1896 Film of Palestine and Jerusalem.

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Roudy you in your stupor of Rabid Zionism have forgotten to tell the folks how Jews and Zionists COLLABORATED with the NAZIS and sent 100,000's to the GAS CHAMBERS...you see Dumb Ass,your task today is to use you fuddled brain to source this material....it should take about 5 minutes..just type in "How the Jews COLLABORATED with the Nazis"

Now to put your and other Nutheads prose to the Garbage Bin of History,once and for all.

Ben Gurion (Israel's first Prime Minister...for those who should but don't know) stated in an article he wrote and published(big difference) "Palestine(his words...for the Drongoes on here to absorb) is not an empty(repeat for the Drongoes)empty country,on no account must we injure the rights of the inhabitants",... he went on to say "The Palestinian Arabs had "the full right" to an independent economic,cultural and communal life...but not political.

Do I believe what Ben Gurion wrote...Yes I do

Do I believe the Nutheads Garbage that they wear like a badge of honour on this thread...No,Fcuk do I

Palestine's population by 1914 was as follows......657,000 Muslim Arabs...81,000 Christian Arabs,and 59,000 Jews as Ben Gurion stated and by his own admission "The vast majority of Jews were NOT Zionists,but the majority were also not even citizens of the country,since most had recently fled the pogroms of Tsarist Russia" Thank you Mr Ben Gurion for your honest analysis at the time.....regrettably your "friends" in 2014 have turned out on here to be a pack of Cretinous Lowlifes.

The Zionists destroyed deliberately a peaceful way of life between peoples who lived harmoniously together,economically sound,culturally sound and inter communially sound........This terrible Terrorist Organization then deliberately hi-jacked Judaeism to intertwine with Zionism.....to give it some harmonious credibility..........Judaesim IS NOT ZIONISM,in fact it is the complete opposite.

I found a site below,that interesting shows that you could fly from New York,America to Lydd,Palestine for $607 one way or $1095 return by KLM(Royal Dutch Airways).......You see Nutheads ,...you just have NO CLASS...but you know that already...of course.

http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story414.html

Palestine remembered? I'll tell you what you can do with that POS site.

The only "collaboration" that occurred between Jews and the Nazis was for them to let the Jews escape with their lives by giving up their German citizenship and all their assets. Some "collaboration". You equate that with who and what the Mufti was? MORON.

Judaism is not Zionism? There's no Judaism without Zionism. Have you opened an Old Testament, you fucking idiot? The story of exodus and Moses leading the Jews into the promised land of Zion, and King David defeating the enemies of Zion is the opening chapters.

You Pali Nazi lovers are fucking delusional garbage spouters with no shame. You listen one of you assholes, you've heard them all.

The anti-Semites (playing at being just anti-Zionists) have all learned of the book The Transfer by Edwin Black, in which he explains how some equipment was going to be given to the Nazis in exchange for letting some Jews free instead of having them killed in a concentration camp. The book is a big hit on the NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate sites and the anti-Semites use this book as proof that the Jews corroborated with the Nazis all the time. Now Edwin Black wishes these anti-Semites would take notice of another one of his works.

Book Discussion Farhud Roots Arab-Nazi Alliance Video C-SPAN.org

Hoss Hi,as you know I have much respect for you,you are nothing like those two Pathetic Bastards Roudy and Condor.....but even with evident facts presented still keep up this crappy Anti-Semitic shit.......as a pragmatic man,I support the two State solution.....unlike most of the Zionist Wannabee Baboons on here,who are just virilant sic Zionists.......Not Semitic Jews but "Outsider Jews" the only Semitic people are Shepardic Jews and Palestinians....and what appeplexic virilant ANTI-SEMITES they are,..........Of course there is Judaism without Zionism......this is not what Zionist want you to believe......But Judaism has been around over 3000 years+...Zionist are a Terrorist Organization started circa 1870.....
"Jonny come lately's".......but the Mentally Depraved Roudy and Condor and their ilk want you to believe there is NO Judaism without Zionism....what absolute Shit........ask the Ultra's they hate the Zionists so do the Secular Jews in Israel and outside.As they should because their whole Mantra is a pack of lies.


As for me better an Asshole than a Zionist COMPULSIVE LAIR...........Don't get sucked in by their Shit Rhetoric Hoss...You are better,a lot better than that.steve,I will never change my opinion of you because I know you to be a thoroughly decent Guy......yep we don't always agree but we can always face each other man to man.

For you to view.. Jews who helped Hitler and the Nazis


www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html

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And here's Mark Weber's shiny resume. TALK ABOUT DEPRAVED, STEVO, YOU BEAT THE CAKE:



Southern Poverty Law Center
Mark Weber
Holocaust Denial Movement Rocked by Infighting (2009)
National Alliance Leader, William Pierce, Looks to Build Far-Right Alliances (1999)
Date of Birth:
1952
Groups:
Institute for Historical Review
Location:
Newport Beach, CA
Ideology:
Holocaust Denial
Since 1993, Mark Weber, who has probably done more than any other American to popularize denial of the World War II Holocaust of European Jews, has directed theInstitute for Historical Review (IHR), a once prominent denial group that has recently been in decline. He also served as the editor of IHR's now-defunct Journal of Historical Review from 1992 to 2000 and remains the organization's leading spokesperson, giving speeches and radio interviews to promote IHR's anti-Semitic propaganda. Weber shocked his denial colleagues in early 2009, when he published an essay suggesting that Holocaust denial had become counterproductive and that the real struggle should be directed against "Jewish-Zionist power."

In His Own Words
"Around the world awareness is growing that the ‘Holocaust' campaign is a major weapon in the Jewish-Zionist arsenal, that it is used to justify otherwise unjustifiable Israeli policies, and as a powerful tool for blackmailing enormous sums of money from Americans and Europeans."
— "An Open Letter to Fourteen Arab Intellectuals," 2001

"The most direct and obvious victims of Jewish-Zionist power are, of course, the Palestinians who live under Israel's harsh rule. But as the IHR has made clear for years, in truth we Americans are also victims — through the Jewish-Zionist grip on the media, and the organized Jewish-Zionist corruption of our political system."
— Speech at an Institute for Historical Review meeting in Arlington, Va., 2002

"[W]hat is happening is a worldwide conflict now, a global conflict that involves all of humanity. … [W]hether you are a conservative or a liberal, whether your primary loyalties are to your religion, to your ethnic group, to your country, to your heritage in whatever form, you will come up inevitably against this great Jewish Zionist power. … [W]hat we are involved in, is a global struggle … for the interests of us all and the interests of humanity."
— Speech at a Holocaust denial rally, April 24, 2004

"[D]espite a discouraging record of achievement, some revisionists insist that their work is vitally important because success in exposing the Holocaust as a hoax will deliver a shattering blow to Israel and Jewish-Zionist power. … In the real world struggle against Jewish-Zionist power, Holocaust revisionism has proved to be as much a hindrance as a help."
— "How Relevant is Holocaust Revisionism?", Jan. 7, 2009

Background
Born in Portland, Ore., and equipped with a master's degree in history from Indiana University, Mark Weber first appeared on the radical right in 1978, when he became news editor of National Vanguard, a publication of the National Alliance, which later evolved into one of the most important neo-Nazi groups in America. But while he remained connected to the Alliance for years, Weber was by 1979 already writing articles for The Spotlight, an anti-Semitic tabloid started by Willis Carto, and other Carto publications. In these articles, Weber referred to the Holocaust's Jewish "mythmakers," attacked the credibility of Anne Frank's diary, claimed the Allies used torture to extract false stories about extermination camps, and suggested that the testimony of victims of the Holocaust was unreliable at best.

"The Holocaust hoax is a religion," Weber wrote in 1989, according to the Anti-Defamation League. "[T]he rise of religions such as this generally coincides with the decline and fall of nations which tolerate them." The same year, he said he didn't believe that it was possible for black people to assimilate into American society.

In the mid-1980s, even though he was working closely with Carto, Weber remained a part of the Alliance and was listed as the treasurer of its Cosmotheist Church, which was an attempt by the basically atheistic group to win tax-exempt status. This is surprising because Carto and Alliance leader William Pierce had been bitter enemies since 1970, when they split as they worked to reconfigure the old Youth for Wallace group as the National Youth Alliance (which Pierce would officially rename the National Alliance four years later). Nevertheless, it was in this same period in the mid-1980s that Weber began taking a leading role at Carto's Institute for Historical Review (IHR). In 1984, Weber began leading the group's annual conferences. (These gatherings typically were highlighted by a "mystery guest," who in 1987 was Maj. Gen. Otto Ernst Remer, the unrepentant Nazi who helped crush a 1944 bomb plot against Hitler.) In 1985, Weber joined the IHR's editorial advisory committee and, in 1992, he took over as editor of IHR's Journal of Historical Review, work he did until 2000.

In 1993, with Weber's support, the IHR board ousted Carto as its leader, accusing him of interfering in editorial decisions. The next May, Carto and his wife tried to retake IHR by occupying its California offices, a situation that led to fistfights and, ultimately, Carto being forcibly removed from the building. At around the same time, another dispute between IHR and Carto broke out, with IHR leaders accusing Carto of diverting some $10 million that was allegedly left to IHR's parent company, the Legion for the Survival of Freedom.

During the decade of complex litigation that followed, Carto's Spotlight characterized Weber as a "rat," a "cockroach" and a "devil," but in the end Weber's side basically won. The Spotlight was shut down as a result of the litigation, although it was rapidly replaced with the look-alike American Free Press. Carto also created The Barnes Review, a Holocaust denial journal that now competes directly with IHR.

While Weber and IHR won their lawsuits, the fight with Carto proved to be a great distraction for the organization. It failed to maintain regular publication of its bimonthly Journal of Historical Review (no issues were published between April 1996 and May 1997) and it was unable to hold any conferences between 1994 and 2000. IHR did manage to put on a major conference in 2000, with David Irving, Ernst Zündel, and other notable Holocaust deniers in attendance, but a planned conference on "Revisionism and Zionism" in Beirut, Lebanon, in 2001, was cancelled after authorities banned it. The Lebanese decision followed international criticism of the planned conference.

Since then, Weber's IHR has continued to decline. By 2003, it stopped publishing the Journal of Historical Review and limited its conferences to mostly small, one-day affairs with speeches by Weber or other IHR staffers. In 2004, Weber did plan on attending a two-day Holocaust denial conference in Sacramento, Calif., but at the last minute, the venue refused to host the event, forcing Weber to join with representatives of the neo-Nazi National Alliance in a makeshift gathering at another location. In his keynote address, Weber went on an anti-Semitic rant, warning that all of humanity is involved in "a global struggle" against "Jewish-Zionist power."

More recently, Weber has sought publicity on James Edwards' extremist radio talk show, "The Political Cesspool," whose other guests have included Gordon Baum, head of the white supremacistCouncil of Conservative Citizens and former Klan leader and neo-Nazi David Duke. IHR also runs ads on the Cesspool.

In January 2009, Weber threw the world of Holocaust denial into turmoil with the publication of an essay asking "How Relevant Is Holocaust Revisionism?" Weber's conclusion, shocking to his colleagues on the radical right, was not very — that those on the radical right would do better to struggle against the real enemy, "Jewish-Zionist power," than on a historical debate about the Holocaust that they were largely losing. The essay set off acrimonious attacks on Weber by many of his former friends and colleagues, but hardly reflected a move by Weber to the political center. Within months of publishing the essay, he was recirculating ancient anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, complaining about those "who control political and cultural life, including the education system and the mass media." From the looks of his audience, Weber had replaced his old suit-and-tie denialist friends with hard-core anti-Semites, including open neo-Nazis and heavily tattooed racist skinheads. What this means for Holocaust denial remains an open question.

Mark Weber:
The Professional Denier
More than any other propagandist, Mark Weber, 45, embodies the Holocaust-denial movement. An articulate, media-savvy spokesperson with a master's degree in History from Indiana University, Weber got his start in the radical right in 1978, when he took the position of news editor for National Vanguard, a publication of the neo-Nazi National Alliance. In 1979, Weber also began to contribute regularly to The Spotlight, a weekly

Weber has warned against America's becoming "a sort of Mexicanized, Puerto Ricanized country. . . . I don't believe it's possible for Black Americans to be assimilated into white society."

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tabloid produced by Willis Carto's Liberty Lobby organization. His involvement with the IHR also intensified steadily over the years; initially working as a contributor to the now-defunct IHR Newsletter, Weber began serving as emcee for the group's annual conventions in 1984. In 1985 he became a member of IHR's Editorial Advisory Committee and in 1992 he became editor of the Journal of Historical Review. Following IHR's break with Carto and the subsequent departure of most professional staff members in 1993, Weber became director of the organization with one professional staff person serving under him.

Weber's more openly extremist commitment to white supremacy has not abated during his pyrrhic ascendancy through the IHR ranks. Throughout the 1980s, he maintained his contact with the National Alliance, serving, according to official documents, as treasurer of that organization's "Cosmotheist Church."

Similarly, in 1987, graduating seniors at four private high schools in Atlanta received copies of a 584-page racist and anti-Semitic book, The Dispossessed Majority, with a letter signed by Weber which stated, "... You and your classmates may expect to face grave political, economic and social problems. There will be outright discrimination against you as you compete for admission to the better colleges. Less-qualified nonwhites with lower academic standing will be pushed ahead of you by means of racial quotas and four-year scholarships."

In 1989, several ROTC cadets at Auburn University received an identical mailing from Weber. In the same year, Weber was interviewed by The Sower, a student newspaper at the University of Nebraska. In the interview, Weber stated, " l'm concerned about the future of (the white) race and I'm concerned about the future of our country." He also warned against America's becoming "a sort of Mexicanized, Puerto Ricanized country.... I don't believe it's possible for Black Americans to be assimilated into white society."

Nonetheless, it is as a Holocaust-denier that Weber has found his niche on the radical right, and it is through the IHR that he has found the platform to pursue his increasingly solitary, yet persistently hateful propaganda mission.

Well I certainly are not a denier of the Holocaust Roudy.....in fact very much the reverse as is Well Noted on this Forum....but the facts remain that Jews did collaborate with the Nazis......mind you the West never really helped the Jews during the Nazi period although they knew full well what was happening.....you once said to me to "Hang my Head in Shame".....but I have nothing to hang my head for any reason because I believe in a Free Palestine and Israel....

Why don't you and your possee Ever complain about the Germans of whom at the time were complicit with the Nazis....Why don't you complain about the other Western Countries that assisted the Nazis ??????? because plenty did..........Why always the Sufferers like the Palestinians......You posted about the Boycott...Did I disagree with you....NO, I supported You......Look the Jews worldwide are on the Nose,with Anti-Semitic threats and violence on the rise.....Why....well the awful treatment of the Palestinians has not helped your cause....there has been no fairness although you will differ....But back to this Rampant Anti-Seminism world wide........Jewish friends are becoming very nervous because the type of people creating this problem are nasty hardliners.....friends in Europe and the UK feel so uncomfortable that they feel unsafe...the level of threat has become alarming to them,Australia as an Island is not a problem,the Muslims here commune well with Jews and Christians and visa-versa......We have a few ISIS wannabees but the threat is so small....all ISIS want and do is Murder anyone in their way.......but minorities and other Muslims are their main target.......this does not affect Israel,well at ISIS current evolution.

Really we can keep harping to the past....but it is todays situation that really needs our attention and motivation....other wise we just keep cat-calling each other and going round and round in ever decreasing circles......Yep I like to stir you up,but in the end it is mentally wasteful......there really are more important things to resolve......I have as you know desired a peaceful solution for the cousins,for that essensially is what they are.....for Palestine and Israel.......I understand your point of view,of course I do.....But reality is often so different.....The Palestinians are not Jews real enemy as History proves......there are darker elements afoot that harbour Real Hatred for Jews.......and these should be eliminated.and it is this danger we should really be discussing Regards.steven...ps Thanks for setting me straight about Webber....I was wrong to post that,st

 

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1896 film showing the people in Palestine and Jerusalem in particular. Notice how Christians and Muslims are the clear majority walking the streets of Jerusalem. Will a film convince the Israel Firsters?

Nice bit of historical film, although sadly it proves very little, other than the scant Jewish presence at the time, especially Ashkenazi Europeans.

One just has to nod ones head at such Drivel

Or look for the real facts and hang your head in shame

Year	Jews	Muslims	Christians	Total	Original Source	As quoted in
1882	9,000	7,000	5,000	21,000	Wilson	Kark and Oren-Nordheim, 2001[12]
1885	15,000	6,000	14,000	35,000	Goldmann	Kark and Oren-Nordheim, 2001[12]
1893	>50%	?	?	~40,000	Albert Shaw, Writer	Shaw, 1894 [36]
1896	28,112	8,560	8,748	45,420	Calendar of Palestine for the year 5656	Harrel and Stendel, 1974
1905	13,300	11,000	8,100	32,400	1905 Ottoman census (only Ottoman citizens)	U.O.Schmelz[37]
1922	33,971	13,413	14,669	62,578	Census of Palestine (British)	Harrel and Stendel, 1974
1931	51,200	19,900	19,300	90,053	Census of Palestine (British)	Harrel and Stendel, 1974
1944	97,000	30,600	29,400	157,000	?	Harrel and Stendel, 1974
1967	195,700	54,963	12,646	263,307	Harrel, 1974

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Demographic history of Jerusalem - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Ah, Wikipedia. Interesting how there's a sudden upsurge in 1896 and all of a sudden in 1905 a 50% drop then in 1922 a 50% rise. The reality is that there was no reliable demographic of the area until the British 1922 census. Also the "Jewish" figures do not differentiate between the native sephardic population and the European Ashkenazi colonists.

Not really if you look as that sudden upsurge is less than 30%, about the same as that of the muslims. In 1905 wasn't there an Ottoman census that dealt only with Ottoman citizens as shown in the table, so the Jews, Muslims and Christians who were not Ottoman citizens were not counted. Did you miss the near 50% rise in muslim population for the same year ? Then the next result once again included all Jews, muslims and Christians in the figures

 

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1896 film showing the people in Palestine and Jerusalem in particular. Notice how Christians and Muslims are the clear majority walking the streets of Jerusalem. Will a film convince the Israel Firsters?

Nice bit of historical film, although sadly it proves very little, other than the scant Jewish presence at the time, especially Ashkenazi Europeans.

One just has to nod ones head at such Drivel

Or look for the real facts and hang your head in shame

Year	Jews	Muslims	Christians	Total	Original Source	As quoted in
1882	9,000	7,000	5,000	21,000	Wilson	Kark and Oren-Nordheim, 2001[12]
1885	15,000	6,000	14,000	35,000	Goldmann	Kark and Oren-Nordheim, 2001[12]
1893	>50%	?	?	~40,000	Albert Shaw, Writer	Shaw, 1894 [36]
1896	28,112	8,560	8,748	45,420	Calendar of Palestine for the year 5656	Harrel and Stendel, 1974
1905	13,300	11,000	8,100	32,400	1905 Ottoman census (only Ottoman citizens)	U.O.Schmelz[37]
1922	33,971	13,413	14,669	62,578	Census of Palestine (British)	Harrel and Stendel, 1974
1931	51,200	19,900	19,300	90,053	Census of Palestine (British)	Harrel and Stendel, 1974
1944	97,000	30,600	29,400	157,000	?	Harrel and Stendel, 1974
1967	195,700	54,963	12,646	263,307	Harrel, 1974

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Demographic history of Jerusalem - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

You stupid Prick,such inane table......I will furnish you with the truth later..........fancy you saying "Hang your head in Shame"....You Dickhead

What could be more truthfull than a Palestinian anti semitic Jew hater. Don't you like the fact that every true record shows the Jews to be the majority in Palestine and the arab muslims being a minority

 

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1896 film showing the people in Palestine and Jerusalem in particular. Notice how Christians and Muslims are the clear majority walking the streets of Jerusalem. Will a film convince the Israel Firsters?

Cant see any big badges on the people walking streets saying muslim or Christian. So how can you say that it is only muslims and Christians we can see ?

Only the Nazis used badges for Jews(a yellow star of David) in this footage,Palestinian Jews lived in Harmony..with others....you FOOL.

Not strictly true. The were Ottoman dress regulations for Jewish and Christian subjects of the Empire, who were supposed to wear "ghiyar" or identifying bages or symbols to denote their religion as well as restricting clothes to specific colours, although the evidence was these were not strictly enforced.

The dhimmi laws and the Pact of Omar dictated dress codes and were a non muslim could walk, live, eat and sleep. The Germans took these Islamic laws and altered them to suit the new National socialist workers party regime.

O Yeah,and Jews collaborated with Hitler to EXTERMINATE innocent Jewish people......You are a Fcuking disgrace to the Jews/Israelis and everyone on this board......Prick

No they tried to save as many Jews as they could, it was the muslims under the mufti that collaborated with the Nazi's to exterminate the Jews. And the mufti started doing so in the 1920's with the riots and massacres.

 

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Palestine remembered? I'll tell you what you can do with that POS site.

The only "collaboration" that occurred between Jews and the Nazis was for them to let the Jews escape with their lives by giving up their German citizenship and all their assets. Some "collaboration". You equate that with who and what the Mufti was? MORON.

Judaism is not Zionism? There's no Judaism without Zionism. Have you opened an Old Testament, you fucking idiot? The story of exodus and Moses leading the Jews into the promised land of Zion, and King David defeating the enemies of Zion is the opening chapters.

You Pali Nazi lovers are fucking delusional garbage spouters with no shame. You listen one of you assholes, you've heard them all.

The anti-Semites (playing at being just anti-Zionists) have all learned of the book The Transfer by Edwin Black, in which he explains how some equipment was going to be given to the Nazis in exchange for letting some Jews free instead of having them killed in a concentration camp. The book is a big hit on the NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate sites and the anti-Semites use this book as proof that the Jews corroborated with the Nazis all the time. Now Edwin Black wishes these anti-Semites would take notice of another one of his works.

Book Discussion Farhud Roots Arab-Nazi Alliance Video C-SPAN.org

Hoss Hi,as you know I have much respect for you,you are nothing like those two Pathetic Bastards Roudy and Condor.....but even with evident facts presented still keep up this crappy Anti-Semitic shit.......as a pragmatic man,I support the two State solution.....unlike most of the Zionist Wannabee Baboons on here,who are just virilant sic Zionists.......Not Semitic Jews but "Outsider Jews" the only Semitic people are Shepardic Jews and Palestinians....and what appeplexic virilant ANTI-SEMITES they are,..........Of course there is Judaism without Zionism......this is not what Zionist want you to believe......But Judaism has been around over 3000 years+...Zionist are a Terrorist Organization started circa 1870.....
"Jonny come lately's".......but the Mentally Depraved Roudy and Condor and their ilk want you to believe there is NO Judaism without Zionism....what absolute Shit........ask the Ultra's they hate the Zionists so do the Secular Jews in Israel and outside.As they should because their whole Mantra is a pack of lies.


As for me better an Asshole than a Zionist COMPULSIVE LAIR...........Don't get sucked in by their Shit Rhetoric Hoss...You are better,a lot better than that.steve,I will never change my opinion of you because I know you to be a thoroughly decent Guy......yep we don't always agree but we can always face each other man to man.

For you to view.. Jews who helped Hitler and the Nazis


www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html

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And here's Mark Weber's shiny resume. TALK ABOUT DEPRAVED, STEVO, YOU BEAT THE CAKE:



Southern Poverty Law Center
Mark Weber
Holocaust Denial Movement Rocked by Infighting (2009)
National Alliance Leader, William Pierce, Looks to Build Far-Right Alliances (1999)
Date of Birth:
1952
Groups:
Institute for Historical Review
Location:
Newport Beach, CA
Ideology:
Holocaust Denial
Since 1993, Mark Weber, who has probably done more than any other American to popularize denial of the World War II Holocaust of European Jews, has directed theInstitute for Historical Review (IHR), a once prominent denial group that has recently been in decline. He also served as the editor of IHR's now-defunct Journal of Historical Review from 1992 to 2000 and remains the organization's leading spokesperson, giving speeches and radio interviews to promote IHR's anti-Semitic propaganda. Weber shocked his denial colleagues in early 2009, when he published an essay suggesting that Holocaust denial had become counterproductive and that the real struggle should be directed against "Jewish-Zionist power."

In His Own Words
"Around the world awareness is growing that the ‘Holocaust' campaign is a major weapon in the Jewish-Zionist arsenal, that it is used to justify otherwise unjustifiable Israeli policies, and as a powerful tool for blackmailing enormous sums of money from Americans and Europeans."
— "An Open Letter to Fourteen Arab Intellectuals," 2001

"The most direct and obvious victims of Jewish-Zionist power are, of course, the Palestinians who live under Israel's harsh rule. But as the IHR has made clear for years, in truth we Americans are also victims — through the Jewish-Zionist grip on the media, and the organized Jewish-Zionist corruption of our political system."
— Speech at an Institute for Historical Review meeting in Arlington, Va., 2002

"[W]hat is happening is a worldwide conflict now, a global conflict that involves all of humanity. … [W]hether you are a conservative or a liberal, whether your primary loyalties are to your religion, to your ethnic group, to your country, to your heritage in whatever form, you will come up inevitably against this great Jewish Zionist power. … [W]hat we are involved in, is a global struggle … for the interests of us all and the interests of humanity."
— Speech at a Holocaust denial rally, April 24, 2004

"[D]espite a discouraging record of achievement, some revisionists insist that their work is vitally important because success in exposing the Holocaust as a hoax will deliver a shattering blow to Israel and Jewish-Zionist power. … In the real world struggle against Jewish-Zionist power, Holocaust revisionism has proved to be as much a hindrance as a help."
— "How Relevant is Holocaust Revisionism?", Jan. 7, 2009

Background
Born in Portland, Ore., and equipped with a master's degree in history from Indiana University, Mark Weber first appeared on the radical right in 1978, when he became news editor of National Vanguard, a publication of the National Alliance, which later evolved into one of the most important neo-Nazi groups in America. But while he remained connected to the Alliance for years, Weber was by 1979 already writing articles for The Spotlight, an anti-Semitic tabloid started by Willis Carto, and other Carto publications. In these articles, Weber referred to the Holocaust's Jewish "mythmakers," attacked the credibility of Anne Frank's diary, claimed the Allies used torture to extract false stories about extermination camps, and suggested that the testimony of victims of the Holocaust was unreliable at best.

"The Holocaust hoax is a religion," Weber wrote in 1989, according to the Anti-Defamation League. "[T]he rise of religions such as this generally coincides with the decline and fall of nations which tolerate them." The same year, he said he didn't believe that it was possible for black people to assimilate into American society.

In the mid-1980s, even though he was working closely with Carto, Weber remained a part of the Alliance and was listed as the treasurer of its Cosmotheist Church, which was an attempt by the basically atheistic group to win tax-exempt status. This is surprising because Carto and Alliance leader William Pierce had been bitter enemies since 1970, when they split as they worked to reconfigure the old Youth for Wallace group as the National Youth Alliance (which Pierce would officially rename the National Alliance four years later). Nevertheless, it was in this same period in the mid-1980s that Weber began taking a leading role at Carto's Institute for Historical Review (IHR). In 1984, Weber began leading the group's annual conferences. (These gatherings typically were highlighted by a "mystery guest," who in 1987 was Maj. Gen. Otto Ernst Remer, the unrepentant Nazi who helped crush a 1944 bomb plot against Hitler.) In 1985, Weber joined the IHR's editorial advisory committee and, in 1992, he took over as editor of IHR's Journal of Historical Review, work he did until 2000.

In 1993, with Weber's support, the IHR board ousted Carto as its leader, accusing him of interfering in editorial decisions. The next May, Carto and his wife tried to retake IHR by occupying its California offices, a situation that led to fistfights and, ultimately, Carto being forcibly removed from the building. At around the same time, another dispute between IHR and Carto broke out, with IHR leaders accusing Carto of diverting some $10 million that was allegedly left to IHR's parent company, the Legion for the Survival of Freedom.

During the decade of complex litigation that followed, Carto's Spotlight characterized Weber as a "rat," a "cockroach" and a "devil," but in the end Weber's side basically won. The Spotlight was shut down as a result of the litigation, although it was rapidly replaced with the look-alike American Free Press. Carto also created The Barnes Review, a Holocaust denial journal that now competes directly with IHR.

While Weber and IHR won their lawsuits, the fight with Carto proved to be a great distraction for the organization. It failed to maintain regular publication of its bimonthly Journal of Historical Review (no issues were published between April 1996 and May 1997) and it was unable to hold any conferences between 1994 and 2000. IHR did manage to put on a major conference in 2000, with David Irving, Ernst Zündel, and other notable Holocaust deniers in attendance, but a planned conference on "Revisionism and Zionism" in Beirut, Lebanon, in 2001, was cancelled after authorities banned it. The Lebanese decision followed international criticism of the planned conference.

Since then, Weber's IHR has continued to decline. By 2003, it stopped publishing the Journal of Historical Review and limited its conferences to mostly small, one-day affairs with speeches by Weber or other IHR staffers. In 2004, Weber did plan on attending a two-day Holocaust denial conference in Sacramento, Calif., but at the last minute, the venue refused to host the event, forcing Weber to join with representatives of the neo-Nazi National Alliance in a makeshift gathering at another location. In his keynote address, Weber went on an anti-Semitic rant, warning that all of humanity is involved in "a global struggle" against "Jewish-Zionist power."

More recently, Weber has sought publicity on James Edwards' extremist radio talk show, "The Political Cesspool," whose other guests have included Gordon Baum, head of the white supremacistCouncil of Conservative Citizens and former Klan leader and neo-Nazi David Duke. IHR also runs ads on the Cesspool.

In January 2009, Weber threw the world of Holocaust denial into turmoil with the publication of an essay asking "How Relevant Is Holocaust Revisionism?" Weber's conclusion, shocking to his colleagues on the radical right, was not very — that those on the radical right would do better to struggle against the real enemy, "Jewish-Zionist power," than on a historical debate about the Holocaust that they were largely losing. The essay set off acrimonious attacks on Weber by many of his former friends and colleagues, but hardly reflected a move by Weber to the political center. Within months of publishing the essay, he was recirculating ancient anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, complaining about those "who control political and cultural life, including the education system and the mass media." From the looks of his audience, Weber had replaced his old suit-and-tie denialist friends with hard-core anti-Semites, including open neo-Nazis and heavily tattooed racist skinheads. What this means for Holocaust denial remains an open question.

Mark Weber:
The Professional Denier
More than any other propagandist, Mark Weber, 45, embodies the Holocaust-denial movement. An articulate, media-savvy spokesperson with a master's degree in History from Indiana University, Weber got his start in the radical right in 1978, when he took the position of news editor for National Vanguard, a publication of the neo-Nazi National Alliance. In 1979, Weber also began to contribute regularly to The Spotlight, a weekly

Weber has warned against America's becoming "a sort of Mexicanized, Puerto Ricanized country. . . . I don't believe it's possible for Black Americans to be assimilated into white society."

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

tabloid produced by Willis Carto's Liberty Lobby organization. His involvement with the IHR also intensified steadily over the years; initially working as a contributor to the now-defunct IHR Newsletter, Weber began serving as emcee for the group's annual conventions in 1984. In 1985 he became a member of IHR's Editorial Advisory Committee and in 1992 he became editor of the Journal of Historical Review. Following IHR's break with Carto and the subsequent departure of most professional staff members in 1993, Weber became director of the organization with one professional staff person serving under him.

Weber's more openly extremist commitment to white supremacy has not abated during his pyrrhic ascendancy through the IHR ranks. Throughout the 1980s, he maintained his contact with the National Alliance, serving, according to official documents, as treasurer of that organization's "Cosmotheist Church."

Similarly, in 1987, graduating seniors at four private high schools in Atlanta received copies of a 584-page racist and anti-Semitic book, The Dispossessed Majority, with a letter signed by Weber which stated, "... You and your classmates may expect to face grave political, economic and social problems. There will be outright discrimination against you as you compete for admission to the better colleges. Less-qualified nonwhites with lower academic standing will be pushed ahead of you by means of racial quotas and four-year scholarships."

In 1989, several ROTC cadets at Auburn University received an identical mailing from Weber. In the same year, Weber was interviewed by The Sower, a student newspaper at the University of Nebraska. In the interview, Weber stated, " l'm concerned about the future of (the white) race and I'm concerned about the future of our country." He also warned against America's becoming "a sort of Mexicanized, Puerto Ricanized country.... I don't believe it's possible for Black Americans to be assimilated into white society."

Nonetheless, it is as a Holocaust-denier that Weber has found his niche on the radical right, and it is through the IHR that he has found the platform to pursue his increasingly solitary, yet persistently hateful propaganda mission.

Well I certainly are not a denier of the Holocaust Roudy.....in fact very much the reverse as is Well Noted on this Forum....but the facts remain that Jews did collaborate with the Nazis......mind you the West never really helped the Jews during the Nazi period although they knew full well what was happening.....you once said to me to "Hang my Head in Shame".....but I have nothing to hang my head for any reason because I believe in a Free Palestine and Israel....

Why don't you and your possee Ever complain about the Germans of whom at the time were complicit with the Nazis....Why don't you complain about the other Western Countries that assisted the Nazis ??????? because plenty did..........Why always the Sufferers like the Palestinians......You posted about the Boycott...Did I disagree with you....NO, I supported You......Look the Jews worldwide are on the Nose,with Anti-Semitic threats and violence on the rise.....Why....well the awful treatment of the Palestinians has not helped your cause....there has been no fairness although you will differ....But back to this Rampant Anti-Seminism world wide........Jewish friends are becoming very nervous because the type of people creating this problem are nasty hardliners.....friends in Europe and the UK feel so uncomfortable that they feel unsafe...the level of threat has become alarming to them,Australia as an Island is not a problem,the Muslims here commune well with Jews and Christians and visa-versa......We have a few ISIS wannabees but the threat is so small....all ISIS want and do is Murder anyone in their way.......but minorities and other Muslims are their main target.......this does not affect Israel,well at ISIS current evolution.

Really we can keep harping to the past....but it is todays situation that really needs our attention and motivation....other wise we just keep cat-calling each other and going round and round in ever decreasing circles......Yep I like to stir you up,but in the end it is mentally wasteful......there really are more important things to resolve......I have as you know desired a peaceful solution for the cousins,for that essensially is what they are.....for Palestine and Israel.......I understand your point of view,of course I do.....But reality is often so different.....The Palestinians are not Jews real enemy as History proves......there are darker elements afoot that harbour Real Hatred for Jews.......and these should be eliminated.and it is this danger we should really be discussing Regards.steven...ps Thanks for setting me straight about Webber....I was wrong to post that,st

The Palestinians have brought the treatment on themselves by being violent, terrorist child murderers who plant bombs in schools and youth disco's. When that was thwarted they made complaints to the UN about having their right to mass murder being taken away from them. Now they fire rockets at child facilities in Israel and have been found to hqave dug tunnels under Israel towards child facilities and packed them with high explosives. Those acts should not go unpunished and the people behind them should be arrested and charged in the ICJ. Not just the hamas leaders but the "civilians" that protect the terrorists from harm. We can start with team Palestine on this board and have them arrested and tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity because of their many posts inciting violence against the Jews

 

[JoeB131]

Still waiting for one of you jokers to tell me why any of htis is my problem....

Thanks.

 

[Hossfly]

A lot of folks who threw in with the Axis powers weren't Nazis. They were simply people who wanted what was best for their countries and their people.

The thing was, the British lied to the Arabs. They told them, "REvolt against the Ottomans, and we'll give you your own countries."

Instead, they handed the best parts to the Zionists. Or they would have, if htey could find enough European Jews dumb enough to go along with the scheme. Most didn't want any part of Israel before the war.

Again, that is irrelevant. And the Mufti did much more than just "throw his hat in" with the Nazis: www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com

Roudy you in your stupor of Rabid Zionism have forgotten to tell the folks how Jews and Zionists COLLABORATED with the NAZIS and sent 100,000's to the GAS CHAMBERS...you see Dumb Ass,your task today is to use you fuddled brain to source this material....it should take about 5 minutes..just type in "How the Jews COLLABORATED with the Nazis"

Now to put your and other Nutheads prose to the Garbage Bin of History,once and for all.

Ben Gurion (Israel's first Prime Minister...for those who should but don't know) stated in an article he wrote and published(big difference) "Palestine(his words...for the Drongoes on here to absorb) is not an empty(repeat for the Drongoes)empty country,on no account must we injure the rights of the inhabitants",... he went on to say "The Palestinian Arabs had "the full right" to an independent economic,cultural and communal life...but not political.

Do I believe what Ben Gurion wrote...Yes I do

Do I believe the Nutheads Garbage that they wear like a badge of honour on this thread...No,Fcuk do I

Palestine's population by 1914 was as follows......657,000 Muslim Arabs...81,000 Christian Arabs,and 59,000 Jews as Ben Gurion stated and by his own admission "The vast majority of Jews were NOT Zionists,but the majority were also not even citizens of the country,since most had recently fled the pogroms of Tsarist Russia" Thank you Mr Ben Gurion for your honest analysis at the time.....regrettably your "friends" in 2014 have turned out on here to be a pack of Cretinous Lowlifes.

The Zionists destroyed deliberately a peaceful way of life between peoples who lived harmoniously together,economically sound,culturally sound and inter communially sound........This terrible Terrorist Organization then deliberately hi-jacked Judaeism to intertwine with Zionism.....to give it some harmonious credibility..........Judaesim IS NOT ZIONISM,in fact it is the complete opposite.

I found a site below,that interesting shows that you could fly from New York,America to Lydd,Palestine for $607 one way or $1095 return by KLM(Royal Dutch Airways).......You see Nutheads ,...you just have NO CLASS...but you know that already...of course.

http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story414.html

Palestine remembered? I'll tell you what you can do with that POS site.

The only "collaboration" that occurred between Jews and the Nazis was for them to let the Jews escape with their lives by giving up their German citizenship and all their assets. Some "collaboration". You equate that with who and what the Mufti was? MORON.

Judaism is not Zionism? There's no Judaism without Zionism. Have you opened an Old Testament, you fucking idiot? The story of exodus and Moses leading the Jews into the promised land of Zion, and King David defeating the enemies of Zion is the opening chapters.

You Pali Nazi lovers are fucking delusional garbage spouters with no shame. You listen one of you assholes, you've heard them all.

The anti-Semites (playing at being just anti-Zionists) have all learned of the book The Transfer by Edwin Black, in which he explains how some equipment was going to be given to the Nazis in exchange for letting some Jews free instead of having them killed in a concentration camp. The book is a big hit on the NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate sites and the anti-Semites use this book as proof that the Jews corroborated with the Nazis all the time. Now Edwin Black wishes these anti-Semites would take notice of another one of his works.

Book Discussion Farhud Roots Arab-Nazi Alliance Video C-SPAN.org

Hoss Hi,as you know I have much respect for you,you are nothing like those two Pathetic Bastards Roudy and Condor.....but even with evident facts presented still keep up this crappy Anti-Semitic shit.......as a pragmatic man,I support the two State solution.....unlike most of the Zionist Wannabee Baboons on here,who are just virilant sic Zionists.......Not Semitic Jews but "Outsider Jews" the only Semitic people are Shepardic Jews and Palestinians....and what appeplexic virilant ANTI-SEMITES they are,..........Of course there is Judaism without Zionism......this is not what Zionist want you to believe......But Judaism has been around over 3000 years+...Zionist are a Terrorist Organization started circa 1870.....
"Jonny come lately's".......but the Mentally Depraved Roudy and Condor and their ilk want you to believe there is NO Judaism without Zionism....what absolute Shit........ask the Ultra's they hate the Zionists so do the Secular Jews in Israel and outside.As they should because their whole Mantra is a pack of lies.


As for me better an Asshole than a Zionist COMPULSIVE LAIR...........Don't get sucked in by their Shit Rhetoric Hoss...You are better,a lot better than that.steve,I will never change my opinion of you because I know you to be a thoroughly decent Guy......yep we don't always agree but we can always face each other man to man.

For you to view.. Jews who helped Hitler and the Nazis


www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html

Steve, if you want to portray yourself as neutral and an advocate of a two state solution, then please don't post links from sick Jew-haters and Holocaust deniers. Plus, the fact that you slam Zionism and exclude Palestinian terror and crimes gives me doubts about your sincerity. Another item is the Jews who fought for Hitler. That is a known fact but if you watch the American Heroes Channel, formerly The Military Channel, a series on Hitler and the Nazis are shown periodically. One episode is "Jews Who Fought For Hitler." Most people will understand why they did and not make it a spectacular discovery. If you don't get the channel I can post the episode. Carry on.

 

[Hossfly]

Still waiting for one of you jokers to tell me why any of htis is my problem....

Thanks.

Are you some sort of VIP?

 

[montelatici]

The anti-Semites (playing at being just anti-Zionists) have all learned of the book The Transfer by Edwin Black, in which he explains how some equipment was going to be given to the Nazis in exchange for letting some Jews free instead of having them killed in a concentration camp. The book is a big hit on the NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate sites and the anti-Semites use this book as proof that the Jews corroborated with the Nazis all the time. Now Edwin Black wishes these anti-Semites would take notice of another one of his works.

Book Discussion Farhud Roots Arab-Nazi Alliance Video C-SPAN.org

Hoss Hi,as you know I have much respect for you,you are nothing like those two Pathetic Bastards Roudy and Condor.....but even with evident facts presented still keep up this crappy Anti-Semitic shit.......as a pragmatic man,I support the two State solution.....unlike most of the Zionist Wannabee Baboons on here,who are just virilant sic Zionists.......Not Semitic Jews but "Outsider Jews" the only Semitic people are Shepardic Jews and Palestinians....and what appeplexic virilant ANTI-SEMITES they are,..........Of course there is Judaism without Zionism......this is not what Zionist want you to believe......But Judaism has been around over 3000 years+...Zionist are a Terrorist Organization started circa 1870.....
"Jonny come lately's".......but the Mentally Depraved Roudy and Condor and their ilk want you to believe there is NO Judaism without Zionism....what absolute Shit........ask the Ultra's they hate the Zionists so do the Secular Jews in Israel and outside.As they should because their whole Mantra is a pack of lies.


As for me better an Asshole than a Zionist COMPULSIVE LAIR...........Don't get sucked in by their Shit Rhetoric Hoss...You are better,a lot better than that.steve,I will never change my opinion of you because I know you to be a thoroughly decent Guy......yep we don't always agree but we can always face each other man to man.

For you to view.. Jews who helped Hitler and the Nazis


www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html

^^^^^^^^^^^
And here's Mark Weber's shiny resume. TALK ABOUT DEPRAVED, STEVO, YOU BEAT THE CAKE:



Southern Poverty Law Center
Mark Weber
Holocaust Denial Movement Rocked by Infighting (2009)
National Alliance Leader, William Pierce, Looks to Build Far-Right Alliances (1999)
Date of Birth:
1952
Groups:
Institute for Historical Review
Location:
Newport Beach, CA
Ideology:
Holocaust Denial
Since 1993, Mark Weber, who has probably done more than any other American to popularize denial of the World War II Holocaust of European Jews, has directed theInstitute for Historical Review (IHR), a once prominent denial group that has recently been in decline. He also served as the editor of IHR's now-defunct Journal of Historical Review from 1992 to 2000 and remains the organization's leading spokesperson, giving speeches and radio interviews to promote IHR's anti-Semitic propaganda. Weber shocked his denial colleagues in early 2009, when he published an essay suggesting that Holocaust denial had become counterproductive and that the real struggle should be directed against "Jewish-Zionist power."

In His Own Words
"Around the world awareness is growing that the ‘Holocaust' campaign is a major weapon in the Jewish-Zionist arsenal, that it is used to justify otherwise unjustifiable Israeli policies, and as a powerful tool for blackmailing enormous sums of money from Americans and Europeans."
— "An Open Letter to Fourteen Arab Intellectuals," 2001

"The most direct and obvious victims of Jewish-Zionist power are, of course, the Palestinians who live under Israel's harsh rule. But as the IHR has made clear for years, in truth we Americans are also victims — through the Jewish-Zionist grip on the media, and the organized Jewish-Zionist corruption of our political system."
— Speech at an Institute for Historical Review meeting in Arlington, Va., 2002

"[W]hat is happening is a worldwide conflict now, a global conflict that involves all of humanity. … [W]hether you are a conservative or a liberal, whether your primary loyalties are to your religion, to your ethnic group, to your country, to your heritage in whatever form, you will come up inevitably against this great Jewish Zionist power. … [W]hat we are involved in, is a global struggle … for the interests of us all and the interests of humanity."
— Speech at a Holocaust denial rally, April 24, 2004

"[D]espite a discouraging record of achievement, some revisionists insist that their work is vitally important because success in exposing the Holocaust as a hoax will deliver a shattering blow to Israel and Jewish-Zionist power. … In the real world struggle against Jewish-Zionist power, Holocaust revisionism has proved to be as much a hindrance as a help."
— "How Relevant is Holocaust Revisionism?", Jan. 7, 2009

Background
Born in Portland, Ore., and equipped with a master's degree in history from Indiana University, Mark Weber first appeared on the radical right in 1978, when he became news editor of National Vanguard, a publication of the National Alliance, which later evolved into one of the most important neo-Nazi groups in America. But while he remained connected to the Alliance for years, Weber was by 1979 already writing articles for The Spotlight, an anti-Semitic tabloid started by Willis Carto, and other Carto publications. In these articles, Weber referred to the Holocaust's Jewish "mythmakers," attacked the credibility of Anne Frank's diary, claimed the Allies used torture to extract false stories about extermination camps, and suggested that the testimony of victims of the Holocaust was unreliable at best.

"The Holocaust hoax is a religion," Weber wrote in 1989, according to the Anti-Defamation League. "[T]he rise of religions such as this generally coincides with the decline and fall of nations which tolerate them." The same year, he said he didn't believe that it was possible for black people to assimilate into American society.

In the mid-1980s, even though he was working closely with Carto, Weber remained a part of the Alliance and was listed as the treasurer of its Cosmotheist Church, which was an attempt by the basically atheistic group to win tax-exempt status. This is surprising because Carto and Alliance leader William Pierce had been bitter enemies since 1970, when they split as they worked to reconfigure the old Youth for Wallace group as the National Youth Alliance (which Pierce would officially rename the National Alliance four years later). Nevertheless, it was in this same period in the mid-1980s that Weber began taking a leading role at Carto's Institute for Historical Review (IHR). In 1984, Weber began leading the group's annual conferences. (These gatherings typically were highlighted by a "mystery guest," who in 1987 was Maj. Gen. Otto Ernst Remer, the unrepentant Nazi who helped crush a 1944 bomb plot against Hitler.) In 1985, Weber joined the IHR's editorial advisory committee and, in 1992, he took over as editor of IHR's Journal of Historical Review, work he did until 2000.

In 1993, with Weber's support, the IHR board ousted Carto as its leader, accusing him of interfering in editorial decisions. The next May, Carto and his wife tried to retake IHR by occupying its California offices, a situation that led to fistfights and, ultimately, Carto being forcibly removed from the building. At around the same time, another dispute between IHR and Carto broke out, with IHR leaders accusing Carto of diverting some $10 million that was allegedly left to IHR's parent company, the Legion for the Survival of Freedom.

During the decade of complex litigation that followed, Carto's Spotlight characterized Weber as a "rat," a "cockroach" and a "devil," but in the end Weber's side basically won. The Spotlight was shut down as a result of the litigation, although it was rapidly replaced with the look-alike American Free Press. Carto also created The Barnes Review, a Holocaust denial journal that now competes directly with IHR.

While Weber and IHR won their lawsuits, the fight with Carto proved to be a great distraction for the organization. It failed to maintain regular publication of its bimonthly Journal of Historical Review (no issues were published between April 1996 and May 1997) and it was unable to hold any conferences between 1994 and 2000. IHR did manage to put on a major conference in 2000, with David Irving, Ernst Zündel, and other notable Holocaust deniers in attendance, but a planned conference on "Revisionism and Zionism" in Beirut, Lebanon, in 2001, was cancelled after authorities banned it. The Lebanese decision followed international criticism of the planned conference.

Since then, Weber's IHR has continued to decline. By 2003, it stopped publishing the Journal of Historical Review and limited its conferences to mostly small, one-day affairs with speeches by Weber or other IHR staffers. In 2004, Weber did plan on attending a two-day Holocaust denial conference in Sacramento, Calif., but at the last minute, the venue refused to host the event, forcing Weber to join with representatives of the neo-Nazi National Alliance in a makeshift gathering at another location. In his keynote address, Weber went on an anti-Semitic rant, warning that all of humanity is involved in "a global struggle" against "Jewish-Zionist power."

More recently, Weber has sought publicity on James Edwards' extremist radio talk show, "The Political Cesspool," whose other guests have included Gordon Baum, head of the white supremacistCouncil of Conservative Citizens and former Klan leader and neo-Nazi David Duke. IHR also runs ads on the Cesspool.

In January 2009, Weber threw the world of Holocaust denial into turmoil with the publication of an essay asking "How Relevant Is Holocaust Revisionism?" Weber's conclusion, shocking to his colleagues on the radical right, was not very — that those on the radical right would do better to struggle against the real enemy, "Jewish-Zionist power," than on a historical debate about the Holocaust that they were largely losing. The essay set off acrimonious attacks on Weber by many of his former friends and colleagues, but hardly reflected a move by Weber to the political center. Within months of publishing the essay, he was recirculating ancient anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, complaining about those "who control political and cultural life, including the education system and the mass media." From the looks of his audience, Weber had replaced his old suit-and-tie denialist friends with hard-core anti-Semites, including open neo-Nazis and heavily tattooed racist skinheads. What this means for Holocaust denial remains an open question.

Mark Weber:
The Professional Denier
More than any other propagandist, Mark Weber, 45, embodies the Holocaust-denial movement. An articulate, media-savvy spokesperson with a master's degree in History from Indiana University, Weber got his start in the radical right in 1978, when he took the position of news editor for National Vanguard, a publication of the neo-Nazi National Alliance. In 1979, Weber also began to contribute regularly to The Spotlight, a weekly

Weber has warned against America's becoming "a sort of Mexicanized, Puerto Ricanized country. . . . I don't believe it's possible for Black Americans to be assimilated into white society."

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

tabloid produced by Willis Carto's Liberty Lobby organization. His involvement with the IHR also intensified steadily over the years; initially working as a contributor to the now-defunct IHR Newsletter, Weber began serving as emcee for the group's annual conventions in 1984. In 1985 he became a member of IHR's Editorial Advisory Committee and in 1992 he became editor of the Journal of Historical Review. Following IHR's break with Carto and the subsequent departure of most professional staff members in 1993, Weber became director of the organization with one professional staff person serving under him.

Weber's more openly extremist commitment to white supremacy has not abated during his pyrrhic ascendancy through the IHR ranks. Throughout the 1980s, he maintained his contact with the National Alliance, serving, according to official documents, as treasurer of that organization's "Cosmotheist Church."

Similarly, in 1987, graduating seniors at four private high schools in Atlanta received copies of a 584-page racist and anti-Semitic book, The Dispossessed Majority, with a letter signed by Weber which stated, "... You and your classmates may expect to face grave political, economic and social problems. There will be outright discrimination against you as you compete for admission to the better colleges. Less-qualified nonwhites with lower academic standing will be pushed ahead of you by means of racial quotas and four-year scholarships."

In 1989, several ROTC cadets at Auburn University received an identical mailing from Weber. In the same year, Weber was interviewed by The Sower, a student newspaper at the University of Nebraska. In the interview, Weber stated, " l'm concerned about the future of (the white) race and I'm concerned about the future of our country." He also warned against America's becoming "a sort of Mexicanized, Puerto Ricanized country.... I don't believe it's possible for Black Americans to be assimilated into white society."

Nonetheless, it is as a Holocaust-denier that Weber has found his niche on the radical right, and it is through the IHR that he has found the platform to pursue his increasingly solitary, yet persistently hateful propaganda mission.

Well I certainly are not a denier of the Holocaust Roudy.....in fact very much the reverse as is Well Noted on this Forum....but the facts remain that Jews did collaborate with the Nazis......mind you the West never really helped the Jews during the Nazi period although they knew full well what was happening.....you once said to me to "Hang my Head in Shame".....but I have nothing to hang my head for any reason because I believe in a Free Palestine and Israel....

Why don't you and your possee Ever complain about the Germans of whom at the time were complicit with the Nazis....Why don't you complain about the other Western Countries that assisted the Nazis ??????? because plenty did..........Why always the Sufferers like the Palestinians......You posted about the Boycott...Did I disagree with you....NO, I supported You......Look the Jews worldwide are on the Nose,with Anti-Semitic threats and violence on the rise.....Why....well the awful treatment of the Palestinians has not helped your cause....there has been no fairness although you will differ....But back to this Rampant Anti-Seminism world wide........Jewish friends are becoming very nervous because the type of people creating this problem are nasty hardliners.....friends in Europe and the UK feel so uncomfortable that they feel unsafe...the level of threat has become alarming to them,Australia as an Island is not a problem,the Muslims here commune well with Jews and Christians and visa-versa......We have a few ISIS wannabees but the threat is so small....all ISIS want and do is Murder anyone in their way.......but minorities and other Muslims are their main target.......this does not affect Israel,well at ISIS current evolution.

Really we can keep harping to the past....but it is todays situation that really needs our attention and motivation....other wise we just keep cat-calling each other and going round and round in ever decreasing circles......Yep I like to stir you up,but in the end it is mentally wasteful......there really are more important things to resolve......I have as you know desired a peaceful solution for the cousins,for that essensially is what they are.....for Palestine and Israel.......I understand your point of view,of course I do.....But reality is often so different.....The Palestinians are not Jews real enemy as History proves......there are darker elements afoot that harbour Real Hatred for Jews.......and these should be eliminated.and it is this danger we should really be discussing Regards.steven...ps Thanks for setting me straight about Webber....I was wrong to post that,st

The Palestinians have brought the treatment on themselves by being violent, terrorist child murderers who plant bombs in schools and youth disco's. When that was thwarted they made complaints to the UN about having their right to mass murder being taken away from them. Now they fire rockets at child facilities in Israel and have been found to hqave dug tunnels under Israel towards child facilities and packed them with high explosives. Those acts should not go unpunished and the people behind them should be arrested and charged in the ICJ. Not just the hamas leaders but the "civilians" that protect the terrorists from harm. We can start with team Palestine on this board and have them arrested and tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity because of their many posts inciting violence against the Jews

The Palestinians, Christians and Muslims, have only resisted the settlement and subsequent theft of land and their removal on the part of Europeans. They have done no less or no more than the IRA has done to establish the Republic of Ireland.

 

[docmauser1]

The Palestinians, Christians and Muslims, have only resisted the settlement and subsequent theft of land and their removal on the part of Europeans. They have done no less or no more than the IRA has done to establish the Republic of Ireland.

The Grand-Sheikh of Palestine delivered land transfer papers to Ben Gurion personally!

 

[Challenger]

The Palestinians, Christians and Muslims, have only resisted the settlement and subsequent theft of land and their removal on the part of Europeans. They have done no less or no more than the IRA has done to establish the Republic of Ireland.

The Grand-Sheikh of Palestine delivered land transfer papers to Ben Gurion personally!

 

[docmauser1]

The Palestinians, Christians and Muslims, have only resisted the settlement and subsequent theft of land and their removal on the part of Europeans. They have done no less or no more than the IRA has done to establish the Republic of Ireland.

The Grand-Sheikh of Palestine delivered land transfer papers to Ben Gurion personally!

Oh, bog off.

 

[Roudy]

Hoss Hi,as you know I have much respect for you,you are nothing like those two Pathetic Bastards Roudy and Condor.....but even with evident facts presented still keep up this crappy Anti-Semitic shit.......as a pragmatic man,I support the two State solution.....unlike most of the Zionist Wannabee Baboons on here,who are just virilant sic Zionists.......Not Semitic Jews but "Outsider Jews" the only Semitic people are Shepardic Jews and Palestinians....and what appeplexic virilant ANTI-SEMITES they are,..........Of course there is Judaism without Zionism......this is not what Zionist want you to believe......But Judaism has been around over 3000 years+...Zionist are a Terrorist Organization started circa 1870.....
"Jonny come lately's".......but the Mentally Depraved Roudy and Condor and their ilk want you to believe there is NO Judaism without Zionism....what absolute Shit........ask the Ultra's they hate the Zionists so do the Secular Jews in Israel and outside.As they should because their whole Mantra is a pack of lies.


As for me better an Asshole than a Zionist COMPULSIVE LAIR...........Don't get sucked in by their Shit Rhetoric Hoss...You are better,a lot better than that.steve,I will never change my opinion of you because I know you to be a thoroughly decent Guy......yep we don't always agree but we can always face each other man to man.

For you to view.. Jews who helped Hitler and the Nazis


www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html

^^^^^^^^^^^
And here's Mark Weber's shiny resume. TALK ABOUT DEPRAVED, STEVO, YOU BEAT THE CAKE:



Southern Poverty Law Center
Mark Weber
Holocaust Denial Movement Rocked by Infighting (2009)
National Alliance Leader, William Pierce, Looks to Build Far-Right Alliances (1999)
Date of Birth:
1952
Groups:
Institute for Historical Review
Location:
Newport Beach, CA
Ideology:
Holocaust Denial
Since 1993, Mark Weber, who has probably done more than any other American to popularize denial of the World War II Holocaust of European Jews, has directed theInstitute for Historical Review (IHR), a once prominent denial group that has recently been in decline. He also served as the editor of IHR's now-defunct Journal of Historical Review from 1992 to 2000 and remains the organization's leading spokesperson, giving speeches and radio interviews to promote IHR's anti-Semitic propaganda. Weber shocked his denial colleagues in early 2009, when he published an essay suggesting that Holocaust denial had become counterproductive and that the real struggle should be directed against "Jewish-Zionist power."

In His Own Words
"Around the world awareness is growing that the ‘Holocaust' campaign is a major weapon in the Jewish-Zionist arsenal, that it is used to justify otherwise unjustifiable Israeli policies, and as a powerful tool for blackmailing enormous sums of money from Americans and Europeans."
— "An Open Letter to Fourteen Arab Intellectuals," 2001

"The most direct and obvious victims of Jewish-Zionist power are, of course, the Palestinians who live under Israel's harsh rule. But as the IHR has made clear for years, in truth we Americans are also victims — through the Jewish-Zionist grip on the media, and the organized Jewish-Zionist corruption of our political system."
— Speech at an Institute for Historical Review meeting in Arlington, Va., 2002

"[W]hat is happening is a worldwide conflict now, a global conflict that involves all of humanity. … [W]hether you are a conservative or a liberal, whether your primary loyalties are to your religion, to your ethnic group, to your country, to your heritage in whatever form, you will come up inevitably against this great Jewish Zionist power. … [W]hat we are involved in, is a global struggle … for the interests of us all and the interests of humanity."
— Speech at a Holocaust denial rally, April 24, 2004

"[D]espite a discouraging record of achievement, some revisionists insist that their work is vitally important because success in exposing the Holocaust as a hoax will deliver a shattering blow to Israel and Jewish-Zionist power. … In the real world struggle against Jewish-Zionist power, Holocaust revisionism has proved to be as much a hindrance as a help."
— "How Relevant is Holocaust Revisionism?", Jan. 7, 2009

Background
Born in Portland, Ore., and equipped with a master's degree in history from Indiana University, Mark Weber first appeared on the radical right in 1978, when he became news editor of National Vanguard, a publication of the National Alliance, which later evolved into one of the most important neo-Nazi groups in America. But while he remained connected to the Alliance for years, Weber was by 1979 already writing articles for The Spotlight, an anti-Semitic tabloid started by Willis Carto, and other Carto publications. In these articles, Weber referred to the Holocaust's Jewish "mythmakers," attacked the credibility of Anne Frank's diary, claimed the Allies used torture to extract false stories about extermination camps, and suggested that the testimony of victims of the Holocaust was unreliable at best.

"The Holocaust hoax is a religion," Weber wrote in 1989, according to the Anti-Defamation League. "[T]he rise of religions such as this generally coincides with the decline and fall of nations which tolerate them." The same year, he said he didn't believe that it was possible for black people to assimilate into American society.

In the mid-1980s, even though he was working closely with Carto, Weber remained a part of the Alliance and was listed as the treasurer of its Cosmotheist Church, which was an attempt by the basically atheistic group to win tax-exempt status. This is surprising because Carto and Alliance leader William Pierce had been bitter enemies since 1970, when they split as they worked to reconfigure the old Youth for Wallace group as the National Youth Alliance (which Pierce would officially rename the National Alliance four years later). Nevertheless, it was in this same period in the mid-1980s that Weber began taking a leading role at Carto's Institute for Historical Review (IHR). In 1984, Weber began leading the group's annual conferences. (These gatherings typically were highlighted by a "mystery guest," who in 1987 was Maj. Gen. Otto Ernst Remer, the unrepentant Nazi who helped crush a 1944 bomb plot against Hitler.) In 1985, Weber joined the IHR's editorial advisory committee and, in 1992, he took over as editor of IHR's Journal of Historical Review, work he did until 2000.

In 1993, with Weber's support, the IHR board ousted Carto as its leader, accusing him of interfering in editorial decisions. The next May, Carto and his wife tried to retake IHR by occupying its California offices, a situation that led to fistfights and, ultimately, Carto being forcibly removed from the building. At around the same time, another dispute between IHR and Carto broke out, with IHR leaders accusing Carto of diverting some $10 million that was allegedly left to IHR's parent company, the Legion for the Survival of Freedom.

During the decade of complex litigation that followed, Carto's Spotlight characterized Weber as a "rat," a "cockroach" and a "devil," but in the end Weber's side basically won. The Spotlight was shut down as a result of the litigation, although it was rapidly replaced with the look-alike American Free Press. Carto also created The Barnes Review, a Holocaust denial journal that now competes directly with IHR.

While Weber and IHR won their lawsuits, the fight with Carto proved to be a great distraction for the organization. It failed to maintain regular publication of its bimonthly Journal of Historical Review (no issues were published between April 1996 and May 1997) and it was unable to hold any conferences between 1994 and 2000. IHR did manage to put on a major conference in 2000, with David Irving, Ernst Zündel, and other notable Holocaust deniers in attendance, but a planned conference on "Revisionism and Zionism" in Beirut, Lebanon, in 2001, was cancelled after authorities banned it. The Lebanese decision followed international criticism of the planned conference.

Since then, Weber's IHR has continued to decline. By 2003, it stopped publishing the Journal of Historical Review and limited its conferences to mostly small, one-day affairs with speeches by Weber or other IHR staffers. In 2004, Weber did plan on attending a two-day Holocaust denial conference in Sacramento, Calif., but at the last minute, the venue refused to host the event, forcing Weber to join with representatives of the neo-Nazi National Alliance in a makeshift gathering at another location. In his keynote address, Weber went on an anti-Semitic rant, warning that all of humanity is involved in "a global struggle" against "Jewish-Zionist power."

More recently, Weber has sought publicity on James Edwards' extremist radio talk show, "The Political Cesspool," whose other guests have included Gordon Baum, head of the white supremacistCouncil of Conservative Citizens and former Klan leader and neo-Nazi David Duke. IHR also runs ads on the Cesspool.

In January 2009, Weber threw the world of Holocaust denial into turmoil with the publication of an essay asking "How Relevant Is Holocaust Revisionism?" Weber's conclusion, shocking to his colleagues on the radical right, was not very — that those on the radical right would do better to struggle against the real enemy, "Jewish-Zionist power," than on a historical debate about the Holocaust that they were largely losing. The essay set off acrimonious attacks on Weber by many of his former friends and colleagues, but hardly reflected a move by Weber to the political center. Within months of publishing the essay, he was recirculating ancient anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, complaining about those "who control political and cultural life, including the education system and the mass media." From the looks of his audience, Weber had replaced his old suit-and-tie denialist friends with hard-core anti-Semites, including open neo-Nazis and heavily tattooed racist skinheads. What this means for Holocaust denial remains an open question.

Mark Weber:
The Professional Denier
More than any other propagandist, Mark Weber, 45, embodies the Holocaust-denial movement. An articulate, media-savvy spokesperson with a master's degree in History from Indiana University, Weber got his start in the radical right in 1978, when he took the position of news editor for National Vanguard, a publication of the neo-Nazi National Alliance. In 1979, Weber also began to contribute regularly to The Spotlight, a weekly

Weber has warned against America's becoming "a sort of Mexicanized, Puerto Ricanized country. . . . I don't believe it's possible for Black Americans to be assimilated into white society."

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tabloid produced by Willis Carto's Liberty Lobby organization. His involvement with the IHR also intensified steadily over the years; initially working as a contributor to the now-defunct IHR Newsletter, Weber began serving as emcee for the group's annual conventions in 1984. In 1985 he became a member of IHR's Editorial Advisory Committee and in 1992 he became editor of the Journal of Historical Review. Following IHR's break with Carto and the subsequent departure of most professional staff members in 1993, Weber became director of the organization with one professional staff person serving under him.

Weber's more openly extremist commitment to white supremacy has not abated during his pyrrhic ascendancy through the IHR ranks. Throughout the 1980s, he maintained his contact with the National Alliance, serving, according to official documents, as treasurer of that organization's "Cosmotheist Church."

Similarly, in 1987, graduating seniors at four private high schools in Atlanta received copies of a 584-page racist and anti-Semitic book, The Dispossessed Majority, with a letter signed by Weber which stated, "... You and your classmates may expect to face grave political, economic and social problems. There will be outright discrimination against you as you compete for admission to the better colleges. Less-qualified nonwhites with lower academic standing will be pushed ahead of you by means of racial quotas and four-year scholarships."

In 1989, several ROTC cadets at Auburn University received an identical mailing from Weber. In the same year, Weber was interviewed by The Sower, a student newspaper at the University of Nebraska. In the interview, Weber stated, " l'm concerned about the future of (the white) race and I'm concerned about the future of our country." He also warned against America's becoming "a sort of Mexicanized, Puerto Ricanized country.... I don't believe it's possible for Black Americans to be assimilated into white society."

Nonetheless, it is as a Holocaust-denier that Weber has found his niche on the radical right, and it is through the IHR that he has found the platform to pursue his increasingly solitary, yet persistently hateful propaganda mission.

Well I certainly are not a denier of the Holocaust Roudy.....in fact very much the reverse as is Well Noted on this Forum....but the facts remain that Jews did collaborate with the Nazis......mind you the West never really helped the Jews during the Nazi period although they knew full well what was happening.....you once said to me to "Hang my Head in Shame".....but I have nothing to hang my head for any reason because I believe in a Free Palestine and Israel....

Why don't you and your possee Ever complain about the Germans of whom at the time were complicit with the Nazis....Why don't you complain about the other Western Countries that assisted the Nazis ??????? because plenty did..........Why always the Sufferers like the Palestinians......You posted about the Boycott...Did I disagree with you....NO, I supported You......Look the Jews worldwide are on the Nose,with Anti-Semitic threats and violence on the rise.....Why....well the awful treatment of the Palestinians has not helped your cause....there has been no fairness although you will differ....But back to this Rampant Anti-Seminism world wide........Jewish friends are becoming very nervous because the type of people creating this problem are nasty hardliners.....friends in Europe and the UK feel so uncomfortable that they feel unsafe...the level of threat has become alarming to them,Australia as an Island is not a problem,the Muslims here commune well with Jews and Christians and visa-versa......We have a few ISIS wannabees but the threat is so small....all ISIS want and do is Murder anyone in their way.......but minorities and other Muslims are their main target.......this does not affect Israel,well at ISIS current evolution.

Really we can keep harping to the past....but it is todays situation that really needs our attention and motivation....other wise we just keep cat-calling each other and going round and round in ever decreasing circles......Yep I like to stir you up,but in the end it is mentally wasteful......there really are more important things to resolve......I have as you know desired a peaceful solution for the cousins,for that essensially is what they are.....for Palestine and Israel.......I understand your point of view,of course I do.....But reality is often so different.....The Palestinians are not Jews real enemy as History proves......there are darker elements afoot that harbour Real Hatred for Jews.......and these should be eliminated.and it is this danger we should really be discussing Regards.steven...ps Thanks for setting me straight about Webber....I was wrong to post that,st

The Palestinians have brought the treatment on themselves by being violent, terrorist child murderers who plant bombs in schools and youth disco's. When that was thwarted they made complaints to the UN about having their right to mass murder being taken away from them. Now they fire rockets at child facilities in Israel and have been found to hqave dug tunnels under Israel towards child facilities and packed them with high explosives. Those acts should not go unpunished and the people behind them should be arrested and charged in the ICJ. Not just the hamas leaders but the "civilians" that protect the terrorists from harm. We can start with team Palestine on this board and have them arrested and tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity because of their many posts inciting violence against the Jews

The Palestinians, Christians and Muslims, have only resisted the settlement and subsequent theft of land and their removal on the part of Europeans. They have done no less or no more than the IRA has done to establish the Republic of Ireland.

Notice Mohomod Latici always refers to "Palestinians" as Muslims and Christians. As if the Jews had nothing to do with the land, and were non existent at the time. While the truth is that the label "Palestinian" ONLY referred to Jews of the region before 1948. If you walked up to an Arab before that and called him a Palestinian he'd punch you in the face for insulting him by calling him a Jew. These propagandists are so full of it you truly don't know where to start.

 

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And here's Mark Weber's shiny resume. TALK ABOUT DEPRAVED, STEVO, YOU BEAT THE CAKE:



Southern Poverty Law Center
Mark Weber
Holocaust Denial Movement Rocked by Infighting (2009)
National Alliance Leader, William Pierce, Looks to Build Far-Right Alliances (1999)
Date of Birth:
1952
Groups:
Institute for Historical Review
Location:
Newport Beach, CA
Ideology:
Holocaust Denial
Since 1993, Mark Weber, who has probably done more than any other American to popularize denial of the World War II Holocaust of European Jews, has directed theInstitute for Historical Review (IHR), a once prominent denial group that has recently been in decline. He also served as the editor of IHR's now-defunct Journal of Historical Review from 1992 to 2000 and remains the organization's leading spokesperson, giving speeches and radio interviews to promote IHR's anti-Semitic propaganda. Weber shocked his denial colleagues in early 2009, when he published an essay suggesting that Holocaust denial had become counterproductive and that the real struggle should be directed against "Jewish-Zionist power."

In His Own Words
"Around the world awareness is growing that the ‘Holocaust' campaign is a major weapon in the Jewish-Zionist arsenal, that it is used to justify otherwise unjustifiable Israeli policies, and as a powerful tool for blackmailing enormous sums of money from Americans and Europeans."
— "An Open Letter to Fourteen Arab Intellectuals," 2001

"The most direct and obvious victims of Jewish-Zionist power are, of course, the Palestinians who live under Israel's harsh rule. But as the IHR has made clear for years, in truth we Americans are also victims — through the Jewish-Zionist grip on the media, and the organized Jewish-Zionist corruption of our political system."
— Speech at an Institute for Historical Review meeting in Arlington, Va., 2002

"[W]hat is happening is a worldwide conflict now, a global conflict that involves all of humanity. … [W]hether you are a conservative or a liberal, whether your primary loyalties are to your religion, to your ethnic group, to your country, to your heritage in whatever form, you will come up inevitably against this great Jewish Zionist power. … [W]hat we are involved in, is a global struggle … for the interests of us all and the interests of humanity."
— Speech at a Holocaust denial rally, April 24, 2004

"[D]espite a discouraging record of achievement, some revisionists insist that their work is vitally important because success in exposing the Holocaust as a hoax will deliver a shattering blow to Israel and Jewish-Zionist power. … In the real world struggle against Jewish-Zionist power, Holocaust revisionism has proved to be as much a hindrance as a help."
— "How Relevant is Holocaust Revisionism?", Jan. 7, 2009

Background
Born in Portland, Ore., and equipped with a master's degree in history from Indiana University, Mark Weber first appeared on the radical right in 1978, when he became news editor of National Vanguard, a publication of the National Alliance, which later evolved into one of the most important neo-Nazi groups in America. But while he remained connected to the Alliance for years, Weber was by 1979 already writing articles for The Spotlight, an anti-Semitic tabloid started by Willis Carto, and other Carto publications. In these articles, Weber referred to the Holocaust's Jewish "mythmakers," attacked the credibility of Anne Frank's diary, claimed the Allies used torture to extract false stories about extermination camps, and suggested that the testimony of victims of the Holocaust was unreliable at best.

"The Holocaust hoax is a religion," Weber wrote in 1989, according to the Anti-Defamation League. "[T]he rise of religions such as this generally coincides with the decline and fall of nations which tolerate them." The same year, he said he didn't believe that it was possible for black people to assimilate into American society.

In the mid-1980s, even though he was working closely with Carto, Weber remained a part of the Alliance and was listed as the treasurer of its Cosmotheist Church, which was an attempt by the basically atheistic group to win tax-exempt status. This is surprising because Carto and Alliance leader William Pierce had been bitter enemies since 1970, when they split as they worked to reconfigure the old Youth for Wallace group as the National Youth Alliance (which Pierce would officially rename the National Alliance four years later). Nevertheless, it was in this same period in the mid-1980s that Weber began taking a leading role at Carto's Institute for Historical Review (IHR). In 1984, Weber began leading the group's annual conferences. (These gatherings typically were highlighted by a "mystery guest," who in 1987 was Maj. Gen. Otto Ernst Remer, the unrepentant Nazi who helped crush a 1944 bomb plot against Hitler.) In 1985, Weber joined the IHR's editorial advisory committee and, in 1992, he took over as editor of IHR's Journal of Historical Review, work he did until 2000.

In 1993, with Weber's support, the IHR board ousted Carto as its leader, accusing him of interfering in editorial decisions. The next May, Carto and his wife tried to retake IHR by occupying its California offices, a situation that led to fistfights and, ultimately, Carto being forcibly removed from the building. At around the same time, another dispute between IHR and Carto broke out, with IHR leaders accusing Carto of diverting some $10 million that was allegedly left to IHR's parent company, the Legion for the Survival of Freedom.

During the decade of complex litigation that followed, Carto's Spotlight characterized Weber as a "rat," a "cockroach" and a "devil," but in the end Weber's side basically won. The Spotlight was shut down as a result of the litigation, although it was rapidly replaced with the look-alike American Free Press. Carto also created The Barnes Review, a Holocaust denial journal that now competes directly with IHR.

While Weber and IHR won their lawsuits, the fight with Carto proved to be a great distraction for the organization. It failed to maintain regular publication of its bimonthly Journal of Historical Review (no issues were published between April 1996 and May 1997) and it was unable to hold any conferences between 1994 and 2000. IHR did manage to put on a major conference in 2000, with David Irving, Ernst Zündel, and other notable Holocaust deniers in attendance, but a planned conference on "Revisionism and Zionism" in Beirut, Lebanon, in 2001, was cancelled after authorities banned it. The Lebanese decision followed international criticism of the planned conference.

Since then, Weber's IHR has continued to decline. By 2003, it stopped publishing the Journal of Historical Review and limited its conferences to mostly small, one-day affairs with speeches by Weber or other IHR staffers. In 2004, Weber did plan on attending a two-day Holocaust denial conference in Sacramento, Calif., but at the last minute, the venue refused to host the event, forcing Weber to join with representatives of the neo-Nazi National Alliance in a makeshift gathering at another location. In his keynote address, Weber went on an anti-Semitic rant, warning that all of humanity is involved in "a global struggle" against "Jewish-Zionist power."

More recently, Weber has sought publicity on James Edwards' extremist radio talk show, "The Political Cesspool," whose other guests have included Gordon Baum, head of the white supremacistCouncil of Conservative Citizens and former Klan leader and neo-Nazi David Duke. IHR also runs ads on the Cesspool.

In January 2009, Weber threw the world of Holocaust denial into turmoil with the publication of an essay asking "How Relevant Is Holocaust Revisionism?" Weber's conclusion, shocking to his colleagues on the radical right, was not very — that those on the radical right would do better to struggle against the real enemy, "Jewish-Zionist power," than on a historical debate about the Holocaust that they were largely losing. The essay set off acrimonious attacks on Weber by many of his former friends and colleagues, but hardly reflected a move by Weber to the political center. Within months of publishing the essay, he was recirculating ancient anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, complaining about those "who control political and cultural life, including the education system and the mass media." From the looks of his audience, Weber had replaced his old suit-and-tie denialist friends with hard-core anti-Semites, including open neo-Nazis and heavily tattooed racist skinheads. What this means for Holocaust denial remains an open question.

Mark Weber:
The Professional Denier
More than any other propagandist, Mark Weber, 45, embodies the Holocaust-denial movement. An articulate, media-savvy spokesperson with a master's degree in History from Indiana University, Weber got his start in the radical right in 1978, when he took the position of news editor for National Vanguard, a publication of the neo-Nazi National Alliance. In 1979, Weber also began to contribute regularly to The Spotlight, a weekly

Weber has warned against America's becoming "a sort of Mexicanized, Puerto Ricanized country. . . . I don't believe it's possible for Black Americans to be assimilated into white society."

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

tabloid produced by Willis Carto's Liberty Lobby organization. His involvement with the IHR also intensified steadily over the years; initially working as a contributor to the now-defunct IHR Newsletter, Weber began serving as emcee for the group's annual conventions in 1984. In 1985 he became a member of IHR's Editorial Advisory Committee and in 1992 he became editor of the Journal of Historical Review. Following IHR's break with Carto and the subsequent departure of most professional staff members in 1993, Weber became director of the organization with one professional staff person serving under him.

Weber's more openly extremist commitment to white supremacy has not abated during his pyrrhic ascendancy through the IHR ranks. Throughout the 1980s, he maintained his contact with the National Alliance, serving, according to official documents, as treasurer of that organization's "Cosmotheist Church."

Similarly, in 1987, graduating seniors at four private high schools in Atlanta received copies of a 584-page racist and anti-Semitic book, The Dispossessed Majority, with a letter signed by Weber which stated, "... You and your classmates may expect to face grave political, economic and social problems. There will be outright discrimination against you as you compete for admission to the better colleges. Less-qualified nonwhites with lower academic standing will be pushed ahead of you by means of racial quotas and four-year scholarships."

In 1989, several ROTC cadets at Auburn University received an identical mailing from Weber. In the same year, Weber was interviewed by The Sower, a student newspaper at the University of Nebraska. In the interview, Weber stated, " l'm concerned about the future of (the white) race and I'm concerned about the future of our country." He also warned against America's becoming "a sort of Mexicanized, Puerto Ricanized country.... I don't believe it's possible for Black Americans to be assimilated into white society."

Nonetheless, it is as a Holocaust-denier that Weber has found his niche on the radical right, and it is through the IHR that he has found the platform to pursue his increasingly solitary, yet persistently hateful propaganda mission.

Well I certainly are not a denier of the Holocaust Roudy.....in fact very much the reverse as is Well Noted on this Forum....but the facts remain that Jews did collaborate with the Nazis......mind you the West never really helped the Jews during the Nazi period although they knew full well what was happening.....you once said to me to "Hang my Head in Shame".....but I have nothing to hang my head for any reason because I believe in a Free Palestine and Israel....

Why don't you and your possee Ever complain about the Germans of whom at the time were complicit with the Nazis....Why don't you complain about the other Western Countries that assisted the Nazis ??????? because plenty did..........Why always the Sufferers like the Palestinians......You posted about the Boycott...Did I disagree with you....NO, I supported You......Look the Jews worldwide are on the Nose,with Anti-Semitic threats and violence on the rise.....Why....well the awful treatment of the Palestinians has not helped your cause....there has been no fairness although you will differ....But back to this Rampant Anti-Seminism world wide........Jewish friends are becoming very nervous because the type of people creating this problem are nasty hardliners.....friends in Europe and the UK feel so uncomfortable that they feel unsafe...the level of threat has become alarming to them,Australia as an Island is not a problem,the Muslims here commune well with Jews and Christians and visa-versa......We have a few ISIS wannabees but the threat is so small....all ISIS want and do is Murder anyone in their way.......but minorities and other Muslims are their main target.......this does not affect Israel,well at ISIS current evolution.

Really we can keep harping to the past....but it is todays situation that really needs our attention and motivation....other wise we just keep cat-calling each other and going round and round in ever decreasing circles......Yep I like to stir you up,but in the end it is mentally wasteful......there really are more important things to resolve......I have as you know desired a peaceful solution for the cousins,for that essensially is what they are.....for Palestine and Israel.......I understand your point of view,of course I do.....But reality is often so different.....The Palestinians are not Jews real enemy as History proves......there are darker elements afoot that harbour Real Hatred for Jews.......and these should be eliminated.and it is this danger we should really be discussing Regards.steven...ps Thanks for setting me straight about Webber....I was wrong to post that,st

The Palestinians have brought the treatment on themselves by being violent, terrorist child murderers who plant bombs in schools and youth disco's. When that was thwarted they made complaints to the UN about having their right to mass murder being taken away from them. Now they fire rockets at child facilities in Israel and have been found to hqave dug tunnels under Israel towards child facilities and packed them with high explosives. Those acts should not go unpunished and the people behind them should be arrested and charged in the ICJ. Not just the hamas leaders but the "civilians" that protect the terrorists from harm. We can start with team Palestine on this board and have them arrested and tried for war crimes and crimes against humanity because of their many posts inciting violence against the Jews

The Palestinians, Christians and Muslims, have only resisted the settlement and subsequent theft of land and their removal on the part of Europeans. They have done no less or no more than the IRA has done to establish the Republic of Ireland.

Notice Mohomod Latici always refers to "Palestinians" as Muslims and Christians. As if the Jews had nothing to do with the land, and were non existent at the time. While the truth is that the label "Palestinian" ONLY referred to Jews of the region before 1948. If you walked up to an Arab before that and called him a Palestinian he'd punch you in the face for insulting him by calling him a Jew. These propagandists are so full of it you truly don't know where to start.

You surely are the king of the propagandists: Do you really think that ridiculous assertions like "While the truth is that the label "Palestinian" ONLY referred to Jews of the region before 1948" are believed by even your Jewish brethren?

I understand that the facts can only confirm that there were hardly any Jews in Palestine before 1850 and Europeans of the Jewish faith settled in great numbers in the area and expelled the people that were living there. And, I know this fact disturbs you, but that is the fact. But, making outrageous claims doesn't change the facts available from Government Archives, which I have linked very often.

 

[Roudy]

Palestine remembered? I'll tell you what you can do with that POS site.

The only "collaboration" that occurred between Jews and the Nazis was for them to let the Jews escape with their lives by giving up their German citizenship and all their assets. Some "collaboration". You equate that with who and what the Mufti was? MORON.

Judaism is not Zionism? There's no Judaism without Zionism. Have you opened an Old Testament, you fucking idiot? The story of exodus and Moses leading the Jews into the promised land of Zion, and King David defeating the enemies of Zion is the opening chapters.

You Pali Nazi lovers are fucking delusional garbage spouters with no shame. You listen one of you assholes, you've heard them all.

The anti-Semites (playing at being just anti-Zionists) have all learned of the book The Transfer by Edwin Black, in which he explains how some equipment was going to be given to the Nazis in exchange for letting some Jews free instead of having them killed in a concentration camp. The book is a big hit on the NeoNazi/Islamofascist hate sites and the anti-Semites use this book as proof that the Jews corroborated with the Nazis all the time. Now Edwin Black wishes these anti-Semites would take notice of another one of his works.

Book Discussion Farhud Roots Arab-Nazi Alliance Video C-SPAN.org

Hoss Hi,as you know I have much respect for you,you are nothing like those two Pathetic Bastards Roudy and Condor.....but even with evident facts presented still keep up this crappy Anti-Semitic shit.......as a pragmatic man,I support the two State solution.....unlike most of the Zionist Wannabee Baboons on here,who are just virilant sic Zionists.......Not Semitic Jews but "Outsider Jews" the only Semitic people are Shepardic Jews and Palestinians....and what appeplexic virilant ANTI-SEMITES they are,..........Of course there is Judaism without Zionism......this is not what Zionist want you to believe......But Judaism has been around over 3000 years+...Zionist are a Terrorist Organization started circa 1870.....
"Jonny come lately's".......but the Mentally Depraved Roudy and Condor and their ilk want you to believe there is NO Judaism without Zionism....what absolute Shit........ask the Ultra's they hate the Zionists so do the Secular Jews in Israel and outside.As they should because their whole Mantra is a pack of lies.


As for me better an Asshole than a Zionist COMPULSIVE LAIR...........Don't get sucked in by their Shit Rhetoric Hoss...You are better,a lot better than that.steve,I will never change my opinion of you because I know you to be a thoroughly decent Guy......yep we don't always agree but we can always face each other man to man.

For you to view.. Jews who helped Hitler and the Nazis


www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html

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And here's Mark Weber's shiny resume. TALK ABOUT DEPRAVED, STEVO, YOU BEAT THE CAKE:



Southern Poverty Law Center
Mark Weber
Holocaust Denial Movement Rocked by Infighting (2009)
National Alliance Leader, William Pierce, Looks to Build Far-Right Alliances (1999)
Date of Birth:
1952
Groups:
Institute for Historical Review
Location:
Newport Beach, CA
Ideology:
Holocaust Denial
Since 1993, Mark Weber, who has probably done more than any other American to popularize denial of the World War II Holocaust of European Jews, has directed theInstitute for Historical Review (IHR), a once prominent denial group that has recently been in decline. He also served as the editor of IHR's now-defunct Journal of Historical Review from 1992 to 2000 and remains the organization's leading spokesperson, giving speeches and radio interviews to promote IHR's anti-Semitic propaganda. Weber shocked his denial colleagues in early 2009, when he published an essay suggesting that Holocaust denial had become counterproductive and that the real struggle should be directed against "Jewish-Zionist power."

In His Own Words
"Around the world awareness is growing that the ‘Holocaust' campaign is a major weapon in the Jewish-Zionist arsenal, that it is used to justify otherwise unjustifiable Israeli policies, and as a powerful tool for blackmailing enormous sums of money from Americans and Europeans."
— "An Open Letter to Fourteen Arab Intellectuals," 2001

"The most direct and obvious victims of Jewish-Zionist power are, of course, the Palestinians who live under Israel's harsh rule. But as the IHR has made clear for years, in truth we Americans are also victims — through the Jewish-Zionist grip on the media, and the organized Jewish-Zionist corruption of our political system."
— Speech at an Institute for Historical Review meeting in Arlington, Va., 2002

"[W]hat is happening is a worldwide conflict now, a global conflict that involves all of humanity. … [W]hether you are a conservative or a liberal, whether your primary loyalties are to your religion, to your ethnic group, to your country, to your heritage in whatever form, you will come up inevitably against this great Jewish Zionist power. … [W]hat we are involved in, is a global struggle … for the interests of us all and the interests of humanity."
— Speech at a Holocaust denial rally, April 24, 2004

"[D]espite a discouraging record of achievement, some revisionists insist that their work is vitally important because success in exposing the Holocaust as a hoax will deliver a shattering blow to Israel and Jewish-Zionist power. … In the real world struggle against Jewish-Zionist power, Holocaust revisionism has proved to be as much a hindrance as a help."
— "How Relevant is Holocaust Revisionism?", Jan. 7, 2009

Background
Born in Portland, Ore., and equipped with a master's degree in history from Indiana University, Mark Weber first appeared on the radical right in 1978, when he became news editor of National Vanguard, a publication of the National Alliance, which later evolved into one of the most important neo-Nazi groups in America. But while he remained connected to the Alliance for years, Weber was by 1979 already writing articles for The Spotlight, an anti-Semitic tabloid started by Willis Carto, and other Carto publications. In these articles, Weber referred to the Holocaust's Jewish "mythmakers," attacked the credibility of Anne Frank's diary, claimed the Allies used torture to extract false stories about extermination camps, and suggested that the testimony of victims of the Holocaust was unreliable at best.

"The Holocaust hoax is a religion," Weber wrote in 1989, according to the Anti-Defamation League. "[T]he rise of religions such as this generally coincides with the decline and fall of nations which tolerate them." The same year, he said he didn't believe that it was possible for black people to assimilate into American society.

In the mid-1980s, even though he was working closely with Carto, Weber remained a part of the Alliance and was listed as the treasurer of its Cosmotheist Church, which was an attempt by the basically atheistic group to win tax-exempt status. This is surprising because Carto and Alliance leader William Pierce had been bitter enemies since 1970, when they split as they worked to reconfigure the old Youth for Wallace group as the National Youth Alliance (which Pierce would officially rename the National Alliance four years later). Nevertheless, it was in this same period in the mid-1980s that Weber began taking a leading role at Carto's Institute for Historical Review (IHR). In 1984, Weber began leading the group's annual conferences. (These gatherings typically were highlighted by a "mystery guest," who in 1987 was Maj. Gen. Otto Ernst Remer, the unrepentant Nazi who helped crush a 1944 bomb plot against Hitler.) In 1985, Weber joined the IHR's editorial advisory committee and, in 1992, he took over as editor of IHR's Journal of Historical Review, work he did until 2000.

In 1993, with Weber's support, the IHR board ousted Carto as its leader, accusing him of interfering in editorial decisions. The next May, Carto and his wife tried to retake IHR by occupying its California offices, a situation that led to fistfights and, ultimately, Carto being forcibly removed from the building. At around the same time, another dispute between IHR and Carto broke out, with IHR leaders accusing Carto of diverting some $10 million that was allegedly left to IHR's parent company, the Legion for the Survival of Freedom.

During the decade of complex litigation that followed, Carto's Spotlight characterized Weber as a "rat," a "cockroach" and a "devil," but in the end Weber's side basically won. The Spotlight was shut down as a result of the litigation, although it was rapidly replaced with the look-alike American Free Press. Carto also created The Barnes Review, a Holocaust denial journal that now competes directly with IHR.

While Weber and IHR won their lawsuits, the fight with Carto proved to be a great distraction for the organization. It failed to maintain regular publication of its bimonthly Journal of Historical Review (no issues were published between April 1996 and May 1997) and it was unable to hold any conferences between 1994 and 2000. IHR did manage to put on a major conference in 2000, with David Irving, Ernst Zündel, and other notable Holocaust deniers in attendance, but a planned conference on "Revisionism and Zionism" in Beirut, Lebanon, in 2001, was cancelled after authorities banned it. The Lebanese decision followed international criticism of the planned conference.

Since then, Weber's IHR has continued to decline. By 2003, it stopped publishing the Journal of Historical Review and limited its conferences to mostly small, one-day affairs with speeches by Weber or other IHR staffers. In 2004, Weber did plan on attending a two-day Holocaust denial conference in Sacramento, Calif., but at the last minute, the venue refused to host the event, forcing Weber to join with representatives of the neo-Nazi National Alliance in a makeshift gathering at another location. In his keynote address, Weber went on an anti-Semitic rant, warning that all of humanity is involved in "a global struggle" against "Jewish-Zionist power."

More recently, Weber has sought publicity on James Edwards' extremist radio talk show, "The Political Cesspool," whose other guests have included Gordon Baum, head of the white supremacistCouncil of Conservative Citizens and former Klan leader and neo-Nazi David Duke. IHR also runs ads on the Cesspool.

In January 2009, Weber threw the world of Holocaust denial into turmoil with the publication of an essay asking "How Relevant Is Holocaust Revisionism?" Weber's conclusion, shocking to his colleagues on the radical right, was not very — that those on the radical right would do better to struggle against the real enemy, "Jewish-Zionist power," than on a historical debate about the Holocaust that they were largely losing. The essay set off acrimonious attacks on Weber by many of his former friends and colleagues, but hardly reflected a move by Weber to the political center. Within months of publishing the essay, he was recirculating ancient anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, complaining about those "who control political and cultural life, including the education system and the mass media." From the looks of his audience, Weber had replaced his old suit-and-tie denialist friends with hard-core anti-Semites, including open neo-Nazis and heavily tattooed racist skinheads. What this means for Holocaust denial remains an open question.

Mark Weber:
The Professional Denier
More than any other propagandist, Mark Weber, 45, embodies the Holocaust-denial movement. An articulate, media-savvy spokesperson with a master's degree in History from Indiana University, Weber got his start in the radical right in 1978, when he took the position of news editor for National Vanguard, a publication of the neo-Nazi National Alliance. In 1979, Weber also began to contribute regularly to The Spotlight, a weekly

Weber has warned against America's becoming "a sort of Mexicanized, Puerto Ricanized country. . . . I don't believe it's possible for Black Americans to be assimilated into white society."

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tabloid produced by Willis Carto's Liberty Lobby organization. His involvement with the IHR also intensified steadily over the years; initially working as a contributor to the now-defunct IHR Newsletter, Weber began serving as emcee for the group's annual conventions in 1984. In 1985 he became a member of IHR's Editorial Advisory Committee and in 1992 he became editor of the Journal of Historical Review. Following IHR's break with Carto and the subsequent departure of most professional staff members in 1993, Weber became director of the organization with one professional staff person serving under him.

Weber's more openly extremist commitment to white supremacy has not abated during his pyrrhic ascendancy through the IHR ranks. Throughout the 1980s, he maintained his contact with the National Alliance, serving, according to official documents, as treasurer of that organization's "Cosmotheist Church."

Similarly, in 1987, graduating seniors at four private high schools in Atlanta received copies of a 584-page racist and anti-Semitic book, The Dispossessed Majority, with a letter signed by Weber which stated, "... You and your classmates may expect to face grave political, economic and social problems. There will be outright discrimination against you as you compete for admission to the better colleges. Less-qualified nonwhites with lower academic standing will be pushed ahead of you by means of racial quotas and four-year scholarships."

In 1989, several ROTC cadets at Auburn University received an identical mailing from Weber. In the same year, Weber was interviewed by The Sower, a student newspaper at the University of Nebraska. In the interview, Weber stated, " l'm concerned about the future of (the white) race and I'm concerned about the future of our country." He also warned against America's becoming "a sort of Mexicanized, Puerto Ricanized country.... I don't believe it's possible for Black Americans to be assimilated into white society."

Nonetheless, it is as a Holocaust-denier that Weber has found his niche on the radical right, and it is through the IHR that he has found the platform to pursue his increasingly solitary, yet persistently hateful propaganda mission.

Well I certainly are not a denier of the Holocaust Roudy.....in fact very much the reverse as is Well Noted on this Forum....but the facts remain that Jews did collaborate with the Nazis......mind you the West never really helped the Jews during the Nazi period although they knew full well what was happening.....you once said to me to "Hang my Head in Shame".....but I have nothing to hang my head for any reason because I believe in a Free Palestine and Israel....

Why don't you and your possee Ever complain about the Germans of whom at the time were complicit with the Nazis....Why don't you complain about the other Western Countries that assisted the Nazis ??????? because plenty did..........Why always the Sufferers like the Palestinians......You posted about the Boycott...Did I disagree with you....NO, I supported You......Look the Jews worldwide are on the Nose,with Anti-Semitic threats and violence on the rise.....Why....well the awful treatment of the Palestinians has not helped your cause....there has been no fairness although you will differ....But back to this Rampant Anti-Seminism world wide........Jewish friends are becoming very nervous because the type of people creating this problem are nasty hardliners.....friends in Europe and the UK feel so uncomfortable that they feel unsafe...the level of threat has become alarming to them,Australia as an Island is not a problem,the Muslims here commune well with Jews and Christians and visa-versa......We have a few ISIS wannabees but the threat is so small....all ISIS want and do is Murder anyone in their way.......but minorities and other Muslims are their main target.......this does not affect Israel,well at ISIS current evolution.

Really we can keep harping to the past....but it is todays situation that really needs our attention and motivation....other wise we just keep cat-calling each other and going round and round in ever decreasing circles......Yep I like to stir you up,but in the end it is mentally wasteful......there really are more important things to resolve......I have as you know desired a peaceful solution for the cousins,for that essensially is what they are.....for Palestine and Israel.......I understand your point of view,of course I do.....But reality is often so different.....The Palestinians are not Jews real enemy as History proves......there are darker elements afoot that harbour Real Hatred for Jews.......and these should be eliminated.and it is this danger we should really be discussing Regards.steven...ps Thanks for setting me straight about Webber....I was wrong to post that,st

Oh so you finally sobered up. Ok....

What do you mean by "collaborate"? You really can't expect a sane person to accept the blood libel you promoted that "Jews wanted the Nazis to kill more Jews", now can you? If anything the Zionists would want MORE Jews, not less to populate their Holyland. The only so called "collaboration" neo Nazis keep harping about is when the Jews have up their German citizenship and all their belongings in exchange for leaving to Israel with their lives. Only a scumbag would demonize Jews for that, and call it collaborate.

Ever heard of the saying those who forget about the past are destined to repeat it. The Muslim world in today general are behaving like a mafia, bunch of hypocrites and thugs with no control. The last time we saw a supremacist movement like this it was Nazi Germany. And many like you want to keep ignoring it.

 

[montelatici]

It seems to me that you are projecting. The supremacist movement I see is the Zionist one. The Muslims are fighting mostly among themselves. The Zionists are the latter day Nazis. They are holding millions of non-Jews in virtual concentration camps killing thousands of them every year or so.

 

[Roudy]

It seems to me that you are projecting. The supremacist movement I see is the Zionist one. The Muslims are fighting mostly among themselves. The Zionists are the latter day Nazis. They are holding millions of non-Jews in virtual concentration camps killing thousands of them every year or so.

The supremacist movement is the Zionist one, that is home to 2 billion Muslim and Christian Arabs living with the same rights as the rest of the Israelis?

It's not Islamists like Hamas, ISIS, Al Queda, Islamic Jihad, Muslim Brotherhood, Hezbollah, Al Shabab, Taliban, etc. who want to establish an ISLAMIC KALIFATE under SHARIAH LAW, where non-Muslims get to either SUBMIT TO ISLAM OR DIE? And in the process committing massacres, mass bombings, killing hundreds of thousands. Yup, dem Zionist Jooos are da problem in the world today.

Gee, coulda fooled me, PROPOGANDACITI! Ha ha ha.

 

[montelatici]

It seems to me that you are projecting. The supremacist movement I see is the Zionist one. The Muslims are fighting mostly among themselves. The Zionists are the latter day Nazis. They are holding millions of non-Jews in virtual concentration camps killing thousands of them every year or so.

The supremacist movement is the Zionist one, that is home to 2 billion Muslim and Christian Arabs living with the same rights as the rest of the Israelis?

It's not Islamists like Hamas, ISIS, Al Queda, Islamic Jihad, Muslim Brotherhood, Hezbollah, Al Shabab, Taliban, etc. who want to establish an ISLAMIC KALIFATE under SHARIAH LAW, where non-Muslims get to either SUBMIT TO ISLAM OR DIE? And in the process committing massacres, mass bombings, killing hundreds of thousands. Yup, dem Zionist Jooos are da problem in the world today.

Gee, coulda fooled me, PROPOGANDACITI! Ha ha ha.

The Jews are the problem in Palestine. This forum is about Palestine and Israel.

 

[Roudy]

It seems to me that you are projecting. The supremacist movement I see is the Zionist one. The Muslims are fighting mostly among themselves. The Zionists are the latter day Nazis. They are holding millions of non-Jews in virtual concentration camps killing thousands of them every year or so.

The supremacist movement is the Zionist one, that is home to 2 billion Muslim and Christian Arabs living with the same rights as the rest of the Israelis?

It's not Islamists like Hamas, ISIS, Al Queda, Islamic Jihad, Muslim Brotherhood, Hezbollah, Al Shabab, Taliban, etc. who want to establish an ISLAMIC KALIFATE under SHARIAH LAW, where non-Muslims get to either SUBMIT TO ISLAM OR DIE? And in the process committing massacres, mass bombings, killing hundreds of thousands. Yup, dem Zionist Jooos are da problem in the world today.

Gee, coulda fooled me, PROPOGANDACITI! Ha ha ha.

The Jews are the problem in Palestine. This forum is about Palestine and Israel.

The Jews, not Arabs and Muslims are the problem. Yup. It's never the Muslims or Palestinians fault, is it?

Palestinians haven't been ruled by one Islamic Jihadi terrorist thief or another like Hamas or Arafat, since the invention of a Palestinian people.

 

[MaryL]

Palestine is a fiction, just like Israel. Muslims and jews coexisted for a millennium in this area....The British mandate of Palestine that divided Lebanon from Ottoman Syria was created in 1922, and nobody was the wiser. Really, who in the hell is going to care if Jews flee to that almost genetic homeland and WHO is going to object if they flee extermination? Americans wouldn't even let these people in, I don't blame the jews for going back to square one and creating a homeland from their past as a form of self protection....what else could they do? Palestinians? They could (hint hint) accept their brothers and live in harmony, not be hateful reactionaries. Muslims are like that. suicide bombers, crash planes into buildings. But that is a different story...is it? Muslims are always poor little victims, all the time always forever.