bripat9643
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If they can't stay isolated, then what makes you think we can? You're right, we can't.Because they can't stay isolated. This is the third time I've said it. The older, infirm, elderly, institutionalized, they cannot stay isolated because their functional capacity is not very good.But they remain isolated? Many businesses already closed permanently. Suicide rates and drug overdose Rates are up too. Itâs lives vs lives.The problem is that the process of getting "herd immunity" puts them at severe risk. The vulnerable are dependent on us for lots of things. If the virus is running unhihibited through the general population, it's far more likely it reaches the vulnerable.Different place to place. Depends on how competent your state is.How long. Guesstimate.And they can remain on lockdown. The rest of us should be able to go out and give the economy a boost. Set up testing at nursing homes to test those going in (workers). Vaccines are not 100% effective. When would you reopen?Nursing homes are everywhere dude. Unhealthy people are everywhere. Old people are everywhere.No. NYC happens when you infect nursing homes at a rapid rate. They are an outlier. Didnât happen anywhere else in the country. And still 98% of those who died are those who either old and or very unhealthy. We can protect them and open the country. They were wrong in terms of how many hospital beds and ventilators they would need. Need to follow Swedenâs model.NY was what happens when the virus takes hold before mitigation.NY was an anomaly. Again odds of you dying if youâre under 59 are very slim.That doesnât seem likely. Did you see what happened in New York? Do you want that everywhere?No, we are not. The policy is wrong and will cost more lives than if no policy had been put in place.The point is, that this isnât over. Itâs actually a long way from being over. We arenât shutting down the country because of the people that HAVE died. We are doing it to protect the people that WILL die. We are fighting to prevent 0.02% from becoming 0.1% or 1%.Congrats, you have passed 4th grade math!0.02% of the entire country today has died as a result of COVID. Thatâs out of everyone, not just the infected.
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Swedenâs Coronavirus Strategy Will Soon Be the Worldâs
Herd immunity is the only realistic optionâthe question is how to get there safely.www.foreignaffairs.com
The more you open up the country, the harder it is to protect them. Old, unhealthy, nursing home patients cannot exist in isolation. They are almost by definition reliant on others for activities of daily life.
Id reopen when we can identify, trace and isolate cases, like you do with any outbreak.
Itâll happen. It wonât be that long.
Iâm not a big fan of the âJesus take the wheelâ approach.we protect them better by garnering herd immunity. This was supposed to flatten the curve not lockdown til there is a cure. By garnering herd immunity we protect the vulnerable. By doing what we are doing now we prolong the pain for everyone. ECONOMIC Pain is real. Itâs lives vs lives not $$$ vs livesHere thatâs what I thought we were doing by social distancing. The healthy are sacrificing to protect the vulnerable. Yet, what Iâm hearing is that the healthy should not be âpunishedâ and shouldnât have to protect the vulnerable, who are only a very small percentage.Thatâs how it always works. Healthy protect the vulnerable.Or spread it and allow for herd immunity.It doesn't require total isolation. It requires contact tracing and testing. Find out who has it, isolate them, find out who they possibly gave it to, test them, isolate those that turn out to be infect, etc. etc. etc. Find the disease, track it, end it.I suppose total isolation in space might keep the chinese disease at bayThere's nothing inevitable about it.TrueI don't believe that's true. Not everyone gets the flu every year.We are all going to get infected sooner or later0.02% of the entire country today has died as a result of COVID. Thatâs out of everyone, not just the infected.
and those with underlying medical conditions will die from it
but everyone else will survive just as humans always have
some of us may postpone the inevitable for two years
But sooner or later...
but here on earth only one person out of a million can live in total isolation
Lets say there are 100 of us and 25 are old or at risk. We protect the 25 but we 75 go out. We all get it and then the virus has nowhere to go and dies out and then we release the remaining 25.
The very fact that 75 out of 100 has it means the 25 arenât protected.
Economic pain is real, but recoverable.
Show me the data on suicide rates and drug overdoses. Thanks.