17.6 million Americans gained health insurance through law

[westwall]

Yeah that's what happens when you are forced to get insurance by the government. Freedom huh? Ain't it great?

if you folks had been smart the single payer program would be up and running by now.

And single payer is even worse for the middle class.


Single payer is great so long as you stay healthy. Get sick though and you're screwed.

LOL. Explains why virtually every other country has a single payer system/two tiered system. They live longer, businesses save money thanks to not worrying about employees healthcare, etc, etc.. I can't stand when know it all Americans act like they know anything about single payer. I saw a thread on here by a mod about a veteran at the NHS, the mod flat out lied about UHC and the NHS treated the veteran anyway. Keep up your stupidity though.

Yes, Canada's is so good that TWO of their high level politicians have fled the system to come to the USA to get treatment. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the poor and the middle class have trouble even finding a doctor much less ever getting a chance to go see one.

Yeppers, like I said, the middle class gets screwed and the rich come to the USA to get fixed up.

I suggest you look up the scandal with the UK's NHS where patients are trucked around in ambulances for HOURS so they don't have to be treated in a timely manner with the attendant deaths that occur.

And your claim that they live longer is not true either. There is a lot of statistical manipulations going on to attain those results, but let's look at the results for when you get sick....

Millions of Canadians don't have a family doctor
"OTTAWA — Tackling the shortage of family doctors in Canada should be the first step in developing any national wait-time strategy, according to a new report released Thursday.

The College of Family Physicians of Canada (CFPC) said the lack of doctors delivering primary care is slowing down the delivery of specialized care, and governments need to factor that delay into the development of wait-time benchmarks.

"Wait-time strategies need to address the complete patient experience," said Dr. Calvin Gutkin, executive director and CEO of the CFPC. "If you ask most patients, the clock starts ticking when they see their family doctor or recognize the need to see a physician."
Millions of Canadians don't have a family doctor


Britain trails in cancer survival rates
by JAMES CHAPMAN, Daily Mail

Cancer patients in Britain have a far worse chance of surviving than those in any other country in the developed world, a shocking study reveals today.
Researchers who studied data covering millions of patients in dozens of countries said their findings laid bare Britain's appalling record.
Five-year survival rates for early-stage breast cancer were only 78 per cent, against 97 per cent in the U.S. and 93 per cent across Europe.
Similarly, only 70 per cent of patients with early-stage colorectal cancer live for five years in Britain, against 90 per cent in the U.S. and 80 per cent in Germany.

Britain trails in cancer survival rates

are you claiming or non aca... medical system is better ?

Try reading the links silly boy.

 

[daws101]

U.S. says 17.6 mln Americans gained health insurance through law

And among the greedy, selfish, and ignorant, there was weeping and gnashing of teeth...

Yeah that's what happens when you are forced to get insurance by the government. Freedom huh? Ain't it great?

if you folks had been smart the single payer program would be up and running by now.

And single payer is even worse for the middle class.


Single payer is great so long as you stay healthy. Get sick though and you're screwed.

since we have never tried it , you're making shit up.

That much is true. But we can look to Canada's and the UK's experience. And those are SMALL country's. Just imagine the clusterfuck that would result in a huge country like ours. Try actually reading about the experiences from them instead of the rose colored glasses of your masters.

You might actually learn something. I doubt you will even look at the links I provide though, those sorts of facts wreck your paradigm so can't be accepted 'cause you've got "faith" man. And "faith" is all you need.

false! read your links not impressed ,not because I have faith. that's your gig.
faith in paranoid over reaction that is.
what is with you assholes and false assumption
the only paradigm at work here is yours.

 

[David_42]

U.S. says 17.6 mln Americans gained health insurance through law

And among the greedy, selfish, and ignorant, there was weeping and gnashing of teeth...

Yeah that's what happens when you are forced to get insurance by the government. Freedom huh? Ain't it great?

if you folks had been smart the single payer program would be up and running by now.

And single payer is even worse for the middle class.


Single payer is great so long as you stay healthy. Get sick though and you're screwed.

LOL. Explains why virtually every other country has a single payer system/two tiered system. They live longer, businesses save money thanks to not worrying about employees healthcare, etc, etc.. I can't stand when know it all Americans act like they know anything about single payer. I saw a thread on here by a mod about a veteran at the NHS, the mod flat out lied about UHC and the NHS treated the veteran anyway. Keep up your stupidity though.

Yes, Canada's is so good that TWO of their high level politicians have fled the system to come to the USA to get treatment. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the poor and the middle class have trouble even finding a doctor much less ever getting a chance to go see one.

Yeppers, like I said, the middle class gets screwed and the rich come to the USA to get fixed up.

I suggest you look up the scandal with the UK's NHS where patients are trucked around in ambulances for HOURS so they don't have to be treated in a timely manner with the attendant deaths that occur.

And your claim that they live longer is not true either. There is a lot of statistical manipulations going on to attain those results, but let's look at the results for when you get sick....

Millions of Canadians don't have a family doctor
"OTTAWA — Tackling the shortage of family doctors in Canada should be the first step in developing any national wait-time strategy, according to a new report released Thursday.

The College of Family Physicians of Canada (CFPC) said the lack of doctors delivering primary care is slowing down the delivery of specialized care, and governments need to factor that delay into the development of wait-time benchmarks.

"Wait-time strategies need to address the complete patient experience," said Dr. Calvin Gutkin, executive director and CEO of the CFPC. "If you ask most patients, the clock starts ticking when they see their family doctor or recognize the need to see a physician."
Millions of Canadians don't have a family doctor


Britain trails in cancer survival rates
by JAMES CHAPMAN, Daily Mail

Cancer patients in Britain have a far worse chance of surviving than those in any other country in the developed world, a shocking study reveals today.
Researchers who studied data covering millions of patients in dozens of countries said their findings laid bare Britain's appalling record.
Five-year survival rates for early-stage breast cancer were only 78 per cent, against 97 per cent in the U.S. and 93 per cent across Europe.
Similarly, only 70 per cent of patients with early-stage colorectal cancer live for five years in Britain, against 90 per cent in the U.S. and 80 per cent in Germany.

Britain trails in cancer survival rates

As expected, the ignorant idiot ^ relies on ridiculous cherry pickings and ludicrous bullshit to attempt to make a point that just isn't there. No system is perfect, certainly not our privatized system. When you start peddling the "Canadians leave for healthcare or they'll die" bullshit, you're truly lying. 2 people left.. For what exactly? Statistical manipulations? Yeah, I know you ignore all data and claim its manipulated to make a point, I love when right wing nuts do it. Oh lawd, explain why the majority in Britain support the NHS. No system is safe from corruption, but God damn, you truly are stupid. Americans leave for healthcare all the time, does that mean American healthcare sucks? Oh, don't apply your own standards, I forgot.. Millions of some Canadians don't have a family doctor, and guess what? They're fucking addressing it, do you know how many Americans don't have a family doctor? Want to mention that? Jesus Christ, you really are stupid. Britain trails in cancer survival rates.. Uh, ok, how do you know that's not manipulated? It's not, but I'm applying your ridiculous hogshit. Oh, funny thing: "93 percent across all of Europe" ah. There it is. Funny how you only mention cancer by the way, is that all you have to cherry pick?

 

[David_42]

Hey west wall..
WHO | Universal health coverage (UHC)

Key facts

• At least a billion people suffer each year because they cannot obtain the health services they need.
• People-centred and integrated health services are critical for reaching universal health coverage.
• About 150 million of the people who do use health services are subjected to financial catastrophe annually, and 100 million are pushed below the poverty line as a result of paying for the services they receive.

 

[westwall]

Yeah that's what happens when you are forced to get insurance by the government. Freedom huh? Ain't it great?

if you folks had been smart the single payer program would be up and running by now.

And single payer is even worse for the middle class.


Single payer is great so long as you stay healthy. Get sick though and you're screwed.

LOL. Explains why virtually every other country has a single payer system/two tiered system. They live longer, businesses save money thanks to not worrying about employees healthcare, etc, etc.. I can't stand when know it all Americans act like they know anything about single payer. I saw a thread on here by a mod about a veteran at the NHS, the mod flat out lied about UHC and the NHS treated the veteran anyway. Keep up your stupidity though.

Yes, Canada's is so good that TWO of their high level politicians have fled the system to come to the USA to get treatment. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the poor and the middle class have trouble even finding a doctor much less ever getting a chance to go see one.

Yeppers, like I said, the middle class gets screwed and the rich come to the USA to get fixed up.

I suggest you look up the scandal with the UK's NHS where patients are trucked around in ambulances for HOURS so they don't have to be treated in a timely manner with the attendant deaths that occur.

And your claim that they live longer is not true either. There is a lot of statistical manipulations going on to attain those results, but let's look at the results for when you get sick....

Millions of Canadians don't have a family doctor
"OTTAWA — Tackling the shortage of family doctors in Canada should be the first step in developing any national wait-time strategy, according to a new report released Thursday.

The College of Family Physicians of Canada (CFPC) said the lack of doctors delivering primary care is slowing down the delivery of specialized care, and governments need to factor that delay into the development of wait-time benchmarks.

"Wait-time strategies need to address the complete patient experience," said Dr. Calvin Gutkin, executive director and CEO of the CFPC. "If you ask most patients, the clock starts ticking when they see their family doctor or recognize the need to see a physician."
Millions of Canadians don't have a family doctor


Britain trails in cancer survival rates
by JAMES CHAPMAN, Daily Mail

Cancer patients in Britain have a far worse chance of surviving than those in any other country in the developed world, a shocking study reveals today.
Researchers who studied data covering millions of patients in dozens of countries said their findings laid bare Britain's appalling record.
Five-year survival rates for early-stage breast cancer were only 78 per cent, against 97 per cent in the U.S. and 93 per cent across Europe.
Similarly, only 70 per cent of patients with early-stage colorectal cancer live for five years in Britain, against 90 per cent in the U.S. and 80 per cent in Germany.

Britain trails in cancer survival rates

As expected, the ignorant idiot ^ relies on ridiculous cherry pickings and ludicrous bullshit to attempt to make a point that just isn't there. No system is perfect, certainly not out privatized system. When you start peddling the "Canadians leave for healthcare or they'll die" bullshit, you're truly lying. 2 people left.. For what exactly? Statistical manipulations? Yeah, I know you ignore all data and claim its manipulated to make a point, I love when right wing nuts do it. Oh lawd, explain why the majority in Britain support the NHS. No system is safe from corruption, but God damn, you truly are stupid. Americans leave for healthcare all the time, does that mean American healthcare sucks? Oh, don't apply your own standards, I forgot.. Millions of some Canadians don't have a family doctor, and guess what? They're fucking addressing it, do you know how many Americans don't have a family doctor? Want to mention that? Jesus Christ, you really are stupid. Britain trails in cancer survival rates.. Uh, ok, how do you know that's not manipulated? It's not, but I'm applying your ridiculous hogshit. Oh, funny thing: "93 percent across all of Europe" ah. There it is. Funny how you only mention cancer by the way, is that all you have to cherry pick?

And yet you have no response to the facts that blow your silly bullpoo out of the water other than to fling poo. And what is funny is you're too stupid to even try and look up how retarded you position is. What is Canada's population? 35 million. So, after the medical system has been up and running FOR DECADES they still can't get people taken care of.

"They are working on it". So, how long do they get to "work on it"? Two more decades? You're so stupid I wonder if you are capable of wiping your own ass.

 

[daws101]

if you folks had been smart the single payer program would be up and running by now.

And single payer is even worse for the middle class.


Single payer is great so long as you stay healthy. Get sick though and you're screwed.

LOL. Explains why virtually every other country has a single payer system/two tiered system. They live longer, businesses save money thanks to not worrying about employees healthcare, etc, etc.. I can't stand when know it all Americans act like they know anything about single payer. I saw a thread on here by a mod about a veteran at the NHS, the mod flat out lied about UHC and the NHS treated the veteran anyway. Keep up your stupidity though.

Yes, Canada's is so good that TWO of their high level politicians have fled the system to come to the USA to get treatment. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the poor and the middle class have trouble even finding a doctor much less ever getting a chance to go see one.

Yeppers, like I said, the middle class gets screwed and the rich come to the USA to get fixed up.

I suggest you look up the scandal with the UK's NHS where patients are trucked around in ambulances for HOURS so they don't have to be treated in a timely manner with the attendant deaths that occur.

And your claim that they live longer is not true either. There is a lot of statistical manipulations going on to attain those results, but let's look at the results for when you get sick....

Millions of Canadians don't have a family doctor
"OTTAWA — Tackling the shortage of family doctors in Canada should be the first step in developing any national wait-time strategy, according to a new report released Thursday.

The College of Family Physicians of Canada (CFPC) said the lack of doctors delivering primary care is slowing down the delivery of specialized care, and governments need to factor that delay into the development of wait-time benchmarks.

"Wait-time strategies need to address the complete patient experience," said Dr. Calvin Gutkin, executive director and CEO of the CFPC. "If you ask most patients, the clock starts ticking when they see their family doctor or recognize the need to see a physician."
Millions of Canadians don't have a family doctor


Britain trails in cancer survival rates
by JAMES CHAPMAN, Daily Mail

Cancer patients in Britain have a far worse chance of surviving than those in any other country in the developed world, a shocking study reveals today.
Researchers who studied data covering millions of patients in dozens of countries said their findings laid bare Britain's appalling record.
Five-year survival rates for early-stage breast cancer were only 78 per cent, against 97 per cent in the U.S. and 93 per cent across Europe.
Similarly, only 70 per cent of patients with early-stage colorectal cancer live for five years in Britain, against 90 per cent in the U.S. and 80 per cent in Germany.

Britain trails in cancer survival rates

are you claiming or non aca... medical system is better ?

Try reading the links silly boy.

don't call me boy I have Hemorrhoids older and smarter than you.

 

[Obiwan]

Thanks, Bro...

I just KNEW the Democrats were lying about how Obozo planted all those money trees and worked miracles...

At least YOU admitted unemployment is higher under him than it was under Bush!!!

never said it wasn't but again this polices were not the cause. bushes were.
the democrats never said anything like that.
look at UE stats under Gerald ford he did that all buy himself ...

, I see...

Unemployment goes up under a Republican, Republican's fault..

Under a Democrat, Republicans' fault...

Obama starts two illegal wars, backs a takeover by the Muslim Brotherhood (a terrorist organization) in Egypt, leaves the ME in flames... BOOOSHH!!!

now that is funny
what illegal wars did Obama start?
all the stuff you mentioned bush did...

Libya and Syria....

false they started those all by themselves hilarious propaganda though


facts
Obama has not started any wars.

US is not at war with Pakistan and never has been. US forces crossed borders going after enemy combatants. Groups such as Taliban and Al-Qaeda are not defined by or contained within nations, and crossing a border does not make it a new war with another enemy..

Libya is a strange situation, since the US is not "at war" with that country, but providing support to groups trying to overthrown the government (because Kaddafi was also an enemy of the USA) There is more than one group involved in the revolution, and they are not friendly to each other nor to the USA. This is something we probably should not be involved in, but there is an obligation to support the forces of NATO as they have helped us in the past.

Obama HAS threatened military action might be used in Syria, to stop the government from mass killings of its people; however, Congress dissented on military aid to Syria, so the Syrian government is allowed to continue committing atrocious acts, without any fear of military intervention from the USA. Today, the death toll in the Syrian Uprising is reported to be over 160,000, according to NBC News.

Unless never dropped a bomb in Libya or Syria???

Of course he did... and he continued for over 60 days without Congressional approval...

That's a war crime...

 

[daws101]

if you folks had been smart the single payer program would be up and running by now.

And single payer is even worse for the middle class.


Single payer is great so long as you stay healthy. Get sick though and you're screwed.

LOL. Explains why virtually every other country has a single payer system/two tiered system. They live longer, businesses save money thanks to not worrying about employees healthcare, etc, etc.. I can't stand when know it all Americans act like they know anything about single payer. I saw a thread on here by a mod about a veteran at the NHS, the mod flat out lied about UHC and the NHS treated the veteran anyway. Keep up your stupidity though.

Yes, Canada's is so good that TWO of their high level politicians have fled the system to come to the USA to get treatment. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the poor and the middle class have trouble even finding a doctor much less ever getting a chance to go see one.

Yeppers, like I said, the middle class gets screwed and the rich come to the USA to get fixed up.

I suggest you look up the scandal with the UK's NHS where patients are trucked around in ambulances for HOURS so they don't have to be treated in a timely manner with the attendant deaths that occur.

And your claim that they live longer is not true either. There is a lot of statistical manipulations going on to attain those results, but let's look at the results for when you get sick....

Millions of Canadians don't have a family doctor
"OTTAWA — Tackling the shortage of family doctors in Canada should be the first step in developing any national wait-time strategy, according to a new report released Thursday.

The College of Family Physicians of Canada (CFPC) said the lack of doctors delivering primary care is slowing down the delivery of specialized care, and governments need to factor that delay into the development of wait-time benchmarks.

"Wait-time strategies need to address the complete patient experience," said Dr. Calvin Gutkin, executive director and CEO of the CFPC. "If you ask most patients, the clock starts ticking when they see their family doctor or recognize the need to see a physician."
Millions of Canadians don't have a family doctor


Britain trails in cancer survival rates
by JAMES CHAPMAN, Daily Mail

Cancer patients in Britain have a far worse chance of surviving than those in any other country in the developed world, a shocking study reveals today.
Researchers who studied data covering millions of patients in dozens of countries said their findings laid bare Britain's appalling record.
Five-year survival rates for early-stage breast cancer were only 78 per cent, against 97 per cent in the U.S. and 93 per cent across Europe.
Similarly, only 70 per cent of patients with early-stage colorectal cancer live for five years in Britain, against 90 per cent in the U.S. and 80 per cent in Germany.

Britain trails in cancer survival rates

As expected, the ignorant idiot ^ relies on ridiculous cherry pickings and ludicrous bullshit to attempt to make a point that just isn't there. No system is perfect, certainly not out privatized system. When you start peddling the "Canadians leave for healthcare or they'll die" bullshit, you're truly lying. 2 people left.. For what exactly? Statistical manipulations? Yeah, I know you ignore all data and claim its manipulated to make a point, I love when right wing nuts do it. Oh lawd, explain why the majority in Britain support the NHS. No system is safe from corruption, but God damn, you truly are stupid. Americans leave for healthcare all the time, does that mean American healthcare sucks? Oh, don't apply your own standards, I forgot.. Millions of some Canadians don't have a family doctor, and guess what? They're fucking addressing it, do you know how many Americans don't have a family doctor? Want to mention that? Jesus Christ, you really are stupid. Britain trails in cancer survival rates.. Uh, ok, how do you know that's not manipulated? It's not, but I'm applying your ridiculous hogshit. Oh, funny thing: "93 percent across all of Europe" ah. There it is. Funny how you only mention cancer by the way, is that all you have to cherry pick?

And yet you have no response to the facts that blow your silly bullpoo out of the water other than to fling poo. And what is funny is you're too stupid to even try and look up how retarded you position is. What is Canada's population? 35 million. So, after the medical system has been up and running FOR DECADES they still can't get people taken care of.

"They are working on it". So, how long do they get to "work on it"? Two more decades? You're so stupid I wonder if you are capable of wiping your own ass.

there 330 million people here and we have the same and worse problems here.
that's a fact you keep dodging.

 

[David_42]

if you folks had been smart the single payer program would be up and running by now.

And single payer is even worse for the middle class.


Single payer is great so long as you stay healthy. Get sick though and you're screwed.

LOL. Explains why virtually every other country has a single payer system/two tiered system. They live longer, businesses save money thanks to not worrying about employees healthcare, etc, etc.. I can't stand when know it all Americans act like they know anything about single payer. I saw a thread on here by a mod about a veteran at the NHS, the mod flat out lied about UHC and the NHS treated the veteran anyway. Keep up your stupidity though.

Yes, Canada's is so good that TWO of their high level politicians have fled the system to come to the USA to get treatment. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the poor and the middle class have trouble even finding a doctor much less ever getting a chance to go see one.

Yeppers, like I said, the middle class gets screwed and the rich come to the USA to get fixed up.

I suggest you look up the scandal with the UK's NHS where patients are trucked around in ambulances for HOURS so they don't have to be treated in a timely manner with the attendant deaths that occur.

And your claim that they live longer is not true either. There is a lot of statistical manipulations going on to attain those results, but let's look at the results for when you get sick....

Millions of Canadians don't have a family doctor
"OTTAWA — Tackling the shortage of family doctors in Canada should be the first step in developing any national wait-time strategy, according to a new report released Thursday.

The College of Family Physicians of Canada (CFPC) said the lack of doctors delivering primary care is slowing down the delivery of specialized care, and governments need to factor that delay into the development of wait-time benchmarks.

"Wait-time strategies need to address the complete patient experience," said Dr. Calvin Gutkin, executive director and CEO of the CFPC. "If you ask most patients, the clock starts ticking when they see their family doctor or recognize the need to see a physician."
Millions of Canadians don't have a family doctor


Britain trails in cancer survival rates
by JAMES CHAPMAN, Daily Mail

Cancer patients in Britain have a far worse chance of surviving than those in any other country in the developed world, a shocking study reveals today.
Researchers who studied data covering millions of patients in dozens of countries said their findings laid bare Britain's appalling record.
Five-year survival rates for early-stage breast cancer were only 78 per cent, against 97 per cent in the U.S. and 93 per cent across Europe.
Similarly, only 70 per cent of patients with early-stage colorectal cancer live for five years in Britain, against 90 per cent in the U.S. and 80 per cent in Germany.

Britain trails in cancer survival rates

As expected, the ignorant idiot ^ relies on ridiculous cherry pickings and ludicrous bullshit to attempt to make a point that just isn't there. No system is perfect, certainly not out privatized system. When you start peddling the "Canadians leave for healthcare or they'll die" bullshit, you're truly lying. 2 people left.. For what exactly? Statistical manipulations? Yeah, I know you ignore all data and claim its manipulated to make a point, I love when right wing nuts do it. Oh lawd, explain why the majority in Britain support the NHS. No system is safe from corruption, but God damn, you truly are stupid. Americans leave for healthcare all the time, does that mean American healthcare sucks? Oh, don't apply your own standards, I forgot.. Millions of some Canadians don't have a family doctor, and guess what? They're fucking addressing it, do you know how many Americans don't have a family doctor? Want to mention that? Jesus Christ, you really are stupid. Britain trails in cancer survival rates.. Uh, ok, how do you know that's not manipulated? It's not, but I'm applying your ridiculous hogshit. Oh, funny thing: "93 percent across all of Europe" ah. There it is. Funny how you only mention cancer by the way, is that all you have to cherry pick?

And yet you have no response to the facts that blow your silly bullpoo out of the water other than to fling poo. And what is funny is you're too stupid to even try and look up how retarded you position is. What is Canada's population? 35 million. So, after the medical system has been up and running FOR DECADES they still can't get people taken care of.

"They are working on it". So, how long do they get to "work on it"? Two more decades? You're so stupid I wonder if you are capable of wiping your own ass.

What facts? 2 politicians going to get healthcare elsewhere for conditions you won't even mention they were getting treated. When you discuss Canada, you're discussing family doctors, if people in Canada need healthcare/drugs, they get them cheaper, without worrying about the financial burden. If someone is dying, they get treated. Tell me more about Americans who lack family doctors.. Or the millions who get crushed under medical bills as discussed by the WHO. Oh, it gets better all the time, Canadians support the system they have for a reason, American opinions don't really matter to reality.

 

[westwall]

Hey west wall..
WHO | Universal health coverage (UHC)

Key facts

• At least a billion people suffer each year because they cannot obtain the health services they need.
• People-centred and integrated health services are critical for reaching universal health coverage.
• About 150 million of the people who do use health services are subjected to financial catastrophe annually, and 100 million are pushed below the poverty line as a result of paying for the services they receive.

Hey David.....guess what. There are more people WITHOUT electricity than are without health insurance. SHOCKING I TELL YOU! The fact that there are ONLY a billion without care is fucking amazing. That tells you how much effort has gone into getting care to those who need it.


"Worldwide 1.3 billion people – a population equivalent to that of the entire OECD – continue to live without access to electricity. This is equivalent to 18% of the global population and 22% of those living in developing countries. Nearly 97% of those without access to electricity live in sub-Saharan Africa and developing Asia. The latest estimate for sub-Saharan Africa has been revised up by 22 million, illustrating how rapid population growth can continue to outpace the rate of electrification in many countries and conceal the progress that has been made. In developing Asia, the general trend shows an improving picture, but the pace varies. The largest populations without electricity are in India, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Bangladesh, Democratic Republic of Congo (DR Congo) and Indonesia."


IEA - Energy access database

 

[David_42]

And sure, people have wait times, but they're happy and they constantly improve the wait times.

 

[daws101]

never said it wasn't but again this polices were not the cause. bushes were.
the democrats never said anything like that.
look at UE stats under Gerald ford he did that all buy himself ...

, I see...

Unemployment goes up under a Republican, Republican's fault..

Under a Democrat, Republicans' fault...

Obama starts two illegal wars, backs a takeover by the Muslim Brotherhood (a terrorist organization) in Egypt, leaves the ME in flames... BOOOSHH!!!

now that is funny
what illegal wars did Obama start?
all the stuff you mentioned bush did...

Libya and Syria....

false they started those all by themselves hilarious propaganda though


facts
Obama has not started any wars.

US is not at war with Pakistan and never has been. US forces crossed borders going after enemy combatants. Groups such as Taliban and Al-Qaeda are not defined by or contained within nations, and crossing a border does not make it a new war with another enemy..

Libya is a strange situation, since the US is not "at war" with that country, but providing support to groups trying to overthrown the government (because Kaddafi was also an enemy of the USA) There is more than one group involved in the revolution, and they are not friendly to each other nor to the USA. This is something we probably should not be involved in, but there is an obligation to support the forces of NATO as they have helped us in the past.

Obama HAS threatened military action might be used in Syria, to stop the government from mass killings of its people; however, Congress dissented on military aid to Syria, so the Syrian government is allowed to continue committing atrocious acts, without any fear of military intervention from the USA. Today, the death toll in the Syrian Uprising is reported to be over 160,000, according to NBC News.

Unless never dropped a bomb in Libya or Syria???

Of course he did... and he continued for over 60 days without Congressional approval...

That's a war crime...

false .war powers act .. nice try.
got any proof he started it ?
none so far.

 

[daws101]

Hey west wall..
WHO | Universal health coverage (UHC)

Key facts

• At least a billion people suffer each year because they cannot obtain the health services they need.
• People-centred and integrated health services are critical for reaching universal health coverage.
• About 150 million of the people who do use health services are subjected to financial catastrophe annually, and 100 million are pushed below the poverty line as a result of paying for the services they receive.

Hey David.....guess what. There are more people WITHOUT electricity than are without health insurance. SHOCKING I TELL YOU! The fact that there are ONLY a billion without care is fucking amazing. That tells you how much effort has gone into getting care to those who need it.


"Worldwide 1.3 billion people – a population equivalent to that of the entire OECD – continue to live without access to electricity. This is equivalent to 18% of the global population and 22% of those living in developing countries. Nearly 97% of those without access to electricity live in sub-Saharan Africa and developing Asia. The latest estimate for sub-Saharan Africa has been revised up by 22 million, illustrating how rapid population growth can continue to outpace the rate of electrification in many countries and conceal the progress that has been made. In developing Asia, the general trend shows an improving picture, but the pace varies. The largest populations without electricity are in India, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Bangladesh, Democratic Republic of Congo (DR Congo) and Indonesia."


IEA - Energy access database

nice false comparison.

 

[David_42]

Hey west wall..
WHO | Universal health coverage (UHC)

Key facts

• At least a billion people suffer each year because they cannot obtain the health services they need.
• People-centred and integrated health services are critical for reaching universal health coverage.
• About 150 million of the people who do use health services are subjected to financial catastrophe annually, and 100 million are pushed below the poverty line as a result of paying for the services they receive.

Hey David.....guess what. There are more people WITHOUT electricity than are without health insurance. SHOCKING I TELL YOU! The fact that there are ONLY a billion without care is fucking amazing. That tells you how much effort has gone into getting care to those who need it.


"Worldwide 1.3 billion people – a population equivalent to that of the entire OECD – continue to live without access to electricity. This is equivalent to 18% of the global population and 22% of those living in developing countries. Nearly 97% of those without access to electricity live in sub-Saharan Africa and developing Asia. The latest estimate for sub-Saharan Africa has been revised up by 22 million, illustrating how rapid population growth can continue to outpace the rate of electrification in many countries and conceal the progress that has been made. In developing Asia, the general trend shows an improving picture, but the pace varies. The largest populations without electricity are in India, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Bangladesh, Democratic Republic of Congo (DR Congo) and Indonesia."


IEA - Energy access database

Yes, good job bringing up a irrelevant point. Who do you think provides that healthcare? What system do you think the majority of people are under? UHC. It works, the WHO promotes full adoption of it, and in 50 years, America will almost certainly be single payer.

 

[westwall]

And single payer is even worse for the middle class.


Single payer is great so long as you stay healthy. Get sick though and you're screwed.

LOL. Explains why virtually every other country has a single payer system/two tiered system. They live longer, businesses save money thanks to not worrying about employees healthcare, etc, etc.. I can't stand when know it all Americans act like they know anything about single payer. I saw a thread on here by a mod about a veteran at the NHS, the mod flat out lied about UHC and the NHS treated the veteran anyway. Keep up your stupidity though.

Yes, Canada's is so good that TWO of their high level politicians have fled the system to come to the USA to get treatment. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the poor and the middle class have trouble even finding a doctor much less ever getting a chance to go see one.

Yeppers, like I said, the middle class gets screwed and the rich come to the USA to get fixed up.

I suggest you look up the scandal with the UK's NHS where patients are trucked around in ambulances for HOURS so they don't have to be treated in a timely manner with the attendant deaths that occur.

And your claim that they live longer is not true either. There is a lot of statistical manipulations going on to attain those results, but let's look at the results for when you get sick....

Millions of Canadians don't have a family doctor
"OTTAWA — Tackling the shortage of family doctors in Canada should be the first step in developing any national wait-time strategy, according to a new report released Thursday.

The College of Family Physicians of Canada (CFPC) said the lack of doctors delivering primary care is slowing down the delivery of specialized care, and governments need to factor that delay into the development of wait-time benchmarks.

"Wait-time strategies need to address the complete patient experience," said Dr. Calvin Gutkin, executive director and CEO of the CFPC. "If you ask most patients, the clock starts ticking when they see their family doctor or recognize the need to see a physician."
Millions of Canadians don't have a family doctor


Britain trails in cancer survival rates
by JAMES CHAPMAN, Daily Mail

Cancer patients in Britain have a far worse chance of surviving than those in any other country in the developed world, a shocking study reveals today.
Researchers who studied data covering millions of patients in dozens of countries said their findings laid bare Britain's appalling record.
Five-year survival rates for early-stage breast cancer were only 78 per cent, against 97 per cent in the U.S. and 93 per cent across Europe.
Similarly, only 70 per cent of patients with early-stage colorectal cancer live for five years in Britain, against 90 per cent in the U.S. and 80 per cent in Germany.

Britain trails in cancer survival rates

As expected, the ignorant idiot ^ relies on ridiculous cherry pickings and ludicrous bullshit to attempt to make a point that just isn't there. No system is perfect, certainly not out privatized system. When you start peddling the "Canadians leave for healthcare or they'll die" bullshit, you're truly lying. 2 people left.. For what exactly? Statistical manipulations? Yeah, I know you ignore all data and claim its manipulated to make a point, I love when right wing nuts do it. Oh lawd, explain why the majority in Britain support the NHS. No system is safe from corruption, but God damn, you truly are stupid. Americans leave for healthcare all the time, does that mean American healthcare sucks? Oh, don't apply your own standards, I forgot.. Millions of some Canadians don't have a family doctor, and guess what? They're fucking addressing it, do you know how many Americans don't have a family doctor? Want to mention that? Jesus Christ, you really are stupid. Britain trails in cancer survival rates.. Uh, ok, how do you know that's not manipulated? It's not, but I'm applying your ridiculous hogshit. Oh, funny thing: "93 percent across all of Europe" ah. There it is. Funny how you only mention cancer by the way, is that all you have to cherry pick?

And yet you have no response to the facts that blow your silly bullpoo out of the water other than to fling poo. And what is funny is you're too stupid to even try and look up how retarded you position is. What is Canada's population? 35 million. So, after the medical system has been up and running FOR DECADES they still can't get people taken care of.

"They are working on it". So, how long do they get to "work on it"? Two more decades? You're so stupid I wonder if you are capable of wiping your own ass.

there 330 million people here and we have the same and worse problems here.
that's a fact you keep dodging.

I'm dodging nothing. Obummercare will kill more people than it saves. If this country ever go's to single payer it will be even worse. If this country go's that way you had better hope you are wealthy because if you're not you are going to suffer and die long before you should. Like I said single payer is great if you're healthy but sucks when you get sick. Just ask those millions of Canadian's who STILL don't have a doctor after TWENTY YEARS!

 

[David_42]

Hey west wall..
WHO | Universal health coverage (UHC)

Key facts

• At least a billion people suffer each year because they cannot obtain the health services they need.
• People-centred and integrated health services are critical for reaching universal health coverage.
• About 150 million of the people who do use health services are subjected to financial catastrophe annually, and 100 million are pushed below the poverty line as a result of paying for the services they receive.

Hey David.....guess what. There are more people WITHOUT electricity than are without health insurance. SHOCKING I TELL YOU! The fact that there are ONLY a billion without care is fucking amazing. That tells you how much effort has gone into getting care to those who need it.


"Worldwide 1.3 billion people – a population equivalent to that of the entire OECD – continue to live without access to electricity. This is equivalent to 18% of the global population and 22% of those living in developing countries. Nearly 97% of those without access to electricity live in sub-Saharan Africa and developing Asia. The latest estimate for sub-Saharan Africa has been revised up by 22 million, illustrating how rapid population growth can continue to outpace the rate of electrification in many countries and conceal the progress that has been made. In developing Asia, the general trend shows an improving picture, but the pace varies. The largest populations without electricity are in India, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Bangladesh, Democratic Republic of Congo (DR Congo) and Indonesia."


IEA - Energy access database

nice false comparison.

Don't know what the fuck he was trying to get at. Health is more important then electricity on global priorities.

 

[westwall]

Hey west wall..
WHO | Universal health coverage (UHC)

Key facts

• At least a billion people suffer each year because they cannot obtain the health services they need.
• People-centred and integrated health services are critical for reaching universal health coverage.
• About 150 million of the people who do use health services are subjected to financial catastrophe annually, and 100 million are pushed below the poverty line as a result of paying for the services they receive.

Hey David.....guess what. There are more people WITHOUT electricity than are without health insurance. SHOCKING I TELL YOU! The fact that there are ONLY a billion without care is fucking amazing. That tells you how much effort has gone into getting care to those who need it.


"Worldwide 1.3 billion people – a population equivalent to that of the entire OECD – continue to live without access to electricity. This is equivalent to 18% of the global population and 22% of those living in developing countries. Nearly 97% of those without access to electricity live in sub-Saharan Africa and developing Asia. The latest estimate for sub-Saharan Africa has been revised up by 22 million, illustrating how rapid population growth can continue to outpace the rate of electrification in many countries and conceal the progress that has been made. In developing Asia, the general trend shows an improving picture, but the pace varies. The largest populations without electricity are in India, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Bangladesh, Democratic Republic of Congo (DR Congo) and Indonesia."


IEA - Energy access database

nice false comparison.

False? More people are without electricity than with healthcare. Electricity is easy. Healthcare is hard. They are able to provide healthcare to places with no electricity and you can't even grasp how cool that it.

You're a damned bigot is what you are.

 

[David_42]

LOL. Explains why virtually every other country has a single payer system/two tiered system. They live longer, businesses save money thanks to not worrying about employees healthcare, etc, etc.. I can't stand when know it all Americans act like they know anything about single payer. I saw a thread on here by a mod about a veteran at the NHS, the mod flat out lied about UHC and the NHS treated the veteran anyway. Keep up your stupidity though.

Yes, Canada's is so good that TWO of their high level politicians have fled the system to come to the USA to get treatment. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the poor and the middle class have trouble even finding a doctor much less ever getting a chance to go see one.

Yeppers, like I said, the middle class gets screwed and the rich come to the USA to get fixed up.

I suggest you look up the scandal with the UK's NHS where patients are trucked around in ambulances for HOURS so they don't have to be treated in a timely manner with the attendant deaths that occur.

And your claim that they live longer is not true either. There is a lot of statistical manipulations going on to attain those results, but let's look at the results for when you get sick....

Millions of Canadians don't have a family doctor
"OTTAWA — Tackling the shortage of family doctors in Canada should be the first step in developing any national wait-time strategy, according to a new report released Thursday.

The College of Family Physicians of Canada (CFPC) said the lack of doctors delivering primary care is slowing down the delivery of specialized care, and governments need to factor that delay into the development of wait-time benchmarks.

"Wait-time strategies need to address the complete patient experience," said Dr. Calvin Gutkin, executive director and CEO of the CFPC. "If you ask most patients, the clock starts ticking when they see their family doctor or recognize the need to see a physician."
Millions of Canadians don't have a family doctor


Britain trails in cancer survival rates
by JAMES CHAPMAN, Daily Mail

Cancer patients in Britain have a far worse chance of surviving than those in any other country in the developed world, a shocking study reveals today.
Researchers who studied data covering millions of patients in dozens of countries said their findings laid bare Britain's appalling record.
Five-year survival rates for early-stage breast cancer were only 78 per cent, against 97 per cent in the U.S. and 93 per cent across Europe.
Similarly, only 70 per cent of patients with early-stage colorectal cancer live for five years in Britain, against 90 per cent in the U.S. and 80 per cent in Germany.

Britain trails in cancer survival rates

As expected, the ignorant idiot ^ relies on ridiculous cherry pickings and ludicrous bullshit to attempt to make a point that just isn't there. No system is perfect, certainly not out privatized system. When you start peddling the "Canadians leave for healthcare or they'll die" bullshit, you're truly lying. 2 people left.. For what exactly? Statistical manipulations? Yeah, I know you ignore all data and claim its manipulated to make a point, I love when right wing nuts do it. Oh lawd, explain why the majority in Britain support the NHS. No system is safe from corruption, but God damn, you truly are stupid. Americans leave for healthcare all the time, does that mean American healthcare sucks? Oh, don't apply your own standards, I forgot.. Millions of some Canadians don't have a family doctor, and guess what? They're fucking addressing it, do you know how many Americans don't have a family doctor? Want to mention that? Jesus Christ, you really are stupid. Britain trails in cancer survival rates.. Uh, ok, how do you know that's not manipulated? It's not, but I'm applying your ridiculous hogshit. Oh, funny thing: "93 percent across all of Europe" ah. There it is. Funny how you only mention cancer by the way, is that all you have to cherry pick?

And yet you have no response to the facts that blow your silly bullpoo out of the water other than to fling poo. And what is funny is you're too stupid to even try and look up how retarded you position is. What is Canada's population? 35 million. So, after the medical system has been up and running FOR DECADES they still can't get people taken care of.

"They are working on it". So, how long do they get to "work on it"? Two more decades? You're so stupid I wonder if you are capable of wiping your own ass.

there 330 million people here and we have the same and worse problems here.
that's a fact you keep dodging.

I'm dodging nothing. Obummercare will kill more people than it saves. If this country ever go's to single payer it will be even worse. If this country go's that way you had better hope you are wealthy because if you're not you are going to suffer and die long before you should. Like I said single payer is great if you're healthy but sucks when you get sick. Just ask those millions of Canadian's who STILL don't have a doctor after TWENTY YEARS!

"I'm dodging nothing. Obummercare will kill more people than it saves"
You're dodging all over the place, and the fact that you actually believe that statement is fucking hysterical, millions are now insured, deaths due to healthcare aren't rising, in fact, the only possible measure is deaths decreasing thanks to people having health insurance. It'll be even worse? How so? You're full of shit, no one goes 20 years without a doctor, you're referring to dedicated family doctors, which are lacking even in the US for many people.

 

[westwall]

Hey west wall..
WHO | Universal health coverage (UHC)

Key facts

• At least a billion people suffer each year because they cannot obtain the health services they need.
• People-centred and integrated health services are critical for reaching universal health coverage.
• About 150 million of the people who do use health services are subjected to financial catastrophe annually, and 100 million are pushed below the poverty line as a result of paying for the services they receive.

Hey David.....guess what. There are more people WITHOUT electricity than are without health insurance. SHOCKING I TELL YOU! The fact that there are ONLY a billion without care is fucking amazing. That tells you how much effort has gone into getting care to those who need it.


"Worldwide 1.3 billion people – a population equivalent to that of the entire OECD – continue to live without access to electricity. This is equivalent to 18% of the global population and 22% of those living in developing countries. Nearly 97% of those without access to electricity live in sub-Saharan Africa and developing Asia. The latest estimate for sub-Saharan Africa has been revised up by 22 million, illustrating how rapid population growth can continue to outpace the rate of electrification in many countries and conceal the progress that has been made. In developing Asia, the general trend shows an improving picture, but the pace varies. The largest populations without electricity are in India, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Bangladesh, Democratic Republic of Congo (DR Congo) and Indonesia."


IEA - Energy access database

nice false comparison.

Don't know what the fuck he was trying to get at. Health is more important then electricity on global priorities.

Which yet again proves how stupid you are. Care to guess at the device that has extended life longer than any other?

I'll make it simple for you....AIR CONDITIONING! Yeppers, that has allowed old people to live longer, more productive lives than any healthcare ever has.

You can thank me later.

 

[Obiwan]

, I see...

Unemployment goes up under a Republican, Republican's fault..

Under a Democrat, Republicans' fault...

Obama starts two illegal wars, backs a takeover by the Muslim Brotherhood (a terrorist organization) in Egypt, leaves the ME in flames... BOOOSHH!!!

now that is funny
what illegal wars did Obama start?
all the stuff you mentioned bush did...

Libya and Syria....

false they started those all by themselves hilarious propaganda though


facts
Obama has not started any wars.

US is not at war with Pakistan and never has been. US forces crossed borders going after enemy combatants. Groups such as Taliban and Al-Qaeda are not defined by or contained within nations, and crossing a border does not make it a new war with another enemy..

Libya is a strange situation, since the US is not "at war" with that country, but providing support to groups trying to overthrown the government (because Kaddafi was also an enemy of the USA) There is more than one group involved in the revolution, and they are not friendly to each other nor to the USA. This is something we probably should not be involved in, but there is an obligation to support the forces of NATO as they have helped us in the past.

Obama HAS threatened military action might be used in Syria, to stop the government from mass killings of its people; however, Congress dissented on military aid to Syria, so the Syrian government is allowed to continue committing atrocious acts, without any fear of military intervention from the USA. Today, the death toll in the Syrian Uprising is reported to be over 160,000, according to NBC News.

Unless never dropped a bomb in Libya or Syria???

Of course he did... and he continued for over 60 days without Congressional approval...

That's a war crime...

false .war powers act .. nice try.
got any proof he started it ?
none so far.

Dropping bombs???

Works for most intelligent people...