Yepp, Trump is still a birther!!

[RKMBrown]

I wasn't busy... then I was busy. It comes and goes with the territory. I looked into this in detail many years back. I don't care to look into the one that was messed up again because it was messed up and as I stated there's no was no way to tell if the edits were done by the adobe software itself, or by some user. What was clear was that it had been edited. Editing can be done automatically by computer software in the processing of images. It's not necessarily malicious. Thus, my request to see a high resolution photo of the original document or to have a document expert review the document at the source. For once, I'm not trying to be an ASS I'm trying to point out what would be sufficient to clear up the so called "mystery." One person "saying" it's all good the document is legit don't worry about all these inconsistencies, well just not good enough for most people that give a shit about this country.

Pretty much anyone who actually gives a shit about this country- does not give a shit about how many layers an image of a birth certificate on the internet has.

The image is no legal document- the originals handled and viewed by reporters were legal documents. The legal statements by the State of Hawaii are legal documents. There have been 2 elections- the voters voted that this was a non-issue to them. Congress confirmed the elections twice- again a non-issue for them. Multiple secretaries of states- including for example the Secretary of State of Arizona- have accepted the legal documents from Hawaii and have no issue.

So everyone who matters has weighed in- everyone who gives a shit about this country- the ones that are left are those who do not give shit about this country- and would prefer to spend 7 years trying to find a reason that our legally elected President cannot possibly be President.

I understand your argument. Not sure why you feel the need to replace it. We are to believe this one person that provided the evidence without question. I don't trust it.

If you're going to ignore the issuing agency of any document, then no president has ever established their eligibility. Which begs the question, why are you obsessed with Obama while ignoring every other president who has ever lived who failed the same standard by your metric?

Gee. Tough one.

It does not "feel" right to me.

Your feelings are irrelevant. As the president's eligibility to be [president is a legal question. His 2008 COLB is prima facie evidence of his place of birth in any court of law. All legal requirements are met.

Your emotions, your willful ignorance of all evidence, your batshit conspiracy theories.....are all irrelevant. As we don't base anyone's eligibility to be president on any of them.

Obama's the POTUS not Bush. Bush's father was a well known AMERICAN POLITICIAN YA FOOL. DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SON OF AN AMERICAN HERO AND THE SON OF A FOREIGN SOCIALIST BIGAMIST?

I do understand the difference- apparently to you- if an American's father is not an American- you suddenly care about his eligibility.

At the time of Obama's birth only the Father could confer citizenship if born off American soil and the mother was underage, which she was. We know his mother visited her new husband's home in Kenya. We know the father was a bigamist. We know the grandmother mistakenly or correctly stated that she witnessed Obama's birth in Kenya.. Let's just say it's fishy in this case.. Do I have any proof? No. I'd just like to have it cleared up.. which could easily be done by having an expert examine the document. No? What do you have to be afraid of?

 

[Skylar]

If you're going to ignore the issuing agency of any document, then no president has ever established their eligibility. Which begs the question, why are you obsessed with Obama while ignoring every other president who has ever lived who failed the same standard by your metric?

Gee. Tough one.
Your feelings are irrelevant. As the president's eligibility to be [president is a legal question. His 2008 COLB is prima facie evidence of his place of birth in any court of law. All legal requirements are met.

Your emotions, your willful ignorance of all evidence, your batshit conspiracy theories.....are all irrelevant. As we don't base anyone's eligibility to be president on any of them.

Obama's the POTUS not Bush. Bush's father was a well known AMERICAN POLITICIAN YA FOOL. DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SON OF AN AMERICAN HERO AND THE SON OF A FOREIGN SOCIALIST BIGAMIST?

Per your standards, no birth certificate is valid. No issuing agency can be trusted. Thus, how do you know that Bush was ever president?

But you give Bush and every other white president a pass. While obsessing over the only black guy to ever hold the office. Gee, I wonder why.

Sorry, but how you 'feel' means jack shit. As eligibility for the presidency is a legal question. And your emotions aren't a legal standard. But an excuse for one.

White? This has nothing to do with skin color.

Then its just a grand coincidence that you give every white president who failed your standard a pass......while obsessing exclusively about the only black one?

Obama's place of birth has been affirmed more completely than any president in history, with the State of Hawaii affirming his Hawaiian birth 6 times. In Press Releases, from the Republcian Governor, from the Republican appointed Director of the Department of Health (three times), from the Registrar of the State of Hawaii.

You ignore them all. Yet give every white president a complete pass when they don't have half the verification that Obama did.....and honestly try to convince us that race had nothing to do with it? Bullshit yourself if you'd like, but don't bother bullshiting us. If he were Barry O'Bama whose dad was from Dublin....

....we wouldn't be having the conversation.

The race card now? Sounds like you're getting desperate.

Laughing......Obama's enjoying his second term. Your ilk have lost every legal challenge you've ever made. Your failure is quite literally perfect.

I think you may be projecting.

 

[Syriusly]

If you're going to ignore the issuing agency of any document, then no president has ever established their eligibility. Which begs the question, why are you obsessed with Obama while ignoring every other president who has ever lived who failed the same standard by your metric?

Gee. Tough one.
Your feelings are irrelevant. As the president's eligibility to be [president is a legal question. His 2008 COLB is prima facie evidence of his place of birth in any court of law. All legal requirements are met.

Your emotions, your willful ignorance of all evidence, your batshit conspiracy theories.....are all irrelevant. As we don't base anyone's eligibility to be president on any of them.

Obama's the POTUS not Bush. Bush's father was a well known AMERICAN POLITICIAN YA FOOL. DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SON OF AN AMERICAN HERO AND THE SON OF A FOREIGN SOCIALIST BIGAMIST?

Per your standards, no birth certificate is valid. No issuing agency can be trusted. Thus, how do you know that Bush was ever president?

But you give Bush and every other white president a pass. While obsessing over the only black guy to ever hold the office. Gee, I wonder why.

Sorry, but how you 'feel' means jack shit. As eligibility for the presidency is a legal question. And your emotions aren't a legal standard. But an excuse for one.

White? This has nothing to do with skin color.

Then its just a grand coincidence that you give every white president who failed your standard a pass......while obsessing exclusively about the only black one?

Obama's place of birth has been affirmed more completely than any president in history, with the State of Hawaii affirming his Hawaiian birth 6 times. In Press Releases, from the Republcian Governor, from the Republican appointed Director of the Department of Health (three times), from the Registrar of the State of Hawaii.

You ignore them all. Yet give every white president a complete pass when they don't have half the verification that Obama did.....and honestly try to convince us that race had nothing to do with it? Bullshit yourself if you'd like, but don't bother bullshiting us. If he were Barry O'Bama whose dad was from Dublin....

....we wouldn't be having the conversation.

The race card now? Sounds like you're getting desperate.

Line up every President in American history and ask someone to see if they can visually pick out the one that Birthers demand the record of, and pretty much anyone could.

Not every Birther is a racist- but pretty much every racist here at USMB is a Birther- like Stevie the Racist.

 

[Syriusly]

If you're going to ignore the issuing agency of any document, then no president has ever established their eligibility. Which begs the question, why are you obsessed with Obama while ignoring every other president who has ever lived who failed the same standard by your metric?

Gee. Tough one.
Your feelings are irrelevant. As the president's eligibility to be [president is a legal question. His 2008 COLB is prima facie evidence of his place of birth in any court of law. All legal requirements are met.

Your emotions, your willful ignorance of all evidence, your batshit conspiracy theories.....are all irrelevant. As we don't base anyone's eligibility to be president on any of them.

Obama's the POTUS not Bush. Bush's father was a well known AMERICAN POLITICIAN YA FOOL. DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SON OF AN AMERICAN HERO AND THE SON OF A FOREIGN SOCIALIST BIGAMIST?

Per your standards, no birth certificate is valid. No issuing agency can be trusted. Thus, how do you know that Bush was ever president?

But you give Bush and every other white president a pass. While obsessing over the only black guy to ever hold the office. Gee, I wonder why.

Sorry, but how you 'feel' means jack shit. As eligibility for the presidency is a legal question. And your emotions aren't a legal standard. But an excuse for one.

White? This has nothing to do with skin color.

Then its just a grand coincidence that you give every white president who failed your standard a pass......while obsessing exclusively about the only black one?

Obama's place of birth has been affirmed more completely than any president in history, with the State of Hawaii affirming his Hawaiian birth 6 times. In Press Releases, from the Republcian Governor, from the Republican appointed Director of the Department of Health (three times), from the Registrar of the State of Hawaii.

You ignore them all. Yet give every white president a complete pass when they don't have half the verification that Obama did.....and honestly try to convince us that race had nothing to do with it? Bullshit yourself if you'd like, but don't bother bullshiting us. If he were Barry O'Bama whose dad was from Dublin....

....we wouldn't be having the conversation.

I don't ignore any of it. For the people I trust, I believe in trust but verify. For the people I don't trust, like people who burn and destroy public property that is evidence of wrong doing, I believe in verify, verify, verify. We're talking about a guy who had IRS officials destroy IRS email documents and computer hardware to hide wrong doing. We're taking about a guy who had his secretary of state destroy official email servers and email documents to hide wrong doing. We are talking about a guy who has a very questionable history past and present. We are not talking about a forthright person, are we?

And you have the verification- and you choose not to believe the verification.

Remember- this has never been about believing Barack Obama about his place of birth- from the beginning Birthers have refused to believe the State of Hawaii.

 

[RKMBrown]

I wasn't busy... then I was busy. It comes and goes with the territory. I looked into this in detail many years back. I don't care to look into the one that was messed up again because it was messed up and as I stated there's no was no way to tell if the edits were done by the adobe software itself, or by some user. What was clear was that it had been edited. Editing can be done automatically by computer software in the processing of images. It's not necessarily malicious. Thus, my request to see a high resolution photo of the original document or to have a document expert review the document at the source. For once, I'm not trying to be an ASS I'm trying to point out what would be sufficient to clear up the so called "mystery." One person "saying" it's all good the document is legit don't worry about all these inconsistencies, well just not good enough for most people that give a shit about this country.

Pretty much anyone who actually gives a shit about this country- does not give a shit about how many layers an image of a birth certificate on the internet has.

The image is no legal document- the originals handled and viewed by reporters were legal documents. The legal statements by the State of Hawaii are legal documents. There have been 2 elections- the voters voted that this was a non-issue to them. Congress confirmed the elections twice- again a non-issue for them. Multiple secretaries of states- including for example the Secretary of State of Arizona- have accepted the legal documents from Hawaii and have no issue.

So everyone who matters has weighed in- everyone who gives a shit about this country- the ones that are left are those who do not give shit about this country- and would prefer to spend 7 years trying to find a reason that our legally elected President cannot possibly be President.

I understand your argument. Not sure why you feel the need to replace it. We are to believe this one person that provided the evidence without question. I don't trust it. It does not "feel" right to me. Yes my view may be colored by red tinted glasses. I can't get over the fact that we hired a piece of shit drug dealer, who's parents were completely absent, who's father worked for a foriegn govenrment that is "african socialist." Who's grand parents were communist, who had a mentor that is a flaming communist, who's friends included a domestic terrorist, and a jailed politician from Chicago, ..... the hits just keep coming. Yet we are to believe that there's nothing wrong with the background of this guy that you democrats brought to DC.

Okay once again- since you feel obligated for some reason to continue to lie
a) we hired a piece of shit drug dealer
No one hired Barack Obama as President- the voters- using the process defined in our Constitution- selected him as President. You had your opportunity to cast your vote like everyone else- and you can believe any bullshit you want about him being a drug dealer.
b) who's parents were completely absent
Again- apparently the voters didn't care about Obama's parents. His father abandoned him- like many other Americans have experienced- his mother and Obama were together until he was 11 years old- when she sent him back to Hawaii to continue his education in America- like many expat Americans do. Why that is a bug up your ass- I don't need to know- and I don't care- but totally unrelated to his birth certificate- and tends to indicate that your 'concern' about Obama's BC is just a desire for dirt.
c) who's father worked for a foriegn govenrment that is "african socialist."
Which part bothers you- worked for a foreign government? African? or Socialist? Why would any of that bother you- especially since President Obama met him exactly 1 time after he was an infant?
d) Who's grand parents were communist,
Just another Birther cowardly slander of dead people. His maternal grandfather was a WW2 veteran who grew up in the Midwest and was in sales all of his life. His maternal grandmother worked in the munitions industry during WW2, and worked her way up to be the vice President of a bank. No record of them ever being 'communists'- and their lives were solidly the American dream.
e) who had a mentor that is a flaming communist
Yeah- Obama had a childhood friend who was a communist- which is perfectly legal in the United States- and the relationship was reported- and guess what- the voters didn't care.
f) who's friends included a domestic terrorist,
Obama's relationship with Bill Ayers again was widely reported- and why does that make you interested in Obama's BC?

I am not asking you to 'believe' in 1 person- frankly I don't give a damn what you believe. I am pointing out that the issue has been resolved to everyone who matters.

I am pointing out that no rational person would believe that a Republican Director of Health, a Democratic Director of Health and the Registrar of Records of Hawaii would all conspire (and face almost certain prosecution and jail time) to defraud the American public.

I am pointing out that all Birthers have ever had are lies, speculation and innuendo. EVER.

I agree with most of your statements... however given that Obama has been well established to be a pathological liar, I would ask why it is that you feel compelled to believe anything the piece of shit or his handlers say.

And what the hell does that have to do with his eligiblity?

I don't have to believe President Obama when it comes to his place of birth- I have seen the evidence.

What I have observed over the last 7 years is that Birthers rely upon lies, speculation and innuendo

I'm not relying on anything. I just want to have it cleared up. I don't have blind faith for Obama or his heritage or his handlers or the people that lifted him to the POTUS position in record time.

 

[RKMBrown]

Obama's the POTUS not Bush. Bush's father was a well known AMERICAN POLITICIAN YA FOOL. DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SON OF AN AMERICAN HERO AND THE SON OF A FOREIGN SOCIALIST BIGAMIST?

Per your standards, no birth certificate is valid. No issuing agency can be trusted. Thus, how do you know that Bush was ever president?

But you give Bush and every other white president a pass. While obsessing over the only black guy to ever hold the office. Gee, I wonder why.

Sorry, but how you 'feel' means jack shit. As eligibility for the presidency is a legal question. And your emotions aren't a legal standard. But an excuse for one.

White? This has nothing to do with skin color.

Then its just a grand coincidence that you give every white president who failed your standard a pass......while obsessing exclusively about the only black one?

Obama's place of birth has been affirmed more completely than any president in history, with the State of Hawaii affirming his Hawaiian birth 6 times. In Press Releases, from the Republcian Governor, from the Republican appointed Director of the Department of Health (three times), from the Registrar of the State of Hawaii.

You ignore them all. Yet give every white president a complete pass when they don't have half the verification that Obama did.....and honestly try to convince us that race had nothing to do with it? Bullshit yourself if you'd like, but don't bother bullshiting us. If he were Barry O'Bama whose dad was from Dublin....

....we wouldn't be having the conversation.

I don't ignore any of it. For the people I trust, I believe in trust but verify. For the people I don't trust, like people who burn and destroy public property that is evidence of wrong doing, I believe in verify, verify, verify. We're talking about a guy who had IRS officials destroy IRS email documents and computer hardware to hide wrong doing. We're taking about a guy who had his secretary of state destroy official email servers and email documents to hide wrong doing. We are talking about a guy who has a very questionable history past and present. We are not talking about a forthright person, are we?

And you have the verification- and you choose not to believe the verification.

Remember- this has never been about believing Barack Obama about his place of birth- from the beginning Birthers have refused to believe the State of Hawaii.

I believe that the verification was provided. I don't trust it. The same as I don't trust the IRS officials who said the destruction of public servers and backups and and and and were all on accident. The same as I did not trust the lie about Reagan and the guns for hostages debacle. The same as I knew Obama was lying about nearly everything he said on Obama Care.

 

[Skylar]

Pretty much anyone who actually gives a shit about this country- does not give a shit about how many layers an image of a birth certificate on the internet has.

The image is no legal document- the originals handled and viewed by reporters were legal documents. The legal statements by the State of Hawaii are legal documents. There have been 2 elections- the voters voted that this was a non-issue to them. Congress confirmed the elections twice- again a non-issue for them. Multiple secretaries of states- including for example the Secretary of State of Arizona- have accepted the legal documents from Hawaii and have no issue.

So everyone who matters has weighed in- everyone who gives a shit about this country- the ones that are left are those who do not give shit about this country- and would prefer to spend 7 years trying to find a reason that our legally elected President cannot possibly be President.

I understand your argument. Not sure why you feel the need to replace it. We are to believe this one person that provided the evidence without question. I don't trust it.

If you're going to ignore the issuing agency of any document, then no president has ever established their eligibility. Which begs the question, why are you obsessed with Obama while ignoring every other president who has ever lived who failed the same standard by your metric?

Gee. Tough one.

It does not "feel" right to me.

Your feelings are irrelevant. As the president's eligibility to be [president is a legal question. His 2008 COLB is prima facie evidence of his place of birth in any court of law. All legal requirements are met.

Your emotions, your willful ignorance of all evidence, your batshit conspiracy theories.....are all irrelevant. As we don't base anyone's eligibility to be president on any of them.

Obama's the POTUS not Bush. Bush's father was a well known AMERICAN POLITICIAN YA FOOL. DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SON OF AN AMERICAN HERO AND THE SON OF A FOREIGN SOCIALIST BIGAMIST?

I do understand the difference- apparently to you- if an American's father is not an American- you suddenly care about his eligibility.

At the time of Obama's birth only the Father could confer citizenship if born off American soil and the mother was underage, which she was. We know his mother visited her new husband's home in Kenya.

No, we don't. You assume it.....and you can't back the claim with anything. There's no evidence that Obama's mother ever visited Kenya.

You simply don't know what you're talking about.

We know the father was a bigamist. We know the grandmother mistakenly or correctly stated that she witnessed Obama's birth in Kenya.

She stated about a half dozen times in that conversation that Obama was born in Hawaii. It was the Birther caller who kept saying that she was there for Obama's birth.

We have the transcript right here. Would you care to listen to it? You'll quite literally have to ignore Obama's grandmother say he was born in Hawaii.....about 6 times.

But we both know you will. As ignoring overwhelming evidence is what Birthers do.

 

[Syriusly]

Pretty much anyone who actually gives a shit about this country- does not give a shit about how many layers an image of a birth certificate on the internet has.

The image is no legal document- the originals handled and viewed by reporters were legal documents. The legal statements by the State of Hawaii are legal documents. There have been 2 elections- the voters voted that this was a non-issue to them. Congress confirmed the elections twice- again a non-issue for them. Multiple secretaries of states- including for example the Secretary of State of Arizona- have accepted the legal documents from Hawaii and have no issue.

So everyone who matters has weighed in- everyone who gives a shit about this country- the ones that are left are those who do not give shit about this country- and would prefer to spend 7 years trying to find a reason that our legally elected President cannot possibly be President.

I understand your argument. Not sure why you feel the need to replace it. We are to believe this one person that provided the evidence without question. I don't trust it.

If you're going to ignore the issuing agency of any document, then no president has ever established their eligibility. Which begs the question, why are you obsessed with Obama while ignoring every other president who has ever lived who failed the same standard by your metric?

Gee. Tough one.

It does not "feel" right to me.

Your feelings are irrelevant. As the president's eligibility to be [president is a legal question. His 2008 COLB is prima facie evidence of his place of birth in any court of law. All legal requirements are met.

Your emotions, your willful ignorance of all evidence, your batshit conspiracy theories.....are all irrelevant. As we don't base anyone's eligibility to be president on any of them.

Obama's the POTUS not Bush. Bush's father was a well known AMERICAN POLITICIAN YA FOOL. DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SON OF AN AMERICAN HERO AND THE SON OF A FOREIGN SOCIALIST BIGAMIST?

I do understand the difference- apparently to you- if an American's father is not an American- you suddenly care about his eligibility.

At the time of Obama's birth only the Father could confer citizenship if born off American soil and the mother was underage, which she was. We know his mother visited her new husband's home in Kenya. We know the father was a bigamist. We know the grandmother mistakenly or correctly stated that she witnessed Obama's birth in Kenya.. Let's just say it's fishy in this case.. Do I have any proof? No. I'd just like to have it cleared up.. which could easily be done by having an expert examine the document. No? What do you have to be afraid of?

Okay lets go with more Birther batshit craziness.
1) We know his mother visited her new husband's home in Kenya.
You do? How? Give us the citation. Because I say that is a complete falsehood- which would be a lie if you deliberately knew that claim cannot be supported- prove you are not lying.
2) We know the father was a bigamist.
IF his father was previously married when he married Ann Dunham, then their marriage would be void in the United States- which would mean that citizenship would automatically revert to the mother- regardless of her age.
3) We know the grandmother mistakenly or correctly stated that she witnessed Obama's birth in Kenya..
We know nothing of the sort. His maternal grandmother said no such thing. His paternal grandmother said no such thing. His paternal step grandmother said that she was in Kenya when Barack Obama Jr. was born in Hawaii.

There is no evidence to support the claim that Obama was born anywhere other than Hawaii. All of the evidence- legal evidence- evidence that could be used in any court- shows he was born in Hawaii.

So of course you don't believe it.

 

[Skylar]

Per your standards, no birth certificate is valid. No issuing agency can be trusted. Thus, how do you know that Bush was ever president?

But you give Bush and every other white president a pass. While obsessing over the only black guy to ever hold the office. Gee, I wonder why.

Sorry, but how you 'feel' means jack shit. As eligibility for the presidency is a legal question. And your emotions aren't a legal standard. But an excuse for one.

White? This has nothing to do with skin color.

Then its just a grand coincidence that you give every white president who failed your standard a pass......while obsessing exclusively about the only black one?

Obama's place of birth has been affirmed more completely than any president in history, with the State of Hawaii affirming his Hawaiian birth 6 times. In Press Releases, from the Republcian Governor, from the Republican appointed Director of the Department of Health (three times), from the Registrar of the State of Hawaii.

You ignore them all. Yet give every white president a complete pass when they don't have half the verification that Obama did.....and honestly try to convince us that race had nothing to do with it? Bullshit yourself if you'd like, but don't bother bullshiting us. If he were Barry O'Bama whose dad was from Dublin....

....we wouldn't be having the conversation.

I don't ignore any of it. For the people I trust, I believe in trust but verify. For the people I don't trust, like people who burn and destroy public property that is evidence of wrong doing, I believe in verify, verify, verify. We're talking about a guy who had IRS officials destroy IRS email documents and computer hardware to hide wrong doing. We're taking about a guy who had his secretary of state destroy official email servers and email documents to hide wrong doing. We are talking about a guy who has a very questionable history past and present. We are not talking about a forthright person, are we?

And you have the verification- and you choose not to believe the verification.

Remember- this has never been about believing Barack Obama about his place of birth- from the beginning Birthers have refused to believe the State of Hawaii.

I believe that the verification was provided. I don't trust it.

Then no president has ever verified their eligibility according to you.

 

[Syriusly]

Per your standards, no birth certificate is valid. No issuing agency can be trusted. Thus, how do you know that Bush was ever president?

But you give Bush and every other white president a pass. While obsessing over the only black guy to ever hold the office. Gee, I wonder why.

Sorry, but how you 'feel' means jack shit. As eligibility for the presidency is a legal question. And your emotions aren't a legal standard. But an excuse for one.

White? This has nothing to do with skin color.

Then its just a grand coincidence that you give every white president who failed your standard a pass......while obsessing exclusively about the only black one?

Obama's place of birth has been affirmed more completely than any president in history, with the State of Hawaii affirming his Hawaiian birth 6 times. In Press Releases, from the Republcian Governor, from the Republican appointed Director of the Department of Health (three times), from the Registrar of the State of Hawaii.

You ignore them all. Yet give every white president a complete pass when they don't have half the verification that Obama did.....and honestly try to convince us that race had nothing to do with it? Bullshit yourself if you'd like, but don't bother bullshiting us. If he were Barry O'Bama whose dad was from Dublin....

....we wouldn't be having the conversation.

I don't ignore any of it. For the people I trust, I believe in trust but verify. For the people I don't trust, like people who burn and destroy public property that is evidence of wrong doing, I believe in verify, verify, verify. We're talking about a guy who had IRS officials destroy IRS email documents and computer hardware to hide wrong doing. We're taking about a guy who had his secretary of state destroy official email servers and email documents to hide wrong doing. We are talking about a guy who has a very questionable history past and present. We are not talking about a forthright person, are we?

And you have the verification- and you choose not to believe the verification.

Remember- this has never been about believing Barack Obama about his place of birth- from the beginning Birthers have refused to believe the State of Hawaii.

I believe that the verification was provided. I don't trust it. .

Absolutely your right to believe any Konspiracy theory you want.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Funny how once wasn't enough. It's as if they knew their credibility is dubious.

One was the Secretary of State of Arizona. One was for a court case in a different State.

And notice: you ignore both. Birthers have no need for evidence. Thankfully, the law does.

You're ignoring quite a bit of evidence too, so GFY.

I ignore empty innuendo and baseless speculation backed by jack shit. Which is all you've ever provided.

While Obama's eligibilty to be president has been affirmed more thoroughly than any president's in our history. With the state in which he was born in affirming his birth no less than half a dozen times.

Oh, now it's half a dozen times?

This thread is about the fact that politicians lie and when their lies aren't believed, they repeat them over and over. So citing another lying politician doesn't lay the controversy to rest.

Politicians do lie.

But he was not talking about politicians- his place of birth was confirmed by the Republican appointed Director of Health of Hawaii, and the Democratic appointed Director of Health of Hawaii and the Registrar of Records- the highest civil servant responsible for Hawaiian records.

Not a politician among them.

I was talking to Skylar who cited the governor of Hawaii. Do try to pay attention.

 

[Syriusly]

White? This has nothing to do with skin color.

Then its just a grand coincidence that you give every white president who failed your standard a pass......while obsessing exclusively about the only black one?

Obama's place of birth has been affirmed more completely than any president in history, with the State of Hawaii affirming his Hawaiian birth 6 times. In Press Releases, from the Republcian Governor, from the Republican appointed Director of the Department of Health (three times), from the Registrar of the State of Hawaii.

You ignore them all. Yet give every white president a complete pass when they don't have half the verification that Obama did.....and honestly try to convince us that race had nothing to do with it? Bullshit yourself if you'd like, but don't bother bullshiting us. If he were Barry O'Bama whose dad was from Dublin....

....we wouldn't be having the conversation.

I don't ignore any of it. For the people I trust, I believe in trust but verify. For the people I don't trust, like people who burn and destroy public property that is evidence of wrong doing, I believe in verify, verify, verify. We're talking about a guy who had IRS officials destroy IRS email documents and computer hardware to hide wrong doing. We're taking about a guy who had his secretary of state destroy official email servers and email documents to hide wrong doing. We are talking about a guy who has a very questionable history past and present. We are not talking about a forthright person, are we?

And you have the verification- and you choose not to believe the verification.

Remember- this has never been about believing Barack Obama about his place of birth- from the beginning Birthers have refused to believe the State of Hawaii.

I believe that the verification was provided. I don't trust it.

Then no president has ever verified their eligibility according to you.

And we know that no Birther will ever ask for verification for any other candidate.

Because they sure didn't ask for verification of Romney's eligiblity.

Or demand his college records.

Or any of the other stupid crap they have demanded of this- and only this President and candidate.

 

[Skylar]

Hawaii Dept Of Health chief Chiyome Fukino has never authenticated the 2008 image of Obama's colb that was placed on the Daily Kos website.

Hawaii Dept Of Health chief Chiyome Fukino has verified that Obama was born in Hawaii.

"I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."

Hawaii Obama Birth Certificate is Real - ABC News

And the State of Hawaii issued a press release that they issued Obama a COLB in 2007.

Alvin Onaka affirms that the information on the image of Obama's LFBC matches their original records. Twice. And the LFBC matches the COLB exactly.

You ignore it all. So what? Just because you close your eyes doesn't mean the world disappears.

 

[Syriusly]

One was the Secretary of State of Arizona. One was for a court case in a different State.

And notice: you ignore both. Birthers have no need for evidence. Thankfully, the law does.

You're ignoring quite a bit of evidence too, so GFY.

I ignore empty innuendo and baseless speculation backed by jack shit. Which is all you've ever provided.

While Obama's eligibilty to be president has been affirmed more thoroughly than any president's in our history. With the state in which he was born in affirming his birth no less than half a dozen times.

Oh, now it's half a dozen times?

This thread is about the fact that politicians lie and when their lies aren't believed, they repeat them over and over. So citing another lying politician doesn't lay the controversy to rest.

Politicians do lie.

But he was not talking about politicians- his place of birth was confirmed by the Republican appointed Director of Health of Hawaii, and the Democratic appointed Director of Health of Hawaii and the Registrar of Records- the highest civil servant responsible for Hawaiian records.

Not a politician among them.

I was talking to Skylar who cited the governor of Hawaii. Do try to pay attention.

Skylar cited the Republican governor of Hawaii- and the Directors of Health of Hawaii and the Registrar of Records of Hawaii.

Obama's place of birth has been affirmed more completely than any president in history, with the State of Hawaii affirming his Hawaiian birth 6 times. In Press Releases, from the Republcian Governor, from the Republican appointed Director of the Department of Health (three times), from the Registrar of the State of Hawaii.

So why do you think all of them were lying?

Tell us your theory on why they would risk criminal prosecution for fraud and lie?

 

[Skylar]

One was the Secretary of State of Arizona. One was for a court case in a different State.

And notice: you ignore both. Birthers have no need for evidence. Thankfully, the law does.

You're ignoring quite a bit of evidence too, so GFY.

I ignore empty innuendo and baseless speculation backed by jack shit. Which is all you've ever provided.

While Obama's eligibilty to be president has been affirmed more thoroughly than any president's in our history. With the state in which he was born in affirming his birth no less than half a dozen times.

Oh, now it's half a dozen times?

This thread is about the fact that politicians lie and when their lies aren't believed, they repeat them over and over. So citing another lying politician doesn't lay the controversy to rest.

Politicians do lie.

But he was not talking about politicians- his place of birth was confirmed by the Republican appointed Director of Health of Hawaii, and the Democratic appointed Director of Health of Hawaii and the Registrar of Records- the highest civil servant responsible for Hawaiian records.

Not a politician among them.

I was talking to Skylar who cited the governor of Hawaii. Do try to pay attention.

If you have evidence that Republican governor Linda Lingle lied about Obama's birth certificate, along with Director of the Department of Health Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Department of of Health Loretta Fuddy, and Registrar of the State of Hawaii Alvin Onaka .....

......present it.

But we both know you've got jack shit. Which is why you and your ilk are laughing stocks. And should be.

 

[RKMBrown]

I understand your argument. Not sure why you feel the need to replace it. We are to believe this one person that provided the evidence without question. I don't trust it.

If you're going to ignore the issuing agency of any document, then no president has ever established their eligibility. Which begs the question, why are you obsessed with Obama while ignoring every other president who has ever lived who failed the same standard by your metric?

Gee. Tough one.

It does not "feel" right to me.

Your feelings are irrelevant. As the president's eligibility to be [president is a legal question. His 2008 COLB is prima facie evidence of his place of birth in any court of law. All legal requirements are met.

Your emotions, your willful ignorance of all evidence, your batshit conspiracy theories.....are all irrelevant. As we don't base anyone's eligibility to be president on any of them.

Obama's the POTUS not Bush. Bush's father was a well known AMERICAN POLITICIAN YA FOOL. DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SON OF AN AMERICAN HERO AND THE SON OF A FOREIGN SOCIALIST BIGAMIST?

I do understand the difference- apparently to you- if an American's father is not an American- you suddenly care about his eligibility.

At the time of Obama's birth only the Father could confer citizenship if born off American soil and the mother was underage, which she was. We know his mother visited her new husband's home in Kenya.

No, we don't. You assume it.....and you can't back the claim with anything. There's no evidence that Obama's mother ever visited Kenya.

You simply don't know what you're talking about.

We know the father was a bigamist. We know the grandmother mistakenly or correctly stated that she witnessed Obama's birth in Kenya.

She stated about a half dozen times in that conversation that Obama was born in Hawaii. It was the Birther caller who kept saying that she was there for Obama's birth.

We have the transcript right here. Would you care to listen to it? You'll quite literally have to ignore Obama's grandmother say he was born in Hawaii.....about 6 times.

But we both know you will. As ignoring overwhelming evidence is what Birthers do.

Mom never went to Kenya? Ok, thanks. My bad. Have we looked at her passport records to verify that?
Yes, I understand that Obama's grandma corrected her statement. I suppose she misspoke or was confused in the translation.
Yes, I suppose Obama's wife merely meant Obama is Kenyan from the perspective of heritage.

So then it won't hurt to have someone examine his mom's passport records then will it? Seems like that would be an easy way to clear it up. If she never left Hawaii, all this discussion is moot.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Obama's the POTUS not Bush. Bush's father was a well known AMERICAN POLITICIAN YA FOOL. DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SON OF AN AMERICAN HERO AND THE SON OF A FOREIGN SOCIALIST BIGAMIST?

Per your standards, no birth certificate is valid. No issuing agency can be trusted. Thus, how do you know that Bush was ever president?

But you give Bush and every other white president a pass. While obsessing over the only black guy to ever hold the office. Gee, I wonder why.

Sorry, but how you 'feel' means jack shit. As eligibility for the presidency is a legal question. And your emotions aren't a legal standard. But an excuse for one.

White? This has nothing to do with skin color.

Then its just a grand coincidence that you give every white president who failed your standard a pass......while obsessing exclusively about the only black one?

Obama's place of birth has been affirmed more completely than any president in history, with the State of Hawaii affirming his Hawaiian birth 6 times. In Press Releases, from the Republcian Governor, from the Republican appointed Director of the Department of Health (three times), from the Registrar of the State of Hawaii.

You ignore them all. Yet give every white president a complete pass when they don't have half the verification that Obama did.....and honestly try to convince us that race had nothing to do with it? Bullshit yourself if you'd like, but don't bother bullshiting us. If he were Barry O'Bama whose dad was from Dublin....

....we wouldn't be having the conversation.

The race card now? Sounds like you're getting desperate.

Line up every President in American history and ask someone to see if they can visually pick out the one that Birthers demand the record of, and pretty much anyone could.

Not every Birther is a racist- but pretty much every racist here at USMB is a Birther- like Stevie the Racist.

No doubt McGarrett is racist and a disgusting one, but that doesn't make him wrong.

And your statement makes no sense. What about Leftist racists here like Ass-lips? Is he a birther?

 

[Syriusly]

If you're going to ignore the issuing agency of any document, then no president has ever established their eligibility. Which begs the question, why are you obsessed with Obama while ignoring every other president who has ever lived who failed the same standard by your metric?

Gee. Tough one.
Your feelings are irrelevant. As the president's eligibility to be [president is a legal question. His 2008 COLB is prima facie evidence of his place of birth in any court of law. All legal requirements are met.

Your emotions, your willful ignorance of all evidence, your batshit conspiracy theories.....are all irrelevant. As we don't base anyone's eligibility to be president on any of them.

Obama's the POTUS not Bush. Bush's father was a well known AMERICAN POLITICIAN YA FOOL. DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SON OF AN AMERICAN HERO AND THE SON OF A FOREIGN SOCIALIST BIGAMIST?

I do understand the difference- apparently to you- if an American's father is not an American- you suddenly care about his eligibility.

At the time of Obama's birth only the Father could confer citizenship if born off American soil and the mother was underage, which she was. We know his mother visited her new husband's home in Kenya.

No, we don't. You assume it.....and you can't back the claim with anything. There's no evidence that Obama's mother ever visited Kenya.

You simply don't know what you're talking about.

We know the father was a bigamist. We know the grandmother mistakenly or correctly stated that she witnessed Obama's birth in Kenya.

She stated about a half dozen times in that conversation that Obama was born in Hawaii. It was the Birther caller who kept saying that she was there for Obama's birth.

We have the transcript right here. Would you care to listen to it? You'll quite literally have to ignore Obama's grandmother say he was born in Hawaii.....about 6 times.

But we both know you will. As ignoring overwhelming evidence is what Birthers do.

Mom never went to Kenya? Ok, thanks. My bad. Have we looked at her passport records to verify that?
Yes, I understand that Obama's grandma corrected her statement. I suppose she misspoke or was confused in the translation.
Yes, I suppose Obama's wife merely meant Obama is Kenyan from the perspective of heritage.

'my bad'

You said 'we know she went to Kenya' - now you want us to prove that she didn't?

Did you:
a) pull the idea that his mother went to Kenya out of your ass? or
b) just believe some statement that some Birther told you- and believed it without any verification?

Funny thing is- you appear to believe anything a Birther tells you without any verification.

 

[Skylar]

If you're going to ignore the issuing agency of any document, then no president has ever established their eligibility. Which begs the question, why are you obsessed with Obama while ignoring every other president who has ever lived who failed the same standard by your metric?

Gee. Tough one.
Your feelings are irrelevant. As the president's eligibility to be [president is a legal question. His 2008 COLB is prima facie evidence of his place of birth in any court of law. All legal requirements are met.

Your emotions, your willful ignorance of all evidence, your batshit conspiracy theories.....are all irrelevant. As we don't base anyone's eligibility to be president on any of them.

Obama's the POTUS not Bush. Bush's father was a well known AMERICAN POLITICIAN YA FOOL. DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SON OF AN AMERICAN HERO AND THE SON OF A FOREIGN SOCIALIST BIGAMIST?

I do understand the difference- apparently to you- if an American's father is not an American- you suddenly care about his eligibility.

At the time of Obama's birth only the Father could confer citizenship if born off American soil and the mother was underage, which she was. We know his mother visited her new husband's home in Kenya.

No, we don't. You assume it.....and you can't back the claim with anything. There's no evidence that Obama's mother ever visited Kenya.

You simply don't know what you're talking about.

We know the father was a bigamist. We know the grandmother mistakenly or correctly stated that she witnessed Obama's birth in Kenya.

She stated about a half dozen times in that conversation that Obama was born in Hawaii. It was the Birther caller who kept saying that she was there for Obama's birth.

We have the transcript right here. Would you care to listen to it? You'll quite literally have to ignore Obama's grandmother say he was born in Hawaii.....about 6 times.

But we both know you will. As ignoring overwhelming evidence is what Birthers do.

Have we looked at her passport records to verify that?

There's no record of her ever going to Kenya. Of any kind. No plane ticket, no passport stamp, no account from anyone, nothing. She was 18 years old when she had Obama, a year out of high school. Sneaking through customs like a 9 month pregnant James Bond wasn't in the cards.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

If you're going to ignore the issuing agency of any document, then no president has ever established their eligibility. Which begs the question, why are you obsessed with Obama while ignoring every other president who has ever lived who failed the same standard by your metric?

Gee. Tough one.
Your feelings are irrelevant. As the president's eligibility to be [president is a legal question. His 2008 COLB is prima facie evidence of his place of birth in any court of law. All legal requirements are met.

Your emotions, your willful ignorance of all evidence, your batshit conspiracy theories.....are all irrelevant. As we don't base anyone's eligibility to be president on any of them.

Obama's the POTUS not Bush. Bush's father was a well known AMERICAN POLITICIAN YA FOOL. DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SON OF AN AMERICAN HERO AND THE SON OF A FOREIGN SOCIALIST BIGAMIST?

I do understand the difference- apparently to you- if an American's father is not an American- you suddenly care about his eligibility.

At the time of Obama's birth only the Father could confer citizenship if born off American soil and the mother was underage, which she was. We know his mother visited her new husband's home in Kenya.

No, we don't. You assume it.....and you can't back the claim with anything. There's no evidence that Obama's mother ever visited Kenya.

You simply don't know what you're talking about.

We know the father was a bigamist. We know the grandmother mistakenly or correctly stated that she witnessed Obama's birth in Kenya.

She stated about a half dozen times in that conversation that Obama was born in Hawaii. It was the Birther caller who kept saying that she was there for Obama's birth.

We have the transcript right here. Would you care to listen to it? You'll quite literally have to ignore Obama's grandmother say he was born in Hawaii.....about 6 times.

But we both know you will. As ignoring overwhelming evidence is what Birthers do.

Mom never went to Kenya? Ok, thanks. My bad. Have we looked at her passport records to verify that?
Yes, I understand that Obama's grandma corrected her statement. I suppose she misspoke or was confused in the translation.
Yes, I suppose Obama's wife merely meant Obama is Kenyan from the perspective of heritage.

So then it won't hurt to have someone examine his mom's passport records then will it? Seems like that would be an easy way to clear it up. If she never left Hawaii, all this discussion is moot.

Too bad we couldn't get more clarification from Obama's poor grandmother. She died mysteriously right before the election and a few days after Obama's visit. Kind of convenient timing methinks.