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Republican Senators and Congressman voted considerably more in favor for CRA from the 1860's all the way until the 1964 CRA.
Because there were more Democrats in the House and Senate.And in the 1964 CRA vote- more Democrats than Republicans voted in favor.Republican Senators and Congressman voted considerably more in favor for CRA from the 1860's all the way until the 1964 CRA.
Trumps KKK supporters are revolting
'Alt-right' groups will 'revolt' if Trump shuns white supremacy, leaders say
A lot,of democrats voted Trump.....Trump is the first President to need KKK support to get elected
Maybe you igmos should examine some of the effects the CRA of 1964 has produced Some were really good some not so. The reality is that when schools were segregated Black children were actually held to a standard higher than comparable white children by their black teachers. They spoke phonetically correct English, were able to achieve higher test scores than many whites, and were of better character than quite a few of the white students of the time. The effect of desegregation and the related changes forced upon them left them out of the determined centralized education system they had been in before and threw them into a system that had no wish to see them succeed, and was determined to spend as little time as possible on their future. This started the downhill direction of the public school system. The funny thing you stupid liberals always poke out shit about the south and the once slave states but you are so full of shit it is ridiculous to even read your posts. When the slaves were freed they moved north or chose to stay in the south. Those in the south did just what most of the whites in the south had always done, sharecropped. Those in the north went to try to get jobs and were turned away from every place because of the REAL NORTHERN RACIST that did not want them there. You post differently YOU LIE. There were many bloody battles and wholesale murders of groups pf blacks in the north after the civil war. In fact some unions were formed to keep blacks out of the workforce in the north. It is tiring reading stupid shit posts by uneducated low intellect liberal buffoons. It seems every time you liberals post you type complete idiocy and ludicrous fantasy as if it were even remotely close to reality. There is a good deal of work to be done in rebuilding the bridges our present group of political scum have destroyed in an attempt to gain complete dictatorial control over the people of this country. The "racist" label has been elevated to the level of murderer by the shit liberal scum. Hopefully the liberal democrat will be elevated to a more vile position soon with the continued lying, crying and daily public displays of dishonorable, vile behavior.
No, you have ignored Pogo's post and it's totally on-topic. He says I'm correct and explains why, you just can't prove him wrong. The Civil War had nothing to do with slavery until Lincoln tried to free the slaves as a war measure.I haven't avoided Pogo's post, rather it was irrelevant vis-à-vis OUR exchange and of no merit worthy of response being a somewhat misaimed response to my exchange with you. But you have definitely avoided responding to ANY of my posts with any substance whatsoever. The proof is in your post to which I'm now responding, which I had inadvertently overlooked, that appears on page 5 and Pogo's post you are so anxious for me to make a reply came much later on page #20 which makes it doubly irrelevant being ~140 posts beyond our earlier exchange, to which this and my last post is directed!It's not revision if it's accurate. They fought for state rights against a President who believed the government didn't have enough power.The Confederate flag is a symbol of the TRAITORS who made WAR against the United States of America, its People and the Constitution! Your revision of history has no rational truth or validity in the real world!The Confederate Flag is a symbol of State Rights, which has little to do with Slavery. It honors all of those who fought for their state rights, and apparently offends all of those who don't understand what the Civil War was about. Lots of good reasons to love the Confederate Flag.Your first statement is obviously correct in and of its self, but is nothing more than an obfuscation on your part when held against our exchange for comparison!It's not revision if it's accurate.
Your second and last statement is yet another obfuscation using the euphemism of 'States Rights' as if it had nothing at all to do with the core issue of SLAVERY! The Missouri Compromise of 1820 was about that singular core 'States Rights' issue of SLAVERY! That predated Lincoln's election by 40 years when he was just 11 years old!
Now just what additional power was the New President-elect in 1860 seeking to take from South Carolina in December 1860 when that State seceded. Further, what laws were signed into law by Lincoln which took rights away from South Carolina before April 12, 1861 when that State started it's bombardment of Fort Sumter forcing the US forces within the fort to surrender the next day? What EXACTLY did Lincoln do when he was just a young boy, or as the President-elect or as the President BEFORE the Southern States began their TRAITOROUS REBELLION?They fought for state rights against a President who believed the government didn't have enough power.
The fact of the matter is 'States Rights' was a dog whistle to euphemistically refer to slavery and was the rallying call of the anti-federalists at the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, before ratification of the Constitution and afterward till today. The anti-federalists lost and Federalism won out over the old and dysfunctional Articles of Confederation! As I said in my first post to you in this thread;
The Confederate flag is a symbol of the TRAITORS who made WAR against the United States of America, its People and the Constitution! Your revision of history has no rational truth or validity in the real world!
You ignored Pogo's post again. Since you've avoided it twice now, you must be fully aware that it was correct. He explains it perfectly.Actually she said "until" so in effect you kinda supported her point.
It's not really accurate though. It would be inaccurate to say Slavery had nothing to do with the Civil War and equally inaccurate to say it was the only cause. The rift and rivalry between North and South was at base economic, and Slavery was an inseparable part of the South's dominating economy. It was a wedge between North and South since the country was founded and festered for decades until it could no longer be ignored and the whole thing boiled over.
But at base the concept of secession had also been festering for decades long before the Slavery question came to a head. South Carolinians were calling for secession at least as far back as 1828 over the Quincy Adams "Tariff of Abominations", which had nothing to do with slavery. So the seeds were already sown long before 1861. South Carolina, one will recall, was also the first state to take the step of secession, as well as the site of the first shots of the War.
So we could say the cause of the Civil War was technically an economic rift, but an essential and inseparable part of it was the question of Slavery and whether it would be allowed to continue, which directly affected that economy. Had Slavery not been in question, the economic rift would have still been present. How it would have resolved we can only guess. The North was beginning to urbanize and industrialize so change was inevitable in some form. And the various European and Latin American nations were themselves already doing away with Slavery so its days were already numbered.
Punkin is correct that the EP was a war measure. Our history books like to crow "Lincoln freed the slaves" but he really didn't. That wasn't done until the 13th Amendment after Lincoln was dead. What the EP did was free slaves inside the Confederacy that were living in Union-occupied territory ---- which gave him more soldiers.
Given you display an absolute resistance to responding to any points of ANY of my posts, I can only conclude you are unable to refute with any degree of definitive substance any of those points made or positions taken. You opinions are also irrelevant and are nothing more than self-serving ploys to avoid taking responsibility for your own words!
Again;
The Confederate flag is a symbol of the TRAITORS who made WAR against the United States of America, its People and the Constitution! Your revision of history has no rational truth or validity in the real world!
confederates were democrat. what is it you don't understand exactly?The KKK was started by former soldiers of the Confederacy,
which is the single most important reason you see so many conservatives so vigorously defend the display of the Confederate Flag.
DEMOCRATS right?The KKK was founded by ex Confederate soldiers, all hard core extremist conservative racists. The Confederate flags, all of them, are symbols of a bad America of racism and limited civil liberties for all. Pumpkin Row does not understand any of it.
Little-Acorn uses Democrat or variation four times. The article and link do not use it at all. Bad OP. Close the thread, mods.
who's KKK? Hitlery correct? you meant hitlery I know, but you just wanted to post some more fakey news correct? cause it's what you do best, correct?Trumps KKK supporters are revolting
'Alt-right' groups will 'revolt' if Trump shuns white supremacy, leaders say
What "context" is that? That democrats were racists?On Dec. 24, 1865, Democrats in the American South formed the Ku Klux Klan as a means of keeing uppity blacks in their place. They attacked the blacks, and any white Republicans who defended or support them, lynching and killing them when possible. Democrat support for, and membership in, the KKK continues to this day, with theDemocrat attacking, insulting, and pillorying blacks who dared to espouse viewpoints the Democrats disagree with.
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KKK founded - Dec 24, 1865 - HISTORY.com
151 years ago KKK founded
December 24, 2016
In Pulaski, Tennessee, a group of Confederate veterans convenes to form a secret society that they christen the “Ku Klux Klan.” The KKK rapidly grew from a secret social fraternity to a paramilitary force bent on reversing the federal government’s progressive Reconstruction Era-activities in the South, especially policies that elevated the rights of the local African American population.
The name of the Ku Klux Klan was derived from the Greek word kyklos, meaning “circle,” and the Scottish-Gaelic word “clan,” which was probably chosen for the sake of alliteration. Under a platform of philosophized white racial superiority, the group employed violence as a means of pushing back Reconstruction and its enfranchisement of African Americans. Former Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest was the KKK’s first grand wizard; in 1869, he unsuccessfully tried to disband it after he grew critical of the Klan’s excessive violence.
Most prominent in counties where the races were relatively balanced, the KKK engaged in terrorist raids against African Americans and white Republicans at night, employing intimidation, destruction of property, assault, and murder to achieve its aims and influence upcoming elections. In a few Southern states, Republicans organized militia units to break up the Klan. In 1871, the Ku Klux Act passed Congress, authorizing President Ulysses S. Grant to use military force to suppress the KKK. The Ku Klux Act resulted in nine South Carolina counties being placed under martial law and thousands of arrests.
So? Anyone who understands history will be able to put this into the right context. Anyone who just simply has a ridiculous agenda and plays the bullshit partisan game doesn't care.
and still are.What "context" is that? That democrats were racists?On Dec. 24, 1865, Democrats in the American South formed the Ku Klux Klan as a means of keeing uppity blacks in their place. They attacked the blacks, and any white Republicans who defended or support them, lynching and killing them when possible. Democrat support for, and membership in, the KKK continues to this day, with theDemocrat attacking, insulting, and pillorying blacks who dared to espouse viewpoints the Democrats disagree with.
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KKK founded - Dec 24, 1865 - HISTORY.com
151 years ago KKK founded
December 24, 2016
In Pulaski, Tennessee, a group of Confederate veterans convenes to form a secret society that they christen the “Ku Klux Klan.” The KKK rapidly grew from a secret social fraternity to a paramilitary force bent on reversing the federal government’s progressive Reconstruction Era-activities in the South, especially policies that elevated the rights of the local African American population.
The name of the Ku Klux Klan was derived from the Greek word kyklos, meaning “circle,” and the Scottish-Gaelic word “clan,” which was probably chosen for the sake of alliteration. Under a platform of philosophized white racial superiority, the group employed violence as a means of pushing back Reconstruction and its enfranchisement of African Americans. Former Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest was the KKK’s first grand wizard; in 1869, he unsuccessfully tried to disband it after he grew critical of the Klan’s excessive violence.
Most prominent in counties where the races were relatively balanced, the KKK engaged in terrorist raids against African Americans and white Republicans at night, employing intimidation, destruction of property, assault, and murder to achieve its aims and influence upcoming elections. In a few Southern states, Republicans organized militia units to break up the Klan. In 1871, the Ku Klux Act passed Congress, authorizing President Ulysses S. Grant to use military force to suppress the KKK. The Ku Klux Act resulted in nine South Carolina counties being placed under martial law and thousands of arrests.
So? Anyone who understands history will be able to put this into the right context. Anyone who just simply has a ridiculous agenda and plays the bullshit partisan game doesn't care.
Yes, I have heard of those two conservative democrats. Did you hear George Wallace refer toAnd you do know that JFK was a DEMOCRAT President, don't YOU? A Democrat President sent troops to put down civil unrest wrought by White racists, not Democrats. There is no proof that the rioting White racists of that era were affiliated with any political party. You just assume they were without really knowing. But looking at the GOP today, I don't see much difference between the two when it comes to racial matters.Both parties fre full of racists.Maybe we should ask NY since he is such an historical scholar-----> forget the KKK for a second..........remember when Kennedy had to send in the national guard, remember when all the water cannons were used on black people fighting for their rights? Which political party did virtually ALL of the people doing these transgressions belong to! Oh wait, wait, say it isn't so....you mean the charming, delightful, open minded, all inclusive DEMOCRATS?!?!?!?!?!
And now.........wait for it........we are going to hear all about how Democrats and Republicans switched sides, but this time, we are ready for them! Let us look back and see which politicians in control in the South switched party's-) If they didn't switch party's leftists, it didn't happen, now did it, lol. Be specific! And of course, we will show all the politicians who were in charge of the water cannons, and which political party they belonged to a little further down the road-) Once you delve into individual politicians, your whole phony theory falls apart, and you are laid bare as the party of racism!
Blacks are democrats because most of them are working class people who have a vested interest in labor and the collective bargaining apparatus that drives it. Most Blacks aren't liberal, they are just part of a labor force that is politically aligned with the Democratic Party. 75% of Backs live above the poverty level as a result of that strategy.
Ummm, really! Seriously? Ever hear of George Wallace? How about Bull Connor!
Folks, are these lefties that dumb, or do they think that we are that dumb not to catch them in their obvious, propaganda lies, lol!
the Freedom Riders as liberals although most were democrats too? Your attempt to make hatred and prejudice he national character of the Democratic Party fails miserably under closer scrutiny. And that held true even during the civil rights era. Republicans are quick to point the finger at conservative democrats of a bygone era while extolling the "virtues" of GOP conservatism today. For people of color, the key word here is "conservative." When a "conservative takes off his blue coat and dons a red jacket he remains a conservative.
Conservatism, has traditionally been associated with racism in this country no matter which party claims it!
Mostly agree although I would put it the opposite way. It's certainly possible to be conservative and not be racist (far as I know that would apply to Goldwater) --- but it's not possible to be racist and not be conservative.
The mistake the wags on this board constantly make is to ass ---ume that the label "Democrat" always means "liberal" and "Republican" always means "conservative". Not only is that not the case over historical what time, it's not even true on a single day.
I'll keep hammering the point until it sinks in for them --- the purpose of a political party is not to represent this or that ideology; it is to get elected.
Well, thanks for acknowledging the part you agree with. I wholeheartedly agree that it is possible to be conservative and not be a racist. But here's a twist you might not have thought of.
First allow me to ask a question. Are Black Christians who attend church regularly, have excellent family bread winners, live a middle class lifestyle and are law abiding differ in any way from so-called White conservatives? There is one difference that rushes to the front of my mind.
The Black conservatives, as defined by me , in general, are not associated with racism. Unlike their white Christian counterparts whose shepherds looked the other way when members of their flock were lynching Blacks and spreading terrorism throughout the south and midwest.
While that one example from the past serves me well , I'll navigate forward to the present:
The word conservative take on an entirely different meaning when applied to Black folks by White people. White conservatives tend to attach the general conservative label to any Black who stands with them on social issues. Clarence Thomas and Ben Carson are two glaring examples of that. But should we accept that limited definition when defining the core citizenry of the Black community? They certainly aren't liberals. And don't make me bring the ultra conservative Farrakhan and the NOI into the mix!
By partaking in political discussions with Black friends, I have concluded that Black people do not see themselves as either liberal or conservative. So I had to study their worldview to determine if their lifestyle was that of conservatism in the classic sense. Now here is where my empiricism comes into play. By comparing the classic definition of conservatism to the behavior of the average Black churchgoing, hard-working family, I was able to conclude unequivocally that a great number of Blacks are conservative. On the other hand my other study showed manyWhite guys, especially low information types, who claim to be conservative use the term as a euphemism for whiteness.
In that context, the term takes on racial overtones.
What "context" is that? That democrats were racists?On Dec. 24, 1865, Democrats in the American South formed the Ku Klux Klan as a means of keeing uppity blacks in their place. They attacked the blacks, and any white Republicans who defended or support them, lynching and killing them when possible. Democrat support for, and membership in, the KKK continues to this day, with theDemocrat attacking, insulting, and pillorying blacks who dared to espouse viewpoints the Democrats disagree with.
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KKK founded - Dec 24, 1865 - HISTORY.com
151 years ago KKK founded
December 24, 2016
In Pulaski, Tennessee, a group of Confederate veterans convenes to form a secret society that they christen the “Ku Klux Klan.” The KKK rapidly grew from a secret social fraternity to a paramilitary force bent on reversing the federal government’s progressive Reconstruction Era-activities in the South, especially policies that elevated the rights of the local African American population.
The name of the Ku Klux Klan was derived from the Greek word kyklos, meaning “circle,” and the Scottish-Gaelic word “clan,” which was probably chosen for the sake of alliteration. Under a platform of philosophized white racial superiority, the group employed violence as a means of pushing back Reconstruction and its enfranchisement of African Americans. Former Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest was the KKK’s first grand wizard; in 1869, he unsuccessfully tried to disband it after he grew critical of the Klan’s excessive violence.
Most prominent in counties where the races were relatively balanced, the KKK engaged in terrorist raids against African Americans and white Republicans at night, employing intimidation, destruction of property, assault, and murder to achieve its aims and influence upcoming elections. In a few Southern states, Republicans organized militia units to break up the Klan. In 1871, the Ku Klux Act passed Congress, authorizing President Ulysses S. Grant to use military force to suppress the KKK. The Ku Klux Act resulted in nine South Carolina counties being placed under martial law and thousands of arrests.
So? Anyone who understands history will be able to put this into the right context. Anyone who just simply has a ridiculous agenda and plays the bullshit partisan game doesn't care.
Yes, I have heard of those two conservative democrats. Did you hear George Wallace refer toAnd you do know that JFK was a DEMOCRAT President, don't YOU? A Democrat President sent troops to put down civil unrest wrought by White racists, not Democrats. There is no proof that the rioting White racists of that era were affiliated with any political party. You just assume they were without really knowing. But looking at the GOP today, I don't see much difference between the two when it comes to racial matters.Both parties fre full of racists.
Blacks are democrats because most of them are working class people who have a vested interest in labor and the collective bargaining apparatus that drives it. Most Blacks aren't liberal, they are just part of a labor force that is politically aligned with the Democratic Party. 75% of Backs live above the poverty level as a result of that strategy.
Ummm, really! Seriously? Ever hear of George Wallace? How about Bull Connor!
Folks, are these lefties that dumb, or do they think that we are that dumb not to catch them in their obvious, propaganda lies, lol!
the Freedom Riders as liberals although most were democrats too? Your attempt to make hatred and prejudice he national character of the Democratic Party fails miserably under closer scrutiny. And that held true even during the civil rights era. Republicans are quick to point the finger at conservative democrats of a bygone era while extolling the "virtues" of GOP conservatism today. For people of color, the key word here is "conservative." When a "conservative takes off his blue coat and dons a red jacket he remains a conservative.
Conservatism, has traditionally been associated with racism in this country no matter which party claims it!
Mostly agree although I would put it the opposite way. It's certainly possible to be conservative and not be racist (far as I know that would apply to Goldwater) --- but it's not possible to be racist and not be conservative.
The mistake the wags on this board constantly make is to ass ---ume that the label "Democrat" always means "liberal" and "Republican" always means "conservative". Not only is that not the case over historical what time, it's not even true on a single day.
I'll keep hammering the point until it sinks in for them --- the purpose of a political party is not to represent this or that ideology; it is to get elected.
Well, thanks for acknowledging the part you agree with. I wholeheartedly agree that it is possible to be conservative and not be a racist. But here's a twist you might not have thought of.
First allow me to ask a question. Are Black Christians who attend church regularly, have excellent family bread winners, live a middle class lifestyle and are law abiding differ in any way from so-called White conservatives? There is one difference that rushes to the front of my mind.
The Black conservatives, as defined by me , in general, are not associated with racism. Unlike their white Christian counterparts whose shepherds looked the other way when members of their flock were lynching Blacks and spreading terrorism throughout the south and midwest.
While that one example from the past serves me well , I'll navigate forward to the present:
The word conservative take on an entirely different meaning when applied to Black folks by White people. White conservatives tend to attach the general conservative label to any Black who stands with them on social issues. Clarence Thomas and Ben Carson are two glaring examples of that. But should we accept that limited definition when defining the core citizenry of the Black community? They certainly aren't liberals. And don't make me bring the ultra conservative Farrakhan and the NOI into the mix!
By partaking in political discussions with Black friends, I have concluded that Black people do not see themselves as either liberal or conservative. So I had to study their worldview to determine if their lifestyle was that of conservatism in the classic sense. Now here is where my empiricism comes into play. By comparing the classic definition of conservatism to the behavior of the average Black churchgoing, hard-working family, I was able to conclude unequivocally that a great number of Blacks are conservative. On the other hand my other study showed manyWhite guys, especially low information types, who claim to be conservative use the term as a euphemism for whiteness.
In that context, the term takes on racial overtones.
Excellent points here. Yes I'm aware that black culture has its own internal standards that by any honest measure would qualify as 'conservative' and which whites of insufficient interaction with blacks may not even be aware of as they fail to support the ancient negative stereotypes handed down (even still) from the most racist days -- which, if we be honest, were not that long ago and absolutely did not just vanish because the 13th Amendment was passed. So yes I agree African culture has its own conservative mores, which are not to be conflated with politically conservative philosophies.
I don't think we have a disagreement on the comparison of (political) conservatives and racists though. If we limit to the usual "liberal-conservative" dichotomy, racism is only compatible with the latter; since the essence of Liberalism is "all men are created equal", it's impossible to believe that and simultaneously believe that one race of people (or one class, or one religion, nationality etc) is inherently superior or inferior. A Liberal can't do that, which is a direct reason a slaveholder of old could not be a Liberal even though he was perfectly free to be a Democrat.
Of course we tread into a rubbery definition of "conservative" here too -- at base meaning simply "resistant to change" and in favor of preserving the status quo, and in a socio-cultural sense meaning an adherence to traditions. Certainly the imaginary "war on Christmas" is an example of that aspect. These socio-cultural bents, in general terms, undoubtedly apply more to the (white) Southern culture than the (white) Northern one, again pointing to a more conservative (white) culture. I specify 'white' here because after all they (we) were the controllers of Slavery in this country.
I think you have an asute observation here:
many White guys, especially low information types, who claim to be conservative use the term as a euphemism for whiteness.
--- I suspect in many senses you are correct; white culture-ness, tradition, "heritage", etc. In one sense these still represent a certain conservatism in resisting any change or upheaval from the old daze, although it doesn't develop all that deeply into political conservatism, in that, for example, this element might be vociferous that nobody should ever burn a flag, but they'd be lost in space given a philosophical discussion of what that means in First Amendment terms. Ultimately that's the effect of thinking emotionally rather than rationally. Flags are emotional; traditions are very emotional.
So I see this element as conservative in the primary sense of 'traditional', even if many would not be able to articulate the finer points of political conservatism beyond the emotional level.
The Confederate flag is a symbol of the TRAITORS who made WAR against the United States of America, its People and the Constitution! Your revision of history has no rational truth or validity in the real world!
Because there were more Democrats in the House and Senate.And in the 1964 CRA vote- more Democrats than Republicans voted in favor.Republican Senators and Congressman voted considerably more in favor for CRA from the 1860's all the way until the 1964 CRA.
But a greater percentage of Republicans in each house voted for it, than the percentage of the Democrats. So many Democrats voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act, that they would have defeated it if not for the high percentages of Republicans supporting it.
