claims. Now, if you doubt her claims, that means she is LYING. She went into some real detail, and from the stand point of the EXPERTS who are either criminal forensic psychologists, or people who have experienced these things, they almost all believe her accounts.

Plus, when you consider the other things (marrying a young girl and reportedly taking nude photos of her when she was 18) all coincides with a man whose morals are skewed. At least their judgement is.

You and seemingly the entire left wants to turn this into an official court room. Which is where the notion of INNOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY belongs. Opinions on this can be expressed. Yes, even opinions of guilt. People can actually have an opinion of guilt or innocence.

I think he guilty as hell. I think he is creepy as hell.

Now, why don't you tell us your opinion. Don't give us this crap about evidence. What is your opinion? Is the girl lying or not.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Now watch folks. How liberals are totally incapable providing a simple yes or no. What is the definition of "is?"

Behold their double talk and bullshit.

You have very obviously not read any of my previous posts and are just looking for a fight and to make this a political left versus right thing. It isn't. It is not a political issue. And I do not march in lockstep with every liberal in America or on the planet.

 

[tinydancer]

When you have three baby sitters who all said under oath they witnessed disturbing behavior and obviously they had informed Ms. Farrow about the incidents at the time way before the court case, what was Mia to do.

Then couple this situation with finding pornographic pictures of her daughter on Woody's mantle piece and discovering her long time lover was having an affair with her daughter Woody Allen supporters tell me please what should Mia Farrow have done?

Oh, is it up to three babysitters now?

Why would it take THREE babysitters?

Again, this really, really sounds like old Mia got upset that she got traded in.

Incidently, I think they are both kind of flakey. But last time I checked, being a flake wasn't a crime, or half of USMB would be posting from prison.

The babysitters all witnessed different behaviors. That should be a no brainer.The one that told her employer first and the employer called Mia to tell her what the sitter had seen was the catalyst to the firestorm.

She saw Dylan on the couch with Woody on his knees in front of her with his head in her lap.

Another sitter testified that Dylan had indeed gone missing for about 2o minutes. This is the incident where Dylan claims he finger fucked her. Pardon my french but there is no nice way to put it.

Third babysitter witnessed Dylan with no underpants on sitting next to Allen on the couch.

Mia wasn't upset she was "traded in" . She was pissed off when she saw Soon Yi's pornographic pictures on Woody's mantlepiece. You know. Her daughter's pornographic like pictures taken by her long time lover.

Farrow and rightfully so was distraught that Woody was having an affair with her daughter.

And her other children were needless to say completely freaked out that the man they knew as Daddy was going to marry their sister.

No brainer on why Farrow was upset for crying out loud.

 

[RosieS]

Yup, so upset was Mia that Mommy could not get Dylan to keep her story straight for the people from the hospital.

Nor could Mommy get Dylan to sound natural and not rehearsed for those people.
Despite her acting chops, Mommy was a crappy drama coach.

Yup, there is a child abuser in this sordid tale.

The Yale staff, the first professionals to see and hear Dylan live and uncensored, pointed to which parent
was the abuser.

And Dylan will still go off as if on cue any time Mommy's ex gets some positive publicity. Even 20+ years later!

Sick.

Regards from Rosie

 

[Plasmaball]

No you have no idea what I am talking about and are injecting your own very subjective standard. Further, your position is fallacious because children are left with those other than their parents in many, many ways such as school and extra curricular activities at least I do that. I assess every single person that will be with my child before I leave my child with them, that includes play dates and birthday parties. That is what I am talking about.

I am not here to decide the guilt of a man that has not been to trial. I am here to discuss Woody Allen and view his acts and how they effect the family including the person who made that statement which comprises the body of this discussion.


You want to decide his guilt or innocence there are plenty of people here to do that with.

Okay -- so you absolutely truly have nothing to do with the thread, and what's being discussed here? Your responses make much more sense in that light.

I have everything to do with this thread and discussed that which I felt interested me. We view things differently. I am at a stage in my life where I look at people who would be good for my son or bad for my son. This thread has been very enlightening in both the OP and responses. Which is why I have had meaningful and well thought out discussions with those who I enjoyed sharing thoughts with.


Are you suggesting I leave this thread, am posting in an inappropriate way, derailing or otherwise acting in an untoward manner? In other words I see you are still trying to provoke....

Wow so you are a typical parent. Congrats on that accomplishment.

Beyond you discovering how to be a parent, you are here to discuss his guilt. You've already stated as much that you do not trust him.nothing wrong with that if you do not, but that is not what people are doing are they. They are professing guilt with little to no proof.

 

[Plasmaball]

Where is fox poop, shouldn't she be here defending Allen since people are going after him materially. Ugh I felt stupid saying that.

 

[Connery]

Okay -- so you absolutely truly have nothing to do with the thread, and what's being discussed here? Your responses make much more sense in that light.

I have everything to do with this thread and discussed that which I felt interested me. We view things differently. I am at a stage in my life where I look at people who would be good for my son or bad for my son. This thread has been very enlightening in both the OP and responses. Which is why I have had meaningful and well thought out discussions with those who I enjoyed sharing thoughts with.


Are you suggesting I leave this thread, am posting in an inappropriate way, derailing or otherwise acting in an untoward manner? In other words I see you are still trying to provoke....

Wow so you are a typical parent. Congrats on that accomplishment.

Beyond you discovering how to be a parent, you are here to discuss his guilt. You've already stated as much that you do not trust him.nothing wrong with that if you do not, but that is not what people are doing are they. They are professing guilt with little to no proof.

I have discussed what I felt was germane to the topic.

 

[Plasmaball]

I have everything to do with this thread and discussed that which I felt interested me. We view things differently. I am at a stage in my life where I look at people who would be good for my son or bad for my son. This thread has been very enlightening in both the OP and responses. Which is why I have had meaningful and well thought out discussions with those who I enjoyed sharing thoughts with.


Are you suggesting I leave this thread, am posting in an inappropriate way, derailing or otherwise acting in an untoward manner? In other words I see you are still trying to provoke....

Wow so you are a typical parent. Congrats on that accomplishment.

Beyond you discovering how to be a parent, you are here to discuss his guilt. You've already stated as much that you do not trust him.nothing wrong with that if you do not, but that is not what people are doing are they. They are professing guilt with little to no proof.

I have discussed what I felt was germane to the topic.

good for you.

 

[tinydancer]

Yup, so upset was Mia that Mommy could not get Dylan to keep her story straight for the people from the hospital.

Nor could Mommy get Dylan to sound natural and not rehearsed for those people.
Despite her acting chops, Mommy was a crappy drama coach.

Yup, there is a child abuser in this sordid tale.

The Yale staff, the first professionals to see and hear Dylan live and uncensored, pointed to which parent
was the abuser.

And Dylan will still go off as if on cue any time Mommy's ex gets some positive publicity. Even 20+ years later!

Sick.

Regards from Rosie

Your allegation that Dylan has gone off every time Woody received accolades is a lie.

It's a lie. It's a lie. It's a lie. You're telling a whopper.

From every article I have read, Dylan's open letter was the first time she herself addressed her molestation by her father.

“I know it’s ‘he said, she said,’ ” Dylan told me. “But, to me, it’s black and white, because I was there.”

I asked her why she’s speaking out now. She said she wants to set the record straight and give courage to victims: “I was thinking, if I don’t speak out, I’ll regret it on my death bed.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/02/opinion/sunday/kristof-dylan-farrows-story.html?_r=0

 

[tinydancer]

Now from a child abuse professional.

A Child Abuse Investigator’s View of the Woody Allen/Dylan Farrow Case

Guest Contributor on February 04, 2014

by Patrick Perion

Patrick Perion is a child abuse investigator in Illinois. In this article he gives his professional opinion on the Woody Allen/Dylan Farrow abuse case. The author notes that this post may be triggering.

The subject of child abuse and in particular child sexual abuse, is not something that people like to talk about. Most people don’t like to even think about it. Unfortunately it is real, it is happening right now, and frankly it shouldn’t be ignored.

This weekends open letter from Dylan Farrow to her father Woody Allen, and Hollywood in general, about the sexual abuse she suffered at his hand, set off a firestorm.

It is frank, it is heartfelt and it is powerful. It may also be triggering for some people. If you haven’t read it, I recommend you do so.

Since the post went up yesterday there has been an outpouring of support for Ms. Farrow and condemnation of Woody Allen. There have also been numerous supporters of Allen asking for more “proof”.

Twitter and Facebook quickly rent down the middle by those survivors and their supporters, for whom Dylan’s accusations ring true, and those who either support Allen or want more evidence than just Farrow’s word.

Filmmaker and author Bob Weide, wrote a piece in the Daily Beast outlining questions, that might exonerate Allen. The questions Wiede asks seem logical and objective. They also illustrate how little the average person knows about the disclosure, investigation and prosecution of child sexual abuse.

As most of you know, I investigate child abuse for a living. I’ve been doing it for 20 years. I’ve done hundreds of sexual abuse cases with thousands of victims.

I’m a certified forensic interviewer, advanced forensic interviewer and trainer of the forensic interview techniques. It’s with this knowledge and training that I look at the Allen case.


A Botched Investigation

One of the first questions that people have had about the Allen case usually has something to do with Dylan’s disclosure.

In the original story in Vanity Fair in 1993 and in the follow up in November, Dylan’s appeared to garbled and contradictory.

She told the first doctor that she spoke to that Allen had touched her shoulder. The next day she disclosed a more descriptive account.

This often happens with the outcry of abuse. In the Allen case, Dylan should NEVER have been questioned by a doctor in a hospital room with her mom there. Unfortunately, it was 1993. Now children are interviewed in safe one-on-one settings, for the most part.

Doctors know that if a parent brings a child in for possible sexual abuse, they are to take the minimum amount of information they need for an exam and let the professionals do the interview.

Weide makes quite a point that the Investigative Team of 3 doctors who conducted a 6-month investigation concluded that no sexual molestation happened.

They claimed in part that Dylan was an “emotionally disturbed child whose story became fixed in her head” or that she was coached or both.

They outlined inconsistencies in Dylan’s statement about being touched on the vaginal area.

The idea of a team of 3 doctors interviewing a frightened 7 year old child individually or as a group over 6 months is reprehensible.

You getting this Rosie? Seriously are you getting what they put Dylan through?

There’s a reason we do one interview on tape. Asking Dylan to relive and retell the account of her abuse over and over again victimized her even further.

It’s not shocking that she said first she wasn’t touched, then she was, then she wasn’t.

Children who are repeatedly interviewed about the same incident often change an answer to please the person doing the interview.

We see this in custody cases all the time. When the kids at mom’s they say they hate dad, when they’re at dad’s vice versa.

It’s not a giant leap to think that Dylan was confused and scared by these three adult men asking her questions about her private parts for SIX MONTHS.

It’s inconceivable to anyone who practices social work today. It’s entirely possible that she was “emotionally” disturbed because of the way she was dealt with by people who should have known better.

A Child Abuse Investigator's View of the Woody Allen/Dylan Farrow Case | The Daily Banter

Many people, including Weide point out that medical examinations were done and there was no evidence of trauma to the anus or the vagina.

This doesn’t rule out molestation. In fact it doesn’t even rule out penetration. The vagina heals remarkably fast and any doctor who knows how to conduct a sexual abuse exam of a child will tell you that.


Charming and Sneaky

Weide also seems to think that the fact that some of the abuse happened during the time when Allen had to be on his “best behavior” on visits precludes the possibility that he abused Dylan.

Again a common fallacy among those who don’t know a whit about how abusers work.

Abusers are charming. Especially when they are grooming the child. Much of what Dylan described like getting under the covers with Allen, or Allen making her suck his thumb are mere precursors to abuse which could have followed.

In fact, the visits at the Farrow home would be the perfect time for Allen to abuse Dylan for the very reason that people think it was the worst possible time. Nobody would expect Allen to do that while he was under intense scrutiny after his relationship with Soon-Yi Previn became public.

Weide also casts doubt on Allen being able to do it in a house full of children and nannies. Again abusers are good at what they do, and sexual abusers are the best. Mikki Kendall, AKA @Karnythia, a feminist, mother and author pointed out on Twitter, that only the sloppy or the stupid sexual abusers get caught.

 

[L.K.Eder]

^the retahded gossip-monger screeches "lie, lie, lie"

 

[thanatos144]

Why do some seem to always excuse abuse of young girls?

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[L.K.Eder]

why do some peoplez be fat and dumb

 

[thanatos144]

why do some peoplez be fat and dumb

I dont know .... Maybe you should ask your doctor why you are fat and dumb

 

[L.K.Eder]

why do some peoplez be fat and dumb

I dont know .... Maybe you should ask your doctor why you are fat and dumb

i already did. i did not like the answer and told him i wanted a second opinion.

he told me that, besides being fat and dumb, i also had no work ethics and should off myself.

fucking librul doctors.

 

[tinydancer]

^the retahded gossip-monger screeches "lie, lie, lie"

When you begin calling me names, I know you Allen Fans to the Death have lost.

Rosie is lying when she claims that Dylan has been out there for twenty years screeching away at Mia's behest.

Yes it's a lie.

Why don't you prove me wrong? By all means go for it. I back up everything I say. As compared to you Woody lovers who are just flapping your gums and ranting and raving with vitriolic comments blaming Mia Farrow for this sordid mess.

Give 'er. Prove me wrong.

 

[skye]

Dylan Farrow's Brother Moses Defends Woody Allen


"Of course Woody did not molest my sister," says Moses, who is estranged from Farrow and many of his siblings and is close to Allen and Soon-Yi. "She loved him and looked forward to seeing him when he would visit. She never hid from him until our mother succeeded in creating the atmosphere of fear and hate towards him. The day in question, there were six or seven of us in the house. We were all in public rooms and no one, not my father or sister, was off in any private spaces. My mother was conveniently out shopping. I don’t know if my sister really believes she was molested or is trying to please her mother. Pleasing my mother was very powerful motivation because to be on her wrong side was horrible."




Dylan Farrow's Brother Moses Defends Woody Allen - Scandals & Feuds, Dylan Farrow, Mia Farrow, Ronan Farrow, Woody Allen : People.com

 

[tinydancer]

Dylan Farrow's Brother Moses Defends Woody Allen


"Of course Woody did not molest my sister," says Moses, who is estranged from Farrow and many of his siblings and is close to Allen and Soon-Yi. "She loved him and looked forward to seeing him when he would visit. She never hid from him until our mother succeeded in creating the atmosphere of fear and hate towards him. The day in question, there were six or seven of us in the house. We were all in public rooms and no one, not my father or sister, was off in any private spaces. My mother was conveniently out shopping. I don’t know if my sister really believes she was molested or is trying to please her mother. Pleasing my mother was very powerful motivation because to be on her wrong side was horrible."





Dylan Farrow's Brother Moses Defends Woody Allen - Scandals & Feuds, Dylan Farrow, Mia Farrow, Ronan Farrow, Woody Allen : People.com

That link isn't working.

How would Moses know? Truly how would Moses know?

You have situations like the crazy dude who had those girls locked up for years, and the other children didn't know that Daddy had these three women

Ariel Castro. He held these women for over a decade and raped them and no one in the family knew.

ETA: I can give you a quizzillion examples where family members didn't have a clue what the perpetrator was doing. That's just a no brainer.

 

[boedicca]

I doubt Woody asked Moses to witness the action.

 

[skye]

link is working for me...^^^

 

[Plasmaball]

Dylan Farrow's Brother Moses Defends Woody Allen


"Of course Woody did not molest my sister," says Moses, who is estranged from Farrow and many of his siblings and is close to Allen and Soon-Yi. "She loved him and looked forward to seeing him when he would visit. She never hid from him until our mother succeeded in creating the atmosphere of fear and hate towards him. The day in question, there were six or seven of us in the house. We were all in public rooms and no one, not my father or sister, was off in any private spaces. My mother was conveniently out shopping. I don’t know if my sister really believes she was molested or is trying to please her mother. Pleasing my mother was very powerful motivation because to be on her wrong side was horrible."





Dylan Farrow's Brother Moses Defends Woody Allen - Scandals & Feuds, Dylan Farrow, Mia Farrow, Ronan Farrow, Woody Allen : People.com

That link isn't working.

How would Moses know? Truly how would Moses know?

You have situations like the crazy dude who had those girls locked up for years, and the other children didn't know that Daddy had these three women

Ariel Castro.

oh so one hearsay is legit and needs defending, but the other needs to be criticized.