3 mass shooting, three semi automtic rifles

[Daryl Hunt]

Once again, we get to revisit VT at your request. This was before Schools were being prepared for this type of thing. There was NO security, locked doors, nothing. The shooter moved from building to building killing at will and no alarms were set off until very late in his little adventure. This was the first. Hell, if he had been a decent shooter and had an AR with 6 30 shot mags, the death toll could have been 10 times the number. By the mass shooters that came later, he was an ill equipped piker. Try that today. You might get one or two before they bring you down. Mass Shooters have to be much better prepared and armed these days. Nevada Shooter was the best prepared and armed of them all and holds the highest body count. Nevada was a Red State at the time, it turned purple in 2018 and will probably turn blue in 2020. Guess what happens then? All the tools the NV shooter used gets either banned or severely regulated in Nevada. Your VT shooter was a piker.

Moron.......anyone in a gun free zone would get the same count if they were organized and picked the right target.....

And had the right tools. He would have 90 seconds. Not a second more. Handguns won't cut it anymore. You need high capacity, quick change mags with a gun that has a low jam rate. One that is designed for that type of shooting. To be specific, you need an AR with a whole bunch of 30 round mags. Anything less and you would be drummed right out of the Best Dressed Mass Shooters Union.

You are too stupid for words. Virginia Tech happened in 2007......and any number of places are easy pickings for a shooter because they are gun free zones, where people are unarmed in the face of an attacker....

The AR-15 is a lousy weapon.....it isn't even a full size battle rifle, you mope.

So, the solution is to pass guns out at the door. Or put all children everywhere at risk because you can't live without tever guin ever made.[/QU

And had the right tools. He would have 90 seconds. Not a second more. Handguns won't cut it anymore. You need high capacity, quick change mags with a gun that has a low jam rate. One that is designed for that type of shooting. To be specific, you need an AR with a whole bunch of 30 round mags. Anything less and you would be drummed right out of the Best Dressed Mass Shooters Union.

Tell us dumb ass what about the mini 14 the ak 47 the styer aug the Tavor the m1 carbine the galia the ak 74 the fal and so many more

That's been covered, cupcake. The features of the AR (all types including the M-16 and M-4) puts it head and shoulders above all the ones you so foolishly listed. If you don't know what those features are, you have never been in a combat situation where your life depended on them. I just love Rexall Rangers.

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First dumb ass m4 and m16 are full auto

The ak74 is a good gun the Tavor is one excelent rifle high end and the styer aug is a very high end gun with feature that most ar owner would love its our favorite gun . quick change barrels in various length bull pup design for a very short overall length ambi ejection its high end and high dollar .
The ar 15 was a bi product of Eugene stoners gun designed in the late 60 if i recall

The fal while heavy is a full sized battle rifle in 7.62 x 54 a hard hitting round the ar is mostly cuambered in 5.56 x 45 not near as powerfull its a amped up 22 more or less

You knoldge of guns is clearly from the movies or something anyone who knows about guns will tell you the tavor and aud are top notch guns big dollar

Cupcake, the M-16 and the M-4 haven't been full auto in about 20 years. The closest they have is the 3 shot burst selector and that is about as worthless as tits on a boarhog or you trying to read a book. The common use in combat using a M-16 and a M-4 is the single shot setting. You watch way too many movies.

As for is the M-16 (or the AR) horse enough, it does the job in combat and has for the last almost 50 years. The only change that might happen will be the upgrading to the 6.8spc Cartridge in the same gun. Since all your knowledge comes out of reading what others present (including from fruitcakes) tell me what the change would accomplish?

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Odd the m4 has a 3 shot burt whoch qualified as full auto and the m16are full auto as some m4 guns areperhaps you need to pull your head out of your ass for awhile and get some fresh air.

The A1 and the A2 were full auto. The A3 and A4 had that function changed. You are just making shit up as you go. Here's a picture made just for you.

 

[Aponi]

Moron, the Vegas shooter was firing into an unknowing, tightly packed crowd of 22,000 people from a concealed and fortified position...he didn't need 30 round magazines to do what he did....

The Virginia tech shooter, who killed 32 people with 2 pistols did so without 30 round magazines.....

The Mosque shooter used 10 round magazines.....you moron.....

Once again, we get to revisit VT at your request. This was before Schools were being prepared for this type of thing. There was NO security, locked doors, nothing. The shooter moved from building to building killing at will and no alarms were set off until very late in his little adventure. This was the first. Hell, if he had been a decent shooter and had an AR with 6 30 shot mags, the death toll could have been 10 times the number. By the mass shooters that came later, he was an ill equipped piker. Try that today. You might get one or two before they bring you down. Mass Shooters have to be much better prepared and armed these days. Nevada Shooter was the best prepared and armed of them all and holds the highest body count. Nevada was a Red State at the time, it turned purple in 2018 and will probably turn blue in 2020. Guess what happens then? All the tools the NV shooter used gets either banned or severely regulated in Nevada. Your VT shooter was a piker.

Moron.......anyone in a gun free zone would get the same count if they were organized and picked the right target.....

And had the right tools. He would have 90 seconds. Not a second more. Handguns won't cut it anymore. You need high capacity, quick change mags with a gun that has a low jam rate. One that is designed for that type of shooting. To be specific, you need an AR with a whole bunch of 30 round mags. Anything less and you would be drummed right out of the Best Dressed Mass Shooters Union.

Tell us dumb ass what about the mini 14 the ak 47 the styer aug the Tavor the m1 carbine the galia the ak 74 the fal and so many more

That's been covered, cupcake. The features of the AR (all types including the M-16 and M-4) puts it head and shoulders above all the ones you so foolishly listed. If you don't know what those features are, you have never been in a combat situation where your life depended on them. I just love Rexall Rangers.

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No i have never been in a fire fifht dumb ass i have shout clost to 150000 to 2000 rounds from ar15s and a older m16 a thompson and m1 carbine both full auto a powder spring mac ar 15s a keltec carnine a uzi full auto several glocks and other pistols and with supressors pump rifles bolt and lever rifles .Cup cake

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Once again, we get to revisit VT at your request. This was before Schools were being prepared for this type of thing. There was NO security, locked doors, nothing. The shooter moved from building to building killing at will and no alarms were set off until very late in his little adventure. This was the first. Hell, if he had been a decent shooter and had an AR with 6 30 shot mags, the death toll could have been 10 times the number. By the mass shooters that came later, he was an ill equipped piker. Try that today. You might get one or two before they bring you down. Mass Shooters have to be much better prepared and armed these days. Nevada Shooter was the best prepared and armed of them all and holds the highest body count. Nevada was a Red State at the time, it turned purple in 2018 and will probably turn blue in 2020. Guess what happens then? All the tools the NV shooter used gets either banned or severely regulated in Nevada. Your VT shooter was a piker.

Moron.......anyone in a gun free zone would get the same count if they were organized and picked the right target.....

And had the right tools. He would have 90 seconds. Not a second more. Handguns won't cut it anymore. You need high capacity, quick change mags with a gun that has a low jam rate. One that is designed for that type of shooting. To be specific, you need an AR with a whole bunch of 30 round mags. Anything less and you would be drummed right out of the Best Dressed Mass Shooters Union.

Tell us dumb ass what about the mini 14 the ak 47 the styer aug the Tavor the m1 carbine the galia the ak 74 the fal and so many more

That's been covered, cupcake. The features of the AR (all types including the M-16 and M-4) puts it head and shoulders above all the ones you so foolishly listed. If you don't know what those features are, you have never been in a combat situation where your life depended on them. I just love Rexall Rangers.

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No i have never been in a fire fifht dumb ass i have shout clost to 150000 to 2000 rounds from ar15s and a older m16 a thompson and m1 carbine both full auto a powder spring mac ar 15s a keltec carnine a uzi full auto several glocks and other pistols and with supressors pump rifles bolt and lever rifles .Cup cake

Then you get a special award just for you, cupcake.

 

[Aponi]

Moron.......anyone in a gun free zone would get the same count if they were organized and picked the right target.....

And had the right tools. He would have 90 seconds. Not a second more. Handguns won't cut it anymore. You need high capacity, quick change mags with a gun that has a low jam rate. One that is designed for that type of shooting. To be specific, you need an AR with a whole bunch of 30 round mags. Anything less and you would be drummed right out of the Best Dressed Mass Shooters Union.

You are too stupid for words. Virginia Tech happened in 2007......and any number of places are easy pickings for a shooter because they are gun free zones, where people are unarmed in the face of an attacker....

The AR-15 is a lousy weapon.....it isn't even a full size battle rifle, you mope.

So, the solution is to pass guns out at the door. Or put all children everywhere at risk because you can't live without tever guin ever made.[/QU

Tell us dumb ass what about the mini 14 the ak 47 the styer aug the Tavor the m1 carbine the galia the ak 74 the fal and so many more

That's been covered, cupcake. The features of the AR (all types including the M-16 and M-4) puts it head and shoulders above all the ones you so foolishly listed. If you don't know what those features are, you have never been in a combat situation where your life depended on them. I just love Rexall Rangers.

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First dumb ass m4 and m16 are full auto

The ak74 is a good gun the Tavor is one excelent rifle high end and the styer aug is a very high end gun with feature that most ar owner would love its our favorite gun . quick change barrels in various length bull pup design for a very short overall length ambi ejection its high end and high dollar .
The ar 15 was a bi product of Eugene stoners gun designed in the late 60 if i recall

The fal while heavy is a full sized battle rifle in 7.62 x 54 a hard hitting round the ar is mostly cuambered in 5.56 x 45 not near as powerfull its a amped up 22 more or less

You knoldge of guns is clearly from the movies or something anyone who knows about guns will tell you the tavor and aud are top notch guns big dollar

Cupcake, the M-16 and the M-4 haven't been full auto in about 20 years. The closest they have is the 3 shot burst selector and that is about as worthless as tits on a boarhog or you trying to read a book. The common use in combat using a M-16 and a M-4 is the single shot setting. You watch way too many movies.

As for is the M-16 (or the AR) horse enough, it does the job in combat and has for the last almost 50 years. The only change that might happen will be the upgrading to the 6.8spc Cartridge in the same gun. Since all your knowledge comes out of reading what others present (including from fruitcakes) tell me what the change would accomplish?

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Odd the m4 has a 3 shot burt whoch qualified as full auto and the m16are full auto as some m4 guns areperhaps you need to pull your head out of your ass for awhile and get some fresh air.

The A1 and the A2 were full auto. The A3 and A4 had that function changed. You are just making shit up as you go. Here's a picture made just for you.
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Yes 3 round burst and some also had full auto meat head while the saw was indeed set up cover fire there still were full auto m16s and m4s out there

 

[Aponi]

And had the right tools. He would have 90 seconds. Not a second more. Handguns won't cut it anymore. You need high capacity, quick change mags with a gun that has a low jam rate. One that is designed for that type of shooting. To be specific, you need an AR with a whole bunch of 30 round mags. Anything less and you would be drummed right out of the Best Dressed Mass Shooters Union.

You are too stupid for words. Virginia Tech happened in 2007......and any number of places are easy pickings for a shooter because they are gun free zones, where people are unarmed in the face of an attacker....

The AR-15 is a lousy weapon.....it isn't even a full size battle rifle, you mope.

So, the solution is to pass guns out at the door. Or put all children everywhere at risk because you can't live without tever guin ever made.[/QU

That's been covered, cupcake. The features of the AR (all types including the M-16 and M-4) puts it head and shoulders above all the ones you so foolishly listed. If you don't know what those features are, you have never been in a combat situation where your life depended on them. I just love Rexall Rangers.

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First dumb ass m4 and m16 are full auto

The ak74 is a good gun the Tavor is one excelent rifle high end and the styer aug is a very high end gun with feature that most ar owner would love its our favorite gun . quick change barrels in various length bull pup design for a very short overall length ambi ejection its high end and high dollar .
The ar 15 was a bi product of Eugene stoners gun designed in the late 60 if i recall

The fal while heavy is a full sized battle rifle in 7.62 x 54 a hard hitting round the ar is mostly cuambered in 5.56 x 45 not near as powerfull its a amped up 22 more or less

You knoldge of guns is clearly from the movies or something anyone who knows about guns will tell you the tavor and aud are top notch guns big dollar

Cupcake, the M-16 and the M-4 haven't been full auto in about 20 years. The closest they have is the 3 shot burst selector and that is about as worthless as tits on a boarhog or you trying to read a book. The common use in combat using a M-16 and a M-4 is the single shot setting. You watch way too many movies.

As for is the M-16 (or the AR) horse enough, it does the job in combat and has for the last almost 50 years. The only change that might happen will be the upgrading to the 6.8spc Cartridge in the same gun. Since all your knowledge comes out of reading what others present (including from fruitcakes) tell me what the change would accomplish?

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Odd the m4 has a 3 shot burt whoch qualified as full auto and the m16are full auto as some m4 guns areperhaps you need to pull your head out of your ass for awhile and get some fresh air.

The A1 and the A2 were full auto. The A3 and A4 had that function changed. You are just making shit up as you go. Here's a picture made just for you.
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Yes 3 round burst and some also had full auto meat head while the saw was indeed set up cover fire there still were full auto m16s and m4s out there

Ok moron i hate to do this to you fag bait but look Wikipedia m4 it tells you the cycle rate shit hear 650 to 950 rounds per mim.
Now pull your head out of your ass and tell us about all the fire fights you were in did you ever shoot one of them

 

[Uncensored2008]

The functions make the features and that makes the appearance. The AR was made for one thing and one thing only. And it was, and still is, the best at it. It was made for a firefight to kill or wound as many combatants as possible in the shortest amount of time under the highest degree of pressure on the shooter. It's perfect in it's design, performance and function. Change any of those 3 and you lessen it's capability. You keep saying that people are saying"Black Gun Bad" but in reality, it's it's use and capability that people really fear. To get those capabilities, it MUST look the way it does.

What a fucking retard.

No moron, the M-4 was made for fire fights, it has select fire making it a military weapon. The AR-15 is no different than any other civilian semi-auto. 1 shot per trigger pull. An M1 Garrand is far more deadly, yet you Bolsheviks target the little .22(3)

They are targeting the AR-15 because they think they can get it banned.......and then, once they get the AR-15 banned, through local or state courts, and then use the Supreme Court to make those laws Constitutional....they will come back and state....the AR-15 is no different from any other semi-automatic rifle, you banned the AR-15, there fore you now need to ban all other semi-automatic weapons...

That is what they are trying to do....

When you say they, who are They. Do you mean ME? Speak right out and specify to whom you are referring to. I got the Black Chopper all gassed up and just got the 6 black government surplus armored vehicles from the shop ready to go. And I hired 6 Aliens to man them. Not illegal Aliens but real Aliens. They came to us from far far away land somewhere out in the Ganamede Quantrant wanting Political Asylum and man are those Aliens ugly. So be afraid, be very afraid. Cue the Music.

He means you scumbag democrats.

How many anti-liberty bills have you goons floated so far this year? A dozen? More?

Do you mean EVERY Democrat? How about Independents? How about Moderate Republicans? And the last time I checked it just hasn't been the liberal Democrats all by themselves. Lately, the Moderates and Republicans are joining in as well. Could you be the only one that is right while everyone else is wrong?

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I mean the party, Comrade.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

And had the right tools. He would have 90 seconds. Not a second more. Handguns won't cut it anymore. You need high capacity, quick change mags with a gun that has a low jam rate. One that is designed for that type of shooting. To be specific, you need an AR with a whole bunch of 30 round mags. Anything less and you would be drummed right out of the Best Dressed Mass Shooters Union.

You are too stupid for words. Virginia Tech happened in 2007......and any number of places are easy pickings for a shooter because they are gun free zones, where people are unarmed in the face of an attacker....

The AR-15 is a lousy weapon.....it isn't even a full size battle rifle, you mope.

So, the solution is to pass guns out at the door. Or put all children everywhere at risk because you can't live without tever guin ever made.[/QU

That's been covered, cupcake. The features of the AR (all types including the M-16 and M-4) puts it head and shoulders above all the ones you so foolishly listed. If you don't know what those features are, you have never been in a combat situation where your life depended on them. I just love Rexall Rangers.

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First dumb ass m4 and m16 are full auto

The ak74 is a good gun the Tavor is one excelent rifle high end and the styer aug is a very high end gun with feature that most ar owner would love its our favorite gun . quick change barrels in various length bull pup design for a very short overall length ambi ejection its high end and high dollar .
The ar 15 was a bi product of Eugene stoners gun designed in the late 60 if i recall

The fal while heavy is a full sized battle rifle in 7.62 x 54 a hard hitting round the ar is mostly cuambered in 5.56 x 45 not near as powerfull its a amped up 22 more or less

You knoldge of guns is clearly from the movies or something anyone who knows about guns will tell you the tavor and aud are top notch guns big dollar

Cupcake, the M-16 and the M-4 haven't been full auto in about 20 years. The closest they have is the 3 shot burst selector and that is about as worthless as tits on a boarhog or you trying to read a book. The common use in combat using a M-16 and a M-4 is the single shot setting. You watch way too many movies.

As for is the M-16 (or the AR) horse enough, it does the job in combat and has for the last almost 50 years. The only change that might happen will be the upgrading to the 6.8spc Cartridge in the same gun. Since all your knowledge comes out of reading what others present (including from fruitcakes) tell me what the change would accomplish?

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Odd the m4 has a 3 shot burt whoch qualified as full auto and the m16are full auto as some m4 guns areperhaps you need to pull your head out of your ass for awhile and get some fresh air.

The A1 and the A2 were full auto. The A3 and A4 had that function changed. You are just making shit up as you go. Here's a picture made just for you.
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Yes 3 round burst and some also had full auto meat head while the saw was indeed set up cover fire there still were full auto m16s and m4s out there

 

[Daryl Hunt]

You are too stupid for words. Virginia Tech happened in 2007......and any number of places are easy pickings for a shooter because they are gun free zones, where people are unarmed in the face of an attacker....

The AR-15 is a lousy weapon.....it isn't even a full size battle rifle, you mope.

So, the solution is to pass guns out at the door. Or put all children everywhere at risk because you can't live without tever guin ever made.[/QU

First dumb ass m4 and m16 are full auto

The ak74 is a good gun the Tavor is one excelent rifle high end and the styer aug is a very high end gun with feature that most ar owner would love its our favorite gun . quick change barrels in various length bull pup design for a very short overall length ambi ejection its high end and high dollar .
The ar 15 was a bi product of Eugene stoners gun designed in the late 60 if i recall

The fal while heavy is a full sized battle rifle in 7.62 x 54 a hard hitting round the ar is mostly cuambered in 5.56 x 45 not near as powerfull its a amped up 22 more or less

You knoldge of guns is clearly from the movies or something anyone who knows about guns will tell you the tavor and aud are top notch guns big dollar

Cupcake, the M-16 and the M-4 haven't been full auto in about 20 years. The closest they have is the 3 shot burst selector and that is about as worthless as tits on a boarhog or you trying to read a book. The common use in combat using a M-16 and a M-4 is the single shot setting. You watch way too many movies.

As for is the M-16 (or the AR) horse enough, it does the job in combat and has for the last almost 50 years. The only change that might happen will be the upgrading to the 6.8spc Cartridge in the same gun. Since all your knowledge comes out of reading what others present (including from fruitcakes) tell me what the change would accomplish?

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Odd the m4 has a 3 shot burt whoch qualified as full auto and the m16are full auto as some m4 guns areperhaps you need to pull your head out of your ass for awhile and get some fresh air.

The A1 and the A2 were full auto. The A3 and A4 had that function changed. You are just making shit up as you go. Here's a picture made just for you.
View attachment 250793

Yes 3 round burst and some also had full auto meat head while the saw was indeed set up cover fire there still were full auto m16s and m4s out there

Ok moron i hate to do this to you fag bait but look Wikipedia m4 it tells you the cycle rate shit hear 650 to 950 rounds per mim.
Now pull your head out of your ass and tell us about all the fire fights you were in did you ever shoot one of them

 

[Daryl Hunt]

What a fucking retard.

No moron, the M-4 was made for fire fights, it has select fire making it a military weapon. The AR-15 is no different than any other civilian semi-auto. 1 shot per trigger pull. An M1 Garrand is far more deadly, yet you Bolsheviks target the little .22(3)

They are targeting the AR-15 because they think they can get it banned.......and then, once they get the AR-15 banned, through local or state courts, and then use the Supreme Court to make those laws Constitutional....they will come back and state....the AR-15 is no different from any other semi-automatic rifle, you banned the AR-15, there fore you now need to ban all other semi-automatic weapons...

That is what they are trying to do....

When you say they, who are They. Do you mean ME? Speak right out and specify to whom you are referring to. I got the Black Chopper all gassed up and just got the 6 black government surplus armored vehicles from the shop ready to go. And I hired 6 Aliens to man them. Not illegal Aliens but real Aliens. They came to us from far far away land somewhere out in the Ganamede Quantrant wanting Political Asylum and man are those Aliens ugly. So be afraid, be very afraid. Cue the Music.

He means you scumbag democrats.

How many anti-liberty bills have you goons floated so far this year? A dozen? More?

Do you mean EVERY Democrat? How about Independents? How about Moderate Republicans? And the last time I checked it just hasn't been the liberal Democrats all by themselves. Lately, the Moderates and Republicans are joining in as well. Could you be the only one that is right while everyone else is wrong?

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I mean the party, Comrade.

 

[Blues Man]

Really? Look at a Ruger Mini14 and at an AR. The AR gives people nightmares. The Ruger is just an old style, wood stocked rifle.

But other than the modular build of the AR, there is not much difference as far as features and use. The intent has nothing to do with the rifle. The intent is with the shooter.

But the rifle makes certain intents more deadly.

Your statement was "If you change the looks you also change the features and the use and the intent. Simple as that.". That is simply wrong. The functions are not what people freak out about. It is the appearance.

The functions make the features and that makes the appearance. The AR was made for one thing and one thing only. And it was, and still is, the best at it. It was made for a firefight to kill or wound as many combatants as possible in the shortest amount of time under the highest degree of pressure on the shooter. It's perfect in it's design, performance and function. Change any of those 3 and you lessen it's capability. You keep saying that people are saying"Black Gun Bad" but in reality, it's it's use and capability that people really fear. To get those capabilities, it MUST look the way it does.

Pure nonsense. What makes the AR good at what it does is mostly internal components. The plastic stocks, carry handle, and weirdly tall front sight do little to make them accurate and rapid shooters. Earlier I mentioned owning a Mini-14. It was not accurate at much distance. But for the purposes of this discussion, it was capable of doing what these mass shooters do with the AR. I have read, and been told, the new Rugers are far more accurate.

Then you haven't handled both in a combat situation. Handling a M-14 versus a M-16 and you will see the difference in a matter of about an hour of carrying the M-14 around and having to change out the mags to reload. I don't expect you Rexall Rangers to understand because you are fruitcakes on a mission. And I don't expect the youngsters that have never lugged, much less fired a M-14 around for any length of time to understand either.

You have read, you have been told. That's the extent of your experience. I've been told the world is flat and ended last Thursday, should I believe that as well?

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No one here is going to be in combat Moron

 

[Blues Man]

If you deciding rather or not a gun should be banned or declared an assault weapon based on it's apperance then you are the one being ignorant and showing a total lack of knowledege and common sense.

Not the "appearance" bullshit.

But lets talk appearance. So, you are having a fucking fit because you might not be able to own a gun that just looks mean? Really

What does it matter what a rifle looks like if it performs the same as other rifles of the same caliber?

If you are saying that it performs the same when you pull the trigger once or even twice or even three times, you are correct. In fact, the AR is substandard to the Savage Axis II as a Varmint Rifle when you are using a single trigger pull using the same ammo. In fact, the Savage Axis II is 150 bucks cheaper and has ALL the features you need to varmint hunt at almost any range.

But if you are talking about burning through 120 rounds of ammo in a matter of a few seconds then the AR is king of the hill. If you are talking about something that is designed specifically for a firefight in battle, the AR is king of the hill. Spooner got that right from day one. There is a reason why the design has not changed in over 60 years. It was made for war the right way the first time. It was perfect using the technology that has been available for the last 50 years. Today, they are talking about keeping the same AR (Yes, Dorathy, the M-16 and M-4 are also ARs) and just increasing the caliber from 556 to 6.8spc. They aren't changing a thing except the barrel inside diameter, the combustion chamber and the mag to accept the fatter cartridge. The fatter cartridge is the same weight as the 556 that uses brass. The new Cartridge uses a composite to stay the same weight. In the end, they can easily and cheaply convert the M-16s and M-4s (and by definition the AR-15s) from 556 to 6.8spc in the field. In fact, almost any shooter that can field strip and clean an AR can do the upgrade as well. That way, it's even better suited for WAR.

It's not to you nor me to determine whether an AR is allowed or not. It's up to the community, itself. I don't stand on a soap box and scream one way or another like you and other do. In my area, the AR has fallen out of it's cult status and it's jamming up the shelves unsold in gun shops these days. Those that were wanted have already been sold. Even used ones aren't moving in the Pawn Shops these days. You seem to want to make us all believe that the Cult isn't a cult at all. EVERYONE must have an AR. It's a life and death situation. Well, cupcake, it's not.

Do I need a weapon of war versus a really decent sporting rifle? No. What can the AR do that a good Savage 223 Axis II can't do? But I can think of a few things that the Axis II can do much better than the AR for a lot less money. If you are talking about a Ranged Weapon for the Range, the AR is a piece of junk. There are so many others that blow it away that it's not even worth mentioning. The only thing that the AR can do better than the others is burn through 120 or more rounds faster than any other gun and hit almost nothing down range in the process. But if I needed a gun to mow down turkeys in cages as quickly as possible then the AR would be the weapon of choice. Or an auditorium of people, same difference.

For those communities that don't want the mowing down in the auditoriums, they will probably ban the AR and it's various clones. Or at least ban the larger capacity mags. At the same time, they will change their way of operating so that the shooter will have a harder time to get in place to start his carnage. My opinion and your opinion really doesn't have anything to do with anything. It's the Community's opinion that counts. You want to be a real hero, work with the Community to have sane gun regs instead of bans. Spread the Love, not the Hate.

What can the AR do that a good Savage 223 Axis II can't do? Allow the hunter to take two coyotes or two feral hogs at one spot.

If you are trying to take two coyotes or feral hogs at the same time, you are a friggin idiot and will probably miss or just wound both. And a wounded Feral Hog isn't something I want to see running around.

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Learn how to read he said on the same spot not with one shot

 

[Daryl Hunt]

But the rifle makes certain intents more deadly.

Your statement was "If you change the looks you also change the features and the use and the intent. Simple as that.". That is simply wrong. The functions are not what people freak out about. It is the appearance.

The functions make the features and that makes the appearance. The AR was made for one thing and one thing only. And it was, and still is, the best at it. It was made for a firefight to kill or wound as many combatants as possible in the shortest amount of time under the highest degree of pressure on the shooter. It's perfect in it's design, performance and function. Change any of those 3 and you lessen it's capability. You keep saying that people are saying"Black Gun Bad" but in reality, it's it's use and capability that people really fear. To get those capabilities, it MUST look the way it does.

Pure nonsense. What makes the AR good at what it does is mostly internal components. The plastic stocks, carry handle, and weirdly tall front sight do little to make them accurate and rapid shooters. Earlier I mentioned owning a Mini-14. It was not accurate at much distance. But for the purposes of this discussion, it was capable of doing what these mass shooters do with the AR. I have read, and been told, the new Rugers are far more accurate.

Then you haven't handled both in a combat situation. Handling a M-14 versus a M-16 and you will see the difference in a matter of about an hour of carrying the M-14 around and having to change out the mags to reload. I don't expect you Rexall Rangers to understand because you are fruitcakes on a mission. And I don't expect the youngsters that have never lugged, much less fired a M-14 around for any length of time to understand either.

You have read, you have been told. That's the extent of your experience. I've been told the world is flat and ended last Thursday, should I believe that as well?

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[Daryl Hunt]

Not the "appearance" bullshit.

But lets talk appearance. So, you are having a fucking fit because you might not be able to own a gun that just looks mean? Really

What does it matter what a rifle looks like if it performs the same as other rifles of the same caliber?

If you are saying that it performs the same when you pull the trigger once or even twice or even three times, you are correct. In fact, the AR is substandard to the Savage Axis II as a Varmint Rifle when you are using a single trigger pull using the same ammo. In fact, the Savage Axis II is 150 bucks cheaper and has ALL the features you need to varmint hunt at almost any range.

But if you are talking about burning through 120 rounds of ammo in a matter of a few seconds then the AR is king of the hill. If you are talking about something that is designed specifically for a firefight in battle, the AR is king of the hill. Spooner got that right from day one. There is a reason why the design has not changed in over 60 years. It was made for war the right way the first time. It was perfect using the technology that has been available for the last 50 years. Today, they are talking about keeping the same AR (Yes, Dorathy, the M-16 and M-4 are also ARs) and just increasing the caliber from 556 to 6.8spc. They aren't changing a thing except the barrel inside diameter, the combustion chamber and the mag to accept the fatter cartridge. The fatter cartridge is the same weight as the 556 that uses brass. The new Cartridge uses a composite to stay the same weight. In the end, they can easily and cheaply convert the M-16s and M-4s (and by definition the AR-15s) from 556 to 6.8spc in the field. In fact, almost any shooter that can field strip and clean an AR can do the upgrade as well. That way, it's even better suited for WAR.

It's not to you nor me to determine whether an AR is allowed or not. It's up to the community, itself. I don't stand on a soap box and scream one way or another like you and other do. In my area, the AR has fallen out of it's cult status and it's jamming up the shelves unsold in gun shops these days. Those that were wanted have already been sold. Even used ones aren't moving in the Pawn Shops these days. You seem to want to make us all believe that the Cult isn't a cult at all. EVERYONE must have an AR. It's a life and death situation. Well, cupcake, it's not.

Do I need a weapon of war versus a really decent sporting rifle? No. What can the AR do that a good Savage 223 Axis II can't do? But I can think of a few things that the Axis II can do much better than the AR for a lot less money. If you are talking about a Ranged Weapon for the Range, the AR is a piece of junk. There are so many others that blow it away that it's not even worth mentioning. The only thing that the AR can do better than the others is burn through 120 or more rounds faster than any other gun and hit almost nothing down range in the process. But if I needed a gun to mow down turkeys in cages as quickly as possible then the AR would be the weapon of choice. Or an auditorium of people, same difference.

For those communities that don't want the mowing down in the auditoriums, they will probably ban the AR and it's various clones. Or at least ban the larger capacity mags. At the same time, they will change their way of operating so that the shooter will have a harder time to get in place to start his carnage. My opinion and your opinion really doesn't have anything to do with anything. It's the Community's opinion that counts. You want to be a real hero, work with the Community to have sane gun regs instead of bans. Spread the Love, not the Hate.

What can the AR do that a good Savage 223 Axis II can't do? Allow the hunter to take two coyotes or two feral hogs at one spot.

If you are trying to take two coyotes or feral hogs at the same time, you are a friggin idiot and will probably miss or just wound both. And a wounded Feral Hog isn't something I want to see running around.

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[Blues Man]

Your statement was "If you change the looks you also change the features and the use and the intent. Simple as that.". That is simply wrong. The functions are not what people freak out about. It is the appearance.

The functions make the features and that makes the appearance. The AR was made for one thing and one thing only. And it was, and still is, the best at it. It was made for a firefight to kill or wound as many combatants as possible in the shortest amount of time under the highest degree of pressure on the shooter. It's perfect in it's design, performance and function. Change any of those 3 and you lessen it's capability. You keep saying that people are saying"Black Gun Bad" but in reality, it's it's use and capability that people really fear. To get those capabilities, it MUST look the way it does.

Pure nonsense. What makes the AR good at what it does is mostly internal components. The plastic stocks, carry handle, and weirdly tall front sight do little to make them accurate and rapid shooters. Earlier I mentioned owning a Mini-14. It was not accurate at much distance. But for the purposes of this discussion, it was capable of doing what these mass shooters do with the AR. I have read, and been told, the new Rugers are far more accurate.

Then you haven't handled both in a combat situation. Handling a M-14 versus a M-16 and you will see the difference in a matter of about an hour of carrying the M-14 around and having to change out the mags to reload. I don't expect you Rexall Rangers to understand because you are fruitcakes on a mission. And I don't expect the youngsters that have never lugged, much less fired a M-14 around for any length of time to understand either.

You have read, you have been told. That's the extent of your experience. I've been told the world is flat and ended last Thursday, should I believe that as well?

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No one here is going to be in combat Moron

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[Daryl Hunt]

The functions make the features and that makes the appearance. The AR was made for one thing and one thing only. And it was, and still is, the best at it. It was made for a firefight to kill or wound as many combatants as possible in the shortest amount of time under the highest degree of pressure on the shooter. It's perfect in it's design, performance and function. Change any of those 3 and you lessen it's capability. You keep saying that people are saying"Black Gun Bad" but in reality, it's it's use and capability that people really fear. To get those capabilities, it MUST look the way it does.

Pure nonsense. What makes the AR good at what it does is mostly internal components. The plastic stocks, carry handle, and weirdly tall front sight do little to make them accurate and rapid shooters. Earlier I mentioned owning a Mini-14. It was not accurate at much distance. But for the purposes of this discussion, it was capable of doing what these mass shooters do with the AR. I have read, and been told, the new Rugers are far more accurate.

Then you haven't handled both in a combat situation. Handling a M-14 versus a M-16 and you will see the difference in a matter of about an hour of carrying the M-14 around and having to change out the mags to reload. I don't expect you Rexall Rangers to understand because you are fruitcakes on a mission. And I don't expect the youngsters that have never lugged, much less fired a M-14 around for any length of time to understand either.

You have read, you have been told. That's the extent of your experience. I've been told the world is flat and ended last Thursday, should I believe that as well?

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No one here is going to be in combat Moron

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[Blues Man]

Pure nonsense. What makes the AR good at what it does is mostly internal components. The plastic stocks, carry handle, and weirdly tall front sight do little to make them accurate and rapid shooters. Earlier I mentioned owning a Mini-14. It was not accurate at much distance. But for the purposes of this discussion, it was capable of doing what these mass shooters do with the AR. I have read, and been told, the new Rugers are far more accurate.

Then you haven't handled both in a combat situation. Handling a M-14 versus a M-16 and you will see the difference in a matter of about an hour of carrying the M-14 around and having to change out the mags to reload. I don't expect you Rexall Rangers to understand because you are fruitcakes on a mission. And I don't expect the youngsters that have never lugged, much less fired a M-14 around for any length of time to understand either.

You have read, you have been told. That's the extent of your experience. I've been told the world is flat and ended last Thursday, should I believe that as well?

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[Aponi]

Seem the christ church gun shop sold 4 guns to the newzeland shooter none were military style. Semi automatics .of course were these the guns he used dont know

 

[Aponi]

You are too stupid for words. Virginia Tech happened in 2007......and any number of places are easy pickings for a shooter because they are gun free zones, where people are unarmed in the face of an attacker....

The AR-15 is a lousy weapon.....it isn't even a full size battle rifle, you mope.

So, the solution is to pass guns out at the door. Or put all children everywhere at risk because you can't live without tever guin ever made.[/QU

First dumb ass m4 and m16 are full auto

The ak74 is a good gun the Tavor is one excelent rifle high end and the styer aug is a very high end gun with feature that most ar owner would love its our favorite gun . quick change barrels in various length bull pup design for a very short overall length ambi ejection its high end and high dollar .
The ar 15 was a bi product of Eugene stoners gun designed in the late 60 if i recall

The fal while heavy is a full sized battle rifle in 7.62 x 54 a hard hitting round the ar is mostly cuambered in 5.56 x 45 not near as powerfull its a amped up 22 more or less

You knoldge of guns is clearly from the movies or something anyone who knows about guns will tell you the tavor and aud are top notch guns big dollar

Cupcake, the M-16 and the M-4 haven't been full auto in about 20 years. The closest they have is the 3 shot burst selector and that is about as worthless as tits on a boarhog or you trying to read a book. The common use in combat using a M-16 and a M-4 is the single shot setting. You watch way too many movies.

As for is the M-16 (or the AR) horse enough, it does the job in combat and has for the last almost 50 years. The only change that might happen will be the upgrading to the 6.8spc Cartridge in the same gun. Since all your knowledge comes out of reading what others present (including from fruitcakes) tell me what the change would accomplish?

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Odd the m4 has a 3 shot burt whoch qualified as full auto and the m16are full auto as some m4 guns areperhaps you need to pull your head out of your ass for awhile and get some fresh air.

The A1 and the A2 were full auto. The A3 and A4 had that function changed. You are just making shit up as you go. Here's a picture made just for you.
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Yes 3 round burst and some also had full auto meat head while the saw was indeed set up cover fire there still were full auto m16s and m4s out there

Ok moron i hate to do this to you fag bait but look Wikipedia m4 it tells you the cycle rate shit hear 650 to 950 rounds per mim.
Now pull your head out of your ass and tell us about all the fire fights you were in did you ever shoot one of them

Seems hunts to busy to respond to his own bullshit

 

[WinterBorn]

Really? Look at a Ruger Mini14 and at an AR. The AR gives people nightmares. The Ruger is just an old style, wood stocked rifle.

But other than the modular build of the AR, there is not much difference as far as features and use. The intent has nothing to do with the rifle. The intent is with the shooter.

But the rifle makes certain intents more deadly.

Your statement was "If you change the looks you also change the features and the use and the intent. Simple as that.". That is simply wrong. The functions are not what people freak out about. It is the appearance.

The functions make the features and that makes the appearance. The AR was made for one thing and one thing only. And it was, and still is, the best at it. It was made for a firefight to kill or wound as many combatants as possible in the shortest amount of time under the highest degree of pressure on the shooter. It's perfect in it's design, performance and function. Change any of those 3 and you lessen it's capability. You keep saying that people are saying"Black Gun Bad" but in reality, it's it's use and capability that people really fear. To get those capabilities, it MUST look the way it does.

Pure nonsense. What makes the AR good at what it does is mostly internal components. The plastic stocks, carry handle, and weirdly tall front sight do little to make them accurate and rapid shooters. Earlier I mentioned owning a Mini-14. It was not accurate at much distance. But for the purposes of this discussion, it was capable of doing what these mass shooters do with the AR. I have read, and been told, the new Rugers are far more accurate.

Then you haven't handled both in a combat situation. Handling a M-14 versus a M-16 and you will see the difference in a matter of about an hour of carrying the M-14 around and having to change out the mags to reload. I don't expect you Rexall Rangers to understand because you are fruitcakes on a mission. And I don't expect the youngsters that have never lugged, much less fired a M-14 around for any length of time to understand either.

You have read, you have been told. That's the extent of your experience. I've been told the world is flat and ended last Thursday, should I believe that as well?

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I have handled an M14. I own an M1A (the civilian version). But that has little to do with what I said.

A Mini-14 is not an M14. Nor is an M14 the only other semi-auto out there. It is one of the heaviest, most unwieldy rifles ever issued.

But that does not change what I said. The Mini-14 is neither as heavy or as long. The AK-47 is not as heavy, and is less likely to jam. The shorter versions of the FN-FAL are not as unwieldy or as heavy.

The main point is, the appearance is not what makes a rifle what it is.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

So, the solution is to pass guns out at the door. Or put all children everywhere at risk because you can't live without tever guin ever made.[/QU

Cupcake, the M-16 and the M-4 haven't been full auto in about 20 years. The closest they have is the 3 shot burst selector and that is about as worthless as tits on a boarhog or you trying to read a book. The common use in combat using a M-16 and a M-4 is the single shot setting. You watch way too many movies.

As for is the M-16 (or the AR) horse enough, it does the job in combat and has for the last almost 50 years. The only change that might happen will be the upgrading to the 6.8spc Cartridge in the same gun. Since all your knowledge comes out of reading what others present (including from fruitcakes) tell me what the change would accomplish?

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Odd the m4 has a 3 shot burt whoch qualified as full auto and the m16are full auto as some m4 guns areperhaps you need to pull your head out of your ass for awhile and get some fresh air.

The A1 and the A2 were full auto. The A3 and A4 had that function changed. You are just making shit up as you go. Here's a picture made just for you.
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Yes 3 round burst and some also had full auto meat head while the saw was indeed set up cover fire there still were full auto m16s and m4s out there

Ok moron i hate to do this to you fag bait but look Wikipedia m4 it tells you the cycle rate shit hear 650 to 950 rounds per mim.
Now pull your head out of your ass and tell us about all the fire fights you were in did you ever shoot one of them

Seems hunts to busy to respond to his own bullshit