260,000 Veterans Have Lost Their Gun Rights Since December

[Obiwan]

i understand the sentiment, but the data that shows gun ownership correlates with a higher suicide rate doesn't support it.

gun availability makes suicide easier and more likely to succeed

Jumping off the Golden Gate bridge or a local parking garage is damn near one hundred percent effective.

yep, but either required going to the destination, not getting caught and stopped, and then jumping.

getting drunk by yourself and pulling the trigger can be done in quiet isolation in your own home.

but again, this isn't my argument, it's a fact. gun availability means a higher rate of suicide.

So why did you leave the garage method out of your post?

because it's irrelevant and doesn't change the statistics. people with guns available to them commit suicide at a higher rate than the rest of the population. you can imagine any scenario you want, doesn't change that fact.

also you can change your mind once you've started the process with the car in the garage. not so much with a gunshot.

Real EXPLAIN Japan then?

I agree...

Firearms-Control Legislation and Policy: Japan | Law Library of Congress

World suicide rates by country

Even though Japan has some of the world's strictest gun control laws, their suicide rate is almost double the rate in the US....

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Jumping off the Golden Gate bridge or a local parking garage is damn near one hundred percent effective.

yep, but either required going to the destination, not getting caught and stopped, and then jumping.

getting drunk by yourself and pulling the trigger can be done in quiet isolation in your own home.

but again, this isn't my argument, it's a fact. gun availability means a higher rate of suicide.

So why did you leave the garage method out of your post?

because it's irrelevant and doesn't change the statistics. people with guns available to them commit suicide at a higher rate than the rest of the population. you can imagine any scenario you want, doesn't change that fact.

also you can change your mind once you've started the process with the car in the garage. not so much with a gunshot.

Not if you're passed out.

again, fucking super. so you time your passing out to right after when you start the vehicle and then hope that nobody comes and finds you before it kills you.

i'm happy that you think you've found a way to commit suicide that's as effective as using a gun, but the fact remains

PEOPLE WITH ACCESS TO GUNS KILL THEMSELVES MORE OFTEN THAN PEOPLE WITHOUT

Nah..they just happen to use whats convenient,if it wasnt a gun they'd take another route.

 

[ogibillm]

yep, but either required going to the destination, not getting caught and stopped, and then jumping.

getting drunk by yourself and pulling the trigger can be done in quiet isolation in your own home.

but again, this isn't my argument, it's a fact. gun availability means a higher rate of suicide.

So why did you leave the garage method out of your post?

because it's irrelevant and doesn't change the statistics. people with guns available to them commit suicide at a higher rate than the rest of the population. you can imagine any scenario you want, doesn't change that fact.

also you can change your mind once you've started the process with the car in the garage. not so much with a gunshot.

Not if you're passed out.

again, fucking super. so you time your passing out to right after when you start the vehicle and then hope that nobody comes and finds you before it kills you.

i'm happy that you think you've found a way to commit suicide that's as effective as using a gun, but the fact remains

PEOPLE WITH ACCESS TO GUNS KILL THEMSELVES MORE OFTEN THAN PEOPLE WITHOUT

Nah..they just happen to use whats convenient,if it wasnt a gun they'd take another route.

so why the correlation to gun availability?

see, your argument would make sense if we were just talking about the method people choose to kill themselves, but that's not what we're discussing.

we're talking about the difference in the suicide rates between people with access to guns and those without.

people with access kill themselves at a greater rate. why is that? the data shows they don't take another route, at least not successfully.

 

[Obiwan]

So why did you leave the garage method out of your post?

because it's irrelevant and doesn't change the statistics. people with guns available to them commit suicide at a higher rate than the rest of the population. you can imagine any scenario you want, doesn't change that fact.

also you can change your mind once you've started the process with the car in the garage. not so much with a gunshot.

Not if you're passed out.

again, fucking super. so you time your passing out to right after when you start the vehicle and then hope that nobody comes and finds you before it kills you.

i'm happy that you think you've found a way to commit suicide that's as effective as using a gun, but the fact remains

PEOPLE WITH ACCESS TO GUNS KILL THEMSELVES MORE OFTEN THAN PEOPLE WITHOUT

Nah..they just happen to use whats convenient,if it wasnt a gun they'd take another route.

so why the correlation to gun availability?

see, your argument would make sense if we were just talking about the method people choose to kill themselves, but that's not what we're discussing.

we're talking about the difference in the suicide rates between people with access to guns and those without.

people with access kill themselves at a greater rate. why is that? the data shows they don't take another route, at least not successfully.

Then explain JAPAN....

 

[whitehall]

Why would a Veteran elect to forego his/her rights to control his own legal and financial matters? It sounds to me that there is a mental problem. Is it part of a disability settlement? We need a lot more information before we go half cocked about allegations of abuses of the 2nd Amendment. While I respect the sacrifice of fellow Veterans I don't want them buying guns if they have mental issues.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

So why did you leave the garage method out of your post?

because it's irrelevant and doesn't change the statistics. people with guns available to them commit suicide at a higher rate than the rest of the population. you can imagine any scenario you want, doesn't change that fact.

also you can change your mind once you've started the process with the car in the garage. not so much with a gunshot.

Not if you're passed out.

again, fucking super. so you time your passing out to right after when you start the vehicle and then hope that nobody comes and finds you before it kills you.

i'm happy that you think you've found a way to commit suicide that's as effective as using a gun, but the fact remains

PEOPLE WITH ACCESS TO GUNS KILL THEMSELVES MORE OFTEN THAN PEOPLE WITHOUT

Nah..they just happen to use whats convenient,if it wasnt a gun they'd take another route.

so why the correlation to gun availability?

see, your argument would make sense if we were just talking about the method people choose to kill themselves, but that's not what we're discussing.

we're talking about the difference in the suicide rates between people with access to guns and those without.

people with access kill themselves at a greater rate. why is that?

If someone wants to off themselves they will find a way gun owner or not.

 

[frigidweirdo]

So now we have another scandal where the VA is screwing over the veterans they are supposed to be representing.

260,000 Veterans Have Lost Their Gun Rights Since December

The Second Amendment has been under attack for some time now in the united States, and there has been a relentless assault by the Obama administration at attacking the rights of the people to keep and bear arms. At the forefront of that attack has been America’s veterans, andaccording to a report, at least 260,000 veteranshad their gun rights revoked by the Department of Veteran’s Affairs since December 2015.

Guns in the News reports:

Last December the VA started reporting thousands of veterans to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check system, which is responsible for determining whether or not a potential gun buyer is legally allowed to own a firearm.

Specifically, they’ve been reporting veterans who have a fiduciary trustee to act on their behalf for legal or financial matters. All veterans with this arrangement are beingautomatically declared “mentally defective” according to Guns.com, and are having their second amendmentrights revoked. Over the past 4 months alone the VA has reported over 260,000 veterans to the NICS, which now accounts for 99% of all “mentally defective” claims to the database.

Of course, not all veterans with a fiduciary trustee are a danger to themselves or others, and unfortunately the VA hasn’t bothered to investigate any of these individuals to see if they should be reported. Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa has been questioning the VA on this matter, and hopes to put a stop to it. “The very agency created to serve them (veterans) is jeopardizing their Second Amendment rights through an erroneous reading of gun regulations. The VA’s careless approach to our veterans’ constitutional rights is disgraceful.”

This is not new and doesn’t seem to be going away. In February, the National RifleAssociation was attempting to discover which veterans this was happening to across the country.

Once again, Guns in the News reported:

As we have reported several times in the past (including here and here), the Veterans Administration (VA) has been reporting to the National InstantCriminal Background Check System (NICS) the identities of its beneficiaries who have been assigned a “fiduciary” to manage their benefits. The VA claims that such determinations constitute an “adjudication of mental defectiveness” under federal law, thereby prohibiting the beneficiary (presumptively for life) from acquiring or possessingfirearms.

Funny how the right are so willing to take things away from Muslims.

"Of course, not all veterans with a fiduciary trustee are a danger to themselves or others, "

Of course, not all Muslims (in fact most Muslims) are not a danger to themselves or others......

You see how contradictory this is?

 

[ogibillm]

because it's irrelevant and doesn't change the statistics. people with guns available to them commit suicide at a higher rate than the rest of the population. you can imagine any scenario you want, doesn't change that fact.

also you can change your mind once you've started the process with the car in the garage. not so much with a gunshot.

Not if you're passed out.

again, fucking super. so you time your passing out to right after when you start the vehicle and then hope that nobody comes and finds you before it kills you.

i'm happy that you think you've found a way to commit suicide that's as effective as using a gun, but the fact remains

PEOPLE WITH ACCESS TO GUNS KILL THEMSELVES MORE OFTEN THAN PEOPLE WITHOUT

Nah..they just happen to use whats convenient,if it wasnt a gun they'd take another route.

so why the correlation to gun availability?

see, your argument would make sense if we were just talking about the method people choose to kill themselves, but that's not what we're discussing.

we're talking about the difference in the suicide rates between people with access to guns and those without.

people with access kill themselves at a greater rate. why is that? the data shows they don't take another route, at least not successfully.

Then explain JAPAN....

japan isn't the united states. japan has a different culture, different beliefs. suicide is more acceptable.

explain why in the united states those with guns kill themselves more often than those without.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Why would a Veteran elect to forego his/her rights to control his own legal and financial matters? It sounds to me that there is a mental problem. Is it part of a disability settlement? We need a lot more information before we go half cocked about allegations of abuses of the 2nd Amendment. While I respect the sacrifice of fellow Veterans I don't want them buying guns if they have mental issues.

I see your point but you can still say the same about ghetto dwellers who have spent their entire lives under stress and go undiagnosed.
So what do you think about dragging every ghetto dweller in for a physc evaluation?

 

[ogibillm]

because it's irrelevant and doesn't change the statistics. people with guns available to them commit suicide at a higher rate than the rest of the population. you can imagine any scenario you want, doesn't change that fact.

also you can change your mind once you've started the process with the car in the garage. not so much with a gunshot.

Not if you're passed out.

again, fucking super. so you time your passing out to right after when you start the vehicle and then hope that nobody comes and finds you before it kills you.

i'm happy that you think you've found a way to commit suicide that's as effective as using a gun, but the fact remains

PEOPLE WITH ACCESS TO GUNS KILL THEMSELVES MORE OFTEN THAN PEOPLE WITHOUT

Nah..they just happen to use whats convenient,if it wasnt a gun they'd take another route.

so why the correlation to gun availability?

see, your argument would make sense if we were just talking about the method people choose to kill themselves, but that's not what we're discussing.

we're talking about the difference in the suicide rates between people with access to guns and those without.

people with access kill themselves at a greater rate. why is that?

If someone wants to off themselves they will find a way gun owner or not.

if they want to badly enough, sure.

but people that can put their hands on guns are more likely to kill themselves. that's a fact.

meaning they get the job done, no second chance, no chickening out. they get a little too sad, maybe a little too drunk, and one quick decision means it's over.

again, this is just a fact. those with access to guns kill themselves at greater rates, and none of you arguing have offered any data to suggest otherwise.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Not if you're passed out.

again, fucking super. so you time your passing out to right after when you start the vehicle and then hope that nobody comes and finds you before it kills you.

i'm happy that you think you've found a way to commit suicide that's as effective as using a gun, but the fact remains

PEOPLE WITH ACCESS TO GUNS KILL THEMSELVES MORE OFTEN THAN PEOPLE WITHOUT[/QUOTE]

Nah..they just happen to use whats convenient,if it wasnt a gun they'd take another route.[/QUOTE]

Not if you're passed out.

again, fucking super. so you time your passing out to right after when you start the vehicle and then hope that nobody comes and finds you before it kills you.

i'm happy that you think you've found a way to commit suicide that's as effective as using a gun, but the fact remains

PEOPLE WITH ACCESS TO GUNS KILL THEMSELVES MORE OFTEN THAN PEOPLE WITHOUT

Nah..they just happen to use whats convenient,if it wasnt a gun they'd take another route.

so why the correlation to gun availability?

see, your argument would make sense if we were just talking about the method people choose to kill themselves, but that's not what we're discussing.

we're talking about the difference in the suicide rates between people with access to guns and those without.

people with access kill themselves at a greater rate. why is that? the data shows they don't take another route, at least not successfully.

Then explain JAPAN....

japan isn't the united states. japan has a different culture, different beliefs. suicide is more acceptable.

explain why in the united states those with guns kill themselves more often than those without.[/QUOTE]

Thats a bullshit stat.
Take away guns and those same people would off themselves without a gun.

 

[ogibillm]

Why would a Veteran elect to forego his/her rights to control his own legal and financial matters? It sounds to me that there is a mental problem. Is it part of a disability settlement? We need a lot more information before we go half cocked about allegations of abuses of the 2nd Amendment. While I respect the sacrifice of fellow Veterans I don't want them buying guns if they have mental issues.

I see your point but you can still say the same about ghetto dwellers who have spent their entire lives under stress and go undiagnosed.
So what do you think about dragging every ghetto dweller in for a physc evaluation?

hell, why not everyone that wants to buy a gun?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Why would a Veteran elect to forego his/her rights to control his own legal and financial matters? It sounds to me that there is a mental problem. Is it part of a disability settlement? We need a lot more information before we go half cocked about allegations of abuses of the 2nd Amendment. While I respect the sacrifice of fellow Veterans I don't want them buying guns if they have mental issues.

I see your point but you can still say the same about ghetto dwellers who have spent their entire lives under stress and go undiagnosed.
So what do you think about dragging every ghetto dweller in for a physc evaluation?

hell, why not everyone that wants to buy a gun?

Sounds unConstitutional...

 

[ogibillm]

Thats a bullshit stat.
Take away guns and those same people would off themselves without a gun.

if what you're saying is true the suicide rate for those with guns would be the same as those without.

that is not the case.

PEOPLE WITH ACCESS TO GUNS KILL THEMSELVES AT A GREATER RATE THAN THOSE WITHOUT

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

So now we have another scandal where the VA is screwing over the veterans they are supposed to be representing.

260,000 Veterans Have Lost Their Gun Rights Since December

The Second Amendment has been under attack for some time now in the united States, and there has been a relentless assault by the Obama administration at attacking the rights of the people to keep and bear arms. At the forefront of that attack has been America’s veterans, andaccording to a report, at least 260,000 veteranshad their gun rights revoked by the Department of Veteran’s Affairs since December 2015.

Guns in the News reports:

Last December the VA started reporting thousands of veterans to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check system, which is responsible for determining whether or not a potential gun buyer is legally allowed to own a firearm.

Specifically, they’ve been reporting veterans who have a fiduciary trustee to act on their behalf for legal or financial matters. All veterans with this arrangement are beingautomatically declared “mentally defective” according to Guns.com, and are having their second amendmentrights revoked. Over the past 4 months alone the VA has reported over 260,000 veterans to the NICS, which now accounts for 99% of all “mentally defective” claims to the database.

Of course, not all veterans with a fiduciary trustee are a danger to themselves or others, and unfortunately the VA hasn’t bothered to investigate any of these individuals to see if they should be reported. Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa has been questioning the VA on this matter, and hopes to put a stop to it. “The very agency created to serve them (veterans) is jeopardizing their Second Amendment rights through an erroneous reading of gun regulations. The VA’s careless approach to our veterans’ constitutional rights is disgraceful.”

This is not new and doesn’t seem to be going away. In February, the National RifleAssociation was attempting to discover which veterans this was happening to across the country.

Once again, Guns in the News reported:

As we have reported several times in the past (including here and here), the Veterans Administration (VA) has been reporting to the National InstantCriminal Background Check System (NICS) the identities of its beneficiaries who have been assigned a “fiduciary” to manage their benefits. The VA claims that such determinations constitute an “adjudication of mental defectiveness” under federal law, thereby prohibiting the beneficiary (presumptively for life) from acquiring or possessingfirearms.

So much for being "innocent until proven guilty"

At least most on the right are consistent at being ignorant and wrong.

This is civil law, not criminal – having nothing to do with ‘innocence’ or ‘guilt.’

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Thats a bullshit stat.
Take away guns and those same people would off themselves without a gun.

if what you're saying is true the suicide rate for those with guns would be the same as those without.

that is not the case.

PEOPLE WITH ACCESS TO GUNS KILL THEMSELVES AT A GREATER RATE THAN THOSE WITHOUT

Again,it's a bullshit stat.
If someone decides to off themselves they go buy a gun because it's the easiest way to accomplish what they want to do.
If that option wasnt available they'd just use a different method.

 

[whitehall]

So now we have another scandal where the VA is screwing over the veterans they are supposed to be representing.

260,000 Veterans Have Lost Their Gun Rights Since December

The Second Amendment has been under attack for some time now in the united States, and there has been a relentless assault by the Obama administration at attacking the rights of the people to keep and bear arms. At the forefront of that attack has been America’s veterans, andaccording to a report, at least 260,000 veteranshad their gun rights revoked by the Department of Veteran’s Affairs since December 2015.

Guns in the News reports:

Last December the VA started reporting thousands of veterans to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check system, which is responsible for determining whether or not a potential gun buyer is legally allowed to own a firearm.

Specifically, they’ve been reporting veterans who have a fiduciary trustee to act on their behalf for legal or financial matters. All veterans with this arrangement are beingautomatically declared “mentally defective” according to Guns.com, and are having their second amendmentrights revoked. Over the past 4 months alone the VA has reported over 260,000 veterans to the NICS, which now accounts for 99% of all “mentally defective” claims to the database.

Of course, not all veterans with a fiduciary trustee are a danger to themselves or others, and unfortunately the VA hasn’t bothered to investigate any of these individuals to see if they should be reported. Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa has been questioning the VA on this matter, and hopes to put a stop to it. “The very agency created to serve them (veterans) is jeopardizing their Second Amendment rights through an erroneous reading of gun regulations. The VA’s careless approach to our veterans’ constitutional rights is disgraceful.”

This is not new and doesn’t seem to be going away. In February, the National RifleAssociation was attempting to discover which veterans this was happening to across the country.

Once again, Guns in the News reported:

As we have reported several times in the past (including here and here), the Veterans Administration (VA) has been reporting to the National InstantCriminal Background Check System (NICS) the identities of its beneficiaries who have been assigned a “fiduciary” to manage their benefits. The VA claims that such determinations constitute an “adjudication of mental defectiveness” under federal law, thereby prohibiting the beneficiary (presumptively for life) from acquiring or possessingfirearms.

Funny how the right are so willing to take things away from Muslims.

"Of course, not all veterans with a fiduciary trustee are a danger to themselves or others, "

Of course, not all Muslims (in fact most Muslims) are not a danger to themselves or others......

You see how contradictory this is?

Why would a Veteran elect to forego his/her rights to control his own legal and financial matters? It sounds to me that there is a mental problem. Is it part of a disability settlement? We need a lot more information before we go half cocked about allegations of abuses of the 2nd Amendment. While I respect the sacrifice of fellow Veterans I don't want them buying guns if they have mental issues.

I see your point but you can still say the same about ghetto dwellers who have spent their entire lives under stress and go undiagnosed.
So what do you think about dragging every ghetto dweller in for a physc evaluation?

The "ghetto dwellers" in question most likely are illegally possessing weapons anyway and probably 99% could not pass a background check. The point is that we can't let crazy people purchase weapons regardless of their previous service. If a person admits in an official document that they are so mentally impaired because of their service that they should be awarded a pension and that they are unable to function in society to the point where they can't manage their finances then we would be crazy if we allowed them to purchase firearms.

 

[Chuz Life]

So now we have another scandal where the VA is screwing over the veterans they are supposed to be representing.

260,000 Veterans Have Lost Their Gun Rights Since December

The Second Amendment has been under attack for some time now in the united States, and there has been a relentless assault by the Obama administration at attacking the rights of the people to keep and bear arms. At the forefront of that attack has been America’s veterans, andaccording to a report, at least 260,000 veteranshad their gun rights revoked by the Department of Veteran’s Affairs since December 2015.

Guns in the News reports:

Last December the VA started reporting thousands of veterans to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check system, which is responsible for determining whether or not a potential gun buyer is legally allowed to own a firearm.

Specifically, they’ve been reporting veterans who have a fiduciary trustee to act on their behalf for legal or financial matters. All veterans with this arrangement are beingautomatically declared “mentally defective” according to Guns.com, and are having their second amendmentrights revoked. Over the past 4 months alone the VA has reported over 260,000 veterans to the NICS, which now accounts for 99% of all “mentally defective” claims to the database.

Of course, not all veterans with a fiduciary trustee are a danger to themselves or others, and unfortunately the VA hasn’t bothered to investigate any of these individuals to see if they should be reported. Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa has been questioning the VA on this matter, and hopes to put a stop to it. “The very agency created to serve them (veterans) is jeopardizing their Second Amendment rights through an erroneous reading of gun regulations. The VA’s careless approach to our veterans’ constitutional rights is disgraceful.”

This is not new and doesn’t seem to be going away. In February, the National RifleAssociation was attempting to discover which veterans this was happening to across the country.

Once again, Guns in the News reported:

As we have reported several times in the past (including here and here), the Veterans Administration (VA) has been reporting to the National InstantCriminal Background Check System (NICS) the identities of its beneficiaries who have been assigned a “fiduciary” to manage their benefits. The VA claims that such determinations constitute an “adjudication of mental defectiveness” under federal law, thereby prohibiting the beneficiary (presumptively for life) from acquiring or possessingfirearms.

So much for being "innocent until proven guilty"

At least most on the right are consistent at being ignorant and wrong.

This is civil law, not criminal – having nothing to do with ‘innocence’ or ‘guilt.’

I see , so it's just your garden variety basic preemptive prejudice and discrimination then.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

So now we have another scandal where the VA is screwing over the veterans they are supposed to be representing.

260,000 Veterans Have Lost Their Gun Rights Since December

The Second Amendment has been under attack for some time now in the united States, and there has been a relentless assault by the Obama administration at attacking the rights of the people to keep and bear arms. At the forefront of that attack has been America’s veterans, andaccording to a report, at least 260,000 veteranshad their gun rights revoked by the Department of Veteran’s Affairs since December 2015.

Guns in the News reports:

Last December the VA started reporting thousands of veterans to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background Check system, which is responsible for determining whether or not a potential gun buyer is legally allowed to own a firearm.

Specifically, they’ve been reporting veterans who have a fiduciary trustee to act on their behalf for legal or financial matters. All veterans with this arrangement are beingautomatically declared “mentally defective” according to Guns.com, and are having their second amendmentrights revoked. Over the past 4 months alone the VA has reported over 260,000 veterans to the NICS, which now accounts for 99% of all “mentally defective” claims to the database.

Of course, not all veterans with a fiduciary trustee are a danger to themselves or others, and unfortunately the VA hasn’t bothered to investigate any of these individuals to see if they should be reported. Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa has been questioning the VA on this matter, and hopes to put a stop to it. “The very agency created to serve them (veterans) is jeopardizing their Second Amendment rights through an erroneous reading of gun regulations. The VA’s careless approach to our veterans’ constitutional rights is disgraceful.”

This is not new and doesn’t seem to be going away. In February, the National RifleAssociation was attempting to discover which veterans this was happening to across the country.

Once again, Guns in the News reported:

As we have reported several times in the past (including here and here), the Veterans Administration (VA) has been reporting to the National InstantCriminal Background Check System (NICS) the identities of its beneficiaries who have been assigned a “fiduciary” to manage their benefits. The VA claims that such determinations constitute an “adjudication of mental defectiveness” under federal law, thereby prohibiting the beneficiary (presumptively for life) from acquiring or possessingfirearms.

Funny how the right are so willing to take things away from Muslims.

"Of course, not all veterans with a fiduciary trustee are a danger to themselves or others, "

Of course, not all Muslims (in fact most Muslims) are not a danger to themselves or others......

You see how contradictory this is?

Why would a Veteran elect to forego his/her rights to control his own legal and financial matters? It sounds to me that there is a mental problem. Is it part of a disability settlement? We need a lot more information before we go half cocked about allegations of abuses of the 2nd Amendment. While I respect the sacrifice of fellow Veterans I don't want them buying guns if they have mental issues.

I see your point but you can still say the same about ghetto dwellers who have spent their entire lives under stress and go undiagnosed.
So what do you think about dragging every ghetto dweller in for a physc evaluation?

The "ghetto dwellers" in question most likely are illegally possessing weapons anyway and probably 99% could not pass a background check. The point is that we can't let crazy people purchase weapons regardless of their previous service. If a person admits in an official document that they are so mentally impaired because of their service that they should be awarded a pension and that they are unable to function in society to the point where they can't manage their finances then we would be crazy if we allowed them to purchase firearms.

The only problem with your theory is a lot of vets feel strongly about their second amendment rights and would avoid getting help for fear of losing those rights.
I know if I was crazy I wouldnt seek help for that very reason.

 

[ogibillm]

Thats a bullshit stat.
Take away guns and those same people would off themselves without a gun.

if what you're saying is true the suicide rate for those with guns would be the same as those without.

that is not the case.

PEOPLE WITH ACCESS TO GUNS KILL THEMSELVES AT A GREATER RATE THAN THOSE WITHOUT

Again,it's a bullshit stat.
If someone decides to off themselves they go buy a gun because it's the easiest way to accomplish what they want to do.
If that option wasnt available they'd just use a different method.

now at least you're raising an interesting argument.

but suicide has been shown to be an impulsive decision. going out to buy a gun isn't impulsive. also, since those people would already be included in the areas where guns are easily accessed they would not skew the results.