1 In 10 Female University Of Oregon Students Say They've Been Raped, Do You Buy It ?

[ricechickie]

Sure there can. Plenty of wives aren't in the mood, say so, their husbands gently persist, the wife gets in the mood and they both have a fantastic time and no, this isn't always wives doing their wifely duty, they actually had a very good time having sex. So this standard of yours isn't as rock solid as you imagine it.

I do though think your standard should be applied in a brutally honest fashion for singles. As the first utterance of "no" the man should stop, pick up his jacket and walk out. He is there for sex, she says no, he's being honest and leaving. Couples don't magically get to the point where sex becomes an issue, they're not dropped there from a cold start. There have been signals passing back and forth all evening, escalating the intimacy. At each step of the way the women knows that they've both moved one step closer. Why is she bothering if she knows that she won't have sex? None of this is meant to excuse men who rape a woman when she says no, it's meant to highlight that women often need a bit of coaxing as the couple approach the end zone. Woman are now saying that "No means NO, always and without ambiguity." OK, men should listen and also give a message back, without ambiguity - "I'm taking you at your word" and go cold. She led him on, he's unhappy with being lied to.

This is a nebulous zone - some women want a little more persuasion before they say yes, so they say "no" and mean "keep trying" while other women say "no" and actually mean "no." The ones who say "no" and mean "no" are not the problem, it's the ones who say "no" but really mean "persuade me some more" that are the problem
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The way to reform the "no means try harder" women is to cut your loses and leave. Actually, don't even say a word. Leave her wondering. She'll figure it out. It's these women who are ambiguous who are causing the problem because they're undermining the message from the other straight shooter women and there's no way for a guy to know which kind of woman he's dealing with. When he guesses right, he has consensual sex, when he guesses wrong he's a rapist.

You act like it's such a burden to simply take a woman at her word. Yes, if she says no, you should back right the fuck off. If she doesn't mean it, then she'd better say "yes."

It's a burden because men have to deal with inconsistent women. Some say no and mean no, some say no and mean keep trying and there's no way of telling them apart. It's like following Alice through the Looking Glass.

Nonsense. Take her at her word, and the women who want men to keep trying will learn to say that.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Yes, women have played the card, but men have demonized women as well.

If she says "maybe" ask for "yes" or "no".

STFU, there's nothing more sickening to behold than a white knight. Let women speak for themselves. They don't need you to protect them and to always shift the blame onto men. You couldn't even write "Yes, women play that card" and leave it at that because that would make women look bad, so you have to drag a slam at men into the sentence in order to make your complaint against woman balanced.

Is there not even one subject in the entire universe on which you don't come out on the moron side?

 

[Rikurzhen]

Sure there can. Plenty of wives aren't in the mood, say so, their husbands gently persist, the wife gets in the mood and they both have a fantastic time and no, this isn't always wives doing their wifely duty, they actually had a very good time having sex. So this standard of yours isn't as rock solid as you imagine it.

I do though think your standard should be applied in a brutally honest fashion for singles. As the first utterance of "no" the man should stop, pick up his jacket and walk out. He is there for sex, she says no, he's being honest and leaving. Couples don't magically get to the point where sex becomes an issue, they're not dropped there from a cold start. There have been signals passing back and forth all evening, escalating the intimacy. At each step of the way the women knows that they've both moved one step closer. Why is she bothering if she knows that she won't have sex? None of this is meant to excuse men who rape a woman when she says no, it's meant to highlight that women often need a bit of coaxing as the couple approach the end zone. Woman are now saying that "No means NO, always and without ambiguity." OK, men should listen and also give a message back, without ambiguity - "I'm taking you at your word" and go cold. She led him on, he's unhappy with being lied to.

This is a nebulous zone - some women want a little more persuasion before they say yes, so they say "no" and mean "keep trying" while other women say "no" and actually mean "no." The ones who say "no" and mean "no" are not the problem, it's the ones who say "no" but really mean "persuade me some more" that are the problem
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The way to reform the "no means try harder" women is to cut your loses and leave. Actually, don't even say a word. Leave her wondering. She'll figure it out. It's these women who are ambiguous who are causing the problem because they're undermining the message from the other straight shooter women and there's no way for a guy to know which kind of woman he's dealing with. When he guesses right, he has consensual sex, when he guesses wrong he's a rapist.

You act like it's such a burden to simply take a woman at her word. Yes, if she says no, you should back right the fuck off. If she doesn't mean it, then she'd better say "yes."

It's a burden because men have to deal with inconsistent women. Some say no and mean no, some say no and mean keep trying and there's no way of telling them apart. It's like following Alice through the Looking Glass.

Nonsense. Take her at her word, and the women who want men to keep trying will learn to say that.

Why are you lecturing me when you are the one who suffers from reading comprehension problems?

The way to reform the "no means try harder" women is to cut your loses and leave. Actually, don't even say a word. Leave her wondering. She'll figure it out. It's these women who are ambiguous who are causing the problem because they're undermining the message from the other straight shooter women and there's no way for a guy to know which kind of woman he's dealing with.​

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yes, women have played the card, but men have demonized women as well.

If she says "maybe" ask for "yes" or "no".

STFU, there's nothing more sickening to behold than a white knight. Let women speak for themselves. They don't need you to protect them and to always shift the blame onto men. You couldn't even write "Yes, women play that card" and leave it at that because that would make women look bad, so you have to drag a slam at men into the sentence in order to make your complaint against woman balanced.

Is there not even one subject in the entire universe on which you don't come out on the moron side?

Rik, quit acting the turd. Anyone can speak for anyone else. You are speaking for the rapists, are you not? You are shamefully wrong.

In terms of having nothing to do with women who give conflicting signals, yes, retreat. That is wisest. And remember 95% of women are smarter than you.

 

[ricechickie]

Why are you lecturing me when you are the one who suffers from reading comprehension problems?

The way to reform the "no means try harder" women is to cut your loses and leave. Actually, don't even say a word. Leave her wondering. She'll figure it out. It's these women who are ambiguous who are causing the problem because they're undermining the message from the other straight shooter women and there's no way for a guy to know which kind of woman he's dealing with.​

I'm "lecturing" you because you seem to be under some delusion that it's a burden on men to ask a woman to tell you clearly what she wants and to take her at her word.

Also, you seem to think that women started acting in such a manner in a vacuum.....that it has nothing to do with how girls are raised.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Why are you lecturing me when you are the one who suffers from reading comprehension problems?

The way to reform the "no means try harder" women is to cut your loses and leave. Actually, don't even say a word. Leave her wondering. She'll figure it out. It's these women who are ambiguous who are causing the problem because they're undermining the message from the other straight shooter women and there's no way for a guy to know which kind of woman he's dealing with.​

I'm "lecturing" you because you seem to be under some delusion that it's a burden on men to ask a woman to tell you clearly what she wants and to take her at her word.

Quote back to me what I wrote which conveys the impression that I believe it is a burden on men to ask if a woman consents. What I see in both scenarios is the man asking the woman. If the man is asking, then how is he being burdened? This is your reading comprehension disability rearing up again.

Also, you seem to think that women started acting in such a manner in a vacuum.....that it has nothing to do with how girls are raised.

Fuck. Women have no goddamn agency. It's always someone else's fault.

 

[ricechickie]

Quote back to me what I wrote which conveys the impression that I believe it is a burden on men to ask if a woman consents.

It's a burden because men have to deal with inconsistent women. Some say no and mean no, some say no and mean keep trying and there's no way of telling them apart. It's like following Alice through the Looking Glass.

Ooops.

 

[depotoo]

Drinking at a college party until you can't forcefully resist isn't rape.

Afraid it is...in any court in the land

If 10% of college girls in this country have been raped then we have a serious problem.

10% would put female University of Oregon students low on the list.
In the United States, about 1 in 6 women have been victimized and-----and most rapes and attempted rapes go unreported for many and various reasons and----------and if that stat doesn't shock you enough, consider - more than 70 sexual assaults take place in our military EVERY FRIGGIN' DAY.
Culture of Rape?

RAINN: Who are the Victims?

1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape in her lifetime (14.8% completed rape; 2.8% attempted rape).1

17.7 million American women have been victims of attempted or completed rape.1
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Bullshit. Having regrets about who you consented to have sex with isn't rape.

Being passed out is not consent to do what you will. Sorry.

 

[JimH52]

These are the kind of sick comments that give a new definition to ignorance.

"Drinking at a college party until you can't forcefully resist isn't rape."

"Notice though that according to this story, most of the time the women didn't report it. I think deep down most know their behavior is part of the equation."

"I think most of the 10% are feeling guilty about a one night stand and can't admit they are sluts."

It is like you people were beamed in from the 18th century....

 

[Rikurzhen]

Quote back to me what I wrote which conveys the impression that I believe it is a burden on men to ask if a woman consents.

It's a burden because men have to deal with inconsistent women. Some say no and mean no, some say no and mean keep trying and there's no way of telling them apart. It's like following Alice through the Looking Glass.

Ooops.

No, that's me responding to YOUR FRAMING:

Ricechickie: You act like it's such a burden to simply take a woman at her word.
Rikurzhen: It's a burden because men have to deal with inconsistent women.

You conjured up a claim, so what did I write which led you to make that claim?

You understand how cause and effect work, or considering your response here maybe you don't.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Drinking at a college party until you can't forcefully resist isn't rape.

Afraid it is...in any court in the land

If 10% of college girls in this country have been raped then we have a serious problem.

10% would put female University of Oregon students low on the list.
In the United States, about 1 in 6 women have been victimized and-----and most rapes and attempted rapes go unreported for many and various reasons and----------and if that stat doesn't shock you enough, consider - more than 70 sexual assaults take place in our military EVERY FRIGGIN' DAY.
Culture of Rape?

RAINN: Who are the Victims?

1 out of every 6 American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape in her lifetime (14.8% completed rape; 2.8% attempted rape).1

17.7 million American women have been victims of attempted or completed rape.1
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Bullshit. Having regrets about who you consented to have sex with isn't rape.

Being passed out is not consent to do what you will. Sorry.

Why are you making shit up?

 

[depotoo]

A girl getting drunk to the point of passing out is just dumb, but we all do dumb things when we are that age.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Obviously not one in ten women are mugged and forced to have sex, so it's likely that the majority of these situations are probably date rape, or students at a party and things getting out of hand.
there was not rape charges
So my question is, do you think there's ever a point where the behavior by women has got to be part of the situation ?

Recently here on our U of O campus, three basketball players were not prosecuted for rape, but were kicked out of school. Some in the community including the victim, were outraged that rape charges were not filed. It became a big local story.
Thing is when you read about the victims behavior, while I won't use the cliché term "she was asking for it", but I will say that her reported behavior led to being in an extremely vulnerable position.

I have a serious issue with Gen-X and Millennials. The videos and reports that have come out make sexual degradation a common act. 12 year olds giving blow jobs at school is common. Parties that include beer bottles in passed out girls twats is all over the news.

So sadly, yeah, I kind of do believe it - but it isn't as cut and dried as it sounds. We have become a sick society with contempt for healthy sexual attitudes.

 

[whitehall]

Think first before you encourage your daughter to attend an institute of higher learning in an area where the demographic cares more about the "rights" of pedophiles, trans/freakazoids and jihad terrorists than young girls.

 

[ricechickie]

Quote back to me what I wrote which conveys the impression that I believe it is a burden on men to ask if a woman consents.

It's a burden because men have to deal with inconsistent women. Some say no and mean no, some say no and mean keep trying and there's no way of telling them apart. It's like following Alice through the Looking Glass.

Ooops.

No, that's me responding to YOUR FRAMING:

Ricechickie: You act like it's such a burden to simply take a woman at her word.
Rikurzhen: It's a burden because men have to deal with inconsistent women.

You conjured up a claim, so what did I write which led you to make that claim?

You understand how cause and effect work, or considering your response here maybe you don't.

I read what you said and asked why you think it's a burden to take women at their word.

You responded back on why it's a burden. In other words, you agreed with my premise. If you didn't believe it was a burden on men, then you simply could have told me, but instead, you gave me reasons why it's such a burden to take every "no" as a "no."

I'm sorry if you changed your mind, but I didn't force you to say what you said, and just because you have second thoughts about what you wrote, doesn't mean that I've victimized you, or something.

 

[depotoo]

You have to listen to their voice and their actions. If a woman is serious with her no, you should be able to recognize it. Pull away when she says no and if she pulls you back, say no and see what she does. It isn't rocket science.

Sure there can. Plenty of wives aren't in the mood, say so, their husbands gently persist, the wife gets in the mood and they both have a fantastic time and no, this isn't always wives doing their wifely duty, they actually had a very good time having sex. So this standard of yours isn't as rock solid as you imagine it.

I do though think your standard should be applied in a brutally honest fashion for singles. As the first utterance of "no" the man should stop, pick up his jacket and walk out. He is there for sex, she says no, he's being honest and leaving. Couples don't magically get to the point where sex becomes an issue, they're not dropped there from a cold start. There have been signals passing back and forth all evening, escalating the intimacy. At each step of the way the women knows that they've both moved one step closer. Why is she bothering if she knows that she won't have sex? None of this is meant to excuse men who rape a woman when she says no, it's meant to highlight that women often need a bit of coaxing as the couple approach the end zone. Woman are now saying that "No means NO, always and without ambiguity." OK, men should listen and also give a message back, without ambiguity - "I'm taking you at your word" and go cold. She led him on, he's unhappy with being lied to.

This is a nebulous zone - some women want a little more persuasion before they say yes, so they say "no" and mean "keep trying" while other women say "no" and actually mean "no." The ones who say "no" and mean "no" are not the problem, it's the ones who say "no" but really mean "persuade me some more" that are the problem
.
The way to reform the "no means try harder" women is to cut your loses and leave. Actually, don't even say a word. Leave her wondering. She'll figure it out. It's these women who are ambiguous who are causing the problem because they're undermining the message from the other straight shooter women and there's no way for a guy to know which kind of woman he's dealing with. When he guesses right, he has consensual sex, when he guesses wrong he's a rapist.

You act like it's such a burden to simply take a woman at her word. Yes, if she says no, you should back right the fuck off. If she doesn't mean it, then she'd better say "yes."

It's a burden because men have to deal with inconsistent women. Some say no and mean no, some say no and mean keep trying and there's no way of telling them apart. It's like following Alice through the Looking Glass.

 

[Rikurzhen]

Perhaps these women need to hang with a classier crowd.

But women don't want to have their choices limited. Women are hypergamous creatures. Now you're asking them to deny their very natures. Check it out:

For college athletes, an FBI survey discovered that NCAA basketball and football players were reported for committing sexual assault 38% more often than the average for college males (Bohmer & Parrot, 1993). In another survey of ten Division I schools, male athletes accounted for 3.3% of the student body, but were responsible for 19% of the sexual assaults (Crosset, McDonald & Benedict, 1996 cited in Burnett et. al., 2009).
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Women know precisely who these dangerous guys are, most of the women want to snag one of these guys or to be around them, and they play with fire.

Suggest to women that they be more selective in who they associate with? You misogynist, don't you know that the very essence of womanhood is to have choices without consequences, so how dare you interfere in their choices.

 

[Ibentoken]

These are the kind of sick comments that give a new definition to ignorance.

"Drinking at a college party until you can't forcefully resist isn't rape."

"Notice though that according to this story, most of the time the women didn't report it. I think deep down most know their behavior is part of the equation."

"I think most of the 10% are feeling guilty about a one night stand and can't admit they are sluts."

It is like you people were beamed in from the 18th century....

It's a timely topic. Election coming up and Democrats need to promote the "War on Women.".

 

[Rikurzhen]

I read what you said and asked why you think it's a burden to take women at their word.

WHAT GAVE YOU THAT IMPRESSION?

You responded back on why it's a burden. In other words, you agreed with my premise.

How goddamned stupid are you? That's an ad arguedum response, I accept your premise in order to give you an answer to your question, not to declare that I believe your premise.

I'm sorry if you changed your mind, but I didn't force you to say what you said, and just because you have second thoughts about what you wrote, doesn't mean that I've victimized you, or something.

You know what, fuck off, you're not worth talking to, go play your games with someone else.

 

[Rikurzhen]

You have to listen to their voice and their actions. If a woman is serious with her no, you should be able to recognize it. Pull away when she says no and if she pulls you back, say no and see what she does. It isn't rocket science.

Now we're back to ambiguous territory. What if the women isn't serious with her no? I still prefer my response - get up and walk away. Make it cold, direct and unequivocal.