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I did not know that. TY, Chief!
The amount found was low, very low, and could have been from getting stoned weeks before he was murdered.
You are constantly spewing lies, and you have been since this happened. You pass yourself off as an expert but in reality you are a hysterical idiot that identifies with someone that killed an unarmed kid and justify it by claiming the kid was stoned.
Like I said before, ANYONE that hires you as an expert is an idiot and should be warned.
Who determined it was "low".
Are you a forensic pathologist?
What is low and what is high THC content in a 17 year old's body?
He had it in his damn urine.
Anyone with any knowledge of forensic toxicology knows that is CURRENT USE.
1. The Medical Examiner report shows 1.5 nanograms/millileter of THC, that is a trace amount.
2. Based on the half-life of THC, that indicates an equivalent to 1 joint 10-12 hours prior.
3. Sorry, when I active duty we did random drug testing and routinely kicked people out for smoking pot based on urine sample when the intake had been weeks before. The mere presence of THC in the sample does not mean that Martin was high at the time of incident.
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Who determined it was "low".
Are you a forensic pathologist?
What is low and what is high THC content in a 17 year old's body?
He had it in his damn urine.
Anyone with any knowledge of forensic toxicology knows that is CURRENT USE.
1. The Medical Examiner report shows 1.5 nanograms/millileter of THC, that is a trace amount.
2. Based on the half-life of THC, that indicates an equivalent to 1 joint 10-12 hours prior.
3. Sorry, when I active duty we did random drug testing and routinely kicked people out for smoking pot based on urine sample when the intake had been weeks before. The mere presence of THC in the sample does not mean that Martin was high at the time of incident.
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Half life margin of error is as high as 50% in urine testing. And the urine passes it out faster than any other area.
So that half life could be 4-5 hours before and add in rigor mortis as the body was DEAD when testing and that also plays into the equation World.
Apples and oranges. YOU had testing from LIVE folks. Martin was DEAD. Now his TOD was known to minutes but the body goes through rigor mortis usually 2-4 hours after death. This is when adenosine triphosphates go away from the muscles. Keep in mind that after death all the muscles are relaxed so the bladder attempts to release the urine and the bowels the waste so the most current urine and waste has parts released and in most cases the deceased urine is mixed with trace elements of urine that the bladder has had in for a while. Not the other way around. Now in someone as young as Martin this would have less of an effect as his organs are working at an optimum level, when alive. But this was tested during autopsy when he was dead. But rigor mortis takes 6-12 hours to fully develop and in someone as young as Martin it would be most likely the later. So we have a long time for the body to relax and the organs, bladder specifically, to release some or a good portion of the urine that was most recent. And the algor mortis, the cooling of the body, about 1 1/2 degrees per hour, has a great effect on the concentration of the urine as the urine is used to being in a state of 96.8 degrees. So when the urine is tested cold, from whatever storage the body has gone under prior to autopsy, the concentration of anything and everything in the urine in the bladder as well as other bodily fluids that have mixed in with it, which would be minute and easily seen, has other influences as to the concentration of foreign chemicals. And since Martin suffered a violent death with internal bleeding other sudden reactions of the bladder may have also contributed to the concentrations of substances in the urine after death. Drugs in the urine after death make testing for drugs in the urine unreliable as to longevity half life conclusions.
That Martin punk had a criminal record and like many black youth today, don't like non-whites watching them roam the streets so he came after the hispanic Zimmerman.
Zimmerman probably should've kept his distance and prevented the attack, but the punk Martin should not have attacked him for following him. The punk Martin is dead and he learned his lesson in the end with a bullet.
Odds are Zimmerman will never break the law from now on, but the same couldn't be said about the punk Martin.....that most likely would've been a felon by age 25.
That Martin punk had a criminal record and like many black youth today, don't like non-whites watching them roam the streets so he came after the hispanic Zimmerman.
Zimmerman probably should've kept his distance and prevented the attack, but the punk Martin should not have attacked him for following him. The punk Martin is dead and he learned his lesson in the end with a bullet.
Odds are Zimmerman will never break the law from now on, but the same couldn't be said about the punk Martin.....that most likely would've been a felon by age 25.
Actually Martin didn't have a criminal record, the only one of the two with a criminal record was Zimmerman for assaulting a police officer.
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He was kicked out of school for drugs. He was not an adult, thus his record is sealed.
That Martin punk had a criminal record and like many black youth today, don't like non-whites watching them roam the streets so he came after the hispanic Zimmerman.
Zimmerman probably should've kept his distance and prevented the attack, but the punk Martin should not have attacked him for following him. The punk Martin is dead and he learned his lesson in the end with a bullet.
Odds are Zimmerman will never break the law from now on, but the same couldn't be said about the punk Martin.....that most likely would've been a felon by age 25.
Actually Martin didn't have a criminal record, the only one of the two with a criminal record was Zimmerman for assaulting a police officer.
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He was kicked out of school for drugs. He was not an adult, thus his record is sealed.
Actually Martin didn't have a criminal record, the only one of the two with a criminal record was Zimmerman for assaulting a police officer.
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Getting a temporary suspension is not getting kicked out of school and it is not a criminal record.
If youth offender records are sealed then how would you know that Martin has one to then say he has a criminal record? So have you seen this record?
Of course officials report that one doesn't exist (confirming whether one exists or not is not violating a seal as to content".
Trayvon Martin Update: School marijuana suspension, no criminal record - Crimesider - CBS News
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1. The Medical Examiner report shows 1.5 nanograms/millileter of THC, that is a trace amount.
2. Based on the half-life of THC, that indicates an equivalent to 1 joint 10-12 hours prior.
3. Sorry, when I active duty we did random drug testing and routinely kicked people out for smoking pot based on urine sample when the intake had been weeks before. The mere presence of THC in the sample does not mean that Martin was high at the time of incident.
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Half life margin of error is as high as 50% in urine testing. And the urine passes it out faster than any other area.
So that half life could be 4-5 hours before and add in rigor mortis as the body was DEAD when testing and that also plays into the equation World.
Apples and oranges. YOU had testing from LIVE folks. Martin was DEAD. Now his TOD was known to minutes but the body goes through rigor mortis usually 2-4 hours after death. This is when adenosine triphosphates go away from the muscles. Keep in mind that after death all the muscles are relaxed so the bladder attempts to release the urine and the bowels the waste so the most current urine and waste has parts released and in most cases the deceased urine is mixed with trace elements of urine that the bladder has had in for a while. Not the other way around. Now in someone as young as Martin this would have less of an effect as his organs are working at an optimum level, when alive. But this was tested during autopsy when he was dead. But rigor mortis takes 6-12 hours to fully develop and in someone as young as Martin it would be most likely the later. So we have a long time for the body to relax and the organs, bladder specifically, to release some or a good portion of the urine that was most recent. And the algor mortis, the cooling of the body, about 1 1/2 degrees per hour, has a great effect on the concentration of the urine as the urine is used to being in a state of 96.8 degrees. So when the urine is tested cold, from whatever storage the body has gone under prior to autopsy, the concentration of anything and everything in the urine in the bladder as well as other bodily fluids that have mixed in with it, which would be minute and easily seen, has other influences as to the concentration of foreign chemicals. And since Martin suffered a violent death with internal bleeding other sudden reactions of the bladder may have also contributed to the concentrations of substances in the urine after death. Drugs in the urine after death make testing for drugs in the urine unreliable as to longevity half life conclusions.
Martin's toxicology report was not based on a urine sample, it was based on a blood sample take from the chest cavity.
1/2 life of the blood sample is based on the body metabolizing the chemicals through the liver and kidneys, once Martin died the chemicals were no longer being metabolized because the blood was not passing through the organs that removed the chemicals any longer.
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Secondly, urine samples are/were taken and refrigerated and mailed for testing weeks later. So the whole rigor thing in terms of time doesn't impact testing of urine.
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Thirdly Martin was shot in the chest not the pelvic area.
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Finally it seems that toxicology reports taken when someone dies can't be believed. Run that by a panel of forensic pathologists and see if that logic is accepted.
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Martin was kicked out of 1-2 schools because he was a piece of shit.
He was with his other parent in that little town because he couldn't stay out of trouble.
He looked for trouble that night when he attacked Zimmerman. He could've called the police himself and told them some hispanic man was following him, then the story would've been solved by the police for both parties.
Martin is dead and learned his lesson the hard way. Zimmerman has also learned a lesson to keep his distance from a punk in the dark or else end up in a fight.
He was kicked out of school for drugs. He was not an adult, thus his record is sealed.
Getting a temporary suspension is not getting kicked out of school and it is not a criminal record.
If youth offender records are sealed then how would you know that Martin has one to then say he has a criminal record? So have you seen this record?
Of course officials report that one doesn't exist (confirming whether one exists or not is not violating a seal as to content".
Trayvon Martin Update: School marijuana suspension, no criminal record - Crimesider - CBS News
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Half life margin of error is as high as 50% in urine testing. And the urine passes it out faster than any other area.
So that half life could be 4-5 hours before and add in rigor mortis as the body was DEAD when testing and that also plays into the equation World.
Apples and oranges. YOU had testing from LIVE folks. Martin was DEAD. Now his TOD was known to minutes but the body goes through rigor mortis usually 2-4 hours after death. This is when adenosine triphosphates go away from the muscles. Keep in mind that after death all the muscles are relaxed so the bladder attempts to release the urine and the bowels the waste so the most current urine and waste has parts released and in most cases the deceased urine is mixed with trace elements of urine that the bladder has had in for a while. Not the other way around. Now in someone as young as Martin this would have less of an effect as his organs are working at an optimum level, when alive. But this was tested during autopsy when he was dead. But rigor mortis takes 6-12 hours to fully develop and in someone as young as Martin it would be most likely the later. So we have a long time for the body to relax and the organs, bladder specifically, to release some or a good portion of the urine that was most recent. And the algor mortis, the cooling of the body, about 1 1/2 degrees per hour, has a great effect on the concentration of the urine as the urine is used to being in a state of 96.8 degrees. So when the urine is tested cold, from whatever storage the body has gone under prior to autopsy, the concentration of anything and everything in the urine in the bladder as well as other bodily fluids that have mixed in with it, which would be minute and easily seen, has other influences as to the concentration of foreign chemicals. And since Martin suffered a violent death with internal bleeding other sudden reactions of the bladder may have also contributed to the concentrations of substances in the urine after death. Drugs in the urine after death make testing for drugs in the urine unreliable as to longevity half life conclusions.
Martin's toxicology report was not based on a urine sample, it was based on a blood sample take from the chest cavity.
1/2 life of the blood sample is based on the body metabolizing the chemicals through the liver and kidneys, once Martin died the chemicals were no longer being metabolized because the blood was not passing through the organs that removed the chemicals any longer.
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Secondly, urine samples are/were taken and refrigerated and mailed for testing weeks later. So the whole rigor thing in terms of time doesn't impact testing of urine.
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Thirdly Martin was shot in the chest not the pelvic area.
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Finally it seems that toxicology reports taken when someone dies can't be believed. Run that by a panel of forensic pathologists and see if that logic is accepted.
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Hate to tell you again and no offense World but they found THC in his urine, it was in the toxicology report and the same tests were run. Keep in mind that "can stay in the body for weeks" is a vague and broad interpretation of how the blood metabolizes any foreign substance. There can be a great deal of variation of these levels of THC results in the blood more than the urine. Urine is waste and blood is not. Immediately after death blood moves to other parts of the body closest to the ground, gravity. As I stated earlier, the body relaxes and primary flaxidity sets in. Red blood cells break down.
Now their final findings of consistency of the levels from the chest cavity may have been used as their final conclusion, as I have no problem with that as the blood is an easier sample to use than the urine, but the tests were also conducted on the urine
You are making up words and putting them in my mouth because you can not deal with someone questioning YOUR conclusions. I never said I did not believe any toxicology reports.
Being shot anywhere and the trauma associated with it World, especially when you are killed, has an effect on all of the organs.
You prove my point without even knowing it on the urine testing as it was done later and AFTER rigor mortis.
This is all moot as I agree that most likely a motion in limine strikes this as being introduced at trial but I have seen crazier things.
And Zimmerman should have been charged with involuntary manslaughter and possibly voluntary manslaughter instead of the murder charge.
Instead they sat on it and look what erupted.
I see no evidence, there may be some and I am open to it, that Zimmerman walked up to Martin and shot him as Martin was attempting to flee. That just did not happen is my OPINION.
And the fact that the DA has this as a murder case is troubling because this is one where a plea to 5 - 10 years on manslaughter with 2 years to do is where it should be.
This is not a murder case. Unless someone comes forward and testifies Zimmerman chased him down with the gun out and Martin fleeing.
Maybe it was that way but sure does not look like it.
If Martin had a cell phone like most youth....the defense attorney is going to blow up the case by asking..."Why didn't he call the police or his parents about some man following him?"
Most people that fear for their life would call someone to let them know they need help or that something might happen.
By not calling anyone, Martin showed his intent to fight Zimmerman. You don't call your parents or the police to alert them that you're going to do fight some man following you.
Case closed.
Martin's toxicology report was not based on a urine sample, it was based on a blood sample take from the chest cavity.
1/2 life of the blood sample is based on the body metabolizing the chemicals through the liver and kidneys, once Martin died the chemicals were no longer being metabolized because the blood was not passing through the organs that removed the chemicals any longer.
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Secondly, urine samples are/were taken and refrigerated and mailed for testing weeks later. So the whole rigor thing in terms of time doesn't impact testing of urine.
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Thirdly Martin was shot in the chest not the pelvic area.
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Finally it seems that toxicology reports taken when someone dies can't be believed. Run that by a panel of forensic pathologists and see if that logic is accepted.
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Hate to tell you again and no offense World but they found THC in his urine, it was in the toxicology report and the same tests were run. Keep in mind that "can stay in the body for weeks" is a vague and broad interpretation of how the blood metabolizes any foreign substance. There can be a great deal of variation of these levels of THC results in the blood more than the urine. Urine is waste and blood is not. Immediately after death blood moves to other parts of the body closest to the ground, gravity. As I stated earlier, the body relaxes and primary flaxidity sets in. Red blood cells break down.
Now their final findings of consistency of the levels from the chest cavity may have been used as their final conclusion, as I have no problem with that as the blood is an easier sample to use than the urine, but the tests were also conducted on the urine
You are making up words and putting them in my mouth because you can not deal with someone questioning YOUR conclusions. I never said I did not believe any toxicology reports.
Being shot anywhere and the trauma associated with it World, especially when you are killed, has an effect on all of the organs.
You prove my point without even knowing it on the urine testing as it was done later and AFTER rigor mortis.
This is all moot as I agree that most likely a motion in limine strikes this as being introduced at trial but I have seen crazier things.
The toxicology report by the Medical Examiner, which quantified the THC, was based on blood, not urine. See page 137 for the ME's report. (Now there is an entry of "Presump Pos" for urine, but I'm not sure if that means they ran a quick true/false type field test or if it was just assumed that urine (presumptive) would be positive because the blood was positive. Honestly I don't know on that.)
State v. Zimmerman: Evidence released by prosecutor
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If Martin had a cell phone like most youth....the defense attorney is going to blow up the case by asking..."Why didn't he call the police or his parents about some man following him?"
Most people that fear for their life would call someone to let them know they need help or that something might happen.
By not calling anyone, Martin showed his intent to fight Zimmerman. You don't call your parents or the police to alert them that you're going to do fight some man following you.
Case closed.
Actually Martin was on the phone with the girlfriend at the time (she had called him). Something Zimmerman didn't know about when he gave his statements to the police that night and the next day. At the time that Zimmerman says in the tape that Martin is making threatening gestures and reaching into his waist - phone records show that is the time he received the inbound call.
Zimmerman says Martin approached him and started the confrontation, however the witness on the other end of the phone contradicts that and indicated she heard a voice confront Martin.
So no, actually the phone pokes a whole in Zimmerman's story.
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If Martin had a cell phone like most youth....the defense attorney is going to blow up the case by asking..."Why didn't he call the police or his parents about some man following him?"
Most people that fear for their life would call someone to let them know they need help or that something might happen.
By not calling anyone, Martin showed his intent to fight Zimmerman. You don't call your parents or the police to alert them that you're going to do fight some man following you.
Case closed.
Actually Martin was on the phone with the girlfriend at the time (she had called him). Something Zimmerman didn't know about when he gave his statements to the police that night and the next day. At the time that Zimmerman says in the tape that Martin is making threatening gestures and reaching into his waist - phone records show that is the time he received the inbound call.
Zimmerman says Martin approached him and started the confrontation, however the witness on the other end of the phone contradicts that and indicated she heard a voice confront Martin.
So no, actually the phone pokes a whole in Zimmerman's story.
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Rank hearsay 100% as she can not state anything she was told on the phone by someone else.
Can not offer any of it at trial.
I agree. Saw that. But it was not a field test on the urine. They went with the blood as that is not have waste elements in it and easier to test.
Not disputing their findings, never have as you claimed I did. Pointing out that IF these results were relevant, and I do not believe they really are in a murder case, they WOULD be challenged on their "findings" in that there are many different theories as to what half life margin of error is.
Motions in limine will most likely rule it out anyway.
I can't wait to read The Infidel's response to this post.How are you deciding this? He could have tripped and went face first into the cement, for all you know. He could have attacked Martin, who took him down face first into the cement, for all you know.
He has reached that conclusion because Trayvon was black, and therefore must have been the aggressor.
Considering the FACT that 1 out of 3 negro males are criminal offenders, the odds are in the favor of the statement, trayvon was black, theefore he was the aggressor.
I do like his Jimmy Carter T-shirt, though!^ angry racist is angry....and has no clue what a fact is.
No doubt that he is a homosexual as well.
Have you met Warrior yet?
You making a pass at me boy? Don't bother, I don't swing your way son. Guess you chose not to try and dispute my facts huh boy?
You wouldn't know a fact if it you stalked it then shot and killed it when it confronted you for being a creeper.
You should look up Warrior, you two would definitely hit it off.
