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Quite a farrago of lies.
The uneducated ....you......actually believe this, when every day, headlines, reveal the facts.
The Democrats must name you 'Employee of the Month.'
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Quite a farrago of lies.
The uneducated ....you......actually believe this, when every day, headlines, reveal the facts.
The Democrats must name you 'Employee of the Month.'
I have to admit, I've never actually read the Koran. I've tried but I find it unreadable. I've read summaries of what it contains.Thanks for the kind offer but I am fairly confident in the accuracy of my knowledge of history, religion, and science. I've been to one Muslim country and know more than a few Muslims in the US. I've also read a host of books on Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. You?alang, You are remarkably ignorant of both history and religion. Of course
you need not answer----but I am curious as to your background. Do you get
around and meet people of varying backgrounds much?. For the record---
you have no insight into the processes of evolution either. It is clear that you
missed or ignored biology in high school. Your concept of evolution is
LAMARCKIAN. Feel free to ask questions. My very own hubby was born
in a very arab/muslim country. Any questions on its "culture" and "glorious
history"-------feel free to ask----he is here
you have, clearly, read the wrong books. You understanding of evolution is kinda
comical. ' apes responded to the climate of Africa by standing upright ' ???
Islam "evolves" too? The Koran does not address rape of captive women?
maybe you should do some re-reading
Where does it address rape of captive women?
I don't believe neither the Koran nor the Bible are the words of God, they are the words of men who lived in a certain place at a certain time. As such, I don't see their morality as being fundamentally different.
sheeeesh you never read books that you imagine you either KNOW or can
DISCUSS? I did not memorize the Koran----I READ IT For chapter and
verse citations-------read the NOTES I do not cite chapter and verse of the
bible either------but I do know what is in the book and enough of Hebrew to
know what "other gods before me..." really means. It don't mean a whole bunch LINED UP BEHIND HIM-------. A better translation might be---something
like "don't throw a "god" of your making in my face" Islamic LAW (from the Koran) allows RAPE OF WOMEN OF THE ENEMY ----in fact, it is an accepted form of warfare. We call that ""rape"" Muhummad did it------and he always did
the exact right thing so it is not called a crime Islamic law is based mostlt on WHAT MUHUMMAD DID and to a lesser extent what he said.
An interesting reality is-------Jewish law is not based on the actions of any
historical person but on the writings of some people. To some extent Canon law is based on anything that the gospel writers attributed to Jesus. or their specific insights. Priests say "what would Jesus do" Imams say "what did muhummad do" Rabbis do not say "what would moses do"
As you would say: I never lie, show me one thing in this post that is not 100% correct.Did you read this:Thanks for the kind offer but I am fairly confident in the accuracy of my knowledge of history, religion, and science. I've been to one Muslim country and know more than a few Muslims in the US. I've also read a host of books on Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. You?alang, You are remarkably ignorant of both history and religion. Of course
you need not answer----but I am curious as to your background. Do you get
around and meet people of varying backgrounds much?. For the record---
you have no insight into the processes of evolution either. It is clear that you
missed or ignored biology in high school. Your concept of evolution is
LAMARCKIAN. Feel free to ask questions. My very own hubby was born
in a very arab/muslim country. Any questions on its "culture" and "glorious
history"-------feel free to ask----he is here
you have, clearly, read the wrong books. You understanding of evolution is kinda
comical. ' apes responded to the climate of Africa by standing upright ' ???
Islam "evolves" too? The Koran does not address rape of captive women?
maybe you should do some re-reading
He can't re-read what he has, clearly, never read.
Books are anathema to his sort.....there are born to follow orders.
He never read this:
. The Q'ran gives Muslims the go-ahead to rape infidel women.
"Female al-Azhar prof:
Allah allows Muslims to rape non-Muslim women
The seizure of Infidel girls and their use as sex slaves is sanctioned in the Qur’an. According to Islamic law, Muslim men can take “captives of the right hand” (Qur’an 4:3, 4:24, 33:50). The Qur’an says: “O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war” (33:50). 4:3 and 4:24 extend this privilege to Muslim men in general.
The Qur’an says that a man may have sex with his wives and with these slave girls: “The believers must (eventually) win through, those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess, for (in their case) they are free from blame.” (Qur’an 23:1-6)"
Female al-Azhar prof: Allah allows Muslims to rape non-Muslim women
“During Muhammad’s time, European slave girls were held out as sexual trophies to entice Muslims to fight. Indeed, Muhammad asked a new convert “Would you like the girls of Banu al-Asfar?” as a way to entice him to join the jihad and reap its rewards — which, in this case, included the possibility of enslaving and raping blonde Byzantine women — not as some idealistic discussion on beauty.” TRANSLATING ISLAM: Muslim Rapists Prefer Blondes By RAYMOND IBRAHIM - Yonkers Tribune.
Has there been a reformation as per the Judeo-Christina Bible? Is there a fatwa against the earlier entitlements????
Seems not.
In Islam, human sexuality is governed by God's law. Accordingly, sexual violation is regarded as a violation of moral and divine law.[1] Islam divided claims of sexual violation into 'divine rights' (huquq Allah) and 'interpersonal rights' (huquq al-'ibad): the former requiring divine punishment (hadd penalties) and the latter belonging to the more flexible human realm.[2]
Rape is considered a serious sexual crime in Islam. Classical Islamic law (Shari'a) regarded the crime of sexual violation as a coercive zina, and therefore a hadd offence.[1]
or this:
The truth about Muslims and sex slavery - according to the Koran, rather than Isis or Islamophobes
Like many myths about Islam, the Quran and Muslims, I've always heard the worst from Islamophobic extremists and Islamist extremists alike. They tend to share pretty much the same language, online content and perpetuate the same awful narratives about Muslims and their supposed religious practices.
As time wears on I’m starting to see these similarities are unavoidable – particularly online where it is rife. For example, this video of a female Muslim 'scholar' saying that men can have sex with female prisoners of war to ‘humiliate’ them has been shared widely on right-wing news sites and social media.
This narrative has been spread in the wake of recent sexual assault allegations in Cologne and reports of Isis fighters raping and selling sex slaves. It’s mainly been promoted by Donald Trump supporting anti-Muslim bigots, far-right extremists and people who’ll easily believe anything bad about Muslims.
Those sharing the video usually make unfounded claims that the 'North African/Arab' men accused of the Cologne assaults were motivated by a ‘Muslim background’. The video has been used as proof of a culturally ingrained mindset that all Muslims apparently possess, as well as claims that the Quran supposedly endorses raping women, in particular female slaves.
It’s worth noting the video has also been shared by Muslims who have strongly refuted and ostracised the scholar, reacting with disgust over this extreme view.
And they are right: rape and sexual violence is not permitted in Islamic texts. It is of course something that causes harm to other humans, which is not Halal (permissible) and, in early Muslim communities, rape was a crime punishable by death.
However, seeing as this myth isn’t about to go away with a few online condemnations, what scripture is being cited by extremists and has it been distorted? After all, there are billions of Muslims across the globe that aren’t going round capturing women to rape as sex slaves.
The main reference cited is Chapter 23:1-6 in the Quran. It reads:
“And successful are the believers who guard their chastity … except from their wives or those that their right hands possess.”
The reference is about sexual relations, which are forbidden with any woman unless she is a spouse or ‘those their right hands possess’. To be clear, this means a concubine, bondmaid or a slave, but intercourse has to be consensual. Rape is forbidden as it is violent, and Islamic texts legislated for the proper and honourable treatment of slaves.
Even consensual sexual relations with a slave were not permissible if it caused harm and abuse elsewhere (e.g. to a wife) as all parties involved would be affected.
Furthermore this is not an entitlement. Concubinage and interpersonal relations with various bondmaids/slaves was already occurring at the time the Quran came about and subsequent passages list restrictions as a starting point to help to bring about the end of slavery. In any case, marriage was encouraged (Chapter 24:32) with slaves.
In fact, slavery was never endorsed by Islamic texts; rather it was something inherited from pre-Islamic cultures (pre-600s) that needed to be voluntarily and gradually weeded out of society through manumission, which was highly encouraged (Chapters 24:32-33 & 16:71). Islamic texts list a plethora of avenues to free slaves, as it was seen as a highly virtuous act. It’s difficult to find any references on how to make slaves out of people; rather the focus is always on ending slavery.
Conveniently this is something the extremists ignore, and this example further enforces the point that religious illiteracy is a root cause of extremism. Islamophobic extremists as well as Islamist extremists (like Isis) who promote and validate sexual violence through unspecific passages in the Quran - or without context - do so to justify their own violent mindsets.
Quite a farrago of lies.
The uneducated ....you......actually believe this, when every day, headlines, reveal the facts.
The Democrats must name you 'Employee of the Month.'
Did you read this:Thanks for the kind offer but I am fairly confident in the accuracy of my knowledge of history, religion, and science. I've been to one Muslim country and know more than a few Muslims in the US. I've also read a host of books on Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. You?alang, You are remarkably ignorant of both history and religion. Of course
you need not answer----but I am curious as to your background. Do you get
around and meet people of varying backgrounds much?. For the record---
you have no insight into the processes of evolution either. It is clear that you
missed or ignored biology in high school. Your concept of evolution is
LAMARCKIAN. Feel free to ask questions. My very own hubby was born
in a very arab/muslim country. Any questions on its "culture" and "glorious
history"-------feel free to ask----he is here
you have, clearly, read the wrong books. You understanding of evolution is kinda
comical. ' apes responded to the climate of Africa by standing upright ' ???
Islam "evolves" too? The Koran does not address rape of captive women?
maybe you should do some re-reading
He can't re-read what he has, clearly, never read.
Books are anathema to his sort.....there are born to follow orders.
He never read this:
. The Q'ran gives Muslims the go-ahead to rape infidel women.
"Female al-Azhar prof:
Allah allows Muslims to rape non-Muslim women
The seizure of Infidel girls and their use as sex slaves is sanctioned in the Qur’an. According to Islamic law, Muslim men can take “captives of the right hand” (Qur’an 4:3, 4:24, 33:50). The Qur’an says: “O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war” (33:50). 4:3 and 4:24 extend this privilege to Muslim men in general.
The Qur’an says that a man may have sex with his wives and with these slave girls: “The believers must (eventually) win through, those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess, for (in their case) they are free from blame.” (Qur’an 23:1-6)"
Female al-Azhar prof: Allah allows Muslims to rape non-Muslim women
“During Muhammad’s time, European slave girls were held out as sexual trophies to entice Muslims to fight. Indeed, Muhammad asked a new convert “Would you like the girls of Banu al-Asfar?” as a way to entice him to join the jihad and reap its rewards — which, in this case, included the possibility of enslaving and raping blonde Byzantine women — not as some idealistic discussion on beauty.” TRANSLATING ISLAM: Muslim Rapists Prefer Blondes By RAYMOND IBRAHIM - Yonkers Tribune.
Has there been a reformation as per the Judeo-Christina Bible? Is there a fatwa against the earlier entitlements????
Seems not.
In Islam, human sexuality is governed by God's law. Accordingly, sexual violation is regarded as a violation of moral and divine law.[1] Islam divided claims of sexual violation into 'divine rights' (huquq Allah) and 'interpersonal rights' (huquq al-'ibad): the former requiring divine punishment (hadd penalties) and the latter belonging to the more flexible human realm.[2]
Rape is considered a serious sexual crime in Islam. Classical Islamic law (Shari'a) regarded the crime of sexual violation as a coercive zina, and therefore a hadd offence.[1]
or this:
The truth about Muslims and sex slavery - according to the Koran, rather than Isis or Islamophobes
Like many myths about Islam, the Quran and Muslims, I've always heard the worst from Islamophobic extremists and Islamist extremists alike. They tend to share pretty much the same language, online content and perpetuate the same awful narratives about Muslims and their supposed religious practices.
As time wears on I’m starting to see these similarities are unavoidable – particularly online where it is rife. For example, this video of a female Muslim 'scholar' saying that men can have sex with female prisoners of war to ‘humiliate’ them has been shared widely on right-wing news sites and social media.
This narrative has been spread in the wake of recent sexual assault allegations in Cologne and reports of Isis fighters raping and selling sex slaves. It’s mainly been promoted by Donald Trump supporting anti-Muslim bigots, far-right extremists and people who’ll easily believe anything bad about Muslims.
Those sharing the video usually make unfounded claims that the 'North African/Arab' men accused of the Cologne assaults were motivated by a ‘Muslim background’. The video has been used as proof of a culturally ingrained mindset that all Muslims apparently possess, as well as claims that the Quran supposedly endorses raping women, in particular female slaves.
It’s worth noting the video has also been shared by Muslims who have strongly refuted and ostracised the scholar, reacting with disgust over this extreme view.
And they are right: rape and sexual violence is not permitted in Islamic texts. It is of course something that causes harm to other humans, which is not Halal (permissible) and, in early Muslim communities, rape was a crime punishable by death.
However, seeing as this myth isn’t about to go away with a few online condemnations, what scripture is being cited by extremists and has it been distorted? After all, there are billions of Muslims across the globe that aren’t going round capturing women to rape as sex slaves.
The main reference cited is Chapter 23:1-6 in the Quran. It reads:
“And successful are the believers who guard their chastity … except from their wives or those that their right hands possess.”
The reference is about sexual relations, which are forbidden with any woman unless she is a spouse or ‘those their right hands possess’. To be clear, this means a concubine, bondmaid or a slave, but intercourse has to be consensual. Rape is forbidden as it is violent, and Islamic texts legislated for the proper and honourable treatment of slaves.
Even consensual sexual relations with a slave were not permissible if it caused harm and abuse elsewhere (e.g. to a wife) as all parties involved would be affected.
Furthermore this is not an entitlement. Concubinage and interpersonal relations with various bondmaids/slaves was already occurring at the time the Quran came about and subsequent passages list restrictions as a starting point to help to bring about the end of slavery. In any case, marriage was encouraged (Chapter 24:32) with slaves.
In fact, slavery was never endorsed by Islamic texts; rather it was something inherited from pre-Islamic cultures (pre-600s) that needed to be voluntarily and gradually weeded out of society through manumission, which was highly encouraged (Chapters 24:32-33 & 16:71). Islamic texts list a plethora of avenues to free slaves, as it was seen as a highly virtuous act. It’s difficult to find any references on how to make slaves out of people; rather the focus is always on ending slavery.
Conveniently this is something the extremists ignore, and this example further enforces the point that religious illiteracy is a root cause of extremism. Islamophobic extremists as well as Islamist extremists (like Isis) who promote and validate sexual violence through unspecific passages in the Quran - or without context - do so to justify their own violent mindsets.
you posted up Islamic propaganda. Have you ever met any Pakistanis?-----you cannot discuss this FACT with them (I could but not you) In the 1971
war between West Pakistan and East Pakistan, the West Pakistani army
raped an estimated 1/4 million East Pakistanis----both hindus and muslims.
-----do you IMAGINE any West Pakistani was prosecuted? ----nope----the
act was rendered LEGAL by an edict of TAKFIR by West Pakistani
legal scholars------the edict rendered all East Pakistanis KAFFIR which made
rape of the women ABSOLUTELY LEGAL. (I had close west Pakistani friends
back then....)
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As you would say: I never lie, show me one thing in this post that is not 100% correct.Did you read this:Thanks for the kind offer but I am fairly confident in the accuracy of my knowledge of history, religion, and science. I've been to one Muslim country and know more than a few Muslims in the US. I've also read a host of books on Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. You?
you have, clearly, read the wrong books. You understanding of evolution is kinda
comical. ' apes responded to the climate of Africa by standing upright ' ???
Islam "evolves" too? The Koran does not address rape of captive women?
maybe you should do some re-reading
He can't re-read what he has, clearly, never read.
Books are anathema to his sort.....there are born to follow orders.
He never read this:
. The Q'ran gives Muslims the go-ahead to rape infidel women.
"Female al-Azhar prof:
Allah allows Muslims to rape non-Muslim women
The seizure of Infidel girls and their use as sex slaves is sanctioned in the Qur’an. According to Islamic law, Muslim men can take “captives of the right hand” (Qur’an 4:3, 4:24, 33:50). The Qur’an says: “O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war” (33:50). 4:3 and 4:24 extend this privilege to Muslim men in general.
The Qur’an says that a man may have sex with his wives and with these slave girls: “The believers must (eventually) win through, those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess, for (in their case) they are free from blame.” (Qur’an 23:1-6)"
Female al-Azhar prof: Allah allows Muslims to rape non-Muslim women
“During Muhammad’s time, European slave girls were held out as sexual trophies to entice Muslims to fight. Indeed, Muhammad asked a new convert “Would you like the girls of Banu al-Asfar?” as a way to entice him to join the jihad and reap its rewards — which, in this case, included the possibility of enslaving and raping blonde Byzantine women — not as some idealistic discussion on beauty.” TRANSLATING ISLAM: Muslim Rapists Prefer Blondes By RAYMOND IBRAHIM - Yonkers Tribune.
Has there been a reformation as per the Judeo-Christina Bible? Is there a fatwa against the earlier entitlements????
Seems not.
In Islam, human sexuality is governed by God's law. Accordingly, sexual violation is regarded as a violation of moral and divine law.[1] Islam divided claims of sexual violation into 'divine rights' (huquq Allah) and 'interpersonal rights' (huquq al-'ibad): the former requiring divine punishment (hadd penalties) and the latter belonging to the more flexible human realm.[2]
Rape is considered a serious sexual crime in Islam. Classical Islamic law (Shari'a) regarded the crime of sexual violation as a coercive zina, and therefore a hadd offence.[1]
or this:
The truth about Muslims and sex slavery - according to the Koran, rather than Isis or Islamophobes
Like many myths about Islam, the Quran and Muslims, I've always heard the worst from Islamophobic extremists and Islamist extremists alike. They tend to share pretty much the same language, online content and perpetuate the same awful narratives about Muslims and their supposed religious practices.
As time wears on I’m starting to see these similarities are unavoidable – particularly online where it is rife. For example, this video of a female Muslim 'scholar' saying that men can have sex with female prisoners of war to ‘humiliate’ them has been shared widely on right-wing news sites and social media.
This narrative has been spread in the wake of recent sexual assault allegations in Cologne and reports of Isis fighters raping and selling sex slaves. It’s mainly been promoted by Donald Trump supporting anti-Muslim bigots, far-right extremists and people who’ll easily believe anything bad about Muslims.
Those sharing the video usually make unfounded claims that the 'North African/Arab' men accused of the Cologne assaults were motivated by a ‘Muslim background’. The video has been used as proof of a culturally ingrained mindset that all Muslims apparently possess, as well as claims that the Quran supposedly endorses raping women, in particular female slaves.
It’s worth noting the video has also been shared by Muslims who have strongly refuted and ostracised the scholar, reacting with disgust over this extreme view.
And they are right: rape and sexual violence is not permitted in Islamic texts. It is of course something that causes harm to other humans, which is not Halal (permissible) and, in early Muslim communities, rape was a crime punishable by death.
However, seeing as this myth isn’t about to go away with a few online condemnations, what scripture is being cited by extremists and has it been distorted? After all, there are billions of Muslims across the globe that aren’t going round capturing women to rape as sex slaves.
The main reference cited is Chapter 23:1-6 in the Quran. It reads:
“And successful are the believers who guard their chastity … except from their wives or those that their right hands possess.”
The reference is about sexual relations, which are forbidden with any woman unless she is a spouse or ‘those their right hands possess’. To be clear, this means a concubine, bondmaid or a slave, but intercourse has to be consensual. Rape is forbidden as it is violent, and Islamic texts legislated for the proper and honourable treatment of slaves.
Even consensual sexual relations with a slave were not permissible if it caused harm and abuse elsewhere (e.g. to a wife) as all parties involved would be affected.
Furthermore this is not an entitlement. Concubinage and interpersonal relations with various bondmaids/slaves was already occurring at the time the Quran came about and subsequent passages list restrictions as a starting point to help to bring about the end of slavery. In any case, marriage was encouraged (Chapter 24:32) with slaves.
In fact, slavery was never endorsed by Islamic texts; rather it was something inherited from pre-Islamic cultures (pre-600s) that needed to be voluntarily and gradually weeded out of society through manumission, which was highly encouraged (Chapters 24:32-33 & 16:71). Islamic texts list a plethora of avenues to free slaves, as it was seen as a highly virtuous act. It’s difficult to find any references on how to make slaves out of people; rather the focus is always on ending slavery.
Conveniently this is something the extremists ignore, and this example further enforces the point that religious illiteracy is a root cause of extremism. Islamophobic extremists as well as Islamist extremists (like Isis) who promote and validate sexual violence through unspecific passages in the Quran - or without context - do so to justify their own violent mindsets.
Quite a farrago of lies.
The uneducated ....you......actually believe this, when every day, headlines, reveal the facts.
The Democrats must name you 'Employee of the Month.'
"Even consensual sexual relations with a slave were not permissible if it caused harm and abuse elsewhere (e.g. to a wife) as all parties involved would be affected."
A total lie.
Rape is a perq for becoming a Muslim.
more Islamic propaganda. It is not difficult at all to find how ONE MAKES A SLAVE
IN ISLAMIC LAW My very own mother-in-law was rescued from slavery in the
Islamic country in which she was born------by the still on the books "DHIMMI ORPHAN LAW" Ataturk TRIED to get rid of the dhimmi orphan law in the
OTTOMAN EMPIRE------but he failed. Manumission of slaves in islam refers to
"BELIEVING" slaves----that means muslim slaves.
IN ISLAMIC LAW My very own mother-in-law was rescued from slavery in the
Islamic country in which she was born------by the still on the books "DHIMMI ORPHAN LAW" Ataturk TRIED to get rid of the dhimmi orphan law in the
OTTOMAN EMPIRE------but he failed. Manumission of slaves in islam refers to
"BELIEVING" slaves----that means muslim slaves.
As you would say: I never lie, show me one thing in this post that is not 100% correct.Did you read this:you have, clearly, read the wrong books. You understanding of evolution is kinda
comical. ' apes responded to the climate of Africa by standing upright ' ???
Islam "evolves" too? The Koran does not address rape of captive women?
maybe you should do some re-reading
He can't re-read what he has, clearly, never read.
Books are anathema to his sort.....there are born to follow orders.
He never read this:
. The Q'ran gives Muslims the go-ahead to rape infidel women.
"Female al-Azhar prof:
Allah allows Muslims to rape non-Muslim women
The seizure of Infidel girls and their use as sex slaves is sanctioned in the Qur’an. According to Islamic law, Muslim men can take “captives of the right hand” (Qur’an 4:3, 4:24, 33:50). The Qur’an says: “O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war” (33:50). 4:3 and 4:24 extend this privilege to Muslim men in general.
The Qur’an says that a man may have sex with his wives and with these slave girls: “The believers must (eventually) win through, those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess, for (in their case) they are free from blame.” (Qur’an 23:1-6)"
Female al-Azhar prof: Allah allows Muslims to rape non-Muslim women
“During Muhammad’s time, European slave girls were held out as sexual trophies to entice Muslims to fight. Indeed, Muhammad asked a new convert “Would you like the girls of Banu al-Asfar?” as a way to entice him to join the jihad and reap its rewards — which, in this case, included the possibility of enslaving and raping blonde Byzantine women — not as some idealistic discussion on beauty.” TRANSLATING ISLAM: Muslim Rapists Prefer Blondes By RAYMOND IBRAHIM - Yonkers Tribune.
Has there been a reformation as per the Judeo-Christina Bible? Is there a fatwa against the earlier entitlements????
Seems not.
In Islam, human sexuality is governed by God's law. Accordingly, sexual violation is regarded as a violation of moral and divine law.[1] Islam divided claims of sexual violation into 'divine rights' (huquq Allah) and 'interpersonal rights' (huquq al-'ibad): the former requiring divine punishment (hadd penalties) and the latter belonging to the more flexible human realm.[2]
Rape is considered a serious sexual crime in Islam. Classical Islamic law (Shari'a) regarded the crime of sexual violation as a coercive zina, and therefore a hadd offence.[1]
or this:
The truth about Muslims and sex slavery - according to the Koran, rather than Isis or Islamophobes
Like many myths about Islam, the Quran and Muslims, I've always heard the worst from Islamophobic extremists and Islamist extremists alike. They tend to share pretty much the same language, online content and perpetuate the same awful narratives about Muslims and their supposed religious practices.
As time wears on I’m starting to see these similarities are unavoidable – particularly online where it is rife. For example, this video of a female Muslim 'scholar' saying that men can have sex with female prisoners of war to ‘humiliate’ them has been shared widely on right-wing news sites and social media.
This narrative has been spread in the wake of recent sexual assault allegations in Cologne and reports of Isis fighters raping and selling sex slaves. It’s mainly been promoted by Donald Trump supporting anti-Muslim bigots, far-right extremists and people who’ll easily believe anything bad about Muslims.
Those sharing the video usually make unfounded claims that the 'North African/Arab' men accused of the Cologne assaults were motivated by a ‘Muslim background’. The video has been used as proof of a culturally ingrained mindset that all Muslims apparently possess, as well as claims that the Quran supposedly endorses raping women, in particular female slaves.
It’s worth noting the video has also been shared by Muslims who have strongly refuted and ostracised the scholar, reacting with disgust over this extreme view.
And they are right: rape and sexual violence is not permitted in Islamic texts. It is of course something that causes harm to other humans, which is not Halal (permissible) and, in early Muslim communities, rape was a crime punishable by death.
However, seeing as this myth isn’t about to go away with a few online condemnations, what scripture is being cited by extremists and has it been distorted? After all, there are billions of Muslims across the globe that aren’t going round capturing women to rape as sex slaves.
The main reference cited is Chapter 23:1-6 in the Quran. It reads:
“And successful are the believers who guard their chastity … except from their wives or those that their right hands possess.”
The reference is about sexual relations, which are forbidden with any woman unless she is a spouse or ‘those their right hands possess’. To be clear, this means a concubine, bondmaid or a slave, but intercourse has to be consensual. Rape is forbidden as it is violent, and Islamic texts legislated for the proper and honourable treatment of slaves.
Even consensual sexual relations with a slave were not permissible if it caused harm and abuse elsewhere (e.g. to a wife) as all parties involved would be affected.
Furthermore this is not an entitlement. Concubinage and interpersonal relations with various bondmaids/slaves was already occurring at the time the Quran came about and subsequent passages list restrictions as a starting point to help to bring about the end of slavery. In any case, marriage was encouraged (Chapter 24:32) with slaves.
In fact, slavery was never endorsed by Islamic texts; rather it was something inherited from pre-Islamic cultures (pre-600s) that needed to be voluntarily and gradually weeded out of society through manumission, which was highly encouraged (Chapters 24:32-33 & 16:71). Islamic texts list a plethora of avenues to free slaves, as it was seen as a highly virtuous act. It’s difficult to find any references on how to make slaves out of people; rather the focus is always on ending slavery.
Conveniently this is something the extremists ignore, and this example further enforces the point that religious illiteracy is a root cause of extremism. Islamophobic extremists as well as Islamist extremists (like Isis) who promote and validate sexual violence through unspecific passages in the Quran - or without context - do so to justify their own violent mindsets.
Quite a farrago of lies.
The uneducated ....you......actually believe this, when every day, headlines, reveal the facts.
The Democrats must name you 'Employee of the Month.'
"Even consensual sexual relations with a slave were not permissible if it caused harm and abuse elsewhere (e.g. to a wife) as all parties involved would be affected."
A total lie.
Rape is a perq for becoming a Muslim.
the local IMAM explained it to him.
Link or lie?"Even consensual sexual relations with a slave were not permissible if it caused harm and abuse elsewhere (e.g. to a wife) as all parties involved would be affected."
A total lie.
Rape is a perq for becoming a Muslim.
Here in the US it is probably rare to find a descendant of slaves without some White DNA. Was rape by Christian slave owners sanctioned by Christianity?Did you read this:Thanks for the kind offer but I am fairly confident in the accuracy of my knowledge of history, religion, and science. I've been to one Muslim country and know more than a few Muslims in the US. I've also read a host of books on Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. You?alang, You are remarkably ignorant of both history and religion. Of course
you need not answer----but I am curious as to your background. Do you get
around and meet people of varying backgrounds much?. For the record---
you have no insight into the processes of evolution either. It is clear that you
missed or ignored biology in high school. Your concept of evolution is
LAMARCKIAN. Feel free to ask questions. My very own hubby was born
in a very arab/muslim country. Any questions on its "culture" and "glorious
history"-------feel free to ask----he is here
you have, clearly, read the wrong books. You understanding of evolution is kinda
comical. ' apes responded to the climate of Africa by standing upright ' ???
Islam "evolves" too? The Koran does not address rape of captive women?
maybe you should do some re-reading
He can't re-read what he has, clearly, never read.
Books are anathema to his sort.....there are born to follow orders.
He never read this:
. The Q'ran gives Muslims the go-ahead to rape infidel women.
"Female al-Azhar prof:
Allah allows Muslims to rape non-Muslim women
The seizure of Infidel girls and their use as sex slaves is sanctioned in the Qur’an. According to Islamic law, Muslim men can take “captives of the right hand” (Qur’an 4:3, 4:24, 33:50). The Qur’an says: “O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war” (33:50). 4:3 and 4:24 extend this privilege to Muslim men in general.
The Qur’an says that a man may have sex with his wives and with these slave girls: “The believers must (eventually) win through, those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess, for (in their case) they are free from blame.” (Qur’an 23:1-6)"
Female al-Azhar prof: Allah allows Muslims to rape non-Muslim women
“During Muhammad’s time, European slave girls were held out as sexual trophies to entice Muslims to fight. Indeed, Muhammad asked a new convert “Would you like the girls of Banu al-Asfar?” as a way to entice him to join the jihad and reap its rewards — which, in this case, included the possibility of enslaving and raping blonde Byzantine women — not as some idealistic discussion on beauty.” TRANSLATING ISLAM: Muslim Rapists Prefer Blondes By RAYMOND IBRAHIM - Yonkers Tribune.
Has there been a reformation as per the Judeo-Christina Bible? Is there a fatwa against the earlier entitlements????
Seems not.
In Islam, human sexuality is governed by God's law. Accordingly, sexual violation is regarded as a violation of moral and divine law.[1] Islam divided claims of sexual violation into 'divine rights' (huquq Allah) and 'interpersonal rights' (huquq al-'ibad): the former requiring divine punishment (hadd penalties) and the latter belonging to the more flexible human realm.[2]
Rape is considered a serious sexual crime in Islam. Classical Islamic law (Shari'a) regarded the crime of sexual violation as a coercive zina, and therefore a hadd offence.[1]
or this:
The truth about Muslims and sex slavery - according to the Koran, rather than Isis or Islamophobes
Like many myths about Islam, the Quran and Muslims, I've always heard the worst from Islamophobic extremists and Islamist extremists alike. They tend to share pretty much the same language, online content and perpetuate the same awful narratives about Muslims and their supposed religious practices.
As time wears on I’m starting to see these similarities are unavoidable – particularly online where it is rife. For example, this video of a female Muslim 'scholar' saying that men can have sex with female prisoners of war to ‘humiliate’ them has been shared widely on right-wing news sites and social media.
This narrative has been spread in the wake of recent sexual assault allegations in Cologne and reports of Isis fighters raping and selling sex slaves. It’s mainly been promoted by Donald Trump supporting anti-Muslim bigots, far-right extremists and people who’ll easily believe anything bad about Muslims.
Those sharing the video usually make unfounded claims that the 'North African/Arab' men accused of the Cologne assaults were motivated by a ‘Muslim background’. The video has been used as proof of a culturally ingrained mindset that all Muslims apparently possess, as well as claims that the Quran supposedly endorses raping women, in particular female slaves.
It’s worth noting the video has also been shared by Muslims who have strongly refuted and ostracised the scholar, reacting with disgust over this extreme view.
And they are right: rape and sexual violence is not permitted in Islamic texts. It is of course something that causes harm to other humans, which is not Halal (permissible) and, in early Muslim communities, rape was a crime punishable by death.
However, seeing as this myth isn’t about to go away with a few online condemnations, what scripture is being cited by extremists and has it been distorted? After all, there are billions of Muslims across the globe that aren’t going round capturing women to rape as sex slaves.
The main reference cited is Chapter 23:1-6 in the Quran. It reads:
“And successful are the believers who guard their chastity … except from their wives or those that their right hands possess.”
The reference is about sexual relations, which are forbidden with any woman unless she is a spouse or ‘those their right hands possess’. To be clear, this means a concubine, bondmaid or a slave, but intercourse has to be consensual. Rape is forbidden as it is violent, and Islamic texts legislated for the proper and honourable treatment of slaves.
Even consensual sexual relations with a slave were not permissible if it caused harm and abuse elsewhere (e.g. to a wife) as all parties involved would be affected.
Furthermore this is not an entitlement. Concubinage and interpersonal relations with various bondmaids/slaves was already occurring at the time the Quran came about and subsequent passages list restrictions as a starting point to help to bring about the end of slavery. In any case, marriage was encouraged (Chapter 24:32) with slaves.
In fact, slavery was never endorsed by Islamic texts; rather it was something inherited from pre-Islamic cultures (pre-600s) that needed to be voluntarily and gradually weeded out of society through manumission, which was highly encouraged (Chapters 24:32-33 & 16:71). Islamic texts list a plethora of avenues to free slaves, as it was seen as a highly virtuous act. It’s difficult to find any references on how to make slaves out of people; rather the focus is always on ending slavery.
Conveniently this is something the extremists ignore, and this example further enforces the point that religious illiteracy is a root cause of extremism. Islamophobic extremists as well as Islamist extremists (like Isis) who promote and validate sexual violence through unspecific passages in the Quran - or without context - do so to justify their own violent mindsets.
you posted up Islamic propaganda. Have you ever met any Pakistanis?-----you cannot discuss this FACT with them (I could but not you) In the 1971
war between West Pakistan and East Pakistan, the West Pakistani army
raped an estimated 1/4 million East Pakistanis----both hindus and muslims.
-----do you IMAGINE any West Pakistani was prosecuted? ----nope----the
act was rendered LEGAL by an edict of TAKFIR by West Pakistani
legal scholars------the edict rendered all East Pakistanis KAFFIR which made
rape of the women ABSOLUTELY LEGAL. (I had close west Pakistani friends
back then....)
I hadn't heard this story:Did you read this:Thanks for the kind offer but I am fairly confident in the accuracy of my knowledge of history, religion, and science. I've been to one Muslim country and know more than a few Muslims in the US. I've also read a host of books on Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. You?alang, You are remarkably ignorant of both history and religion. Of course
you need not answer----but I am curious as to your background. Do you get
around and meet people of varying backgrounds much?. For the record---
you have no insight into the processes of evolution either. It is clear that you
missed or ignored biology in high school. Your concept of evolution is
LAMARCKIAN. Feel free to ask questions. My very own hubby was born
in a very arab/muslim country. Any questions on its "culture" and "glorious
history"-------feel free to ask----he is here
you have, clearly, read the wrong books. You understanding of evolution is kinda
comical. ' apes responded to the climate of Africa by standing upright ' ???
Islam "evolves" too? The Koran does not address rape of captive women?
maybe you should do some re-reading
He can't re-read what he has, clearly, never read.
Books are anathema to his sort.....there are born to follow orders.
He never read this:
. The Q'ran gives Muslims the go-ahead to rape infidel women.
"Female al-Azhar prof:
Allah allows Muslims to rape non-Muslim women
The seizure of Infidel girls and their use as sex slaves is sanctioned in the Qur’an. According to Islamic law, Muslim men can take “captives of the right hand” (Qur’an 4:3, 4:24, 33:50). The Qur’an says: “O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war” (33:50). 4:3 and 4:24 extend this privilege to Muslim men in general.
The Qur’an says that a man may have sex with his wives and with these slave girls: “The believers must (eventually) win through, those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess, for (in their case) they are free from blame.” (Qur’an 23:1-6)"
Female al-Azhar prof: Allah allows Muslims to rape non-Muslim women
“During Muhammad’s time, European slave girls were held out as sexual trophies to entice Muslims to fight. Indeed, Muhammad asked a new convert “Would you like the girls of Banu al-Asfar?” as a way to entice him to join the jihad and reap its rewards — which, in this case, included the possibility of enslaving and raping blonde Byzantine women — not as some idealistic discussion on beauty.” TRANSLATING ISLAM: Muslim Rapists Prefer Blondes By RAYMOND IBRAHIM - Yonkers Tribune.
Has there been a reformation as per the Judeo-Christina Bible? Is there a fatwa against the earlier entitlements????
Seems not.
In Islam, human sexuality is governed by God's law. Accordingly, sexual violation is regarded as a violation of moral and divine law.[1] Islam divided claims of sexual violation into 'divine rights' (huquq Allah) and 'interpersonal rights' (huquq al-'ibad): the former requiring divine punishment (hadd penalties) and the latter belonging to the more flexible human realm.[2]
Rape is considered a serious sexual crime in Islam. Classical Islamic law (Shari'a) regarded the crime of sexual violation as a coercive zina, and therefore a hadd offence.[1]
or this:
The truth about Muslims and sex slavery - according to the Koran, rather than Isis or Islamophobes
Like many myths about Islam, the Quran and Muslims, I've always heard the worst from Islamophobic extremists and Islamist extremists alike. They tend to share pretty much the same language, online content and perpetuate the same awful narratives about Muslims and their supposed religious practices.
As time wears on I’m starting to see these similarities are unavoidable – particularly online where it is rife. For example, this video of a female Muslim 'scholar' saying that men can have sex with female prisoners of war to ‘humiliate’ them has been shared widely on right-wing news sites and social media.
This narrative has been spread in the wake of recent sexual assault allegations in Cologne and reports of Isis fighters raping and selling sex slaves. It’s mainly been promoted by Donald Trump supporting anti-Muslim bigots, far-right extremists and people who’ll easily believe anything bad about Muslims.
Those sharing the video usually make unfounded claims that the 'North African/Arab' men accused of the Cologne assaults were motivated by a ‘Muslim background’. The video has been used as proof of a culturally ingrained mindset that all Muslims apparently possess, as well as claims that the Quran supposedly endorses raping women, in particular female slaves.
It’s worth noting the video has also been shared by Muslims who have strongly refuted and ostracised the scholar, reacting with disgust over this extreme view.
And they are right: rape and sexual violence is not permitted in Islamic texts. It is of course something that causes harm to other humans, which is not Halal (permissible) and, in early Muslim communities, rape was a crime punishable by death.
However, seeing as this myth isn’t about to go away with a few online condemnations, what scripture is being cited by extremists and has it been distorted? After all, there are billions of Muslims across the globe that aren’t going round capturing women to rape as sex slaves.
The main reference cited is Chapter 23:1-6 in the Quran. It reads:
“And successful are the believers who guard their chastity … except from their wives or those that their right hands possess.”
The reference is about sexual relations, which are forbidden with any woman unless she is a spouse or ‘those their right hands possess’. To be clear, this means a concubine, bondmaid or a slave, but intercourse has to be consensual. Rape is forbidden as it is violent, and Islamic texts legislated for the proper and honourable treatment of slaves.
Even consensual sexual relations with a slave were not permissible if it caused harm and abuse elsewhere (e.g. to a wife) as all parties involved would be affected.
Furthermore this is not an entitlement. Concubinage and interpersonal relations with various bondmaids/slaves was already occurring at the time the Quran came about and subsequent passages list restrictions as a starting point to help to bring about the end of slavery. In any case, marriage was encouraged (Chapter 24:32) with slaves.
In fact, slavery was never endorsed by Islamic texts; rather it was something inherited from pre-Islamic cultures (pre-600s) that needed to be voluntarily and gradually weeded out of society through manumission, which was highly encouraged (Chapters 24:32-33 & 16:71). Islamic texts list a plethora of avenues to free slaves, as it was seen as a highly virtuous act. It’s difficult to find any references on how to make slaves out of people; rather the focus is always on ending slavery.
Conveniently this is something the extremists ignore, and this example further enforces the point that religious illiteracy is a root cause of extremism. Islamophobic extremists as well as Islamist extremists (like Isis) who promote and validate sexual violence through unspecific passages in the Quran - or without context - do so to justify their own violent mindsets.
you posted up Islamic propaganda. Have you ever met any Pakistanis?-----you cannot discuss this FACT with them (I could but not you) In the 1971
war between West Pakistan and East Pakistan, the West Pakistani army
raped an estimated 1/4 million East Pakistanis----both hindus and muslims.
-----do you IMAGINE any West Pakistani was prosecuted? ----nope----the
act was rendered LEGAL by an edict of TAKFIR by West Pakistani
legal scholars------the edict rendered all East Pakistanis KAFFIR which made
rape of the women ABSOLUTELY LEGAL. (I had close west Pakistani friends
back then....)
Takfir has been used[by whom?] against the Ahmadiyya, who describe themselves as Muslims but who many Muslims and Islamic scholars believe reject the doctrine of Khatam an-Nabiyyin, i.e. the belief that Muhammad was the last and final Prophet and Messenger of God, after whom there can be no other Prophet or Messenger. In 1974 Pakistan amended its constitution to declare Ahmadis as non-Muslims. In 1984, General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, the then military ruler of Pakistan, issued Ordinance XX,[12][13] forbidding Ahmadis to call themselves Muslim. As a result, they are not allowed to profess the Islamic creed publicly or to call their places of worship mosques,[14] to worship in non-Ahmadi mosques or public prayer-rooms, to perform the Muslim call to prayer, to use the traditional Islamic greeting in public, to publicly quote from the Quran, to preach in public, to seek converts, or to produce, publish, and disseminate their religious materials.
Local ulama (Islamic scholars) have declared takfir on another group in Pakistan, the Zikri of Makran in Balochistan. The Zikri believe that Syed Muhammad Jaunpuri (born in 1443) was the Mahdi (redeemer) of Islam. In 1978 the ulama founded a movement (Tehrik Khatm-e-Nabuat) to have the Pakistan state declare the Zikris as non-Muslims, like the Ahmadis.[15]
Local ulama (Islamic scholars) have declared takfir on another group in Pakistan, the Zikri of Makran in Balochistan. The Zikri believe that Syed Muhammad Jaunpuri (born in 1443) was the Mahdi (redeemer) of Islam. In 1978 the ulama founded a movement (Tehrik Khatm-e-Nabuat) to have the Pakistan state declare the Zikris as non-Muslims, like the Ahmadis.[15]
Sounds a lot like the history of Mormonism in the US. Alas it is not an uncommon story:
Since the onset of the insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir in 1988, rape has been used as a weapon of war by Indian security forces; comprising the Indian Army,[1] Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) and Border Security personnel, against the Kashmiri population.[2][3][4] The numerous rapes of Kashmiri Muslim women by Indian state forces is generally ignored.[5] Many women have become victims of rape and sexual assault in the conflict. According to scholar Seema Kazi, separatist militants have also committed rape to some extent, although not comparable in scale with that by the Indian state forces.[6][7]
There have been events of mass rape also in the history of Kashmir conflict, which include the ones carried out by Dogra troops as well as Hindu and Sikh mobs,[8][9] and by Pakistani armed tribesmen when the conflict broke out in 1947.[10]
There have been events of mass rape also in the history of Kashmir conflict, which include the ones carried out by Dogra troops as well as Hindu and Sikh mobs,[8][9] and by Pakistani armed tribesmen when the conflict broke out in 1947.[10]
- Thread starter
- #91
Link or lie?"Even consensual sexual relations with a slave were not permissible if it caused harm and abuse elsewhere (e.g. to a wife) as all parties involved would be affected."
A total lie.
Rape is a perq for becoming a Muslim.
I was hoping some dunce would ask....and you live to fulfill that role.
QADIYA, Iraq — In the moments before he raped the 12-year-old girl, the Islamic State fighter took the time to explain that what he was about to do was not a sin. Because the preteen girl practiced a religion other than Islam, the Quran not only gave him the right to rape her — it condoned and encouraged it, he insisted.
He bound her hands and gagged her. Then he knelt beside the bed and prostrated himself in prayer before getting on top of her.
When it was over, he knelt to pray again, bookending the rape with acts of religious devotion.
“I kept telling him it hurts — please stop,” said the girl, whose body is so small an adult could circle her waist with two hands. “He told me that according to Islam he is allowed to rape an unbeliever. He said that by raping me, he is drawing closer to God,” she said in an interview alongside her family in a refugee camp here, to which she escaped after 11 months of captivity. ISIS Enshrines a Theology of Rape
Islamic State militant Amar Hussein says he reads the Koran all day in his tiny jail cell to become a better person. He also says he raped more than 200 women from Iraqi minorities, and shows few regrets…Captured ISIS soldier: Rape of Yazidi women 'is normal'
- Thread starter
- #92
Here in the US it is probably rare to find a descendant of slaves without some White DNA. Was rape by Christian slave owners sanctioned by Christianity?Did you read this:Thanks for the kind offer but I am fairly confident in the accuracy of my knowledge of history, religion, and science. I've been to one Muslim country and know more than a few Muslims in the US. I've also read a host of books on Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. You?
you have, clearly, read the wrong books. You understanding of evolution is kinda
comical. ' apes responded to the climate of Africa by standing upright ' ???
Islam "evolves" too? The Koran does not address rape of captive women?
maybe you should do some re-reading
He can't re-read what he has, clearly, never read.
Books are anathema to his sort.....there are born to follow orders.
He never read this:
. The Q'ran gives Muslims the go-ahead to rape infidel women.
"Female al-Azhar prof:
Allah allows Muslims to rape non-Muslim women
The seizure of Infidel girls and their use as sex slaves is sanctioned in the Qur’an. According to Islamic law, Muslim men can take “captives of the right hand” (Qur’an 4:3, 4:24, 33:50). The Qur’an says: “O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war” (33:50). 4:3 and 4:24 extend this privilege to Muslim men in general.
The Qur’an says that a man may have sex with his wives and with these slave girls: “The believers must (eventually) win through, those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess, for (in their case) they are free from blame.” (Qur’an 23:1-6)"
Female al-Azhar prof: Allah allows Muslims to rape non-Muslim women
“During Muhammad’s time, European slave girls were held out as sexual trophies to entice Muslims to fight. Indeed, Muhammad asked a new convert “Would you like the girls of Banu al-Asfar?” as a way to entice him to join the jihad and reap its rewards — which, in this case, included the possibility of enslaving and raping blonde Byzantine women — not as some idealistic discussion on beauty.” TRANSLATING ISLAM: Muslim Rapists Prefer Blondes By RAYMOND IBRAHIM - Yonkers Tribune.
Has there been a reformation as per the Judeo-Christina Bible? Is there a fatwa against the earlier entitlements????
Seems not.
In Islam, human sexuality is governed by God's law. Accordingly, sexual violation is regarded as a violation of moral and divine law.[1] Islam divided claims of sexual violation into 'divine rights' (huquq Allah) and 'interpersonal rights' (huquq al-'ibad): the former requiring divine punishment (hadd penalties) and the latter belonging to the more flexible human realm.[2]
Rape is considered a serious sexual crime in Islam. Classical Islamic law (Shari'a) regarded the crime of sexual violation as a coercive zina, and therefore a hadd offence.[1]
or this:
The truth about Muslims and sex slavery - according to the Koran, rather than Isis or Islamophobes
Like many myths about Islam, the Quran and Muslims, I've always heard the worst from Islamophobic extremists and Islamist extremists alike. They tend to share pretty much the same language, online content and perpetuate the same awful narratives about Muslims and their supposed religious practices.
As time wears on I’m starting to see these similarities are unavoidable – particularly online where it is rife. For example, this video of a female Muslim 'scholar' saying that men can have sex with female prisoners of war to ‘humiliate’ them has been shared widely on right-wing news sites and social media.
This narrative has been spread in the wake of recent sexual assault allegations in Cologne and reports of Isis fighters raping and selling sex slaves. It’s mainly been promoted by Donald Trump supporting anti-Muslim bigots, far-right extremists and people who’ll easily believe anything bad about Muslims.
Those sharing the video usually make unfounded claims that the 'North African/Arab' men accused of the Cologne assaults were motivated by a ‘Muslim background’. The video has been used as proof of a culturally ingrained mindset that all Muslims apparently possess, as well as claims that the Quran supposedly endorses raping women, in particular female slaves.
It’s worth noting the video has also been shared by Muslims who have strongly refuted and ostracised the scholar, reacting with disgust over this extreme view.
And they are right: rape and sexual violence is not permitted in Islamic texts. It is of course something that causes harm to other humans, which is not Halal (permissible) and, in early Muslim communities, rape was a crime punishable by death.
However, seeing as this myth isn’t about to go away with a few online condemnations, what scripture is being cited by extremists and has it been distorted? After all, there are billions of Muslims across the globe that aren’t going round capturing women to rape as sex slaves.
The main reference cited is Chapter 23:1-6 in the Quran. It reads:
“And successful are the believers who guard their chastity … except from their wives or those that their right hands possess.”
The reference is about sexual relations, which are forbidden with any woman unless she is a spouse or ‘those their right hands possess’. To be clear, this means a concubine, bondmaid or a slave, but intercourse has to be consensual. Rape is forbidden as it is violent, and Islamic texts legislated for the proper and honourable treatment of slaves.
Even consensual sexual relations with a slave were not permissible if it caused harm and abuse elsewhere (e.g. to a wife) as all parties involved would be affected.
Furthermore this is not an entitlement. Concubinage and interpersonal relations with various bondmaids/slaves was already occurring at the time the Quran came about and subsequent passages list restrictions as a starting point to help to bring about the end of slavery. In any case, marriage was encouraged (Chapter 24:32) with slaves.
In fact, slavery was never endorsed by Islamic texts; rather it was something inherited from pre-Islamic cultures (pre-600s) that needed to be voluntarily and gradually weeded out of society through manumission, which was highly encouraged (Chapters 24:32-33 & 16:71). Islamic texts list a plethora of avenues to free slaves, as it was seen as a highly virtuous act. It’s difficult to find any references on how to make slaves out of people; rather the focus is always on ending slavery.
Conveniently this is something the extremists ignore, and this example further enforces the point that religious illiteracy is a root cause of extremism. Islamophobic extremists as well as Islamist extremists (like Isis) who promote and validate sexual violence through unspecific passages in the Quran - or without context - do so to justify their own violent mindsets.
you posted up Islamic propaganda. Have you ever met any Pakistanis?-----you cannot discuss this FACT with them (I could but not you) In the 1971
war between West Pakistan and East Pakistan, the West Pakistani army
raped an estimated 1/4 million East Pakistanis----both hindus and muslims.
-----do you IMAGINE any West Pakistani was prosecuted? ----nope----the
act was rendered LEGAL by an edict of TAKFIR by West Pakistani
legal scholars------the edict rendered all East Pakistanis KAFFIR which made
rape of the women ABSOLUTELY LEGAL. (I had close west Pakistani friends
back then....)
Does 'probably' mean you simply made that up?
Of the billion Muslims on the planet, how many have joined ISIS?Link or lie?"Even consensual sexual relations with a slave were not permissible if it caused harm and abuse elsewhere (e.g. to a wife) as all parties involved would be affected."
A total lie.
Rape is a perq for becoming a Muslim.
I was hoping some dunce would ask....and you live to fulfill that role.
QADIYA, Iraq — In the moments before he raped the 12-year-old girl, the Islamic State fighter took the time to explain that what he was about to do was not a sin. Because the preteen girl practiced a religion other than Islam, the Quran not only gave him the right to rape her — it condoned and encouraged it, he insisted.
He bound her hands and gagged her. Then he knelt beside the bed and prostrated himself in prayer before getting on top of her.
When it was over, he knelt to pray again, bookending the rape with acts of religious devotion.
“I kept telling him it hurts — please stop,” said the girl, whose body is so small an adult could circle her waist with two hands. “He told me that according to Islam he is allowed to rape an unbeliever. He said that by raping me, he is drawing closer to God,” she said in an interview alongside her family in a refugee camp here, to which she escaped after 11 months of captivity. ISIS Enshrines a Theology of Rape
Islamic State militant Amar Hussein says he reads the Koran all day in his tiny jail cell to become a better person. He also says he raped more than 200 women from Iraqi minorities, and shows few regrets…Captured ISIS soldier: Rape of Yazidi women 'is normal'
Those White Christian slave owners viewed their slaves in pretty much the same way.
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- #94
Of the billion Muslims on the planet, how many have joined ISIS?Link or lie?"Even consensual sexual relations with a slave were not permissible if it caused harm and abuse elsewhere (e.g. to a wife) as all parties involved would be affected."
A total lie.
Rape is a perq for becoming a Muslim.
I was hoping some dunce would ask....and you live to fulfill that role.
QADIYA, Iraq — In the moments before he raped the 12-year-old girl, the Islamic State fighter took the time to explain that what he was about to do was not a sin. Because the preteen girl practiced a religion other than Islam, the Quran not only gave him the right to rape her — it condoned and encouraged it, he insisted.
He bound her hands and gagged her. Then he knelt beside the bed and prostrated himself in prayer before getting on top of her.
When it was over, he knelt to pray again, bookending the rape with acts of religious devotion.
“I kept telling him it hurts — please stop,” said the girl, whose body is so small an adult could circle her waist with two hands. “He told me that according to Islam he is allowed to rape an unbeliever. He said that by raping me, he is drawing closer to God,” she said in an interview alongside her family in a refugee camp here, to which she escaped after 11 months of captivity. ISIS Enshrines a Theology of Rape
Islamic State militant Amar Hussein says he reads the Koran all day in his tiny jail cell to become a better person. He also says he raped more than 200 women from Iraqi minorities, and shows few regrets…Captured ISIS soldier: Rape of Yazidi women 'is normal'
Those White Christian slave owners viewed their slaves in pretty much the same way.
Why?
Are all Muslim killers and rapists in ISIS???
Islam is a peaceful religion because most Muslims live peacefully and that only a "tiny minority of extremists" practice violence? That's like saying that White supremacy must be perfectly fine since only a tiny minority of racists ever hurt anyone. Neither does it explain why religious violence is largely endemic to Islam, despite the tremendous persecution of religious minorities in Muslim countries.
In truth, even a tiny minority of "1%" of Muslims worldwide translates to 15 million believers - which is hardly an insignificant number. However, the "minority" of Muslims who approve of terrorists, their goals, or their means of achieving them
40% of Indonesians approve of violence in defense of Islam.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailweekly.asp?fileid=20060728.@03 https://muslimstatistics.wordpress.com/2014/10/06/violence-in-defense-of-islam-statistics/
Pew Global: 68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
13% of Indonesian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
12% of Jordanian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
7% of Muslim Israelis say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
Muslim Opinion Polls
*much more here:
Muslim Opinion Polls
No 'probably' meant I didn't think it was necessary to document it. I have to admit I was wrong when I said it was rare. But since you asked:Does 'probably' mean you simply made that up?Here in the US it is probably rare to find a descendant of slaves without some White DNA. Was rape by Christian slave owners sanctioned by Christianity?
The researchers first looked at what fraction of African Americans’ genetic ancestry could be traced back to Africa. Not surprisingly, the data shows that, for most African Americans, the majority of their DNA comes from African ancestors. The results also show that essentially all African Americans have some European ancestry ancestry as well. The genetic mix of African and European DNA, however, follows a striking geographical trend: African Americans living in Southern states have more African DNA (83 percent) than those living in other areas of the country (80 percent). Conversely, African Americans outside the South have a larger fraction of European DNA. Even within the South, this trend holds: Blacks in Florida and South Carolina have more African DNA than those living in Kentucky and Virginia.
I hadn't heard this story:Did you read this:Thanks for the kind offer but I am fairly confident in the accuracy of my knowledge of history, religion, and science. I've been to one Muslim country and know more than a few Muslims in the US. I've also read a host of books on Islam, Judaism, and Christianity. You?
you have, clearly, read the wrong books. You understanding of evolution is kinda
comical. ' apes responded to the climate of Africa by standing upright ' ???
Islam "evolves" too? The Koran does not address rape of captive women?
maybe you should do some re-reading
He can't re-read what he has, clearly, never read.
Books are anathema to his sort.....there are born to follow orders.
He never read this:
. The Q'ran gives Muslims the go-ahead to rape infidel women.
"Female al-Azhar prof:
Allah allows Muslims to rape non-Muslim women
The seizure of Infidel girls and their use as sex slaves is sanctioned in the Qur’an. According to Islamic law, Muslim men can take “captives of the right hand” (Qur’an 4:3, 4:24, 33:50). The Qur’an says: “O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war” (33:50). 4:3 and 4:24 extend this privilege to Muslim men in general.
The Qur’an says that a man may have sex with his wives and with these slave girls: “The believers must (eventually) win through, those who humble themselves in their prayers; who avoid vain talk; who are active in deeds of charity; who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess, for (in their case) they are free from blame.” (Qur’an 23:1-6)"
Female al-Azhar prof: Allah allows Muslims to rape non-Muslim women
“During Muhammad’s time, European slave girls were held out as sexual trophies to entice Muslims to fight. Indeed, Muhammad asked a new convert “Would you like the girls of Banu al-Asfar?” as a way to entice him to join the jihad and reap its rewards — which, in this case, included the possibility of enslaving and raping blonde Byzantine women — not as some idealistic discussion on beauty.” TRANSLATING ISLAM: Muslim Rapists Prefer Blondes By RAYMOND IBRAHIM - Yonkers Tribune.
Has there been a reformation as per the Judeo-Christina Bible? Is there a fatwa against the earlier entitlements????
Seems not.
In Islam, human sexuality is governed by God's law. Accordingly, sexual violation is regarded as a violation of moral and divine law.[1] Islam divided claims of sexual violation into 'divine rights' (huquq Allah) and 'interpersonal rights' (huquq al-'ibad): the former requiring divine punishment (hadd penalties) and the latter belonging to the more flexible human realm.[2]
Rape is considered a serious sexual crime in Islam. Classical Islamic law (Shari'a) regarded the crime of sexual violation as a coercive zina, and therefore a hadd offence.[1]
or this:
The truth about Muslims and sex slavery - according to the Koran, rather than Isis or Islamophobes
Like many myths about Islam, the Quran and Muslims, I've always heard the worst from Islamophobic extremists and Islamist extremists alike. They tend to share pretty much the same language, online content and perpetuate the same awful narratives about Muslims and their supposed religious practices.
As time wears on I’m starting to see these similarities are unavoidable – particularly online where it is rife. For example, this video of a female Muslim 'scholar' saying that men can have sex with female prisoners of war to ‘humiliate’ them has been shared widely on right-wing news sites and social media.
This narrative has been spread in the wake of recent sexual assault allegations in Cologne and reports of Isis fighters raping and selling sex slaves. It’s mainly been promoted by Donald Trump supporting anti-Muslim bigots, far-right extremists and people who’ll easily believe anything bad about Muslims.
Those sharing the video usually make unfounded claims that the 'North African/Arab' men accused of the Cologne assaults were motivated by a ‘Muslim background’. The video has been used as proof of a culturally ingrained mindset that all Muslims apparently possess, as well as claims that the Quran supposedly endorses raping women, in particular female slaves.
It’s worth noting the video has also been shared by Muslims who have strongly refuted and ostracised the scholar, reacting with disgust over this extreme view.
And they are right: rape and sexual violence is not permitted in Islamic texts. It is of course something that causes harm to other humans, which is not Halal (permissible) and, in early Muslim communities, rape was a crime punishable by death.
However, seeing as this myth isn’t about to go away with a few online condemnations, what scripture is being cited by extremists and has it been distorted? After all, there are billions of Muslims across the globe that aren’t going round capturing women to rape as sex slaves.
The main reference cited is Chapter 23:1-6 in the Quran. It reads:
“And successful are the believers who guard their chastity … except from their wives or those that their right hands possess.”
The reference is about sexual relations, which are forbidden with any woman unless she is a spouse or ‘those their right hands possess’. To be clear, this means a concubine, bondmaid or a slave, but intercourse has to be consensual. Rape is forbidden as it is violent, and Islamic texts legislated for the proper and honourable treatment of slaves.
Even consensual sexual relations with a slave were not permissible if it caused harm and abuse elsewhere (e.g. to a wife) as all parties involved would be affected.
Furthermore this is not an entitlement. Concubinage and interpersonal relations with various bondmaids/slaves was already occurring at the time the Quran came about and subsequent passages list restrictions as a starting point to help to bring about the end of slavery. In any case, marriage was encouraged (Chapter 24:32) with slaves.
In fact, slavery was never endorsed by Islamic texts; rather it was something inherited from pre-Islamic cultures (pre-600s) that needed to be voluntarily and gradually weeded out of society through manumission, which was highly encouraged (Chapters 24:32-33 & 16:71). Islamic texts list a plethora of avenues to free slaves, as it was seen as a highly virtuous act. It’s difficult to find any references on how to make slaves out of people; rather the focus is always on ending slavery.
Conveniently this is something the extremists ignore, and this example further enforces the point that religious illiteracy is a root cause of extremism. Islamophobic extremists as well as Islamist extremists (like Isis) who promote and validate sexual violence through unspecific passages in the Quran - or without context - do so to justify their own violent mindsets.
you posted up Islamic propaganda. Have you ever met any Pakistanis?-----you cannot discuss this FACT with them (I could but not you) In the 1971
war between West Pakistan and East Pakistan, the West Pakistani army
raped an estimated 1/4 million East Pakistanis----both hindus and muslims.
-----do you IMAGINE any West Pakistani was prosecuted? ----nope----the
act was rendered LEGAL by an edict of TAKFIR by West Pakistani
legal scholars------the edict rendered all East Pakistanis KAFFIR which made
rape of the women ABSOLUTELY LEGAL. (I had close west Pakistani friends
back then....)
Takfir has been used[by whom?] against the Ahmadiyya, who describe themselves as Muslims but who many Muslims and Islamic scholars believe reject the doctrine of Khatam an-Nabiyyin, i.e. the belief that Muhammad was the last and final Prophet and Messenger of God, after whom there can be no other Prophet or Messenger. In 1974 Pakistan amended its constitution to declare Ahmadis as non-Muslims. In 1984, General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, the then military ruler of Pakistan, issued Ordinance XX,[12][13] forbidding Ahmadis to call themselves Muslim. As a result, they are not allowed to profess the Islamic creed publicly or to call their places of worship mosques,[14] to worship in non-Ahmadi mosques or public prayer-rooms, to perform the Muslim call to prayer, to use the traditional Islamic greeting in public, to publicly quote from the Quran, to preach in public, to seek converts, or to produce, publish, and disseminate their religious materials.
Local ulama (Islamic scholars) have declared takfir on another group in Pakistan, the Zikri of Makran in Balochistan. The Zikri believe that Syed Muhammad Jaunpuri (born in 1443) was the Mahdi (redeemer) of Islam. In 1978 the ulama founded a movement (Tehrik Khatm-e-Nabuat) to have the Pakistan state declare the Zikris as non-Muslims, like the Ahmadis.[15]
Sounds a lot like the history of Mormonism in the US. Alas it is not an uncommon story:
Since the onset of the insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir in 1988, rape has been used as a weapon of war by Indian security forces; comprising the Indian Army,[1] Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) and Border Security personnel, against the Kashmiri population.[2][3][4] The numerous rapes of Kashmiri Muslim women by Indian state forces is generally ignored.[5] Many women have become victims of rape and sexual assault in the conflict. According to scholar Seema Kazi, separatist militants have also committed rape to some extent, although not comparable in scale with that by the Indian state forces.[6][7]
There have been events of mass rape also in the history of Kashmir conflict, which include the ones carried out by Dogra troops as well as Hindu and Sikh mobs,[8][9] and by Pakistani armed tribesmen when the conflict broke out in 1947.[10]
oh you dug deep and found some ACCUSATIONS of rape against hindus and Sikhs. Try reading your own sources------lots more rape by muslims than upon
them. You seem to like to cite sources that you do not, yourself, READ. In Islamic law rape of a NON MUSLIM woman is not illegal. My hubby's grandmother
died a young woman with two babies-----raped in a shariah shit hole. Knowing
SIKHS---it is not unlikely that they might go for revenge rape
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Not Much Has Changed
…or, understanding as a way of putting contemporary events in their historical perspective.
“Pittsburgh resident, Syrian man arrested on terrorism charges after allegedly planning attack on Christian church” Pittsburgh resident, Syrian man arrested on terrorism charges after planning attack on Christian church due in court Friday
A one-off??? A ‘lone-wolf’???? A singleton??? Don’t believe it.
Writing about the intermittent, yet, constant, jihadi attacks throughout the world, Melanie Phillips notes that this is “merely the most visible sign of a much more intractable problem…within Western civilization. …the advance of the global jihad is being facilitated by a wholesale collapse of Western values and national identity…”
1.Government school doesn’t educate, especially in the area of history….now known as social studies. It may simply be incompetence…..or, it my be part of an agenda. If government school grads had a firm grip on the origin and methods of Islam, these events would be understandable…and perhaps predictable. For a quarter of the world’s population there has been no modernity, and the worldview of the seventh century is just as much in effect now as it was then.
2. In 610, Muhammad bin Abdullah (570-632) began telling the Meccan polytheists that he was a messenger from Allah, to a great deal of eye-rolling. Submit, he told them- Islam in Arabic- and they would be safe. But after 12 years of preaching he had only converted some one hundred, mostly his relatives, and the townsfolks felt that without submitting, they were pretty safe, already. So they kicked him out.
Muhammad had a way to change that view; it involved the sword and the scimitar.
3.Edward Gibbons writes in “ The Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire
”chapter 50, …. “The injustice of Mecca and the choice of Medina, transformed the citizen into a prince, the humble preacher into the leader of armies; but his sword was consecrated by the example of the saints; and the same God who afflicts a sinful world with pestilence and earthquakes, might inspire for their conversion or chastisement the valour of his servants.
In the exercise of political government, he was compelled to abate of the stern rigour of fanaticism, to comply in some measure with the prejudices and passions of his followers, and to employ even the vices of mankind as the instruments of their salvation.
The use of fraud and perfidy, of cruelty and injustice, were often subservient to the propagation of the faith; and Mahomet commanded or approved the assassination of the Jews and idolaters who had escaped from the field of battle.”
4. What Gibbons was saying is that Mohammad told his crew that they should offer admission to his organization, and any who declined, well…..they could kill the men, rape and enslave any females, and keep any bling they could find.
Did you get that? Those his followers couldn’t convince to convert to Islam, well….they should kill and rape and rob.
The Democrat voter:
…or, understanding as a way of putting contemporary events in their historical perspective.
“Pittsburgh resident, Syrian man arrested on terrorism charges after allegedly planning attack on Christian church” Pittsburgh resident, Syrian man arrested on terrorism charges after planning attack on Christian church due in court Friday
A one-off??? A ‘lone-wolf’???? A singleton??? Don’t believe it.
Writing about the intermittent, yet, constant, jihadi attacks throughout the world, Melanie Phillips notes that this is “merely the most visible sign of a much more intractable problem…within Western civilization. …the advance of the global jihad is being facilitated by a wholesale collapse of Western values and national identity…”
1.Government school doesn’t educate, especially in the area of history….now known as social studies. It may simply be incompetence…..or, it my be part of an agenda. If government school grads had a firm grip on the origin and methods of Islam, these events would be understandable…and perhaps predictable. For a quarter of the world’s population there has been no modernity, and the worldview of the seventh century is just as much in effect now as it was then.
2. In 610, Muhammad bin Abdullah (570-632) began telling the Meccan polytheists that he was a messenger from Allah, to a great deal of eye-rolling. Submit, he told them- Islam in Arabic- and they would be safe. But after 12 years of preaching he had only converted some one hundred, mostly his relatives, and the townsfolks felt that without submitting, they were pretty safe, already. So they kicked him out.
Muhammad had a way to change that view; it involved the sword and the scimitar.
3.Edward Gibbons writes in “ The Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire
”chapter 50, …. “The injustice of Mecca and the choice of Medina, transformed the citizen into a prince, the humble preacher into the leader of armies; but his sword was consecrated by the example of the saints; and the same God who afflicts a sinful world with pestilence and earthquakes, might inspire for their conversion or chastisement the valour of his servants.
In the exercise of political government, he was compelled to abate of the stern rigour of fanaticism, to comply in some measure with the prejudices and passions of his followers, and to employ even the vices of mankind as the instruments of their salvation.
The use of fraud and perfidy, of cruelty and injustice, were often subservient to the propagation of the faith; and Mahomet commanded or approved the assassination of the Jews and idolaters who had escaped from the field of battle.”
4. What Gibbons was saying is that Mohammad told his crew that they should offer admission to his organization, and any who declined, well…..they could kill the men, rape and enslave any females, and keep any bling they could find.
Did you get that? Those his followers couldn’t convince to convert to Islam, well….they should kill and rape and rob.
The Democrat voter:
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No 'probably' meant I didn't think it was necessary to document it. I have to admit I was wrong when I said it was rare. But since you asked:Does 'probably' mean you simply made that up?Here in the US it is probably rare to find a descendant of slaves without some White DNA. Was rape by Christian slave owners sanctioned by Christianity?
The researchers first looked at what fraction of African Americans’ genetic ancestry could be traced back to Africa. Not surprisingly, the data shows that, for most African Americans, the majority of their DNA comes from African ancestors. The results also show that essentially all African Americans have some European ancestry ancestry as well. The genetic mix of African and European DNA, however, follows a striking geographical trend: African Americans living in Southern states have more African DNA (83 percent) than those living in other areas of the country (80 percent). Conversely, African Americans outside the South have a larger fraction of European DNA. Even within the South, this trend holds: Blacks in Florida and South Carolina have more African DNA than those living in Kentucky and Virginia.
You....our best source of greenhouse gases...."didn't think it was necessary to document it."
And you are claiming that you don't know that 'documenting' requires providing the source.
And nothing in there refers to slaves.
Of the billion Muslims on the planet, how many have joined ISIS?Link or lie?"Even consensual sexual relations with a slave were not permissible if it caused harm and abuse elsewhere (e.g. to a wife) as all parties involved would be affected."
A total lie.
Rape is a perq for becoming a Muslim.
I was hoping some dunce would ask....and you live to fulfill that role.
QADIYA, Iraq — In the moments before he raped the 12-year-old girl, the Islamic State fighter took the time to explain that what he was about to do was not a sin. Because the preteen girl practiced a religion other than Islam, the Quran not only gave him the right to rape her — it condoned and encouraged it, he insisted.
He bound her hands and gagged her. Then he knelt beside the bed and prostrated himself in prayer before getting on top of her.
When it was over, he knelt to pray again, bookending the rape with acts of religious devotion.
“I kept telling him it hurts — please stop,” said the girl, whose body is so small an adult could circle her waist with two hands. “He told me that according to Islam he is allowed to rape an unbeliever. He said that by raping me, he is drawing closer to God,” she said in an interview alongside her family in a refugee camp here, to which she escaped after 11 months of captivity. ISIS Enshrines a Theology of Rape
Islamic State militant Amar Hussein says he reads the Koran all day in his tiny jail cell to become a better person. He also says he raped more than 200 women from Iraqi minorities, and shows few regrets…Captured ISIS soldier: Rape of Yazidi women 'is normal'
Those White Christian slave owners viewed their slaves in pretty much the same way.
ok you found an exception to the rule-----how many of the world's Christians own
slaves? What lines in Christian literature legalize rape?
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