3 men charged with federal hate crimes in killing of Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia

[Lysistrata]

They did call 911 shit for brains. and.................what the hell do you think is wrong with recording a criminal suspect on your cell phone video? Or anyone for that matter....it is something extremely common.....do you live in a cave?

Yes they were parked in the middle of the road I suppose they could get a parking ticket for dat NigNog bwaaaaaaaaaaaaa

what a fukin joke dis kid here is.

Newsflash there was a cop killed yesterday by a unarmed Negro....duh

Also under Georgia law they were perfectly within the law to be armed.

Next....hopefully someone not so friggin ass stoooopid. hehheh

Your use of racial epithets shows was a low-quality person you are. Civilized people do not speak this way.

Now, shit for brains: I was referring to 911 calls that these guys made BEFORE Arbery was killed, wherein they reported that there was a suspicious person in their neighborhood.

Was Arbery being recorded BEFORE he stopped at the construction site? If so, why? Did the guy doing the recording call the police? What was this guy's connection to the McMichaels?

Explain what the unfortunate killing of a cop has to do with this case.

We know that Georgia has ridiculous gun laws.

You do realize that you are encouraging non-white folks and women to carry loaded guns to defend themselves, don't you? These two groups are often interfered with by strangers on the street. We've seen white males hassle people on the street. Should we shoot them? Should the young man harassed by Pentland have shot him? If a woman is touched sexually, should she shoot? Should Arbery been armed, a 2A champion, and shot McMichael? You like this idea. I don't.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

I see an unarmed man on foot, being chased by an armed man in a truck.

That's what I saw. I didn't see anyone "out for a jog".

Well, let's see . . . man in shorts and a t-shirt, running down the street . . . what is the essential element that constitutes "out for a jog" that you think is missing?

Wait, I thought you said he was "being chased by an armed man in a truck". That's different from "out for a jog".

The missing element is "being chased by an armed man in a truck".

There appears to be no evidence that Arbery was "out for a jog".

Is the argument you're going with, "He wasn't jogging, because they were chasing him, so that means it was okay for them to chase him"? Really, you want that to be your final answer?

No. I will spell it out for you and the other simpletons.

His mom and the media are the only ones who said he was "out for a jog". Both his family and the media have something to gain by having you believe that he was just a good boy, not doing anything wrong and bothering no one. Just like George Floyd's case, those lawyers were there in a heartbeat promising his folks millions in civil settlement money.

There is no evidence to support that Arbery was taking a jog from his house on Boykin Ridge Drive. He would have had to go across US 17 and down Santilla Drive. No ring doorbell videos, no garage cameras, nothing that we have seen that shows a guy go "jogging" by. When we first see Arbery in the neighbors surveillance video, he is not jogging. He is clearly walking towards the empty house. When we see him in the house, he appears to be wearing cargo shorts. How many people do you see jogging in cargo shorts? Whatever kind of shorts they were, they don't look like athletic shorts to me

Some fool on here said he was jogging in the video where he got shot. How stupid. He has already been confronted by the rednecks at that point, so he was running away and not "out for a jog".

The whole point is that YOU are being led to feel a certain way about Arbery. You havent taken time to notice that the language being used over and over again by the media is being purposely drilled into your head to "help" you reach your conclusion.

I'm not saying Arbery was doing anything wrong and I'm not saying he wasnt. But its weird that the jogging thing is being beat over our heads over and over without any evidence. If Arbery was not out jogging like everyone in the media has said, then why are we being told he was? That is what I want you all to consider. The power of the media is strong.

And now I will spell it out for YOU, Captain Kneejerk.

It really doesn't matter if he was out for a jog or not. Whatever you want to call it, it's not illegal to run down a street in the state of Georgia. Without evidence that there was something criminal involved in it - which you, despite ample opportunity, have not provided - it most certainly is not legal in the state of Georgia for private citizens to jump in their trucks with their guns and chase him simply because he was running through the neighborhood and they thought he looked like the suspect in a string of burglaries that happened weeks earlier (which is from their own statements).

There really doesn't need to be any evidence that he was jogging. The United States, last time I checked, does not require people to prove their innocence. What needs evidence is that he was doing something criminal, and as I've pointed out, you haven't provided that. You've just maundered on with aimless obsession on, "Well, we have no proof he was jogging." He was running on the street. Call it jogging or call it flying on purple gossamer wings, whatever grabs you. Just don't try to call it justification for chasing him with guns unless you have proof of something criminal.

"There's no video of him getting from his neighborhood to Satilla, and . . . and . . . he was WALKING, not jogging, when he went up to the empty house." Yeah, and?

I really don't give a fuck what some other person did or didn't say on here. Unless it was me or you who said it, it has no place in a post addressed to me, and you're cordially invited to stop wasting screen space and my time arguing at me against someone else's words because you don't have anything to offer in regards to MY post. FOCUS!

The whole point is that YOU have no argument and no evidence. YOU have led yourself to believe a certain way about Ahmaud Arbery because of the last year of bullshit and riots over "unarmed black men being shot" to the point where you automatically want to believe any story of that nature MUST be the black man's fault, and anyone who disagrees with your snap, partisan judgement must only be doing so because they're a leftist/they're blindly believing the mainstream media; any thought that YOU have, however emotional and illogical, is obviously THE conservative position, and agreeing with it is the litmus test. Fuck that. Unless you think The Daily Wire is a left-wing media outlet complicitly using special language to drill the left's narrative into my head - and by the way, as I've mentioned before, the mainstream media has largely memory-holed this whole story, which is the best proof that Arbery really was a victim - I do not wish to hear your ASSumptions about what I have and haven't noticed, and how I'm being "led" because you want to think that.

I've looked at the same evidence you have, but I parked MY emotions at the door and evaluated it strictly on the basis of THIS case and what was actually there. Whenever you'd like to stop asserting your opinions as fact and actually provide some real exculpatory evidence, you are welcome to do so. God knows, I've asked multiple times.

You must have manure for your brains. It does matter if he was out for a jog.

The whole foundation that this incident rested on is the supposed fact that Arbery was just out jogging.....minding his own business. You understand? We have been told that the reason that Arbery was on Santilla Ct. was because he was just trying to stay in shape.

You and I both know that he was not in that neighborhood because he was trying to stay physically fit. He was not fucking jogging. So since that surely appears to be false, we have to ask, why was he in that neighborhood? From there, you guys can debate all you want about whether he assaulted them or they hunted him. I dont really give a shit.

I just dont like being fucking lied to by the media in order to try to make me feel sorry for this fucking guy.

The truth is no one knows what ahmaud arbary's intent was for being in that neighborhood....and it really is not important.

However, I do agree with you that the media has spun it to make arbary appear to be completely innocent...now whether or not arbary had any evil or illegal motive to be in that neighborhood aka casing it out for a burglary is unknown...yet the media spins it to the effect that it is absolutely true he was just out jogging for fun or whatever....the problem with that spin is that Arbary whilst in the house under construction sees the neighbor come out and hears him call the police to tell them about a stranger or intruder being in the house under construction and when he hears that Arbary takes off running...guilty people usually run...I am not saying he was guilty of anything at this point as in I do not know nor do I think anyone knows for sure and certainly the media does not know for sure that he was innocent....as they portray him and they also ignore his criminal history and his mental history. It is known he had mental problems.

Yet it is also absolutely clear he was trespassing in a construction site....however I do not know the Georgia law on that.

In conclusion on this particular matter of him being in the house under construction (which is a felony in some states aka to tresspass onto a construction site) the only real relevance it has is that is what motivated the McMichaels to begin their chase as in they had been notified that someone was in the house....then in addition to that the elder McMichael sees arbary running down the road past the front of his house and as he is out in the front of his house
he recognizes Arbary from a previous security cam video that captures arbary tresspassing in the house under construction --- thus when you add the two factors together.....getting a phone call about a trespasser and then seeing and recognizing Arbary he was motivated to give chase....and justifiably so

Why are you trying so hard to spin this? If the McMichaels thought that there was a criminal around, they should have called the police. 911 calls are recorded. We will listen to their calls to 911 dispatchers. Right now, we are looking at a guy who drove behind Arbery and recording him jogging. And then two guys parked in the middle of the street heavily armed. Arbery was not carrying a gun.

Under GA law, they are allowed to make a citizens arrest instead of waiting for cops to arrive as the criminal gets away.

Post the law.

look it up yourself....fucking lazy people suck

So do dumbasses.

 

[PatriotJohn888]

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Serious question. The MSM has consistently reported that Arbery was jogging. Is there any evidence at all to support that claim?

Serious question. Does it matter? Whether he was jogging, walking, or dancing in a tutu by the light of the full moon, would it justify non-police civilians detaining him on the street with guns and then shooting him?

Yes it does matter. As I have stated, I am not talking about the circumstances around why he was killed. I just want to know, was there any surveillance footage of this man jogging? Anywhere at anytime? If not, why are people saying he was jogging? Only because him mom said that?

There is video footage that one of the defendants shot and released himself (Roddy) of Arbery jogging showing that they were following and kept cutting him off whenever he would try to take different path. It is also reported that 2 of the 3 defendants were yelling at him to "stop" that they wanted to talk to him, thereby indicating that he was in motion (jogging). He was jogging before he even encountered them meaning he wasn't fleeing from them but it appears at times he did try to avoid them.

I am talking about before he entered the house. When he left the house, he was fleeing after being confronted by a neighbor.

 

[Turtlesoup]

I see a lot of incoherent bullshit in the above posts.....why is that?....obviously some do not want to accept the truth or actual facts of the case as that would negate their liberal narrative of black victimhood.

Ok. The claim was made that it was a legal attempt at a citizens arrest. That assertion was proven false. Next it was shown that the McMichaels committed multiple felonies before the shot was fired.

Those felonies make self defense ineligible. No felon can claim self defense for a death that occurs during the commission of a crime. You keep harping on the video. But there is a lot of information in addition to the video.

No one wants to discuss the actual laws and precedents regarding the case. They want to pretend the video is all. But here is who disagrees with you.

Prosecutors. Grand Jurors, Judges, and Defense Attorneys.

So even the lawyers for the defendants say you are wrong. But you persist screaming liberals won’t learn.

So help me out. How do we unlearn all we know to reduce it to the small minded point of view you maintain. Explain why we are wrong.

Again....lend me your ears.....there was no attempt to make a citizens arrest nada as in......NONE.....got dat????

And then........and then ..............and then you claim the McMichaels committed several felonies.........absolute bullshit......I asked you before.....I ask you again list these alleged felonies......you could not and you still cannot because they only exist in your mind.......are you sane?????? Obviously you have a movie playing in your head that does not conform to reality.

Also you keep refusing to answer the question....did you watch the video that shows Ahmuad attacking the younger McMichaels????

Ive watched the video. Many times. And I’ve answered your question. Many times.

Ok. You like videos. Good.



Here the evidence against the McMichaels is explained and listed. I don’t expect you have watched it. It is longer than a minute.

Each charge is explained and evidence for it is listed. For me the funniest part is not the cops listing the evidence. It isn’t the prosecutor discussing the law. It isn’t even the judge. It is the defense attorneys. All three have a different explanation why their clients should not be charged.

Roddy’s attorney says yes the McMichaels committed the crimes. But Roddy was just trying to be a good neighbor and help out. He did not realize the pursuit was criminal. Daddy’s lawyer says that his client was on the phone with police and he was trying to keep the suspect in view when Junior committed the murder.

So watch the video and let me know what crimes the McMichaels didn’t commit. You think the videos are vital. Watch them.

The state admits in that video that Ahmaud Arbary attacked the younger McMichaels....CASE CLOSED

There is no legal excuse for that assault....once the jury hears that....I see no way they can vote to convict.

The judge disagreed with you. He said there was no cause to dismiss charges. He denied bail.

Georgia Law which we have tried to explain to you says the McMichaels can not legally do what they did.

Let me explain it to you this way. Let’s say I see a man running down the road. I grab my gun and set off in pursuit. The first question I have to answer is why I set off in pursuit. What was my legal reason.

The McMichaels claim they wanted to talk to Arbury about some burglaries. But here is the rub. In Georgia I don’t have the right to do that. I don’t have the legal right unless I see a crime committed. A crime I have the legal authority to enforce.

This brings up the Winn Dixie case. If I think someone stole something from your house I can’t do anything but call 911. Not legally. You have to be the one to set off in pursuit. I have no legal authority under Citizens Arrest to even try to shout questions or shout stop at the man running down the street.

The McMichaels and Roddy hit Arbury with their trucks. They told the police this and documented the dents on the trucks as proof.

In Georgia this is attempted false imprisonment. A felony.

In the video you love so much you don’t realize it but it shows the McMichaels committing another felony.

The law in Georgia is pretty strict about weapons in public. Using a weapon in a threatening manner is aggravated assault. A felony. Before this happened the legislature was debating the law. Because under the law if I held a criminal at gunpoint I was committing aggravated assault.

Allow me to explain that. Let’s say I catch a robber in my house. I pull a gun and hold him for police. Technically I have committed aggravated assault. I am only authorized by law to have my gun out in such a situation if there is imminent threat to life. I may not be indicted for it. I may not be convicted. But the letter of the law says I committed a crime.

So back to the McMichaels. Junior standing in the street trying to stop Arbury is committing a Felony. Aggravated Assault under Georgia Law. Daddy in the back with his pistol out is also committing the same crime.

So we have three crimes. Attempted Illegal Imprisonment. Possession of a firearm during the commission of a crime. And finally aggravated assault.

All this before the first shot is fired.

You say no way for a Jury to convict. But again. This is Georgia. We know what they did is wrong. We know you don’t load up the truck with gun toting idiots and chase someone down. We know you don’t wave the bang stick around.

I live in Georgia. I’ve lived here for thirty years. My neighbors and I talked about this case. They all thought that the McMichaels were idiots, and going to spend the rest of their lives in prison. I live in Rural Georgia. Country folks. And they know what the McMichaels did was wrong and against the law.

I’m being honest here. I give the trio one chance in fifty of avoiding prison. It isn’t race. Or political. It is Georgia.

If you gun down an intruder in your house. You are not going to face any legal issue here.



That woman didn’t face a disturbing the peace charge. All we said was are you ok? A few objected. But legally Georgia said it was fine.

The same Georgians who have no issue with her have big time issues with the Brunswick Trio. Think about that.

Sounds like a corrupt or inept judge-------the dems have flooded our justice system with such judges.

 

[Turtlesoup]

I see an unarmed man on foot, being chased by an armed man in a truck.

That's what I saw. I didn't see anyone "out for a jog".

Well, let's see . . . man in shorts and a t-shirt, running down the street . . . what is the essential element that constitutes "out for a jog" that you think is missing?

Wait, I thought you said he was "being chased by an armed man in a truck". That's different from "out for a jog".

The missing element is "being chased by an armed man in a truck".

There appears to be no evidence that Arbery was "out for a jog".

Is the argument you're going with, "He wasn't jogging, because they were chasing him, so that means it was okay for them to chase him"? Really, you want that to be your final answer?

No. I will spell it out for you and the other simpletons.

His mom and the media are the only ones who said he was "out for a jog". Both his family and the media have something to gain by having you believe that he was just a good boy, not doing anything wrong and bothering no one. Just like George Floyd's case, those lawyers were there in a heartbeat promising his folks millions in civil settlement money.

There is no evidence to support that Arbery was taking a jog from his house on Boykin Ridge Drive. He would have had to go across US 17 and down Santilla Drive. No ring doorbell videos, no garage cameras, nothing that we have seen that shows a guy go "jogging" by. When we first see Arbery in the neighbors surveillance video, he is not jogging. He is clearly walking towards the empty house. When we see him in the house, he appears to be wearing cargo shorts. How many people do you see jogging in cargo shorts? Whatever kind of shorts they were, they don't look like athletic shorts to me

Some fool on here said he was jogging in the video where he got shot. How stupid. He has already been confronted by the rednecks at that point, so he was running away and not "out for a jog".

The whole point is that YOU are being led to feel a certain way about Arbery. You havent taken time to notice that the language being used over and over again by the media is being purposely drilled into your head to "help" you reach your conclusion.

I'm not saying Arbery was doing anything wrong and I'm not saying he wasnt. But its weird that the jogging thing is being beat over our heads over and over without any evidence. If Arbery was not out jogging like everyone in the media has said, then why are we being told he was? That is what I want you all to consider. The power of the media is strong.

And now I will spell it out for YOU, Captain Kneejerk.

It really doesn't matter if he was out for a jog or not. Whatever you want to call it, it's not illegal to run down a street in the state of Georgia. Without evidence that there was something criminal involved in it - which you, despite ample opportunity, have not provided - it most certainly is not legal in the state of Georgia for private citizens to jump in their trucks with their guns and chase him simply because he was running through the neighborhood and they thought he looked like the suspect in a string of burglaries that happened weeks earlier (which is from their own statements).

There really doesn't need to be any evidence that he was jogging. The United States, last time I checked, does not require people to prove their innocence. What needs evidence is that he was doing something criminal, and as I've pointed out, you haven't provided that. You've just maundered on with aimless obsession on, "Well, we have no proof he was jogging." He was running on the street. Call it jogging or call it flying on purple gossamer wings, whatever grabs you. Just don't try to call it justification for chasing him with guns unless you have proof of something criminal.

"There's no video of him getting from his neighborhood to Satilla, and . . . and . . . he was WALKING, not jogging, when he went up to the empty house." Yeah, and?

I really don't give a fuck what some other person did or didn't say on here. Unless it was me or you who said it, it has no place in a post addressed to me, and you're cordially invited to stop wasting screen space and my time arguing at me against someone else's words because you don't have anything to offer in regards to MY post. FOCUS!

The whole point is that YOU have no argument and no evidence. YOU have led yourself to believe a certain way about Ahmaud Arbery because of the last year of bullshit and riots over "unarmed black men being shot" to the point where you automatically want to believe any story of that nature MUST be the black man's fault, and anyone who disagrees with your snap, partisan judgement must only be doing so because they're a leftist/they're blindly believing the mainstream media; any thought that YOU have, however emotional and illogical, is obviously THE conservative position, and agreeing with it is the litmus test. Fuck that. Unless you think The Daily Wire is a left-wing media outlet complicitly using special language to drill the left's narrative into my head - and by the way, as I've mentioned before, the mainstream media has largely memory-holed this whole story, which is the best proof that Arbery really was a victim - I do not wish to hear your ASSumptions about what I have and haven't noticed, and how I'm being "led" because you want to think that.

I've looked at the same evidence you have, but I parked MY emotions at the door and evaluated it strictly on the basis of THIS case and what was actually there. Whenever you'd like to stop asserting your opinions as fact and actually provide some real exculpatory evidence, you are welcome to do so. God knows, I've asked multiple times.

You must have manure for your brains. It does matter if he was out for a jog.

The whole foundation that this incident rested on is the supposed fact that Arbery was just out jogging.....minding his own business. You understand? We have been told that the reason that Arbery was on Santilla Ct. was because he was just trying to stay in shape.

You and I both know that he was not in that neighborhood because he was trying to stay physically fit. He was not fucking jogging. So since that surely appears to be false, we have to ask, why was he in that neighborhood? From there, you guys can debate all you want about whether he assaulted them or they hunted him. I dont really give a shit.

I just dont like being fucking lied to by the media in order to try to make me feel sorry for this fucking guy.

The truth is no one knows what ahmaud arbary's intent was for being in that neighborhood....and it really is not important.

However, I do agree with you that the media has spun it to make arbary appear to be completely innocent...now whether or not arbary had any evil or illegal motive to be in that neighborhood aka casing it out for a burglary is unknown...yet the media spins it to the effect that it is absolutely true he was just out jogging for fun or whatever....the problem with that spin is that Arbary whilst in the house under construction sees the neighbor come out and hears him call the police to tell them about a stranger or intruder being in the house under construction and when he hears that Arbary takes off running...guilty people usually run...I am not saying he was guilty of anything at this point as in I do not know nor do I think anyone knows for sure and certainly the media does not know for sure that he was innocent....as they portray him and they also ignore his criminal history and his mental history. It is known he had mental problems.

Yet it is also absolutely clear he was trespassing in a construction site....however I do not know the Georgia law on that.

In conclusion on this particular matter of him being in the house under construction (which is a felony in some states aka to tresspass onto a construction site) the only real relevance it has is that is what motivated the McMichaels to begin their chase as in they had been notified that someone was in the house....then in addition to that the elder McMichael sees arbary running down the road past the front of his house and as he is out in the front of his house
he recognizes Arbary from a previous security cam video that captures arbary tresspassing in the house under construction --- thus when you add the two factors together.....getting a phone call about a trespasser and then seeing and recognizing Arbary he was motivated to give chase....and justifiably so

Why are you trying so hard to spin this? If the McMichaels thought that there was a criminal around, they should have called the police. 911 calls are recorded. We will listen to their calls to 911 dispatchers. Right now, we are looking at a guy who drove behind Arbery and recording him jogging. And then two guys parked in the middle of the street heavily armed. Arbery was not carrying a gun.

Under GA law, they are allowed to make a citizens arrest instead of waiting for cops to arrive as the criminal gets away.

Post the law.

Learn to GOOGLE.....you are not a baby and more specifically you are not my baby. Maybe you should be asking your mommy to do it for you.

I went ahead and did it this time. Notice that the criminals at BLM are again focused on themselves and trying to do away with citizens stopping criminals. Maybe their stupid asses need to grow up as well.

Georgia state overhauls citizen arrest law following Ahmaud Arbery's death

Georgia overhauled a Civil War-era law Wednesday that allowed residents to arrest anyone they suspected of committing a crime - a "citizens arrest" law invoked by the defense of the three men accused of killing Ahmaud Arbery last year.

www.reuters.com

 

[SavannahMann]

I see a lot of incoherent bullshit in the above posts.....why is that?....obviously some do not want to accept the truth or actual facts of the case as that would negate their liberal narrative of black victimhood.

Ok. The claim was made that it was a legal attempt at a citizens arrest. That assertion was proven false. Next it was shown that the McMichaels committed multiple felonies before the shot was fired.

Those felonies make self defense ineligible. No felon can claim self defense for a death that occurs during the commission of a crime. You keep harping on the video. But there is a lot of information in addition to the video.

No one wants to discuss the actual laws and precedents regarding the case. They want to pretend the video is all. But here is who disagrees with you.

Prosecutors. Grand Jurors, Judges, and Defense Attorneys.

So even the lawyers for the defendants say you are wrong. But you persist screaming liberals won’t learn.

So help me out. How do we unlearn all we know to reduce it to the small minded point of view you maintain. Explain why we are wrong.

Again....lend me your ears.....there was no attempt to make a citizens arrest nada as in......NONE.....got dat????

And then........and then ..............and then you claim the McMichaels committed several felonies.........absolute bullshit......I asked you before.....I ask you again list these alleged felonies......you could not and you still cannot because they only exist in your mind.......are you sane?????? Obviously you have a movie playing in your head that does not conform to reality.

Also you keep refusing to answer the question....did you watch the video that shows Ahmuad attacking the younger McMichaels????

Ive watched the video. Many times. And I’ve answered your question. Many times.

Ok. You like videos. Good.



Here the evidence against the McMichaels is explained and listed. I don’t expect you have watched it. It is longer than a minute.

Each charge is explained and evidence for it is listed. For me the funniest part is not the cops listing the evidence. It isn’t the prosecutor discussing the law. It isn’t even the judge. It is the defense attorneys. All three have a different explanation why their clients should not be charged.

Roddy’s attorney says yes the McMichaels committed the crimes. But Roddy was just trying to be a good neighbor and help out. He did not realize the pursuit was criminal. Daddy’s lawyer says that his client was on the phone with police and he was trying to keep the suspect in view when Junior committed the murder.

So watch the video and let me know what crimes the McMichaels didn’t commit. You think the videos are vital. Watch them.

The state admits in that video that Ahmaud Arbary attacked the younger McMichaels....CASE CLOSED

There is no legal excuse for that assault....once the jury hears that....I see no way they can vote to convict.

The judge disagreed with you. He said there was no cause to dismiss charges. He denied bail.

Georgia Law which we have tried to explain to you says the McMichaels can not legally do what they did.

Let me explain it to you this way. Let’s say I see a man running down the road. I grab my gun and set off in pursuit. The first question I have to answer is why I set off in pursuit. What was my legal reason.

The McMichaels claim they wanted to talk to Arbury about some burglaries. But here is the rub. In Georgia I don’t have the right to do that. I don’t have the legal right unless I see a crime committed. A crime I have the legal authority to enforce.

This brings up the Winn Dixie case. If I think someone stole something from your house I can’t do anything but call 911. Not legally. You have to be the one to set off in pursuit. I have no legal authority under Citizens Arrest to even try to shout questions or shout stop at the man running down the street.

The McMichaels and Roddy hit Arbury with their trucks. They told the police this and documented the dents on the trucks as proof.

In Georgia this is attempted false imprisonment. A felony.

In the video you love so much you don’t realize it but it shows the McMichaels committing another felony.

The law in Georgia is pretty strict about weapons in public. Using a weapon in a threatening manner is aggravated assault. A felony. Before this happened the legislature was debating the law. Because under the law if I held a criminal at gunpoint I was committing aggravated assault.

Allow me to explain that. Let’s say I catch a robber in my house. I pull a gun and hold him for police. Technically I have committed aggravated assault. I am only authorized by law to have my gun out in such a situation if there is imminent threat to life. I may not be indicted for it. I may not be convicted. But the letter of the law says I committed a crime.

So back to the McMichaels. Junior standing in the street trying to stop Arbury is committing a Felony. Aggravated Assault under Georgia Law. Daddy in the back with his pistol out is also committing the same crime.

So we have three crimes. Attempted Illegal Imprisonment. Possession of a firearm during the commission of a crime. And finally aggravated assault.

All this before the first shot is fired.

You say no way for a Jury to convict. But again. This is Georgia. We know what they did is wrong. We know you don’t load up the truck with gun toting idiots and chase someone down. We know you don’t wave the bang stick around.

I live in Georgia. I’ve lived here for thirty years. My neighbors and I talked about this case. They all thought that the McMichaels were idiots, and going to spend the rest of their lives in prison. I live in Rural Georgia. Country folks. And they know what the McMichaels did was wrong and against the law.

I’m being honest here. I give the trio one chance in fifty of avoiding prison. It isn’t race. Or political. It is Georgia.

If you gun down an intruder in your house. You are not going to face any legal issue here.



That woman didn’t face a disturbing the peace charge. All we said was are you ok? A few objected. But legally Georgia said it was fine.

The same Georgians who have no issue with her have big time issues with the Brunswick Trio. Think about that.

Sounds like a corrupt or inept judge-------the dems have flooded our justice system with such judges.

Magistrate Judges are elected. So this judge was elected in a conservative area. A local. Hmmmm. Well perhaps the State. No. The State has been solidly Republican for many years. Damn. I can’t find any evidence to support your insane conspiracy theory.

 

[John T. Ford]

Serious question. The MSM has consistently reported that Arbery was jogging. Is there any evidence at all to support that claim?

No ...

Aubry was casing houses for theft.

 

[SavannahMann]

I am talking about before he entered the house. When he left the house, he was fleeing after being confronted by a neighbor.

Actually. The Neighbor had no authority to confront him under Georgia Law. The Winn Dixie precedent that I’ve mentioned a time or twenty.

https://www.gabar.org/forthepublic/forteachersstudents/lre/teacherresources/upload/ch16.pdf

Let me summarize. The crime has to happen in your immediate knowledge. Obviously Arbury wasn’t stealing anything. So no crime was being committed at the time the McMichaels gave chase. So the attempt to effect a citizens arrest was a crime. A felony.

 

[SavannahMann]

Serious question. The MSM has consistently reported that Arbery was jogging. Is there any evidence at all to support that claim?

No ...

Aubry was casing houses for theft.

Even if it was true. It doesn’t help the McMichaels at all. No crime was committed in their presence. So they had no authority to effect a citizens arrest. Instead they committed a felony.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I see an unarmed man on foot, being chased by an armed man in a truck.

That's what I saw. I didn't see anyone "out for a jog".

Well, let's see . . . man in shorts and a t-shirt, running down the street . . . what is the essential element that constitutes "out for a jog" that you think is missing?

Wait, I thought you said he was "being chased by an armed man in a truck". That's different from "out for a jog".

The missing element is "being chased by an armed man in a truck".

There appears to be no evidence that Arbery was "out for a jog".

Is the argument you're going with, "He wasn't jogging, because they were chasing him, so that means it was okay for them to chase him"? Really, you want that to be your final answer?

No. I will spell it out for you and the other simpletons.

His mom and the media are the only ones who said he was "out for a jog". Both his family and the media have something to gain by having you believe that he was just a good boy, not doing anything wrong and bothering no one. Just like George Floyd's case, those lawyers were there in a heartbeat promising his folks millions in civil settlement money.

There is no evidence to support that Arbery was taking a jog from his house on Boykin Ridge Drive. He would have had to go across US 17 and down Santilla Drive. No ring doorbell videos, no garage cameras, nothing that we have seen that shows a guy go "jogging" by. When we first see Arbery in the neighbors surveillance video, he is not jogging. He is clearly walking towards the empty house. When we see him in the house, he appears to be wearing cargo shorts. How many people do you see jogging in cargo shorts? Whatever kind of shorts they were, they don't look like athletic shorts to me

Some fool on here said he was jogging in the video where he got shot. How stupid. He has already been confronted by the rednecks at that point, so he was running away and not "out for a jog".

The whole point is that YOU are being led to feel a certain way about Arbery. You havent taken time to notice that the language being used over and over again by the media is being purposely drilled into your head to "help" you reach your conclusion.

I'm not saying Arbery was doing anything wrong and I'm not saying he wasnt. But its weird that the jogging thing is being beat over our heads over and over without any evidence. If Arbery was not out jogging like everyone in the media has said, then why are we being told he was? That is what I want you all to consider. The power of the media is strong.

And now I will spell it out for YOU, Captain Kneejerk.

It really doesn't matter if he was out for a jog or not. Whatever you want to call it, it's not illegal to run down a street in the state of Georgia. Without evidence that there was something criminal involved in it - which you, despite ample opportunity, have not provided - it most certainly is not legal in the state of Georgia for private citizens to jump in their trucks with their guns and chase him simply because he was running through the neighborhood and they thought he looked like the suspect in a string of burglaries that happened weeks earlier (which is from their own statements).

There really doesn't need to be any evidence that he was jogging. The United States, last time I checked, does not require people to prove their innocence. What needs evidence is that he was doing something criminal, and as I've pointed out, you haven't provided that. You've just maundered on with aimless obsession on, "Well, we have no proof he was jogging." He was running on the street. Call it jogging or call it flying on purple gossamer wings, whatever grabs you. Just don't try to call it justification for chasing him with guns unless you have proof of something criminal.

"There's no video of him getting from his neighborhood to Satilla, and . . . and . . . he was WALKING, not jogging, when he went up to the empty house." Yeah, and?

I really don't give a fuck what some other person did or didn't say on here. Unless it was me or you who said it, it has no place in a post addressed to me, and you're cordially invited to stop wasting screen space and my time arguing at me against someone else's words because you don't have anything to offer in regards to MY post. FOCUS!

The whole point is that YOU have no argument and no evidence. YOU have led yourself to believe a certain way about Ahmaud Arbery because of the last year of bullshit and riots over "unarmed black men being shot" to the point where you automatically want to believe any story of that nature MUST be the black man's fault, and anyone who disagrees with your snap, partisan judgement must only be doing so because they're a leftist/they're blindly believing the mainstream media; any thought that YOU have, however emotional and illogical, is obviously THE conservative position, and agreeing with it is the litmus test. Fuck that. Unless you think The Daily Wire is a left-wing media outlet complicitly using special language to drill the left's narrative into my head - and by the way, as I've mentioned before, the mainstream media has largely memory-holed this whole story, which is the best proof that Arbery really was a victim - I do not wish to hear your ASSumptions about what I have and haven't noticed, and how I'm being "led" because you want to think that.

I've looked at the same evidence you have, but I parked MY emotions at the door and evaluated it strictly on the basis of THIS case and what was actually there. Whenever you'd like to stop asserting your opinions as fact and actually provide some real exculpatory evidence, you are welcome to do so. God knows, I've asked multiple times.

You must have manure for your brains. It does matter if he was out for a jog.

The whole foundation that this incident rested on is the supposed fact that Arbery was just out jogging.....minding his own business. You understand? We have been told that the reason that Arbery was on Santilla Ct. was because he was just trying to stay in shape.

You and I both know that he was not in that neighborhood because he was trying to stay physically fit. He was not fucking jogging. So since that surely appears to be false, we have to ask, why was he in that neighborhood? From there, you guys can debate all you want about whether he assaulted them or they hunted him. I dont really give a shit.

I just dont like being fucking lied to by the media in order to try to make me feel sorry for this fucking guy.

Blah blah blah "You did not jump to the conclusion that the black man deserved it, you're stupid for disagreeing with my snap partisan judgement, it's a great argument for me to insult you, that makes me CORRECT!"

The whole foundation of the incident is that Ahmaud Arbery was not breaking the law by running down the street. It does not matter why he was running down the street, or what you personally think of the reason given for him doing it. You keep wanting to quibble about, "AHA!!! I don't believe he was jogging, therefore it was okay for these civilians to grab guns and chase him!" I don't care if he was jogging, or if he was running because he saw a pretty butterfly that he wanted to look at, or he just had some weird brain spasm that made him feel like suddenly running. What matters is that running down a street, for whatever reason one does it, IS NOT ILLEGAL unless you have evidence of a crime taking place that can be linked to the running. And you can't prove it, no one involved with the case has even tried to claim it. You are just trying to inject that in there, because you want to believe the McMichaels were justified for reasons having nothing to do with the facts currently available. The McMichaels have not claimed that they saw him doing anything wrong that day; Bryan has not claimed that he saw Arbery do anything wrong that day; the most anyone can claim is that they saw him stop, go into a construction site and look around, then go back to running. You are trying to invent "Well, he was probably . . ." to support the assumption that you predetermined before you saw any evidence.

You and I don't both know a fucking thing, buddy, and I will thank you not to superciliously impose your biased assumptions onto me as "you know this, because I have decided that my opinion is objective universal truth." Fuck you. I am telling you what I know and what I think, and you do NOT get to dismiss it and tell me that I'm lying about my own thoughts, because you know what's in my head better than I do, based on nothing more than what you want.

What I know is that you are no better than the rankest leftist at this point, deciding your narrative and then just making up whatever you need to so you can claim that the truth is whatever you want it to be, and you somehow feel justified in switching off your brain and operating on your hormones because you're doing it in service of the "right" narrative.

If you have some evidence that Arbery was doing something other than running and minding his own business - actual EVIDENCE, not this "We both know, because I've decided it's fact" left-thinking bullshit - then bring it out. I've asked you to do so many times, and all you ever come back with is "You have manure for brains because you disagree with me, you KNOW I'm right".

All I have to say is, congratulations. You're now the pseudo-rightwing version of BLM. "Don't find the actual truth; find the conclusion I've decided is the right one." You might as well go burn some buildings in protest, because you have no claim to being anything better.

Should you ever have something intelligent to say - like the evidence you've been asked for repeatedly with no response - then you may come back and ask me nicely, and maybe I'll grant you a few moments of my time to try to redeem yourself from the ranks of ravening sub-human. But make it good, because my time is valuable and you've already wasted enough of it with your empty, partisan rants.

 

[d0gbreath]

The State of Georgia is still trying them on the murder charges. This is the federal government bringing charges on the civil rights violations.

I'm still not clear on how they try them simultaneously.

As was so eloquently explained to me earlier by Cecellie.
They must try them one at a time, which makes you wonder how much influence the first trial's verdict will have on the second trial. I believe that the state should try them for murder first, so that there won't be a previous verdict. We'll see, I guess.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I see an unarmed man on foot, being chased by an armed man in a truck.

That's what I saw. I didn't see anyone "out for a jog".

Well, let's see . . . man in shorts and a t-shirt, running down the street . . . what is the essential element that constitutes "out for a jog" that you think is missing?

Wait, I thought you said he was "being chased by an armed man in a truck". That's different from "out for a jog".

The missing element is "being chased by an armed man in a truck".

There appears to be no evidence that Arbery was "out for a jog".

Is the argument you're going with, "He wasn't jogging, because they were chasing him, so that means it was okay for them to chase him"? Really, you want that to be your final answer?

No. I will spell it out for you and the other simpletons.

His mom and the media are the only ones who said he was "out for a jog". Both his family and the media have something to gain by having you believe that he was just a good boy, not doing anything wrong and bothering no one. Just like George Floyd's case, those lawyers were there in a heartbeat promising his folks millions in civil settlement money.

There is no evidence to support that Arbery was taking a jog from his house on Boykin Ridge Drive. He would have had to go across US 17 and down Santilla Drive. No ring doorbell videos, no garage cameras, nothing that we have seen that shows a guy go "jogging" by. When we first see Arbery in the neighbors surveillance video, he is not jogging. He is clearly walking towards the empty house. When we see him in the house, he appears to be wearing cargo shorts. How many people do you see jogging in cargo shorts? Whatever kind of shorts they were, they don't look like athletic shorts to me

Some fool on here said he was jogging in the video where he got shot. How stupid. He has already been confronted by the rednecks at that point, so he was running away and not "out for a jog".

The whole point is that YOU are being led to feel a certain way about Arbery. You havent taken time to notice that the language being used over and over again by the media is being purposely drilled into your head to "help" you reach your conclusion.

I'm not saying Arbery was doing anything wrong and I'm not saying he wasnt. But its weird that the jogging thing is being beat over our heads over and over without any evidence. If Arbery was not out jogging like everyone in the media has said, then why are we being told he was? That is what I want you all to consider. The power of the media is strong.

And now I will spell it out for YOU, Captain Kneejerk.

It really doesn't matter if he was out for a jog or not. Whatever you want to call it, it's not illegal to run down a street in the state of Georgia. Without evidence that there was something criminal involved in it - which you, despite ample opportunity, have not provided - it most certainly is not legal in the state of Georgia for private citizens to jump in their trucks with their guns and chase him simply because he was running through the neighborhood and they thought he looked like the suspect in a string of burglaries that happened weeks earlier (which is from their own statements).

There really doesn't need to be any evidence that he was jogging. The United States, last time I checked, does not require people to prove their innocence. What needs evidence is that he was doing something criminal, and as I've pointed out, you haven't provided that. You've just maundered on with aimless obsession on, "Well, we have no proof he was jogging." He was running on the street. Call it jogging or call it flying on purple gossamer wings, whatever grabs you. Just don't try to call it justification for chasing him with guns unless you have proof of something criminal.

"There's no video of him getting from his neighborhood to Satilla, and . . . and . . . he was WALKING, not jogging, when he went up to the empty house." Yeah, and?

I really don't give a fuck what some other person did or didn't say on here. Unless it was me or you who said it, it has no place in a post addressed to me, and you're cordially invited to stop wasting screen space and my time arguing at me against someone else's words because you don't have anything to offer in regards to MY post. FOCUS!

The whole point is that YOU have no argument and no evidence. YOU have led yourself to believe a certain way about Ahmaud Arbery because of the last year of bullshit and riots over "unarmed black men being shot" to the point where you automatically want to believe any story of that nature MUST be the black man's fault, and anyone who disagrees with your snap, partisan judgement must only be doing so because they're a leftist/they're blindly believing the mainstream media; any thought that YOU have, however emotional and illogical, is obviously THE conservative position, and agreeing with it is the litmus test. Fuck that. Unless you think The Daily Wire is a left-wing media outlet complicitly using special language to drill the left's narrative into my head - and by the way, as I've mentioned before, the mainstream media has largely memory-holed this whole story, which is the best proof that Arbery really was a victim - I do not wish to hear your ASSumptions about what I have and haven't noticed, and how I'm being "led" because you want to think that.

I've looked at the same evidence you have, but I parked MY emotions at the door and evaluated it strictly on the basis of THIS case and what was actually there. Whenever you'd like to stop asserting your opinions as fact and actually provide some real exculpatory evidence, you are welcome to do so. God knows, I've asked multiple times.

You must have manure for your brains. It does matter if he was out for a jog.

The whole foundation that this incident rested on is the supposed fact that Arbery was just out jogging.....minding his own business. You understand? We have been told that the reason that Arbery was on Santilla Ct. was because he was just trying to stay in shape.

You and I both know that he was not in that neighborhood because he was trying to stay physically fit. He was not fucking jogging. So since that surely appears to be false, we have to ask, why was he in that neighborhood? From there, you guys can debate all you want about whether he assaulted them or they hunted him. I dont really give a shit.

I just dont like being fucking lied to by the media in order to try to make me feel sorry for this fucking guy.

The truth is no one knows what ahmaud arbary's intent was for being in that neighborhood....and it really is not important.

However, I do agree with you that the media has spun it to make arbary appear to be completely innocent...now whether or not arbary had any evil or illegal motive to be in that neighborhood aka casing it out for a burglary is unknown...yet the media spins it to the effect that it is absolutely true he was just out jogging for fun or whatever....the problem with that spin is that Arbary whilst in the house under construction sees the neighbor come out and hears him call the police to tell them about a stranger or intruder being in the house under construction and when he hears that Arbary takes off running...guilty people usually run...I am not saying he was guilty of anything at this point as in I do not know nor do I think anyone knows for sure and certainly the media does not know for sure that he was innocent....as they portray him and they also ignore his criminal history and his mental history. It is known he had mental problems.

Yet it is also absolutely clear he was trespassing in a construction site....however I do not know the Georgia law on that.

In conclusion on this particular matter of him being in the house under construction (which is a felony in some states aka to tresspass onto a construction site) the only real relevance it has is that is what motivated the McMichaels to begin their chase as in they had been notified that someone was in the house....then in addition to that the elder McMichael sees arbary running down the road past the front of his house and as he is out in the front of his house
he recognizes Arbary from a previous security cam video that captures arbary tresspassing in the house under construction --- thus when you add the two factors together.....getting a phone call about a trespasser and then seeing and recognizing Arbary he was motivated to give chase....and justifiably so

Why are you trying so hard to spin this? If the McMichaels thought that there was a criminal around, they should have called the police. 911 calls are recorded. We will listen to their calls to 911 dispatchers. Right now, we are looking at a guy who drove behind Arbery and recording him jogging. And then two guys parked in the middle of the street heavily armed. Arbery was not carrying a gun.

Under GA law, they are allowed to make a citizens arrest instead of waiting for cops to arrive as the criminal gets away.

"No, there's a law that says what I want!! I'm not quoting the law to show you where it says what I want, I'm just telling you it exists and you should accept that!"

Under Georgia law, they are only allowed to make a citizen's arrest IF THEY ACTUALLY SEE HIM COMMIT A CRIME. You have been told this multiple times, and you just keep glossing past it and pretending it didn't happen to assert the reality you want to be true.

Tell us the crime that the McMichaels personally saw Arbery commit that day, the one that even the McMichaels haven't mentioned.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The State of Georgia is still trying them on the murder charges. This is the federal government bringing charges on the civil rights violations.

I'm still not clear on how they try them simultaneously.

As was so eloquently explained to me earlier by Cecellie.
They must try them one at a time, which makes you wonder how much influence the first trial's verdict will have on the second trial. I believe that the state should try them for murder first, so that there won't be a previous verdict. We'll see, I guess.

I would expect that the federal trial for hate crimes would happen after the state trial for murder, simply because if they're not guilty of murder, they can't really be guilty of hate crimes in relation to the murder they aren't guilty of. But I assume the prosecutors know more about the legal issues there than I do.

 

[Cecilie1200]

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Serious question. The MSM has consistently reported that Arbery was jogging. Is there any evidence at all to support that claim?

Serious question. Does it matter? Whether he was jogging, walking, or dancing in a tutu by the light of the full moon, would it justify non-police civilians detaining him on the street with guns and then shooting him?

Yes it does matter. As I have stated, I am not talking about the circumstances around why he was killed. I just want to know, was there any surveillance footage of this man jogging? Anywhere at anytime? If not, why are people saying he was jogging? Only because him mom said that?

There is video footage that one of the defendants shot and released himself (Roddy) of Arbery jogging showing that they were following and kept cutting him off whenever he would try to take different path. It is also reported that 2 of the 3 defendants were yelling at him to "stop" that they wanted to talk to him, thereby indicating that he was in motion (jogging). He was jogging before he even encountered them meaning he wasn't fleeing from them but it appears at times he did try to avoid them.

I am talking about before he entered the house. When he left the house, he was fleeing after being confronted by a neighbor.

More assumptions. Please show us the evidence that Arbery was confronted by a neighbor, or evidence that the McMichaels knew about any such confrontation prior to grabbing their guns and heading out. Again, Papa McMichaels himself told the police that they chased Arbery simply because he looked like someone they suspected of committing burglaries. They didn't even have conclusive evidence that the suspect they thought Arbery looked like had done anything, let alone evidence that Arbery himself did anything.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I see a lot of incoherent bullshit in the above posts.....why is that?....obviously some do not want to accept the truth or actual facts of the case as that would negate their liberal narrative of black victimhood.

Ok. The claim was made that it was a legal attempt at a citizens arrest. That assertion was proven false. Next it was shown that the McMichaels committed multiple felonies before the shot was fired.

Those felonies make self defense ineligible. No felon can claim self defense for a death that occurs during the commission of a crime. You keep harping on the video. But there is a lot of information in addition to the video.

No one wants to discuss the actual laws and precedents regarding the case. They want to pretend the video is all. But here is who disagrees with you.

Prosecutors. Grand Jurors, Judges, and Defense Attorneys.

So even the lawyers for the defendants say you are wrong. But you persist screaming liberals won’t learn.

So help me out. How do we unlearn all we know to reduce it to the small minded point of view you maintain. Explain why we are wrong.

Again....lend me your ears.....there was no attempt to make a citizens arrest nada as in......NONE.....got dat????

And then........and then ..............and then you claim the McMichaels committed several felonies.........absolute bullshit......I asked you before.....I ask you again list these alleged felonies......you could not and you still cannot because they only exist in your mind.......are you sane?????? Obviously you have a movie playing in your head that does not conform to reality.

Also you keep refusing to answer the question....did you watch the video that shows Ahmuad attacking the younger McMichaels????

Ive watched the video. Many times. And I’ve answered your question. Many times.

Ok. You like videos. Good.



Here the evidence against the McMichaels is explained and listed. I don’t expect you have watched it. It is longer than a minute.

Each charge is explained and evidence for it is listed. For me the funniest part is not the cops listing the evidence. It isn’t the prosecutor discussing the law. It isn’t even the judge. It is the defense attorneys. All three have a different explanation why their clients should not be charged.

Roddy’s attorney says yes the McMichaels committed the crimes. But Roddy was just trying to be a good neighbor and help out. He did not realize the pursuit was criminal. Daddy’s lawyer says that his client was on the phone with police and he was trying to keep the suspect in view when Junior committed the murder.

So watch the video and let me know what crimes the McMichaels didn’t commit. You think the videos are vital. Watch them.

The state admits in that video that Ahmaud Arbary attacked the younger McMichaels....CASE CLOSED

There is no legal excuse for that assault....once the jury hears that....I see no way they can vote to convict.

The judge disagreed with you. He said there was no cause to dismiss charges. He denied bail.

Georgia Law which we have tried to explain to you says the McMichaels can not legally do what they did.

Let me explain it to you this way. Let’s say I see a man running down the road. I grab my gun and set off in pursuit. The first question I have to answer is why I set off in pursuit. What was my legal reason.

The McMichaels claim they wanted to talk to Arbury about some burglaries. But here is the rub. In Georgia I don’t have the right to do that. I don’t have the legal right unless I see a crime committed. A crime I have the legal authority to enforce.

This brings up the Winn Dixie case. If I think someone stole something from your house I can’t do anything but call 911. Not legally. You have to be the one to set off in pursuit. I have no legal authority under Citizens Arrest to even try to shout questions or shout stop at the man running down the street.

The McMichaels and Roddy hit Arbury with their trucks. They told the police this and documented the dents on the trucks as proof.

In Georgia this is attempted false imprisonment. A felony.

In the video you love so much you don’t realize it but it shows the McMichaels committing another felony.

The law in Georgia is pretty strict about weapons in public. Using a weapon in a threatening manner is aggravated assault. A felony. Before this happened the legislature was debating the law. Because under the law if I held a criminal at gunpoint I was committing aggravated assault.

Allow me to explain that. Let’s say I catch a robber in my house. I pull a gun and hold him for police. Technically I have committed aggravated assault. I am only authorized by law to have my gun out in such a situation if there is imminent threat to life. I may not be indicted for it. I may not be convicted. But the letter of the law says I committed a crime.

So back to the McMichaels. Junior standing in the street trying to stop Arbury is committing a Felony. Aggravated Assault under Georgia Law. Daddy in the back with his pistol out is also committing the same crime.

So we have three crimes. Attempted Illegal Imprisonment. Possession of a firearm during the commission of a crime. And finally aggravated assault.

All this before the first shot is fired.

You say no way for a Jury to convict. But again. This is Georgia. We know what they did is wrong. We know you don’t load up the truck with gun toting idiots and chase someone down. We know you don’t wave the bang stick around.

I live in Georgia. I’ve lived here for thirty years. My neighbors and I talked about this case. They all thought that the McMichaels were idiots, and going to spend the rest of their lives in prison. I live in Rural Georgia. Country folks. And they know what the McMichaels did was wrong and against the law.

I’m being honest here. I give the trio one chance in fifty of avoiding prison. It isn’t race. Or political. It is Georgia.

If you gun down an intruder in your house. You are not going to face any legal issue here.



That woman didn’t face a disturbing the peace charge. All we said was are you ok? A few objected. But legally Georgia said it was fine.

The same Georgians who have no issue with her have big time issues with the Brunswick Trio. Think about that.

Sounds like a corrupt or inept judge-------the dems have flooded our justice system with such judges.

Sounds to me like you think any judge who makes decisions that don't agree with the narrative you want to believe is automatically "corrupt or inept". Where did I hear that sort of attitude recently? Oh, yeah. BLM and the left. Don't you feel proud?

 

[Cecilie1200]

Serious question. The MSM has consistently reported that Arbery was jogging. Is there any evidence at all to support that claim?

No ...

Aubry was casing houses for theft.

Prove it.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

I see an unarmed man on foot, being chased by an armed man in a truck.

That's what I saw. I didn't see anyone "out for a jog".

Well, let's see . . . man in shorts and a t-shirt, running down the street . . . what is the essential element that constitutes "out for a jog" that you think is missing?

Wait, I thought you said he was "being chased by an armed man in a truck". That's different from "out for a jog".

The missing element is "being chased by an armed man in a truck".

There appears to be no evidence that Arbery was "out for a jog".

Is the argument you're going with, "He wasn't jogging, because they were chasing him, so that means it was okay for them to chase him"? Really, you want that to be your final answer?

No. I will spell it out for you and the other simpletons.

His mom and the media are the only ones who said he was "out for a jog". Both his family and the media have something to gain by having you believe that he was just a good boy, not doing anything wrong and bothering no one. Just like George Floyd's case, those lawyers were there in a heartbeat promising his folks millions in civil settlement money.

There is no evidence to support that Arbery was taking a jog from his house on Boykin Ridge Drive. He would have had to go across US 17 and down Santilla Drive. No ring doorbell videos, no garage cameras, nothing that we have seen that shows a guy go "jogging" by. When we first see Arbery in the neighbors surveillance video, he is not jogging. He is clearly walking towards the empty house. When we see him in the house, he appears to be wearing cargo shorts. How many people do you see jogging in cargo shorts? Whatever kind of shorts they were, they don't look like athletic shorts to me

Some fool on here said he was jogging in the video where he got shot. How stupid. He has already been confronted by the rednecks at that point, so he was running away and not "out for a jog".

The whole point is that YOU are being led to feel a certain way about Arbery. You havent taken time to notice that the language being used over and over again by the media is being purposely drilled into your head to "help" you reach your conclusion.

I'm not saying Arbery was doing anything wrong and I'm not saying he wasnt. But its weird that the jogging thing is being beat over our heads over and over without any evidence. If Arbery was not out jogging like everyone in the media has said, then why are we being told he was? That is what I want you all to consider. The power of the media is strong.

And now I will spell it out for YOU, Captain Kneejerk.

It really doesn't matter if he was out for a jog or not. Whatever you want to call it, it's not illegal to run down a street in the state of Georgia. Without evidence that there was something criminal involved in it - which you, despite ample opportunity, have not provided - it most certainly is not legal in the state of Georgia for private citizens to jump in their trucks with their guns and chase him simply because he was running through the neighborhood and they thought he looked like the suspect in a string of burglaries that happened weeks earlier (which is from their own statements).

There really doesn't need to be any evidence that he was jogging. The United States, last time I checked, does not require people to prove their innocence. What needs evidence is that he was doing something criminal, and as I've pointed out, you haven't provided that. You've just maundered on with aimless obsession on, "Well, we have no proof he was jogging." He was running on the street. Call it jogging or call it flying on purple gossamer wings, whatever grabs you. Just don't try to call it justification for chasing him with guns unless you have proof of something criminal.

"There's no video of him getting from his neighborhood to Satilla, and . . . and . . . he was WALKING, not jogging, when he went up to the empty house." Yeah, and?

I really don't give a fuck what some other person did or didn't say on here. Unless it was me or you who said it, it has no place in a post addressed to me, and you're cordially invited to stop wasting screen space and my time arguing at me against someone else's words because you don't have anything to offer in regards to MY post. FOCUS!

The whole point is that YOU have no argument and no evidence. YOU have led yourself to believe a certain way about Ahmaud Arbery because of the last year of bullshit and riots over "unarmed black men being shot" to the point where you automatically want to believe any story of that nature MUST be the black man's fault, and anyone who disagrees with your snap, partisan judgement must only be doing so because they're a leftist/they're blindly believing the mainstream media; any thought that YOU have, however emotional and illogical, is obviously THE conservative position, and agreeing with it is the litmus test. Fuck that. Unless you think The Daily Wire is a left-wing media outlet complicitly using special language to drill the left's narrative into my head - and by the way, as I've mentioned before, the mainstream media has largely memory-holed this whole story, which is the best proof that Arbery really was a victim - I do not wish to hear your ASSumptions about what I have and haven't noticed, and how I'm being "led" because you want to think that.

I've looked at the same evidence you have, but I parked MY emotions at the door and evaluated it strictly on the basis of THIS case and what was actually there. Whenever you'd like to stop asserting your opinions as fact and actually provide some real exculpatory evidence, you are welcome to do so. God knows, I've asked multiple times.

You must have manure for your brains. It does matter if he was out for a jog.

The whole foundation that this incident rested on is the supposed fact that Arbery was just out jogging.....minding his own business. You understand? We have been told that the reason that Arbery was on Santilla Ct. was because he was just trying to stay in shape.

You and I both know that he was not in that neighborhood because he was trying to stay physically fit. He was not fucking jogging. So since that surely appears to be false, we have to ask, why was he in that neighborhood? From there, you guys can debate all you want about whether he assaulted them or they hunted him. I dont really give a shit.

I just dont like being fucking lied to by the media in order to try to make me feel sorry for this fucking guy.

The truth is no one knows what ahmaud arbary's intent was for being in that neighborhood....and it really is not important.

However, I do agree with you that the media has spun it to make arbary appear to be completely innocent...now whether or not arbary had any evil or illegal motive to be in that neighborhood aka casing it out for a burglary is unknown...yet the media spins it to the effect that it is absolutely true he was just out jogging for fun or whatever....the problem with that spin is that Arbary whilst in the house under construction sees the neighbor come out and hears him call the police to tell them about a stranger or intruder being in the house under construction and when he hears that Arbary takes off running...guilty people usually run...I am not saying he was guilty of anything at this point as in I do not know nor do I think anyone knows for sure and certainly the media does not know for sure that he was innocent....as they portray him and they also ignore his criminal history and his mental history. It is known he had mental problems.

Yet it is also absolutely clear he was trespassing in a construction site....however I do not know the Georgia law on that.

In conclusion on this particular matter of him being in the house under construction (which is a felony in some states aka to tresspass onto a construction site) the only real relevance it has is that is what motivated the McMichaels to begin their chase as in they had been notified that someone was in the house....then in addition to that the elder McMichael sees arbary running down the road past the front of his house and as he is out in the front of his house
he recognizes Arbary from a previous security cam video that captures arbary tresspassing in the house under construction --- thus when you add the two factors together.....getting a phone call about a trespasser and then seeing and recognizing Arbary he was motivated to give chase....and justifiably so

Why are you trying so hard to spin this? If the McMichaels thought that there was a criminal around, they should have called the police. 911 calls are recorded. We will listen to their calls to 911 dispatchers. Right now, we are looking at a guy who drove behind Arbery and recording him jogging. And then two guys parked in the middle of the street heavily armed. Arbery was not carrying a gun.

Under GA law, they are allowed to make a citizens arrest instead of waiting for cops to arrive as the criminal gets away.

Post the law.

Learn to GOOGLE.....you are not a baby and more specifically you are not my baby. Maybe you should be asking your mommy to do it for you.

I went ahead and did it this time. Notice that the criminals at BLM are again focused on themselves and trying to do away with citizens stopping criminals. Maybe their stupid asses need to grow up as well.

Georgia state overhauls citizen arrest law following Ahmaud Arbery's death

Georgia overhauled a Civil War-era law Wednesday that allowed residents to arrest anyone they suspected of committing a crime - a "citizens arrest" law invoked by the defense of the three men accused of killing Ahmaud Arbery last year.

www.reuters.com

Take your own advice, idiot.

I see an unarmed man on foot, being chased by an armed man in a truck.

That's what I saw. I didn't see anyone "out for a jog".

Well, let's see . . . man in shorts and a t-shirt, running down the street . . . what is the essential element that constitutes "out for a jog" that you think is missing?

Wait, I thought you said he was "being chased by an armed man in a truck". That's different from "out for a jog".

The missing element is "being chased by an armed man in a truck".

There appears to be no evidence that Arbery was "out for a jog".

Is the argument you're going with, "He wasn't jogging, because they were chasing him, so that means it was okay for them to chase him"? Really, you want that to be your final answer?

No. I will spell it out for you and the other simpletons.

His mom and the media are the only ones who said he was "out for a jog". Both his family and the media have something to gain by having you believe that he was just a good boy, not doing anything wrong and bothering no one. Just like George Floyd's case, those lawyers were there in a heartbeat promising his folks millions in civil settlement money.

There is no evidence to support that Arbery was taking a jog from his house on Boykin Ridge Drive. He would have had to go across US 17 and down Santilla Drive. No ring doorbell videos, no garage cameras, nothing that we have seen that shows a guy go "jogging" by. When we first see Arbery in the neighbors surveillance video, he is not jogging. He is clearly walking towards the empty house. When we see him in the house, he appears to be wearing cargo shorts. How many people do you see jogging in cargo shorts? Whatever kind of shorts they were, they don't look like athletic shorts to me

Some fool on here said he was jogging in the video where he got shot. How stupid. He has already been confronted by the rednecks at that point, so he was running away and not "out for a jog".

The whole point is that YOU are being led to feel a certain way about Arbery. You havent taken time to notice that the language being used over and over again by the media is being purposely drilled into your head to "help" you reach your conclusion.

I'm not saying Arbery was doing anything wrong and I'm not saying he wasnt. But its weird that the jogging thing is being beat over our heads over and over without any evidence. If Arbery was not out jogging like everyone in the media has said, then why are we being told he was? That is what I want you all to consider. The power of the media is strong.

And now I will spell it out for YOU, Captain Kneejerk.

It really doesn't matter if he was out for a jog or not. Whatever you want to call it, it's not illegal to run down a street in the state of Georgia. Without evidence that there was something criminal involved in it - which you, despite ample opportunity, have not provided - it most certainly is not legal in the state of Georgia for private citizens to jump in their trucks with their guns and chase him simply because he was running through the neighborhood and they thought he looked like the suspect in a string of burglaries that happened weeks earlier (which is from their own statements).

There really doesn't need to be any evidence that he was jogging. The United States, last time I checked, does not require people to prove their innocence. What needs evidence is that he was doing something criminal, and as I've pointed out, you haven't provided that. You've just maundered on with aimless obsession on, "Well, we have no proof he was jogging." He was running on the street. Call it jogging or call it flying on purple gossamer wings, whatever grabs you. Just don't try to call it justification for chasing him with guns unless you have proof of something criminal.

"There's no video of him getting from his neighborhood to Satilla, and . . . and . . . he was WALKING, not jogging, when he went up to the empty house." Yeah, and?

I really don't give a fuck what some other person did or didn't say on here. Unless it was me or you who said it, it has no place in a post addressed to me, and you're cordially invited to stop wasting screen space and my time arguing at me against someone else's words because you don't have anything to offer in regards to MY post. FOCUS!

The whole point is that YOU have no argument and no evidence. YOU have led yourself to believe a certain way about Ahmaud Arbery because of the last year of bullshit and riots over "unarmed black men being shot" to the point where you automatically want to believe any story of that nature MUST be the black man's fault, and anyone who disagrees with your snap, partisan judgement must only be doing so because they're a leftist/they're blindly believing the mainstream media; any thought that YOU have, however emotional and illogical, is obviously THE conservative position, and agreeing with it is the litmus test. Fuck that. Unless you think The Daily Wire is a left-wing media outlet complicitly using special language to drill the left's narrative into my head - and by the way, as I've mentioned before, the mainstream media has largely memory-holed this whole story, which is the best proof that Arbery really was a victim - I do not wish to hear your ASSumptions about what I have and haven't noticed, and how I'm being "led" because you want to think that.

I've looked at the same evidence you have, but I parked MY emotions at the door and evaluated it strictly on the basis of THIS case and what was actually there. Whenever you'd like to stop asserting your opinions as fact and actually provide some real exculpatory evidence, you are welcome to do so. God knows, I've asked multiple times.

You must have manure for your brains. It does matter if he was out for a jog.

The whole foundation that this incident rested on is the supposed fact that Arbery was just out jogging.....minding his own business. You understand? We have been told that the reason that Arbery was on Santilla Ct. was because he was just trying to stay in shape.

You and I both know that he was not in that neighborhood because he was trying to stay physically fit. He was not fucking jogging. So since that surely appears to be false, we have to ask, why was he in that neighborhood? From there, you guys can debate all you want about whether he assaulted them or they hunted him. I dont really give a shit.

I just dont like being fucking lied to by the media in order to try to make me feel sorry for this fucking guy.

The truth is no one knows what ahmaud arbary's intent was for being in that neighborhood....and it really is not important.

However, I do agree with you that the media has spun it to make arbary appear to be completely innocent...now whether or not arbary had any evil or illegal motive to be in that neighborhood aka casing it out for a burglary is unknown...yet the media spins it to the effect that it is absolutely true he was just out jogging for fun or whatever....the problem with that spin is that Arbary whilst in the house under construction sees the neighbor come out and hears him call the police to tell them about a stranger or intruder being in the house under construction and when he hears that Arbary takes off running...guilty people usually run...I am not saying he was guilty of anything at this point as in I do not know nor do I think anyone knows for sure and certainly the media does not know for sure that he was innocent....as they portray him and they also ignore his criminal history and his mental history. It is known he had mental problems.

Yet it is also absolutely clear he was trespassing in a construction site....however I do not know the Georgia law on that.

In conclusion on this particular matter of him being in the house under construction (which is a felony in some states aka to tresspass onto a construction site) the only real relevance it has is that is what motivated the McMichaels to begin their chase as in they had been notified that someone was in the house....then in addition to that the elder McMichael sees arbary running down the road past the front of his house and as he is out in the front of his house
he recognizes Arbary from a previous security cam video that captures arbary tresspassing in the house under construction --- thus when you add the two factors together.....getting a phone call about a trespasser and then seeing and recognizing Arbary he was motivated to give chase....and justifiably so

Why are you trying so hard to spin this? If the McMichaels thought that there was a criminal around, they should have called the police. 911 calls are recorded. We will listen to their calls to 911 dispatchers. Right now, we are looking at a guy who drove behind Arbery and recording him jogging. And then two guys parked in the middle of the street heavily armed. Arbery was not carrying a gun.

Under GA law, they are allowed to make a citizens arrest instead of waiting for cops to arrive as the criminal gets away.

Post the law.

Learn to GOOGLE.....you are not a baby and more specifically you are not my baby. Maybe you should be asking your mommy to do it for you.

I went ahead and did it this time. Notice that the criminals at BLM are again focused on themselves and trying to do away with citizens stopping criminals. Maybe their stupid asses need to grow up as well.

Georgia state overhauls citizen arrest law following Ahmaud Arbery's death

Georgia overhauled a Civil War-era law Wednesday that allowed residents to arrest anyone they suspected of committing a crime - a "citizens arrest" law invoked by the defense of the three men accused of killing Ahmaud Arbery last year.

www.reuters.com

Take your own advice.

2010 Georgia Code :: TITLE 17 - CRIMINAL PROCEDURE :: CHAPTER 4 - ARREST OF PERSONS :: ARTICLE 4 - ARREST BY PRIVATE PERSONS :: § 17-4-60 - Grounds for arrest

law.justia.com

A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge.

What offense did they see him commit?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Why would you do this?

One would do this because he's a racist.

 

[PatriotJohn888]

Triggered much? You fucking liberals are just alike. You sanctimonious asshole, YOU are the one who replied to me first. You are the one who started with the smart ass insults and belligerence. Typical asshole who thinks his opinions are the only ones that matter. I bet at night when you go to bed, you feel like the king of the message boards don't ya? Loser.

If you have some evidence that Arbery was doing something other than running and minding his own business - actual EVIDENCE, not this "We both know, because I've decided it's fact" left-thinking bullshit - then bring it out. I've asked you to do so many times, and all you ever come back with is "You have manure for brains because you disagree with me, you KNOW I'm right".

You realize that you are doing exactly what you are accusing me of right? I asked if there was any evidence that Arbery was jogging and YOU felt comfortable enough to declare that my question didnt matter and then you proceeded to spout off your opinion of everything that you "decided it's fact".

I don't owe you any fucking research on the matter, I dont owe you any evidence on the subject. I posed the question wondering how the media's portrayal of Arbery and his actions that day have affected public sentiment and I don't owe you a fucking thing. My opinion won't be changed by some pansy ass king of the message board. Diamond Member - Wizard Level - I don't give a shit. Take your little triggered ass somewhere else and try to tuck in all that ego and sanctimony. It's ugly.

 

[Dana7360]

What the right winger keep failing to realize is that no one in authority cares what the right wingers think, say or want.

The right wingers are delusional to believe anyone gives a rat’s ass what those right wingers think, want or say. The right wingers believe that they actually matter to authorities.

It doesn’t and will never matter what lies, excuses or justifications the right wingers spew.

These men will be tried. Everyone has to wait for the verdict.

No one knows how this will end until the end comes so those who insist they know the outcome before it happens are full of garbage.