17.6 million Americans gained health insurance through law

[David_42]

Why are liberals so sick...inquiring minds want to know?

Do you realize you've just accused West Wall of being a liberal? I doubt he'll be happy with that...

Is west wall a liberal? He seems like a raging conservative who is against everything socially and economically liberal.

 

[westwall]

The Advantages And Disadvantages Of Single Payer Health Care The always rising cost of health care has lead to various individuals trying to understand their health coverage option and also search for other different health care packages which will save them money. One of the most controversial options that will save people money is the single payer health care. This package involves the citizens paying taxes for the various health care services which are offered by the government to every lady, gentleman & child. This system has been used in Canada and various European countries for years now. The advantages of single payer health care This package involves everyone paying the taxes for the different services provided by the government. With this package, the government guarantees every individual irrespective of his/her economic and social status, age and health status some health care when sick. This package will save a lot of lives as everyone’s health needs will be catered for by the government. The physician will have an easier time in the hospital after admitting a patient and diagnosing him. This system eliminates the complex billing procedure which various physicians have to follow every time they diagnose a patient. This billing statement has to be signed by the personnel in-charge, so introduction of this package eliminates this process.

With everything provided by the government, the price of health care provision will be reduced because the hospital will become a non-profit organization. The hospitals will no longer have many corporate executives who draw gigantic salaries & bonuses. This will also eliminate the need for the corporate executives to maximize profits for the hospitals shareholders. With this package you do not have to worry about being denied the health care services because of money or insurance coverage. This will eliminate the need for health indemnity covers. Even though this increase in taxes will seem high, it is quite lower for individuals who normally pay costly indemnity packages. This package will be cheaper and affordable for the lowly paid individuals. Although the doctors will be paid less as government salaried employees, they will get various bonuses. If their patients decide to take-on a lifestyle change which will help deal with the rising health care costs the doctors will then get bonuses, which is unlike the other fields where the employees do not get any bonuses for saving the government some money.


The disadvantages Various single payer system critics claim that this system will be centered-around the government and quite frankly various individuals don’t want to give the government this much power. This system will eradicate competition in this field, thus making it impossible for the individuals to seek health care services somewhere different. This will make it hard for various individuals to have various procedures crucial for their health. Since everything is paid for by the taxes in this system, many people hate the idea that their money will be paying and supporting the unhealthy decisions of others. The government bureaucratic procedures & budget issues will rationalize the health care resulting in selection of the medical procedures which will be deemed necessary which will be catered for, while the others will not be catered for. - See more at: The Advantages And Disadvantages Of Single Payer Health Care | Health, Fitness, Weight Loss, Healthy Recipes

Wow, you think a site that advocates for single payer is going to have a balanced view? You're a hoot junior!

 

[David_42]

The Advantages And Disadvantages Of Single Payer Health Care The always rising cost of health care has lead to various individuals trying to understand their health coverage option and also search for other different health care packages which will save them money. One of the most controversial options that will save people money is the single payer health care. This package involves the citizens paying taxes for the various health care services which are offered by the government to every lady, gentleman & child. This system has been used in Canada and various European countries for years now. The advantages of single payer health care This package involves everyone paying the taxes for the different services provided by the government. With this package, the government guarantees every individual irrespective of his/her economic and social status, age and health status some health care when sick. This package will save a lot of lives as everyone’s health needs will be catered for by the government. The physician will have an easier time in the hospital after admitting a patient and diagnosing him. This system eliminates the complex billing procedure which various physicians have to follow every time they diagnose a patient. This billing statement has to be signed by the personnel in-charge, so introduction of this package eliminates this process.

With everything provided by the government, the price of health care provision will be reduced because the hospital will become a non-profit organization. The hospitals will no longer have many corporate executives who draw gigantic salaries & bonuses. This will also eliminate the need for the corporate executives to maximize profits for the hospitals shareholders. With this package you do not have to worry about being denied the health care services because of money or insurance coverage. This will eliminate the need for health indemnity covers. Even though this increase in taxes will seem high, it is quite lower for individuals who normally pay costly indemnity packages. This package will be cheaper and affordable for the lowly paid individuals. Although the doctors will be paid less as government salaried employees, they will get various bonuses. If their patients decide to take-on a lifestyle change which will help deal with the rising health care costs the doctors will then get bonuses, which is unlike the other fields where the employees do not get any bonuses for saving the government some money.


The disadvantages Various single payer system critics claim that this system will be centered-around the government and quite frankly various individuals don’t want to give the government this much power. This system will eradicate competition in this field, thus making it impossible for the individuals to seek health care services somewhere different. This will make it hard for various individuals to have various procedures crucial for their health. Since everything is paid for by the taxes in this system, many people hate the idea that their money will be paying and supporting the unhealthy decisions of others. The government bureaucratic procedures & budget issues will rationalize the health care resulting in selection of the medical procedures which will be deemed necessary which will be catered for, while the others will not be catered for. - See more at: The Advantages And Disadvantages Of Single Payer Health Care | Health, Fitness, Weight Loss, Healthy Recipes

Wow, you think a site that advocates for single payer is going to have a balanced view? You're a hoot junior!

Damn, I guess the WHO and almost all international health organizations are propaganda.. You think a site advocating against single payer is balanced? Nothing is balanced buddy.

 

[Arianrhod]

Why are liberals so sick...inquiring minds want to know?

Do you realize you've just accused West Wall of being a liberal? I doubt he'll be happy with that...

Is west wall a liberal? He seems like a raging conservative who is against everything socially and economically liberal.

Exactly. But according to bear512, only liberals get sick.

I wonder if he can provide any statistics to support that?

 

[David_42]

Why are liberals so sick...inquiring minds want to know?

Do you realize you've just accused West Wall of being a liberal? I doubt he'll be happy with that...

Is west wall a liberal? He seems like a raging conservative who is against everything socially and economically liberal.

Exactly. But according to bear512, only liberals get sick.

I wonder if he can provide any statistics to support that?

Hm.. Maybe he'll talk about a made up friend who died thanks to obamacare?

 

[daws101]

LOL. Explains why virtually every other country has a single payer system/two tiered system. They live longer, businesses save money thanks to not worrying about employees healthcare, etc, etc.. I can't stand when know it all Americans act like they know anything about single payer. I saw a thread on here by a mod about a veteran at the NHS, the mod flat out lied about UHC and the NHS treated the veteran anyway. Keep up your stupidity though.

Yes, Canada's is so good that TWO of their high level politicians have fled the system to come to the USA to get treatment. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the poor and the middle class have trouble even finding a doctor much less ever getting a chance to go see one.

Yeppers, like I said, the middle class gets screwed and the rich come to the USA to get fixed up.

I suggest you look up the scandal with the UK's NHS where patients are trucked around in ambulances for HOURS so they don't have to be treated in a timely manner with the attendant deaths that occur.

And your claim that they live longer is not true either. There is a lot of statistical manipulations going on to attain those results, but let's look at the results for when you get sick....

Millions of Canadians don't have a family doctor
"OTTAWA — Tackling the shortage of family doctors in Canada should be the first step in developing any national wait-time strategy, according to a new report released Thursday.

The College of Family Physicians of Canada (CFPC) said the lack of doctors delivering primary care is slowing down the delivery of specialized care, and governments need to factor that delay into the development of wait-time benchmarks.

"Wait-time strategies need to address the complete patient experience," said Dr. Calvin Gutkin, executive director and CEO of the CFPC. "If you ask most patients, the clock starts ticking when they see their family doctor or recognize the need to see a physician."
Millions of Canadians don't have a family doctor


Britain trails in cancer survival rates
by JAMES CHAPMAN, Daily Mail

Cancer patients in Britain have a far worse chance of surviving than those in any other country in the developed world, a shocking study reveals today.
Researchers who studied data covering millions of patients in dozens of countries said their findings laid bare Britain's appalling record.
Five-year survival rates for early-stage breast cancer were only 78 per cent, against 97 per cent in the U.S. and 93 per cent across Europe.
Similarly, only 70 per cent of patients with early-stage colorectal cancer live for five years in Britain, against 90 per cent in the U.S. and 80 per cent in Germany.

Britain trails in cancer survival rates

are you claiming or non aca... medical system is better ?

Try reading the links silly boy.

don't call me boy I have Hemorrhoids older and smarter than you.

Bullshit. I can believe the hemorrhoids. Idiots like you who sit on your asses all day are afflicted with them. I've been climbing mountains for 50 years now (I climbed one yesterday!) and have known assholes older than you for half a century.

another false assumption.
fact is I got them from lifting heavy loads.
ever hauled 100 lbs lighting instruments and miles of cable up scaffolding and towers?

 

[Wyatt earp]

And yet you have no response to the facts that blow your silly bullpoo out of the water other than to fling poo. And what is funny is you're too stupid to even try and look up how retarded you position is. What is Canada's population? 35 million. So, after the medical system has been up and running FOR DECADES they still can't get people taken care of.

"They are working on it". So, how long do they get to "work on it"? Two more decades? You're so stupid I wonder if you are capable of wiping your own ass.

there 330 million people here and we have the same and worse problems here.
that's a fact you keep dodging.

I'm dodging nothing. Obummercare will kill more people than it saves. If this country ever go's to single payer it will be even worse. If this country go's that way you had better hope you are wealthy because if you're not you are going to suffer and die long before you should. Like I said single payer is great if you're healthy but sucks when you get sick. Just ask those millions of Canadian's who STILL don't have a doctor after TWENTY YEARS!

"I'm dodging nothing. Obummercare will kill more people than it saves"
You're dodging all over the place, and the fact that you actually believe that statement is fucking hysterical, millions are now insured, deaths due to healthcare aren't rising, in fact, the only possible measure is deaths decreasing thanks to people having health insurance. It'll be even worse? How so? You're full of shit, no one goes 20 years without a doctor, you're referring to dedicated family doctors, which are lacking even in the US for many people.

WTF?

I have not been to a doctor for personal reasons in 40 years....

The only reason why I had to go was because of work requirements

Why are liberals so sick...inquiring minds want to know?

Then you're putting yourself in danger. Not my problem.

In danger of what?

 

[David_42]

Regardless, I'm done going back and forth, west wall believes obamacare will bring mass amounts of death. No point in Continuing a discussion with a verified loon.

 

[westwall]

Why are liberals so sick...inquiring minds want to know?

Do you realize you've just accused West Wall of being a liberal? I doubt he'll be happy with that...

Is west wall a liberal? He seems like a raging conservative who is against everything socially and economically liberal.

Yes, i am a liberal Democrat and have been (well I must admit I flirted with Communism for a year or two, but that was mainly because of a cute woman) for all of my near 70 years. I however have a brain and can learn from mine, and others mistakes. Capitalism controlled, is the best system by far for the vast majority of the population.

Capitalism uncontrolled leads to fascism (we are very close to that now) and eventual dictatorship. Sadly that is also true of socialism and every other collective governmental system. They just get there much faster than capitalist systems.

 

[David_42]

Why are liberals so sick...inquiring minds want to know?

Do you realize you've just accused West Wall of being a liberal? I doubt he'll be happy with that...

Is west wall a liberal? He seems like a raging conservative who is against everything socially and economically liberal.

Yes, i am a liberal Democrat and have been (well I must admit I flirted with Communism for a year or two, but that was mainly because of a cute woman) for all of my near 70 years. I however have a brain and can learn from mine, and others mistakes. Capitalism controlled, is the best system by far for the vast majority of the population.

Capitalism uncontrolled leads to fascism (we are very close to that now) and eventual dictatorship. Sadly that is also true of socialism and every other collective governmental system. They just get there much faster than capitalist systems.

None of your posts reflect liberal ideas at all. Your rallying against government healthcare in support of private healthcare tells me all I need to know.

 

[daws101]

LOL. Explains why virtually every other country has a single payer system/two tiered system. They live longer, businesses save money thanks to not worrying about employees healthcare, etc, etc.. I can't stand when know it all Americans act like they know anything about single payer. I saw a thread on here by a mod about a veteran at the NHS, the mod flat out lied about UHC and the NHS treated the veteran anyway. Keep up your stupidity though.

Yes, Canada's is so good that TWO of their high level politicians have fled the system to come to the USA to get treatment. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the poor and the middle class have trouble even finding a doctor much less ever getting a chance to go see one.

Yeppers, like I said, the middle class gets screwed and the rich come to the USA to get fixed up.

I suggest you look up the scandal with the UK's NHS where patients are trucked around in ambulances for HOURS so they don't have to be treated in a timely manner with the attendant deaths that occur.

And your claim that they live longer is not true either. There is a lot of statistical manipulations going on to attain those results, but let's look at the results for when you get sick....

Millions of Canadians don't have a family doctor
"OTTAWA — Tackling the shortage of family doctors in Canada should be the first step in developing any national wait-time strategy, according to a new report released Thursday.

The College of Family Physicians of Canada (CFPC) said the lack of doctors delivering primary care is slowing down the delivery of specialized care, and governments need to factor that delay into the development of wait-time benchmarks.

"Wait-time strategies need to address the complete patient experience," said Dr. Calvin Gutkin, executive director and CEO of the CFPC. "If you ask most patients, the clock starts ticking when they see their family doctor or recognize the need to see a physician."
Millions of Canadians don't have a family doctor


Britain trails in cancer survival rates
by JAMES CHAPMAN, Daily Mail

Cancer patients in Britain have a far worse chance of surviving than those in any other country in the developed world, a shocking study reveals today.
Researchers who studied data covering millions of patients in dozens of countries said their findings laid bare Britain's appalling record.
Five-year survival rates for early-stage breast cancer were only 78 per cent, against 97 per cent in the U.S. and 93 per cent across Europe.
Similarly, only 70 per cent of patients with early-stage colorectal cancer live for five years in Britain, against 90 per cent in the U.S. and 80 per cent in Germany.

Britain trails in cancer survival rates

As expected, the ignorant idiot ^ relies on ridiculous cherry pickings and ludicrous bullshit to attempt to make a point that just isn't there. No system is perfect, certainly not out privatized system. When you start peddling the "Canadians leave for healthcare or they'll die" bullshit, you're truly lying. 2 people left.. For what exactly? Statistical manipulations? Yeah, I know you ignore all data and claim its manipulated to make a point, I love when right wing nuts do it. Oh lawd, explain why the majority in Britain support the NHS. No system is safe from corruption, but God damn, you truly are stupid. Americans leave for healthcare all the time, does that mean American healthcare sucks? Oh, don't apply your own standards, I forgot.. Millions of some Canadians don't have a family doctor, and guess what? They're fucking addressing it, do you know how many Americans don't have a family doctor? Want to mention that? Jesus Christ, you really are stupid. Britain trails in cancer survival rates.. Uh, ok, how do you know that's not manipulated? It's not, but I'm applying your ridiculous hogshit. Oh, funny thing: "93 percent across all of Europe" ah. There it is. Funny how you only mention cancer by the way, is that all you have to cherry pick?

And yet you have no response to the facts that blow your silly bullpoo out of the water other than to fling poo. And what is funny is you're too stupid to even try and look up how retarded you position is. What is Canada's population? 35 million. So, after the medical system has been up and running FOR DECADES they still can't get people taken care of.

"They are working on it". So, how long do they get to "work on it"? Two more decades? You're so stupid I wonder if you are capable of wiping your own ass.

there 330 million people here and we have the same and worse problems here.
that's a fact you keep dodging.

I'm dodging nothing. Obummercare will kill more people than it saves. If this country ever go's to single payer it will be even worse. If this country go's that way you had better hope you are wealthy because if you're not you are going to suffer and die long before you should. Like I said single payer is great if you're healthy but sucks when you get sick. Just ask those millions of Canadian's who STILL don't have a doctor after TWENTY YEARS!

specious speculation.
and it does not answer the question.

 

[westwall]

Yes, Canada's is so good that TWO of their high level politicians have fled the system to come to the USA to get treatment. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the poor and the middle class have trouble even finding a doctor much less ever getting a chance to go see one.

Yeppers, like I said, the middle class gets screwed and the rich come to the USA to get fixed up.

I suggest you look up the scandal with the UK's NHS where patients are trucked around in ambulances for HOURS so they don't have to be treated in a timely manner with the attendant deaths that occur.

And your claim that they live longer is not true either. There is a lot of statistical manipulations going on to attain those results, but let's look at the results for when you get sick....

Millions of Canadians don't have a family doctor
"OTTAWA — Tackling the shortage of family doctors in Canada should be the first step in developing any national wait-time strategy, according to a new report released Thursday.

The College of Family Physicians of Canada (CFPC) said the lack of doctors delivering primary care is slowing down the delivery of specialized care, and governments need to factor that delay into the development of wait-time benchmarks.

"Wait-time strategies need to address the complete patient experience," said Dr. Calvin Gutkin, executive director and CEO of the CFPC. "If you ask most patients, the clock starts ticking when they see their family doctor or recognize the need to see a physician."
Millions of Canadians don't have a family doctor


Britain trails in cancer survival rates
by JAMES CHAPMAN, Daily Mail

Cancer patients in Britain have a far worse chance of surviving than those in any other country in the developed world, a shocking study reveals today.
Researchers who studied data covering millions of patients in dozens of countries said their findings laid bare Britain's appalling record.
Five-year survival rates for early-stage breast cancer were only 78 per cent, against 97 per cent in the U.S. and 93 per cent across Europe.
Similarly, only 70 per cent of patients with early-stage colorectal cancer live for five years in Britain, against 90 per cent in the U.S. and 80 per cent in Germany.

Britain trails in cancer survival rates

are you claiming or non aca... medical system is better ?

Try reading the links silly boy.

don't call me boy I have Hemorrhoids older and smarter than you.

Bullshit. I can believe the hemorrhoids. Idiots like you who sit on your asses all day are afflicted with them. I've been climbing mountains for 50 years now (I climbed one yesterday!) and have known assholes older than you for half a century.

another false assumption.
fact is I got them from lifting heavy loads.
ever hauled 100 lbs lighting instruments and miles of cable up scaffolding and towers?

No, but I've hiked the entire Pacific Crest Trail (2,600ish miles) with 90 pounds on my back.

 

[daws101]

Hey west wall..
WHO | Universal health coverage (UHC)

Key facts

• At least a billion people suffer each year because they cannot obtain the health services they need.
• People-centred and integrated health services are critical for reaching universal health coverage.
• About 150 million of the people who do use health services are subjected to financial catastrophe annually, and 100 million are pushed below the poverty line as a result of paying for the services they receive.

Hey David.....guess what. There are more people WITHOUT electricity than are without health insurance. SHOCKING I TELL YOU! The fact that there are ONLY a billion without care is fucking amazing. That tells you how much effort has gone into getting care to those who need it.


"Worldwide 1.3 billion people – a population equivalent to that of the entire OECD – continue to live without access to electricity. This is equivalent to 18% of the global population and 22% of those living in developing countries. Nearly 97% of those without access to electricity live in sub-Saharan Africa and developing Asia. The latest estimate for sub-Saharan Africa has been revised up by 22 million, illustrating how rapid population growth can continue to outpace the rate of electrification in many countries and conceal the progress that has been made. In developing Asia, the general trend shows an improving picture, but the pace varies. The largest populations without electricity are in India, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Bangladesh, Democratic Republic of Congo (DR Congo) and Indonesia."


IEA - Energy access database

nice false comparison.

False? More people are without electricity than with healthcare. Electricity is easy. Healthcare is hard. They are able to provide healthcare to places with no electricity and you can't even grasp how cool that it.

You're a damned bigot is what you are.

obviously you know nothing about electricity.
falsely assuming I'm a bigot is not only funny but ironic.

 

[daws101]

are you claiming or non aca... medical system is better ?

Try reading the links silly boy.

don't call me boy I have Hemorrhoids older and smarter than you.

Bullshit. I can believe the hemorrhoids. Idiots like you who sit on your asses all day are afflicted with them. I've been climbing mountains for 50 years now (I climbed one yesterday!) and have known assholes older than you for half a century.

another false assumption.
fact is I got them from lifting heavy loads.
ever hauled 100 lbs lighting instruments and miles of cable up scaffolding and towers?

No, but I've hiked the entire Pacific Crest Trail (2,600ish miles) with 90 pounds on my back.

not impressed and not at al the same.
before cancer I was an avid camper and hiker can't say how many miles ,never bothered to count but it easily out does that.

 

[westwall]

Yes, Canada's is so good that TWO of their high level politicians have fled the system to come to the USA to get treatment. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the poor and the middle class have trouble even finding a doctor much less ever getting a chance to go see one.

Yeppers, like I said, the middle class gets screwed and the rich come to the USA to get fixed up.

I suggest you look up the scandal with the UK's NHS where patients are trucked around in ambulances for HOURS so they don't have to be treated in a timely manner with the attendant deaths that occur.

And your claim that they live longer is not true either. There is a lot of statistical manipulations going on to attain those results, but let's look at the results for when you get sick....

Millions of Canadians don't have a family doctor
"OTTAWA — Tackling the shortage of family doctors in Canada should be the first step in developing any national wait-time strategy, according to a new report released Thursday.

The College of Family Physicians of Canada (CFPC) said the lack of doctors delivering primary care is slowing down the delivery of specialized care, and governments need to factor that delay into the development of wait-time benchmarks.

"Wait-time strategies need to address the complete patient experience," said Dr. Calvin Gutkin, executive director and CEO of the CFPC. "If you ask most patients, the clock starts ticking when they see their family doctor or recognize the need to see a physician."
Millions of Canadians don't have a family doctor


Britain trails in cancer survival rates
by JAMES CHAPMAN, Daily Mail

Cancer patients in Britain have a far worse chance of surviving than those in any other country in the developed world, a shocking study reveals today.
Researchers who studied data covering millions of patients in dozens of countries said their findings laid bare Britain's appalling record.
Five-year survival rates for early-stage breast cancer were only 78 per cent, against 97 per cent in the U.S. and 93 per cent across Europe.
Similarly, only 70 per cent of patients with early-stage colorectal cancer live for five years in Britain, against 90 per cent in the U.S. and 80 per cent in Germany.

Britain trails in cancer survival rates

As expected, the ignorant idiot ^ relies on ridiculous cherry pickings and ludicrous bullshit to attempt to make a point that just isn't there. No system is perfect, certainly not out privatized system. When you start peddling the "Canadians leave for healthcare or they'll die" bullshit, you're truly lying. 2 people left.. For what exactly? Statistical manipulations? Yeah, I know you ignore all data and claim its manipulated to make a point, I love when right wing nuts do it. Oh lawd, explain why the majority in Britain support the NHS. No system is safe from corruption, but God damn, you truly are stupid. Americans leave for healthcare all the time, does that mean American healthcare sucks? Oh, don't apply your own standards, I forgot.. Millions of some Canadians don't have a family doctor, and guess what? They're fucking addressing it, do you know how many Americans don't have a family doctor? Want to mention that? Jesus Christ, you really are stupid. Britain trails in cancer survival rates.. Uh, ok, how do you know that's not manipulated? It's not, but I'm applying your ridiculous hogshit. Oh, funny thing: "93 percent across all of Europe" ah. There it is. Funny how you only mention cancer by the way, is that all you have to cherry pick?

And yet you have no response to the facts that blow your silly bullpoo out of the water other than to fling poo. And what is funny is you're too stupid to even try and look up how retarded you position is. What is Canada's population? 35 million. So, after the medical system has been up and running FOR DECADES they still can't get people taken care of.

"They are working on it". So, how long do they get to "work on it"? Two more decades? You're so stupid I wonder if you are capable of wiping your own ass.

there 330 million people here and we have the same and worse problems here.
that's a fact you keep dodging.

I'm dodging nothing. Obummercare will kill more people than it saves. If this country ever go's to single payer it will be even worse. If this country go's that way you had better hope you are wealthy because if you're not you are going to suffer and die long before you should. Like I said single payer is great if you're healthy but sucks when you get sick. Just ask those millions of Canadian's who STILL don't have a doctor after TWENTY YEARS!

specious speculation.
and it does not answer the question.

Sure it does. The Canadian and UK systems are models that we can use to infer the effect here in the USA. Hell obummercare isn't even fully implemented. Just wait for a couple of years then even a true believer will be able to see what a disaster it is going to be.

You won't ever admit it of course, but you'll see it nonetheless.

 

[westwall]

Try reading the links silly boy.

don't call me boy I have Hemorrhoids older and smarter than you.

Bullshit. I can believe the hemorrhoids. Idiots like you who sit on your asses all day are afflicted with them. I've been climbing mountains for 50 years now (I climbed one yesterday!) and have known assholes older than you for half a century.

another false assumption.
fact is I got them from lifting heavy loads.
ever hauled 100 lbs lighting instruments and miles of cable up scaffolding and towers?

No, but I've hiked the entire Pacific Crest Trail (2,600ish miles) with 90 pounds on my back.

not impressed and not at al the same.
before cancer I was an avid camper and hiker can't say how many miles ,never bothered to count but it easily out does that.

Sure you're not. And don't worry, I've climbed and hiked far more than you have because my job both allowed me to do it and in many cases required it of me. I am not better than you I just had more opportunities to do it.

How about the Appalachian Trail? You done that one? It's long at 2200 miles but a fairly easy trek. i've also done most of New Zealand, Australia, and Europe.

 

[daws101]

As expected, the ignorant idiot ^ relies on ridiculous cherry pickings and ludicrous bullshit to attempt to make a point that just isn't there. No system is perfect, certainly not out privatized system. When you start peddling the "Canadians leave for healthcare or they'll die" bullshit, you're truly lying. 2 people left.. For what exactly? Statistical manipulations? Yeah, I know you ignore all data and claim its manipulated to make a point, I love when right wing nuts do it. Oh lawd, explain why the majority in Britain support the NHS. No system is safe from corruption, but God damn, you truly are stupid. Americans leave for healthcare all the time, does that mean American healthcare sucks? Oh, don't apply your own standards, I forgot.. Millions of some Canadians don't have a family doctor, and guess what? They're fucking addressing it, do you know how many Americans don't have a family doctor? Want to mention that? Jesus Christ, you really are stupid. Britain trails in cancer survival rates.. Uh, ok, how do you know that's not manipulated? It's not, but I'm applying your ridiculous hogshit. Oh, funny thing: "93 percent across all of Europe" ah. There it is. Funny how you only mention cancer by the way, is that all you have to cherry pick?

And yet you have no response to the facts that blow your silly bullpoo out of the water other than to fling poo. And what is funny is you're too stupid to even try and look up how retarded you position is. What is Canada's population? 35 million. So, after the medical system has been up and running FOR DECADES they still can't get people taken care of.

"They are working on it". So, how long do they get to "work on it"? Two more decades? You're so stupid I wonder if you are capable of wiping your own ass.

there 330 million people here and we have the same and worse problems here.
that's a fact you keep dodging.

I'm dodging nothing. Obummercare will kill more people than it saves. If this country ever go's to single payer it will be even worse. If this country go's that way you had better hope you are wealthy because if you're not you are going to suffer and die long before you should. Like I said single payer is great if you're healthy but sucks when you get sick. Just ask those millions of Canadian's who STILL don't have a doctor after TWENTY YEARS!

"I'm dodging nothing. Obummercare will kill more people than it saves"
You're dodging all over the place, and the fact that you actually believe that statement is fucking hysterical, millions are now insured, deaths due to healthcare aren't rising, in fact, the only possible measure is deaths decreasing thanks to people having health insurance. It'll be even worse? How so? You're full of shit, no one goes 20 years without a doctor, you're referring to dedicated family doctors, which are lacking even in the US for many people.

WTF?

I have not been to a doctor for personal reasons in 40 years....

The only reason why I had to go was because of work requirements

Why are liberals so sick...inquiring minds want to know?

not going to the doctor is no proof you are healthy.
just as many republicans are ill too just to proud or stupid to see a doctor .
Btw I was like you never went to the doctor until I woke up one day after a particularly brutal load in ( show biz term for off loading set pieces and audio equipment ) and I had black bruises or a large area of my body .
long story short. if I had not gone to the doctor I would have been dead from leukemia in a matter of weeks.

 

[Two Thumbs]

more lost their ins than gained

Proof?

And what part of $18 Trillion in debt is over your head?

The Wall Street Journal's bogus numbers are actually beneath my contempt.

I saw that Westwall gave you the proof, so I won't bother piling on.

But please prove that our $18 Tnrillion in debt is bogus.

no, but you are blaming the wrong president

This is what I'm talking about.

leftist believe the most ignorant fucking lies, and they repeat them, KNOWING it's a lie.

what kind of fucking moron is still trying to blame Bush?

A leftist fucking moron that thinks obama added $0 to the debt.
Do you think increasing the size of government will add nothing to the debt? do you think the aca will add nothing to the debt?

are you this fucking dumb or do yu have another lie to tell us?

speaking of lying and being stupid no one who is sane ever said Obama did not add to the debt.
all presidents do especially when the one before turns a profit in to a loss like bush did.
Obama spent to cushion the recession cased by bush and his policies.
everything I JUST POSTED IS FACT.

The government can't make a profit.

obama copied the bad ideas of fdr and not the good ideas of Harding.

idc about bush and he's not an excuse for what obama did

 

[daws101]

As expected, the ignorant idiot ^ relies on ridiculous cherry pickings and ludicrous bullshit to attempt to make a point that just isn't there. No system is perfect, certainly not out privatized system. When you start peddling the "Canadians leave for healthcare or they'll die" bullshit, you're truly lying. 2 people left.. For what exactly? Statistical manipulations? Yeah, I know you ignore all data and claim its manipulated to make a point, I love when right wing nuts do it. Oh lawd, explain why the majority in Britain support the NHS. No system is safe from corruption, but God damn, you truly are stupid. Americans leave for healthcare all the time, does that mean American healthcare sucks? Oh, don't apply your own standards, I forgot.. Millions of some Canadians don't have a family doctor, and guess what? They're fucking addressing it, do you know how many Americans don't have a family doctor? Want to mention that? Jesus Christ, you really are stupid. Britain trails in cancer survival rates.. Uh, ok, how do you know that's not manipulated? It's not, but I'm applying your ridiculous hogshit. Oh, funny thing: "93 percent across all of Europe" ah. There it is. Funny how you only mention cancer by the way, is that all you have to cherry pick?

And yet you have no response to the facts that blow your silly bullpoo out of the water other than to fling poo. And what is funny is you're too stupid to even try and look up how retarded you position is. What is Canada's population? 35 million. So, after the medical system has been up and running FOR DECADES they still can't get people taken care of.

"They are working on it". So, how long do they get to "work on it"? Two more decades? You're so stupid I wonder if you are capable of wiping your own ass.

there 330 million people here and we have the same and worse problems here.
that's a fact you keep dodging.

I'm dodging nothing. Obummercare will kill more people than it saves. If this country ever go's to single payer it will be even worse. If this country go's that way you had better hope you are wealthy because if you're not you are going to suffer and die long before you should. Like I said single payer is great if you're healthy but sucks when you get sick. Just ask those millions of Canadian's who STILL don't have a doctor after TWENTY YEARS!

specious speculation.
and it does not answer the question.

Sure it does. The Canadian and UK systems are models that we can use to infer the effect here in the USA. Hell obummercare isn't even fully implemented. Just wait for a couple of years then even a true believer will be able to see what a disaster it is going to be.

You won't ever admit it of course, but you'll see it nonetheless.

another false assumption if it happens only a conservative would never admit it.

 

[daws101]

Proof?

The Wall Street Journal's bogus numbers are actually beneath my contempt.

I saw that Westwall gave you the proof, so I won't bother piling on.

But please prove that our $18 Tnrillion in debt is bogus.

no, but you are blaming the wrong president

This is what I'm talking about.

leftist believe the most ignorant fucking lies, and they repeat them, KNOWING it's a lie.

what kind of fucking moron is still trying to blame Bush?

A leftist fucking moron that thinks obama added $0 to the debt.
Do you think increasing the size of government will add nothing to the debt? do you think the aca will add nothing to the debt?

are you this fucking dumb or do yu have another lie to tell us?

speaking of lying and being stupid no one who is sane ever said Obama did not add to the debt.
all presidents do especially when the one before turns a profit in to a loss like bush did.
Obama spent to cushion the recession cased by bush and his policies.
everything I JUST POSTED IS FACT.

The government can't make a profit.

obama copied the bad ideas of fdr and not the good ideas of Harding.

idc about bush and he's not an excuse for what obama did

non sequitur.