Yes..universal background checks for guns do not work...even left wing Joyce Foundation shows this

[2aguy]

The Joyce Foundation is as left wing as it gets and it is a gun control group as well....what did they find when they asked actual criminals in jail where they got their guns....guns they are not allowed to buy, own or carry?

The friends and family plan.

Study Finds That Chicago Criminals Get Guns From Friends, Family

A survey conducted by researchers from Duke University and the University of Chicago found that Chicago criminals obtained their firearms almost exclusively from friends and family.

The survey, funded by the Joyce Foundation and set to be published in the October edition of Preventive Medicine, consisted of interviews with 99 inmates at Chicago’s Cook County Jail who had illegally possessed a gun within six months of their incarceration. It found that most criminals only acquired guns from people they knew and trusted.

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The study found that due to fears of encountering undercover police officers attempting sting operations, a large majority of the criminals surveyed would only make illegal gun purchases from people they knew.

"In discussing the underground gun market in their neighborhoods, most respondents emphasized the importance of connections—prior relationships that could create sufficient trust to reassure the seller that the transaction would not create an unacceptable legal risk," the survey says. "

A majority of the primary guns (40 of the 48 for which we have detailed information on the source) were obtained from family, fellow gang members, or other social connections; the fraction is still higher for secondary guns."

"Only 2 of the 70 primary guns (3%) and no secondary guns were reported as purchased directly from a gun store."

The survey also found that criminals preferred handguns by a wide margin. Rifles, shotguns, and firearms that would be classified as "assault weapons" under Illinois law made up a small percentage of the guns criminals reported they had owned.

Additionally, the survey found that criminals kept their firearms for only a short period of time and had little knowledge of firearms.

The researchers noted that the findings may challenge what many believe about how criminals obtain firearms.

"Some of the pathways people are concerned about don’t seem so dominant," Harold Pollack, co-director of the University of Chicago’s Crime Lab and co-author of the survey, told the Chicago Sun-Times.
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"This proves what we have said all along," Alan Gottlieb, the founder of Second Amendment, told the Free Beacon. "Criminals don't go through background checks to acquire a gun. They don’t buy them at gun stores, gun shows, or on the Internet. They get them from family, friends, and fellow gang members. Gun control laws only affect lawful gun owners."

 

[JoeB131]

That's a good reason why we need to limit who can have guns. So the kind of person who would give their gun to Cousin Shifty doesn't get one, either.

Again- Rest of the world has figured this out.

 

[Skull Pilot]

That's a good reason why we need to limit who can have guns. So the kind of person who would give their gun to Cousin Shifty doesn't get one, either.

Again- Rest of the world has figured this out.

and how oh Great and Powerful Oz do you know what person is going to illegally give a gun to someone?

 

[JoeB131]

and how oh Great and Powerful Oz do you know what person is going to illegally give a gun to someone?

do a background check that includes associates. Easy peasy.

Of course, I have a better solution than that. If you gave a gun to someone, or sold a gun to someone, and they commit a crime with it, you are held criminally and civilly responsible.

That includes gun stores.

Betcha they'll start looking into who they sell guns to at that point.

 

[Skull Pilot]

and how oh Great and Powerful Oz do you know what person is going to illegally give a gun to someone?

do a background check that includes associates. Easy peasy.

Of course, I have a better solution than that. If you gave a gun to someone, or sold a gun to someone, and they commit a crime with it, you are held criminally and civilly responsible.

That includes gun stores.

Betcha they'll start looking into who they sell guns to at that point.

What associates? I have no associates that would not pass a background check and what right do you have to do a background check on anyone who is NOT buying a gun? How about we change the 4th amendment to allow the police to search the homes of the associates of all criminals?

And gun stores have to do background checks in almost every state. Every state I've looked at also has made it illegal to knowingly sell to a person ineligible to own a gun. Many states already require that all private gun sales be brokered by an FFL dealer.

 

[JoeB131]

What associates? I have no associates that would not pass a background check and what right do you have to do a background check on anyone who is NOT buying a gun? How about we change the 4th amendment to allow the police to search the homes of the associates of all criminals?

Um, we already do that. Judges will issue warrents if they think a bad guy is hiding at a friends house.

And gun stores have to do background checks in almost every state. Every state I've looked at also has made it illegal to knowingly sell to a person ineligible to own a gun. Many states already require that all private gun sales be brokered by an FFL dealer.

A lot of things are technically illegal and not enforced. This is the problem. It's not just that the National Rampage Association makes it too easy to get guns, it's that they've watered down enforcement of gun laws that do exist.

 

[Skull Pilot]

What associates? I have no associates that would not pass a background check and what right do you have to do a background check on anyone who is NOT buying a gun? How about we change the 4th amendment to allow the police to search the homes of the associates of all criminals?

Um, we already do that. Judges will issue warrents if they think a bad guy is hiding at a friends house.

And gun stores have to do background checks in almost every state. Every state I've looked at also has made it illegal to knowingly sell to a person ineligible to own a gun. Many states already require that all private gun sales be brokered by an FFL dealer.

A lot of things are technically illegal and not enforced. This is the problem. It's not just that the National Rampage Association makes it too easy to get guns, it's that they've watered down enforcement of gun laws that do exist.

So then you need a warrant to investigate a gun owners associates as well.

And the problem here is idiots like you who hold law abiding people responsible for the acts of others.

So why don't we just suspend the 4th and 5th amendments as well because according to your "logic" everyone is nothing more than a criminal in waiting.

We should chemically castrate all men because some men rape women
We should remove all children from their homes because some parents or family members abuse children

We should allow warrant less no knock searches of every residence because some people keep illegal drugs in their homes

After all everyone is a potential criminal, rapist, mass murderer in waiting

Even you

 

[August West]

Open up enough unlocked car doors and you`ll have a gun.

 

[Moonglow]

Gun checks don't work to deter gun crime, background checks still let criminals slip through the cracks, drug test doesn't prove a person doesn't do drugs..Just get rid of them all...

 

[RealDave]

The Joyce Foundation is as left wing as it gets and it is a gun control group as well....what did they find when they asked actual criminals in jail where they got their guns....guns they are not allowed to buy, own or carry?

The friends and family plan.

Study Finds That Chicago Criminals Get Guns From Friends, Family

A survey conducted by researchers from Duke University and the University of Chicago found that Chicago criminals obtained their firearms almost exclusively from friends and family.

The survey, funded by the Joyce Foundation and set to be published in the October edition of Preventive Medicine, consisted of interviews with 99 inmates at Chicago’s Cook County Jail who had illegally possessed a gun within six months of their incarceration. It found that most criminals only acquired guns from people they knew and trusted.

----

The study found that due to fears of encountering undercover police officers attempting sting operations, a large majority of the criminals surveyed would only make illegal gun purchases from people they knew.

"In discussing the underground gun market in their neighborhoods, most respondents emphasized the importance of connections—prior relationships that could create sufficient trust to reassure the seller that the transaction would not create an unacceptable legal risk," the survey says. "

A majority of the primary guns (40 of the 48 for which we have detailed information on the source) were obtained from family, fellow gang members, or other social connections; the fraction is still higher for secondary guns."

"Only 2 of the 70 primary guns (3%) and no secondary guns were reported as purchased directly from a gun store."

The survey also found that criminals preferred handguns by a wide margin. Rifles, shotguns, and firearms that would be classified as "assault weapons" under Illinois law made up a small percentage of the guns criminals reported they had owned.

Additionally, the survey found that criminals kept their firearms for only a short period of time and had little knowledge of firearms.

The researchers noted that the findings may challenge what many believe about how criminals obtain firearms.

"Some of the pathways people are concerned about don’t seem so dominant," Harold Pollack, co-director of the University of Chicago’s Crime Lab and co-author of the survey, told the Chicago Sun-Times.
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"This proves what we have said all along," Alan Gottlieb, the founder of Second Amendment, told the Free Beacon. "Criminals don't go through background checks to acquire a gun. They don’t buy them at gun stores, gun shows, or on the Internet. They get them from family, friends, and fellow gang members. Gun control laws only affect lawful gun owners."

Background checks forced them into illegal activity risking their own family members. The more you force criminals to use illegal sources, the more likely they get caught.

Evidently your solution is just hand out guns to everyone. Its been your & the NRA solution for everything.

 

[Skull Pilot]

The Joyce Foundation is as left wing as it gets and it is a gun control group as well....what did they find when they asked actual criminals in jail where they got their guns....guns they are not allowed to buy, own or carry?

The friends and family plan.

Study Finds That Chicago Criminals Get Guns From Friends, Family

A survey conducted by researchers from Duke University and the University of Chicago found that Chicago criminals obtained their firearms almost exclusively from friends and family.

The survey, funded by the Joyce Foundation and set to be published in the October edition of Preventive Medicine, consisted of interviews with 99 inmates at Chicago’s Cook County Jail who had illegally possessed a gun within six months of their incarceration. It found that most criminals only acquired guns from people they knew and trusted.

----

The study found that due to fears of encountering undercover police officers attempting sting operations, a large majority of the criminals surveyed would only make illegal gun purchases from people they knew.

"In discussing the underground gun market in their neighborhoods, most respondents emphasized the importance of connections—prior relationships that could create sufficient trust to reassure the seller that the transaction would not create an unacceptable legal risk," the survey says. "

A majority of the primary guns (40 of the 48 for which we have detailed information on the source) were obtained from family, fellow gang members, or other social connections; the fraction is still higher for secondary guns."

"Only 2 of the 70 primary guns (3%) and no secondary guns were reported as purchased directly from a gun store."

The survey also found that criminals preferred handguns by a wide margin. Rifles, shotguns, and firearms that would be classified as "assault weapons" under Illinois law made up a small percentage of the guns criminals reported they had owned.

Additionally, the survey found that criminals kept their firearms for only a short period of time and had little knowledge of firearms.

The researchers noted that the findings may challenge what many believe about how criminals obtain firearms.

"Some of the pathways people are concerned about don’t seem so dominant," Harold Pollack, co-director of the University of Chicago’s Crime Lab and co-author of the survey, told the Chicago Sun-Times.
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"This proves what we have said all along," Alan Gottlieb, the founder of Second Amendment, told the Free Beacon. "Criminals don't go through background checks to acquire a gun. They don’t buy them at gun stores, gun shows, or on the Internet. They get them from family, friends, and fellow gang members. Gun control laws only affect lawful gun owners."

Background checks forced them into illegal activity risking their own family members. The more you force criminals to use illegal sources, the more likely they get caught.

Evidently your solution is just hand out guns to everyone. Its been your & the NRA solution for everything.

No one is "forced" into illegal activities

 

[RealDave]

The Joyce Foundation is as left wing as it gets and it is a gun control group as well....what did they find when they asked actual criminals in jail where they got their guns....guns they are not allowed to buy, own or carry?

The friends and family plan.

Study Finds That Chicago Criminals Get Guns From Friends, Family

A survey conducted by researchers from Duke University and the University of Chicago found that Chicago criminals obtained their firearms almost exclusively from friends and family.

The survey, funded by the Joyce Foundation and set to be published in the October edition of Preventive Medicine, consisted of interviews with 99 inmates at Chicago’s Cook County Jail who had illegally possessed a gun within six months of their incarceration. It found that most criminals only acquired guns from people they knew and trusted.

----

The study found that due to fears of encountering undercover police officers attempting sting operations, a large majority of the criminals surveyed would only make illegal gun purchases from people they knew.

"In discussing the underground gun market in their neighborhoods, most respondents emphasized the importance of connections—prior relationships that could create sufficient trust to reassure the seller that the transaction would not create an unacceptable legal risk," the survey says. "

A majority of the primary guns (40 of the 48 for which we have detailed information on the source) were obtained from family, fellow gang members, or other social connections; the fraction is still higher for secondary guns."

"Only 2 of the 70 primary guns (3%) and no secondary guns were reported as purchased directly from a gun store."

The survey also found that criminals preferred handguns by a wide margin. Rifles, shotguns, and firearms that would be classified as "assault weapons" under Illinois law made up a small percentage of the guns criminals reported they had owned.

Additionally, the survey found that criminals kept their firearms for only a short period of time and had little knowledge of firearms.

The researchers noted that the findings may challenge what many believe about how criminals obtain firearms.

"Some of the pathways people are concerned about don’t seem so dominant," Harold Pollack, co-director of the University of Chicago’s Crime Lab and co-author of the survey, told the Chicago Sun-Times.
-------

"This proves what we have said all along," Alan Gottlieb, the founder of Second Amendment, told the Free Beacon. "Criminals don't go through background checks to acquire a gun. They don’t buy them at gun stores, gun shows, or on the Internet. They get them from family, friends, and fellow gang members. Gun control laws only affect lawful gun owners."

Background checks forced them into illegal activity risking their own family members. The more you force criminals to use illegal sources, the more likely they get caught.

Evidently your solution is just hand out guns to everyone. Its been your & the NRA solution for everything.

No one is "forced" into illegal activities

If a person wants to obtain a gun & can't pass a basckground check, then they are forced to go illegal.

 

[RealDave]

That's a good reason why we need to limit who can have guns. So the kind of person who would give their gun to Cousin Shifty doesn't get one, either.

Again- Rest of the world has figured this out.

and how oh Great and Powerful Oz do you know what person is going to illegally give a gun to someone?

When they find the criminal with that gun & trace it back? Then they get arrested & can't pass a background check.

 

[2aguy]

The Joyce Foundation is as left wing as it gets and it is a gun control group as well....what did they find when they asked actual criminals in jail where they got their guns....guns they are not allowed to buy, own or carry?

The friends and family plan.

Study Finds That Chicago Criminals Get Guns From Friends, Family

A survey conducted by researchers from Duke University and the University of Chicago found that Chicago criminals obtained their firearms almost exclusively from friends and family.

The survey, funded by the Joyce Foundation and set to be published in the October edition of Preventive Medicine, consisted of interviews with 99 inmates at Chicago’s Cook County Jail who had illegally possessed a gun within six months of their incarceration. It found that most criminals only acquired guns from people they knew and trusted.

----

The study found that due to fears of encountering undercover police officers attempting sting operations, a large majority of the criminals surveyed would only make illegal gun purchases from people they knew.

"In discussing the underground gun market in their neighborhoods, most respondents emphasized the importance of connections—prior relationships that could create sufficient trust to reassure the seller that the transaction would not create an unacceptable legal risk," the survey says. "

A majority of the primary guns (40 of the 48 for which we have detailed information on the source) were obtained from family, fellow gang members, or other social connections; the fraction is still higher for secondary guns."

"Only 2 of the 70 primary guns (3%) and no secondary guns were reported as purchased directly from a gun store."

The survey also found that criminals preferred handguns by a wide margin. Rifles, shotguns, and firearms that would be classified as "assault weapons" under Illinois law made up a small percentage of the guns criminals reported they had owned.

Additionally, the survey found that criminals kept their firearms for only a short period of time and had little knowledge of firearms.

The researchers noted that the findings may challenge what many believe about how criminals obtain firearms.

"Some of the pathways people are concerned about don’t seem so dominant," Harold Pollack, co-director of the University of Chicago’s Crime Lab and co-author of the survey, told the Chicago Sun-Times.
-------

"This proves what we have said all along," Alan Gottlieb, the founder of Second Amendment, told the Free Beacon. "Criminals don't go through background checks to acquire a gun. They don’t buy them at gun stores, gun shows, or on the Internet. They get them from family, friends, and fellow gang members. Gun control laws only affect lawful gun owners."

Background checks forced them into illegal activity risking their own family members. The more you force criminals to use illegal sources, the more likely they get caught.

Evidently your solution is just hand out guns to everyone. Its been your & the NRA solution for everything.

No one is "forced" into illegal activities

If a person wants to obtain a gun & can't pass a basckground check, then they are forced to go illegal.

Did you read the link.....go and read the part of the research that is available....they have people attached to the gangs who have valid FOID cards..which means they can pass any background check......and they have people from out of state who can pass background checks bringing guns in....

They get the guns from friends and family who either steal the gun or get them legally.......

 

[2aguy]

That's a good reason why we need to limit who can have guns. So the kind of person who would give their gun to Cousin Shifty doesn't get one, either.

Again- Rest of the world has figured this out.

and how oh Great and Powerful Oz do you know what person is going to illegally give a gun to someone?

When they find the criminal with that gun & trace it back? Then they get arrested & can't pass a background check.

Yes.....the other problem...as I have linked to before.....they don't punish baby momma's and grandmothers for straw buying....juries don't like to convict them so Prosecutors don't bring those cases to trial.

 

[2aguy]

That's a good reason why we need to limit who can have guns. So the kind of person who would give their gun to Cousin Shifty doesn't get one, either.

Again- Rest of the world has figured this out.

We already limit who can have guns.....felons and the dangerously mentally ill......

The rest of the world didn't figure it out......their gun crime rates are increasing because their gangs are becoming more violent...gun crime is up 42% in London....and Melbourne, Australia is called the City of the Gun....and France..the criminals there see AK-47s as status symbols.....

Nothing you say about guns is even remotely true.....

 

[2aguy]

and how oh Great and Powerful Oz do you know what person is going to illegally give a gun to someone?

do a background check that includes associates. Easy peasy.

Of course, I have a better solution than that. If you gave a gun to someone, or sold a gun to someone, and they commit a crime with it, you are held criminally and civilly responsible.

That includes gun stores.

Betcha they'll start looking into who they sell guns to at that point.

Yes......you guys always want to go after the people who didn't break the law.....

 

[2aguy]

Open up enough unlocked car doors and you`ll have a gun.

Yes....because morons like you have made so many buildings gun free zones you have to lock your gun in your car to enter them. That is on you, not us.

 

[RealDave]

What associates? I have no associates that would not pass a background check and what right do you have to do a background check on anyone who is NOT buying a gun? How about we change the 4th amendment to allow the police to search the homes of the associates of all criminals?

Um, we already do that. Judges will issue warrents if they think a bad guy is hiding at a friends house.

And gun stores have to do background checks in almost every state. Every state I've looked at also has made it illegal to knowingly sell to a person ineligible to own a gun. Many states already require that all private gun sales be brokered by an FFL dealer.

A lot of things are technically illegal and not enforced. This is the problem. It's not just that the National Rampage Association makes it too easy to get guns, it's that they've watered down enforcement of gun laws that do exist.

So then you need a warrant to investigate a gun owners associates as well.

And the problem here is idiots like you who hold law abiding people responsible for the acts of others.

So why don't we just suspend the 4th and 5th amendments as well because according to your "logic" everyone is nothing more than a criminal in waiting.

We should chemically castrate all men because some men rape women
We should remove all children from their homes because some parents or family members abuse children

We should allow warrant less no knock searches of every residence because some people keep illegal drugs in their homes

After all everyone is a potential criminal, rapist, mass murderer in waiting

Even you

No, the problem are dumbass NRA fools who think we should have no laws on gun ownership. When I see a bunch of kids slaughtered by a crazy person with an assault type rifle, I think of assholes like you who have a freaking fit when laws are proposed to help stop that shit. YOU support the NRA & yes you are partly responsible.


This is really funny chit coming from the crowd that condemns & wants to ban Muslims because a few are terrorists.

 

[RealDave]

and how oh Great and Powerful Oz do you know what person is going to illegally give a gun to someone?

do a background check that includes associates. Easy peasy.

Of course, I have a better solution than that. If you gave a gun to someone, or sold a gun to someone, and they commit a crime with it, you are held criminally and civilly responsible.

That includes gun stores.

Betcha they'll start looking into who they sell guns to at that point.

Yes......you guys always want to go after the people who didn't break the law.....

If you give a gun to a person who could not pass a background check, then you are responsible.