23%, 53% Want To Secede

[occupied]

Texas would be much better off out of the US.

A simple cost/benefit analysis says it is very unlikely.

Actually, Texas pays more to the USFG than it gets back, to the tune of over 50 billion per year. Therefore, even if Texas reproduced all the USFG programs in their infinite wisdom, the people of an independent Republic of Texas would be 50 billion dollars a year richer. That's a powerful incentive to harbor the notion of independence.

I get it, you think Texas would still be using strong American dollars rather than a new currency that would be so inflationary that you would need to carry a bag full to the store to get food if there is any to be had. Secessionist banks would no longer be in the federal reserve system and without that Texas dollars would literally be worth less than a good grade of toilet paper after the currency speculators got done with it.

What is the basis for your claim that Texas dollars would become worthless. If anything, it appears the U.S. dollar is headed for exactly such a fate.

The US dollar is still the reserve currency to the world, what the hell would Texas currency be compared to that? Texas would have no choice but to become a Cayman Islands type banking shelter just to give it's money a little bit of international clout. If the federal reserve did nothing the currency would be shaky at best, if they decided to undermine it the money would be worthless.

 

[bripat9643]

Texas would be much better off out of the US.

A simple cost/benefit analysis says it is very unlikely.

Actually, Texas pays more to the USFG than it gets back, to the tune of over 50 billion per year. Therefore, even if Texas reproduced all the USFG programs in their infinite wisdom, the people of an independent Republic of Texas would be 50 billion dollars a year richer. That's a powerful incentive to harbor the notion of independence.

I get it, you think Texas would still be using strong American dollars rather than a new currency that would be so inflationary that you would need to carry a bag full to the store to get food if there is any to be had. Secessionist banks would no longer be in the federal reserve system and without that Texas dollars would literally be worth less than a good grade of toilet paper after the currency speculators got done with it.

What is the basis for your claim that Texas dollars would become worthless. If anything, it appears the U.S. dollar is headed for exactly such a fate.

The US dollar is still the reserve currency to the world, what the hell would Texas currency be compared to that? Texas would have no choice but to become a Cayman Islands type banking shelter just to give it's money a little bit of international clout. If the federal reserve did nothing the currency would be shaky at best, if they decided to undermine it the money would be worthless.

The Federal Reserve doesn't have the ability to undermine the currency of a foreign country. It can only undermine the value of our currency by printing too much of it, which is exactly what it has been doing since Obama has been in office.

Anyone who believes the federal Reserve can debase a foreign currency is an obvious economic ignoramus who doesn't know the slightest thing about money or what gives it value.,

 

[CitizenSeven]

Texas would be much better off out of the US.

A simple cost/benefit analysis says it is very unlikely.

Actually, Texas pays more to the USFG than it gets back, to the tune of over 50 billion per year. Therefore, even if Texas reproduced all the USFG programs in their infinite wisdom, the people of an independent Republic of Texas would be 50 billion dollars a year richer. That's a powerful incentive to harbor the notion of independence.

I get it, you think Texas would still be using strong American dollars rather than a new currency that would be so inflationary that you would need to carry a bag full to the store to get food if there is any to be had. Secessionist banks would no longer be in the federal reserve system and without that Texas dollars would literally be worth less than a good grade of toilet paper after the currency speculators got done with it.

That's a silly claim. New currencies are introduced all the time without runaway inflation as long as it's done properly. An independent Texas would have a larger GDP than Switzerland, and they have one of the world's standard currencies. There's no reason Texas couldn't have one at least as good.

 

[occupied]

Texas would be much better off out of the US.

A simple cost/benefit analysis says it is very unlikely.

Actually, Texas pays more to the USFG than it gets back, to the tune of over 50 billion per year. Therefore, even if Texas reproduced all the USFG programs in their infinite wisdom, the people of an independent Republic of Texas would be 50 billion dollars a year richer. That's a powerful incentive to harbor the notion of independence.

I get it, you think Texas would still be using strong American dollars rather than a new currency that would be so inflationary that you would need to carry a bag full to the store to get food if there is any to be had. Secessionist banks would no longer be in the federal reserve system and without that Texas dollars would literally be worth less than a good grade of toilet paper after the currency speculators got done with it.

That's a silly claim. New currencies are introduced all the time without runaway inflation as long as it's done properly. An independent Texas would have a larger GDP than Switzerland, and they have one of the world's standard currencies. There's no reason Texas couldn't have one at least as good.

Ask Russia and Iran what economic sanctions do to the value of your national currency. Do you really think a state can steal that much federal property (interstate highways, military bases etc.) and not face economic retaliation? The economic civil war would begin right away so that the state in question cannot afford to make war on the United States.

 

[bripat9643]

Texas would be much better off out of the US.

A simple cost/benefit analysis says it is very unlikely.

Actually, Texas pays more to the USFG than it gets back, to the tune of over 50 billion per year. Therefore, even if Texas reproduced all the USFG programs in their infinite wisdom, the people of an independent Republic of Texas would be 50 billion dollars a year richer. That's a powerful incentive to harbor the notion of independence.

I get it, you think Texas would still be using strong American dollars rather than a new currency that would be so inflationary that you would need to carry a bag full to the store to get food if there is any to be had. Secessionist banks would no longer be in the federal reserve system and without that Texas dollars would literally be worth less than a good grade of toilet paper after the currency speculators got done with it.

That's a silly claim. New currencies are introduced all the time without runaway inflation as long as it's done properly. An independent Texas would have a larger GDP than Switzerland, and they have one of the world's standard currencies. There's no reason Texas couldn't have one at least as good.

Ask Russia and Iran what economic sanctions do to the value of your national currency. Do you really think a state can steal that much federal property (interstate highways, military bases etc.) and not face economic retaliation? The economic civil war would begin right away so that the state in question cannot afford to make war on the United States.

ROFL! That's your conception of the United States as a force for good in the world? Do you think the United States should have a policy of waging economic warfare against peaceful countries that aren't bothering anyone?

One thing is clear: you're a hateful vindictive asshole.

 

[House]

If a state or a group of states decided to secede, they would, by that act, be saying that they did not want to live under the constitution of the USA. The rules of the constitution would no longer apply to them. Would the DC government go to war with a group of states that decided to secede? Would they take them to court?

Did the original 13 colonies violate British law by declaring their independence? The idea that seceding states would be bound by the constitution is foolish and truly ignorant.

What the fuck makes you think we're living under the Constitution, now?

90% of the problem is that the Constitution is being perverted or outright ignored.

 

[Discombobulated]

A simple cost/benefit analysis says it is very unlikely.

Actually, Texas pays more to the USFG than it gets back, to the tune of over 50 billion per year. Therefore, even if Texas reproduced all the USFG programs in their infinite wisdom, the people of an independent Republic of Texas would be 50 billion dollars a year richer. That's a powerful incentive to harbor the notion of independence.

I get it, you think Texas would still be using strong American dollars rather than a new currency that would be so inflationary that you would need to carry a bag full to the store to get food if there is any to be had. Secessionist banks would no longer be in the federal reserve system and without that Texas dollars would literally be worth less than a good grade of toilet paper after the currency speculators got done with it.

That's a silly claim. New currencies are introduced all the time without runaway inflation as long as it's done properly. An independent Texas would have a larger GDP than Switzerland, and they have one of the world's standard currencies. There's no reason Texas couldn't have one at least as good.

Ask Russia and Iran what economic sanctions do to the value of your national currency. Do you really think a state can steal that much federal property (interstate highways, military bases etc.) and not face economic retaliation? The economic civil war would begin right away so that the state in question cannot afford to make war on the United States.

ROFL! That's your conception of the United States as a force for good in the world? Do you think the United States should have a policy of waging economic warfare against peaceful countries that aren't bothering anyone?

One thing is clear: you're a hateful vindictive asshole.

Nothing is clear to you because you don't know anything about anything.

 

[occupied]

A simple cost/benefit analysis says it is very unlikely.

Actually, Texas pays more to the USFG than it gets back, to the tune of over 50 billion per year. Therefore, even if Texas reproduced all the USFG programs in their infinite wisdom, the people of an independent Republic of Texas would be 50 billion dollars a year richer. That's a powerful incentive to harbor the notion of independence.

I get it, you think Texas would still be using strong American dollars rather than a new currency that would be so inflationary that you would need to carry a bag full to the store to get food if there is any to be had. Secessionist banks would no longer be in the federal reserve system and without that Texas dollars would literally be worth less than a good grade of toilet paper after the currency speculators got done with it.

That's a silly claim. New currencies are introduced all the time without runaway inflation as long as it's done properly. An independent Texas would have a larger GDP than Switzerland, and they have one of the world's standard currencies. There's no reason Texas couldn't have one at least as good.

Ask Russia and Iran what economic sanctions do to the value of your national currency. Do you really think a state can steal that much federal property (interstate highways, military bases etc.) and not face economic retaliation? The economic civil war would begin right away so that the state in question cannot afford to make war on the United States.

ROFL! That's your conception of the United States as a force for good in the world? Do you think the United States should have a policy of waging economic warfare against peaceful countries that aren't bothering anyone?

One thing is clear: you're a hateful vindictive asshole.

The thing I was trying to impress upon the wannabe confederates of the board is that the United States will generally do what it takes to protect/further it's interests and it is very interested in keeping the union together and avoiding civil strife. The last time a bunch of states broke away they made war on the United States and killed thousands of Americans, it's going to go to any length to insure it is not going to happen again. Secession is a pipe dream, get over it.

 

[CitizenSeven]

Texas would be much better off out of the US.

A simple cost/benefit analysis says it is very unlikely.

Actually, Texas pays more to the USFG than it gets back, to the tune of over 50 billion per year. Therefore, even if Texas reproduced all the USFG programs in their infinite wisdom, the people of an independent Republic of Texas would be 50 billion dollars a year richer. That's a powerful incentive to harbor the notion of independence.

I get it, you think Texas would still be using strong American dollars rather than a new currency that would be so inflationary that you would need to carry a bag full to the store to get food if there is any to be had. Secessionist banks would no longer be in the federal reserve system and without that Texas dollars would literally be worth less than a good grade of toilet paper after the currency speculators got done with it.

That's a silly claim. New currencies are introduced all the time without runaway inflation as long as it's done properly. An independent Texas would have a larger GDP than Switzerland, and they have one of the world's standard currencies. There's no reason Texas couldn't have one at least as good.

Ask Russia and Iran what economic sanctions do to the value of your national currency. Do you really think a state can steal that much federal property (interstate highways, military bases etc.) and not face economic retaliation? The economic civil war would begin right away so that the state in question cannot afford to make war on the United States.

Steal? The USFG doesn't own the interstate highways. They were built by the states, granted with some of the funding from the feds. It's rather moot, though, as in all probability the seccession would occur after successful negotiation, divying up Texas' portion of federal assets and debts. Hopefully the USFG will listen this time to the will of its people, and end the shameful subjugation in a peaceful manner.

 

[bripat9643]

Actually, Texas pays more to the USFG than it gets back, to the tune of over 50 billion per year. Therefore, even if Texas reproduced all the USFG programs in their infinite wisdom, the people of an independent Republic of Texas would be 50 billion dollars a year richer. That's a powerful incentive to harbor the notion of independence.

I get it, you think Texas would still be using strong American dollars rather than a new currency that would be so inflationary that you would need to carry a bag full to the store to get food if there is any to be had. Secessionist banks would no longer be in the federal reserve system and without that Texas dollars would literally be worth less than a good grade of toilet paper after the currency speculators got done with it.

That's a silly claim. New currencies are introduced all the time without runaway inflation as long as it's done properly. An independent Texas would have a larger GDP than Switzerland, and they have one of the world's standard currencies. There's no reason Texas couldn't have one at least as good.

Ask Russia and Iran what economic sanctions do to the value of your national currency. Do you really think a state can steal that much federal property (interstate highways, military bases etc.) and not face economic retaliation? The economic civil war would begin right away so that the state in question cannot afford to make war on the United States.

ROFL! That's your conception of the United States as a force for good in the world? Do you think the United States should have a policy of waging economic warfare against peaceful countries that aren't bothering anyone?

One thing is clear: you're a hateful vindictive asshole.

Nothing is clear to you because you don't know anything about anything.

I've already proven I know more than you about the Civil War, asshole.

 

[bripat9643]

Actually, Texas pays more to the USFG than it gets back, to the tune of over 50 billion per year. Therefore, even if Texas reproduced all the USFG programs in their infinite wisdom, the people of an independent Republic of Texas would be 50 billion dollars a year richer. That's a powerful incentive to harbor the notion of independence.

I get it, you think Texas would still be using strong American dollars rather than a new currency that would be so inflationary that you would need to carry a bag full to the store to get food if there is any to be had. Secessionist banks would no longer be in the federal reserve system and without that Texas dollars would literally be worth less than a good grade of toilet paper after the currency speculators got done with it.

That's a silly claim. New currencies are introduced all the time without runaway inflation as long as it's done properly. An independent Texas would have a larger GDP than Switzerland, and they have one of the world's standard currencies. There's no reason Texas couldn't have one at least as good.

Ask Russia and Iran what economic sanctions do to the value of your national currency. Do you really think a state can steal that much federal property (interstate highways, military bases etc.) and not face economic retaliation? The economic civil war would begin right away so that the state in question cannot afford to make war on the United States.

ROFL! That's your conception of the United States as a force for good in the world? Do you think the United States should have a policy of waging economic warfare against peaceful countries that aren't bothering anyone?

One thing is clear: you're a hateful vindictive asshole.

The thing I was trying to impress upon the wannabe confederates of the board is that the United States will generally do what it takes to protect/further it's interests and it is very interested in keeping the union together and avoiding civil strife. The last time a bunch of states broke away they made war on the United States and killed thousands of Americans, it's going to go to any length to insure it is not going to happen again. Secession is a pipe dream, get over it.

I am fully aware of the fact that this country is infested with boot licking authoritarian A-holes who believe they have a right to control other people, and they will not hesitate to engage in mass slaughter or any other means to maintain their control. Turds like you are the reason the bloodshed occurred. The question I ask is why anyone should respect the views of such despicable vermin?

The bottom line is that all Empires eventually break up, and this one shows all the signs of an impending smashup.

 

[paulitician]

Why is this a problem? Secession is the ultimate expression of Freedom & Liberty. But Scotland shouldn't have had to vote on Seceding from the UK. The UK should give Scotland back to the Scottish People. They took it by violent force. If Great Britain were an honorable Nation, it would simply return Scotland to the Scottish People.

 

[Redfish]

If a state or a group of states decided to secede, they would, by that act, be saying that they did not want to live under the constitution of the USA. The rules of the constitution would no longer apply to them. Would the DC government go to war with a group of states that decided to secede? Would they take them to court?

Did the original 13 colonies violate British law by declaring their independence? The idea that seceding states would be bound by the constitution is foolish and truly ignorant.

What the fuck makes you think we're living under the Constitution, now?

90% of the problem is that the Constitution is being perverted or outright ignored.

my point exactly, dingleberry

 

[Redfish]

Why is this a problem? Secession is the ultimate expression of Freedom & Liberty. But Scotland shouldn't have had to vote on Seceding from the UK. The UK should give Scotland back to the Scottish People. They took it by violent force. If Great Britain were an honorable Nation, it would simply return Scotland to the Scottish People.

the Scots voted to remain in the UK. Its over.

 

[House]

If a state or a group of states decided to secede, they would, by that act, be saying that they did not want to live under the constitution of the USA. The rules of the constitution would no longer apply to them. Would the DC government go to war with a group of states that decided to secede? Would they take them to court?

Did the original 13 colonies violate British law by declaring their independence? The idea that seceding states would be bound by the constitution is foolish and truly ignorant.

What the fuck makes you think we're living under the Constitution, now?

90% of the problem is that the Constitution is being perverted or outright ignored.

my point exactly, dingleberry

No is not, dipshit. I'm referring to the state of the union as it exists now, and you are prophecizing.

If we actually lived under the constitution, there wouldn't be talk of secession in the first place because there would be no corrupt government to flee.

 

[paulitician]

Why is this a problem? Secession is the ultimate expression of Freedom & Liberty. But Scotland shouldn't have had to vote on Seceding from the UK. The UK should give Scotland back to the Scottish People. They took it by violent force. If Great Britain were an honorable Nation, it would simply return Scotland to the Scottish People.

the Scots voted to remain in the UK. Its over.

Yes, sadly they did. The Brits used dirty scare-tactics to intimidate many into voting against their own best interests. But regardless, if Great Britain were an honorable Nation, it would simply return Scotland to the Scottish People. They took it by violent force. It's time to make right. Time for justice.

 

[gipper]

I wonder what the Statists will say should China crack down hard on the people of Hong Kong.
If they are consistent, they would agree with the Chinese government murdering and destroying those who desire freedom from a tyrannical state.