3 men charged with federal hate crimes in killing of Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia

[OldLady]

I sincerely hope that they are able to get a conviction and that people's eyes are finally open to what's been happening all around them, even if they were unable of it.​

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3 men charged with federal hate crimes in killing of Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia​

April 28, 2021, 2:32 PM PDT / Updated April 28, 2021, 4:08 PM PDT​

By Tim Fitzsimons​

​

Three Georgia men previously charged in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery were indicted Wednesday by a federal grand jury and charged with hate crimes and attempted kidnapping.​

Ahmaud Arbery. Courtesy of Family

​

Arbery was jogging in Brunswick, Georgia, when Travis McMichael, 35, and his father, Gregory McMichael, 65, pursued him in their truck and shot him dead on Feb. 23, 2020.​

​

William "Roddie" Bryan, 51, who was driving behind them in a separate truck, filmed the shooting.​

​

Later, Gregory McMichael, a retired police officer, leaked the video because he wanted "the public to know the truth," his attorney said in 2020.​

The Department of Justice alleged on Wednesday that the men confronted Arbery "because of his race."​

​

The incident sparked outrage and spurred an international movement to draw attention to racism against Black runners, NBC News reported.​

​

Travis and Gregory were also each charged with "carrying, and brandishing—and in Travis’s case, discharging—a firearm during and in relation to a crime of violence," the DOJ said in a press release.​

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Gregory and Travis, father and son, were previously each charged with murder in May 2020 for the death of Arbery.​

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Oh, they'll get a conviction on something. I don't know why the Feds got involved; the Georgia state police seem to have it in hand.

 

[John T. Ford]

Sorry pasty racist the LAW doesn't see him as a criminal, they see him as a murder victim which is why your 3 heroes are sitting their white, racist asses behind bars right now.

More delusional Leftist shit ....

Arbery's criminal records proves your delusions to be .... well delusions.

And, I got nothing for those assholes who shot his dumbass.

If they violated the law .... let them pay the price.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

According to the LAW he was, so what some right wing, racist asshole thinks doesn't matter in this case.

You can post whatever nonsense you like.

However we all know .... including you .... that Arbery ..... just like the rest of them ... was just another criminal.

Sorry pasty racist the LAW doesn't see him as a criminal, they see him as a murder victim which is why your 3 heroes are sitting their white, racist asses behind bars right now.

You are confused....it's not the law but politicians who believe that......the law is blind.

The Law has NEVER been blind and the Law sees Arbery as a murder victim and your 3 heroes as murderers.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

What crime did he commit on the day?

Trespassing.

Ok. You understand that under Georgia Law he wasn’t actually trespassing. The police could not have arrested him for that. For that the owner or a designated representative would have to have told him to leave.

Further. The McMichaels had no authority to enforce that. So now according to you the attempt to arrest Arbury was criminal and they are murderers.

There was no attempt to arrest Ahmaud....you are a liar and you keep repeating the lie.

The McMichaels say they were. Are they lying too? Their lawyers say that the citizens arrest law is the centerpiece of their defense. Are the defense attorneys lying too?

Georgia to Weaken Citizen’s Arrest Law Cited in Ahmaud Arbery’s Death (Published 2021)

The governor supports a bill passed on Wednesday that repeals language allowing people to arrest someone who they witnessed committing a crime.

www.nytimes.com

I posted that before. Shame you didn’t read it.

The McMichaels said that when they headed out..they intended to make a citizens arrest....but no attempt to arrest was made.

The new law is not applicable to the McMicharls as it was enacted after the incident and their arrest....it is just another example of how this nation is being torn apart by wokeness.

I have no idea what the defense team is doing.

Rocker Johnny Rotten: 'Wokeness' Pushed by 'Children Coming Out of Colleges With Sh*t for Brains'

Sex Pistols frontman Johnny Rotten says "wokeness" is a divisive political weapon being wielded by privileged, "tempestuous, spoilt children," whom the media offer a platform to push their unpopular politically correct opinions.

www.breitbart.com

What crime did they see him commit?

If it was known he committed a crime they would have arrested him....but since he was just a person of interest.....they followed him and caled 911

No they chased him and murdered him, I know you have to put the racist spin to it.

 

[woodwork201]

I'm totally against any hate crime laws and especially Federal hate crime laws. They violate the Constitution in many ways. On the other hand, the state charges are valid and the three men need to be in prison. You don't get to take the law into your own hands except in very limited circumstances. Casing a house and trespassing are not two of those circumstances.

Doesn't matter that Aubrey attacked their gun; Aubrey was acting in self defense because the men were not legally justified in pointing their guns at him. They were brandishing.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Sorry pasty racist the LAW doesn't see him as a criminal, they see him as a murder victim which is why your 3 heroes are sitting their white, racist asses behind bars right now.

More delusional Leftist shit ....

Arbery's criminal records proves your delusions to be .... well delusions.

And, I got nothing for those assholes who shot his dumbass.

If they violated the law .... let them pay the price.

So why are your pasty, racist buddies sitting in jail with no bail?

 

[TheGreenHornet]

I think the main thing we can learn from this is that, if you have a construction site near a certain demographic makeup, you need to either hire security or have a secure fence around it. Otherwise, "joggers" may decide to borrow a few things.

I think too much attention is being given to the trespassing aspect of this case....though it is what got the McMicharls involved as in Gregory McMichals a former policeman and investigator had been deputized to handle such problems in the neighborhood since he lived there and stuff had been stolen from his son's truck.

The critical part of this case to me and though I have never practiced law(I did go to Law School in Atlanta) is the way Ahmaud Arbary brazenly attacked Travis McMichael even though he was holding a shotgun.

Some ask would anyone sane do such a thing?

Well we could all conjecture about that...but it is on record that Ahmaud had mental problems and a persecution complex which can be seen in the various videos of his previous encounters with the police.....the enhanced glorious photo of ahmaud circulated by the media does not show the real Amaud....a convicted thief.

This much is certain -- if Ahmaud was white, we'd never have heard of him, and no one would care that he got shot.

The story just has the right racial optics to manipulate the masses.

No if Ahmaud were white they would have never bothered him in the first place, notice that they didn't chase any of the white trespassers on the property. Why is that?

They chased Ahmaud for 2 reasons....Gregory McMichales got a call that there was a trespasser in the housr being built whilst he was out in front yard working on his boat and immediately after the call he sees Ahmaud hauling ass down the street...he recognized him from the security cam video and had dealt with him back when he was a cop and thus knew of his criminal history.....that is why they grabbed their guns.

Thus that is why you are full of shit. Did Gregory McMichaels witness Ahmaud committing a crime?

When did he see security cam video of him and who did he receive it from?

So in a split instance he remembered him from years ago, only a fool would buy that weak ass defense.

unlike low I.Q. Africans whites usually have good memories.

All the material on the security cams has been documented and some of them posted on here that showed Ahmaud wandering around the house in the middle of the night looking like he was in a trance......very bizzare....probably doped up or maybe that is the way people with mental issues look. BTW none of them show him drinking water.

I have heard it said some negroes like to go on white peoples property and masturbate.....dont know if that is true....did you ever do anything like that?

Jimi Hendrix the famous black guitarist was kicked out of the Army for masturbating in public.

 

[woodwork201]

This is a farce by the "moderate" Merrick Garland.

That's a true statement. Expect to see every possible race crime prosecuted as a Federal hate crime to build and increase the division in preparation for the complete socialization of the United Socialist States of America.

 

[John T. Ford]

No they chased him and murdered him, I know you have to put the racist spin to it.

LMAO @ racist spin ...

You are so far removed from reality that it is entertaining.

 

[John T. Ford]

So why are your pasty, racist buddies sitting in jail with no bail?

I would say because at the moment they are political prisoners.

When the actual evidence comes out .... it should show that these men acted lawfully .... or did not.

Either way .... I could care less .....

Arbery was a criminal who attacked a man with a shotgun ....

Earned himself a Darwin Award in the process .....

Good damn riddance to these criminals ...

And, if the McMichaels acted unlawfully ....

Good damn riddance to them as well.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

I think the main thing we can learn from this is that, if you have a construction site near a certain demographic makeup, you need to either hire security or have a secure fence around it. Otherwise, "joggers" may decide to borrow a few things.

I think too much attention is being given to the trespassing aspect of this case....though it is what got the McMicharls involved as in Gregory McMichals a former policeman and investigator had been deputized to handle such problems in the neighborhood since he lived there and stuff had been stolen from his son's truck.

The critical part of this case to me and though I have never practiced law(I did go to Law School in Atlanta) is the way Ahmaud Arbary brazenly attacked Travis McMichael even though he was holding a shotgun.

Some ask would anyone sane do such a thing?

Well we could all conjecture about that...but it is on record that Ahmaud had mental problems and a persecution complex which can be seen in the various videos of his previous encounters with the police.....the enhanced glorious photo of ahmaud circulated by the media does not show the real Amaud....a convicted thief.

This much is certain -- if Ahmaud was white, we'd never have heard of him, and no one would care that he got shot.

The story just has the right racial optics to manipulate the masses.

No if Ahmaud were white they would have never bothered him in the first place, notice that they didn't chase any of the white trespassers on the property. Why is that?

They chased Ahmaud for 2 reasons....Gregory McMichales got a call that there was a trespasser in the housr being built whilst he was out in front yard working on his boat and immediately after the call he sees Ahmaud hauling ass down the street...he recognized him from the security cam video and had dealt with him back when he was a cop and thus knew of his criminal history.....that is why they grabbed their guns.

Thus that is why you are full of shit. Did Gregory McMichaels witness Ahmaud committing a crime?

When did he see security cam video of him and who did he receive it from?

So in a split instance he remembered him from years ago, only a fool would buy that weak ass defense.

unlike low I.Q. Africans whites usually have good memories.

All the material on the security cams has been documented and some of them posted on here that showed Ahmaud wandering around the house in the middle of the night looking like he was in a trance......very bizzare....probably doped up or maybe that is the way people with mental issues look. BTW none of them show him drinking water.

I have heard it said some negroes like to go on white peoples property and masturbate.....dont know if that is true....did you ever do anything like that?

Jimi Hendrix the famous black guitarist was kicked out of the Army for masturbating in public.

Funny how you never mention the white folks on those security cameras that were trespassing, why is that Green Hornet? If they are white it is not trespassing, right? What was the white couple doing on his property after dark?

 

[Superbadbrutha]

No they chased him and murdered him, I know you have to put the racist spin to it.

LMAO @ racist spin ...

You are so far removed from reality that it is entertaining.

Tell us Ford if your heroes are innocent why are they sitting in jail with no bail?

 

[John T. Ford]

Tell us Ford if your heroes are innocent why are they sitting in jail with no bail?

I already did in comment #490

And, they aren't my heros.

They are your pink unicorms that live rent free in your head.

 

[SavannahMann]

I sincerely hope that they are able to get a conviction and that people's eyes are finally open to what's been happening all around them, even if they were unable of it.​

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3 men charged with federal hate crimes in killing of Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia​

April 28, 2021, 2:32 PM PDT / Updated April 28, 2021, 4:08 PM PDT​

By Tim Fitzsimons​

​

Three Georgia men previously charged in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery were indicted Wednesday by a federal grand jury and charged with hate crimes and attempted kidnapping.​

Ahmaud Arbery. Courtesy of Family

​

Arbery was jogging in Brunswick, Georgia, when Travis McMichael, 35, and his father, Gregory McMichael, 65, pursued him in their truck and shot him dead on Feb. 23, 2020.​

​

William "Roddie" Bryan, 51, who was driving behind them in a separate truck, filmed the shooting.​

​

Later, Gregory McMichael, a retired police officer, leaked the video because he wanted "the public to know the truth," his attorney said in 2020.​

The Department of Justice alleged on Wednesday that the men confronted Arbery "because of his race."​

​

The incident sparked outrage and spurred an international movement to draw attention to racism against Black runners, NBC News reported.​

​

Travis and Gregory were also each charged with "carrying, and brandishing—and in Travis’s case, discharging—a firearm during and in relation to a crime of violence," the DOJ said in a press release.​

​

Gregory and Travis, father and son, were previously each charged with murder in May 2020 for the death of Arbery.​

​

So now it’s a “hate crime” to confront thieves in your neighborhood. It’s a “hate crime” to defend yourself when they attack you and try to take your gun away.

If these men were police, they would had been 100% justified in shooting him. And there is no reason a citizen can’t make a citizens arrest when catching a criminal in the act.

We’ve seen the video evidence, we know he was guilty.

Oh good. We are starting this again. Ok. What crime was Arbury committing at the time the McMichaels chased him, confronted him, and killed him?

They saw him trespassing on that property. They also recognized him from before, he had been in the neighborhood and stole shit out of cars before.

He attacked the man with the shotgun, tried to take it from him, got blasted.

Nobody ever saw him stealing anything. There is no video of him stealing from the construction site. I repeat. What crime did he commit on the day?

Assault which is the essential element of this case.

Actually no. You might wish it was. But the reason for the pursuit is the root of the case. The McMichaels maintain they were trying to effect a citizens arrest. Since no crime took place that means the pursuit and effort to detain Arbury was criminal.

In Georgia when criminals pursue you we have stand your ground. It means Arbury’s actions under law were defensive. It also means the McMichaels committed murder.

No.....the Senior McMicharls had been designated as the go to guy for the problems with burglaries and trespassing in that neighborhood as he was a former policeman and investigator.

Chasing someone is not a crime......trying to talk to someone is not a crime....telling someone to stop is not an arrest....you remain coinfused.

I am actually thrilled that you are not their lawyer. Because if you were the appeal about your incompetence during the trial would guarantee them another one. This way they have a competent defense. One with a low probability of success. But a chance.

McMichaels claimed it on the day during interviews with police. His lawyer asked Dial the GBI investigator about it on the hearing I posted in this thread.

But you being right is not about truth or facts. It is about your short attention span and ignorance. You won’t read the links. You won’t watch the videos. I could post more but you have not read one yet.

The McMichaels are almost certainly going to be convicted. If convicted they will get 20 to life in prison. For Daddy that is life. Roddy might get out as an old man. Travis will never leave Prison alive.

Honestly the one with the best chance to avoid prison is Roddy. And his chances are not good. Say ten percent. The Jury might buy his argument that he was trying to help neighbors who he thought were in the right. Maybe. As I said. One chance in ten.

You of course being ignorant of the law, the facts, or anything will blame it on Liberals and all that.

You let your bias delude you.....your understanding of law is thus compromised.

Well a Defense attorney says so.

Another attorney. He says no too.



Odd isn’t it. All the actual legal people seem to be who I am quoting and you are quoting. Yourself and other right wing radicals. Not actual lawyers. You know. Who know the law. And make their living with the law. Ah. What do they know.

I repeat. I am happy the McMichaels are not represented by you. Your understanding of the law would get them the death penalty.

I wish he was representing them.

I love the Constitution so much I want them to have a competent and vigorous defense. Even though I believe they are murdering idiots I want every conviction no matter who the defendant is to be hard won. I want every defendant to have the best defense possible.

You said you watched the video of Ahmaud getting kilt........could you give us your take on it?

Are you black?

Oh For Fucks Sake.

Yes I saw the video. And as I already said the video showed them doing everything I was told not to do.

I started to read. News articles. Reports of court filings. I watched the hearing. I gathered information. And you know what? My initial impression was confirmed by the charges handed down by the Grand Jury. The blithering idiots did everything they were not supposed to do.

As more of the story and sequence of events came down it was confirmed. Then I spent some time considering why these two morons would do this?

Part of my training in the Army was to estimate what people would do. Enemy soldiers, but people. My Sergeants taught me and they stressed that people react according to their nature. You go with what you know. And what you believe.

It clicked. My estimation about what happened. When it was reported that they used derogatory words to describe Arbury online and in discussions with Roddy. I would guess that they felt about Blacks as you do. Generally speaking.

My Father and Mother worked with people from every imaginable background. During parties and such there were always what would be called Minorities around. I never heard my parents speak ill of a race. I was taught to treat every adult as someone important. Yes sir. No sir. All that sort of thing.

I had black, brown, and white friends growing up. My Confirmation Sponsor is a Hispanic man who is a first generation American. I hold him in the greatest esteem. A finer man I have rarely made the acquaintance of.

My focus is always the truth. And the first truth is that anyone who claims to be able to judge a people based upon skin color is a fool. Anyone who claims science backs up such nonsense is heir to the throne of the kingdom of fools.

You see a Black Man. I see a man. You see a race of criminals. I see people. You claim an advantage of IQ. I doubt you are smarter than most minorities. I doubt you are as smart as most to be honest.

It is said that you should be careful of what you hate. You become that which you hate. You become it.

I don’t hate you or any one. I would avoid associating myself with you as your outlook is intolerably offensive to good sense and logic.

And my IQ is 135. I maxed out several sections of the ASVAB and qualified for Nuclear Power if I had joined the Navy instead of the Army.

Color does not matter. And using another’s hate to justify your own is childish and petty. I was taught better than that.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Tell us Ford if your heroes are innocent why are they sitting in jail with no bail?

Seem to be criminals. Where do all the atheist-bashing moralists run off to whenever the hardcore racists begin rampaging and cross burning as they've been doing here?

 

[TheGreenHornet]

I sincerely hope that they are able to get a conviction and that people's eyes are finally open to what's been happening all around them, even if they were unable of it.​

​

3 men charged with federal hate crimes in killing of Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia​

April 28, 2021, 2:32 PM PDT / Updated April 28, 2021, 4:08 PM PDT​

By Tim Fitzsimons​

​

Three Georgia men previously charged in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery were indicted Wednesday by a federal grand jury and charged with hate crimes and attempted kidnapping.​

Ahmaud Arbery. Courtesy of Family

​

Arbery was jogging in Brunswick, Georgia, when Travis McMichael, 35, and his father, Gregory McMichael, 65, pursued him in their truck and shot him dead on Feb. 23, 2020.​

​

William "Roddie" Bryan, 51, who was driving behind them in a separate truck, filmed the shooting.​

​

Later, Gregory McMichael, a retired police officer, leaked the video because he wanted "the public to know the truth," his attorney said in 2020.​

The Department of Justice alleged on Wednesday that the men confronted Arbery "because of his race."​

​

The incident sparked outrage and spurred an international movement to draw attention to racism against Black runners, NBC News reported.​

​

Travis and Gregory were also each charged with "carrying, and brandishing—and in Travis’s case, discharging—a firearm during and in relation to a crime of violence," the DOJ said in a press release.​

​

Gregory and Travis, father and son, were previously each charged with murder in May 2020 for the death of Arbery.​

​

So now it’s a “hate crime” to confront thieves in your neighborhood. It’s a “hate crime” to defend yourself when they attack you and try to take your gun away.

If these men were police, they would had been 100% justified in shooting him. And there is no reason a citizen can’t make a citizens arrest when catching a criminal in the act.

We’ve seen the video evidence, we know he was guilty.

Oh good. We are starting this again. Ok. What crime was Arbury committing at the time the McMichaels chased him, confronted him, and killed him?

They saw him trespassing on that property. They also recognized him from before, he had been in the neighborhood and stole shit out of cars before.

He attacked the man with the shotgun, tried to take it from him, got blasted.

Nobody ever saw him stealing anything. There is no video of him stealing from the construction site. I repeat. What crime did he commit on the day?

Assault which is the essential element of this case.

Actually no. You might wish it was. But the reason for the pursuit is the root of the case. The McMichaels maintain they were trying to effect a citizens arrest. Since no crime took place that means the pursuit and effort to detain Arbury was criminal.

In Georgia when criminals pursue you we have stand your ground. It means Arbury’s actions under law were defensive. It also means the McMichaels committed murder.

No.....the Senior McMicharls had been designated as the go to guy for the problems with burglaries and trespassing in that neighborhood as he was a former policeman and investigator.

Chasing someone is not a crime......trying to talk to someone is not a crime....telling someone to stop is not an arrest....you remain coinfused.

I am actually thrilled that you are not their lawyer. Because if you were the appeal about your incompetence during the trial would guarantee them another one. This way they have a competent defense. One with a low probability of success. But a chance.

McMichaels claimed it on the day during interviews with police. His lawyer asked Dial the GBI investigator about it on the hearing I posted in this thread.

But you being right is not about truth or facts. It is about your short attention span and ignorance. You won’t read the links. You won’t watch the videos. I could post more but you have not read one yet.

The McMichaels are almost certainly going to be convicted. If convicted they will get 20 to life in prison. For Daddy that is life. Roddy might get out as an old man. Travis will never leave Prison alive.

Honestly the one with the best chance to avoid prison is Roddy. And his chances are not good. Say ten percent. The Jury might buy his argument that he was trying to help neighbors who he thought were in the right. Maybe. As I said. One chance in ten.

You of course being ignorant of the law, the facts, or anything will blame it on Liberals and all that.

You let your bias delude you.....your understanding of law is thus compromised.

Well a Defense attorney says so.

Another attorney. He says no too.



Odd isn’t it. All the actual legal people seem to be who I am quoting and you are quoting. Yourself and other right wing radicals. Not actual lawyers. You know. Who know the law. And make their living with the law. Ah. What do they know.

I repeat. I am happy the McMichaels are not represented by you. Your understanding of the law would get them the death penalty.

I wish he was representing them.

I love the Constitution so much I want them to have a competent and vigorous defense. Even though I believe they are murdering idiots I want every conviction no matter who the defendant is to be hard won. I want every defendant to have the best defense possible.

You said you watched the video of Ahmaud getting kilt........could you give us your take on it?

Are you black?

Oh For Fucks Sake.

Yes I saw the video. And as I already said the video showed them doing everything I was told not to do.

I started to read. News articles. Reports of court filings. I watched the hearing. I gathered information. And you know what? My initial impression was confirmed by the charges handed down by the Grand Jury. The blithering idiots did everything they were not supposed to do.

As more of the story and sequence of events came down it was confirmed. Then I spent some time considering why these two morons would do this?

Part of my training in the Army was to estimate what people would do. Enemy soldiers, but people. My Sergeants taught me and they stressed that people react according to their nature. You go with what you know. And what you believe.

It clicked. My estimation about what happened. When it was reported that they used derogatory words to describe Arbury online and in discussions with Roddy. I would guess that they felt about Blacks as you do. Generally speaking.

My Father and Mother worked with people from every imaginable background. During parties and such there were always what would be called Minorities around. I never heard my parents speak ill of a race. I was taught to treat every adult as someone important. Yes sir. No sir. All that sort of thing.

I had black, brown, and white friends growing up. My Confirmation Sponsor is a Hispanic man who is a first generation American. I hold him in the greatest esteem. A finer man I have rarely made the acquaintance of.

My focus is always the truth. And the first truth is that anyone who claims to be able to judge a people based upon skin color is a fool. Anyone who claims science backs up such nonsense is heir to the throne of the kingdom of fools.

You see a Black Man. I see a man. You see a race of criminals. I see people. You claim an advantage of IQ. I doubt you are smarter than most minorities. I doubt you are as smart as most to be honest.

It is said that you should be careful of what you hate. You become that which you hate. You become it.

I don’t hate you or any one. I would avoid associating myself with you as your outlook is intolerably offensive to good sense and logic.

And my IQ is 135. I maxed out several sections of the ASVAB and qualified for Nuclear Power if I had joined the Navy instead of the Army.

Color does not matter. And using another’s hate to justify your own is childish and petty. I was taught better than that.

All of that and you still could not properly analyze a video that was not complicated at all....BTW regarding racial slurs...few living people that have never done that and blacks moreso than anyone.......you claim not to be biased yet it definitely appears you are biased against whites......lot of yankees in Georgia now....especially from New Yawk....I say that to say this......you sound like either a black or a Damn Yankee.

But you could just be the product of a public school indoctrination.....very sad.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I sincerely hope that they are able to get a conviction and that people's eyes are finally open to what's been happening all around them, even if they were unable of it.​

​

3 men charged with federal hate crimes in killing of Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia​

April 28, 2021, 2:32 PM PDT / Updated April 28, 2021, 4:08 PM PDT​

By Tim Fitzsimons​

​

Three Georgia men previously charged in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery were indicted Wednesday by a federal grand jury and charged with hate crimes and attempted kidnapping.​

Ahmaud Arbery. Courtesy of Family

​

Arbery was jogging in Brunswick, Georgia, when Travis McMichael, 35, and his father, Gregory McMichael, 65, pursued him in their truck and shot him dead on Feb. 23, 2020.​

​

William "Roddie" Bryan, 51, who was driving behind them in a separate truck, filmed the shooting.​

​

Later, Gregory McMichael, a retired police officer, leaked the video because he wanted "the public to know the truth," his attorney said in 2020.​

The Department of Justice alleged on Wednesday that the men confronted Arbery "because of his race."​

​

The incident sparked outrage and spurred an international movement to draw attention to racism against Black runners, NBC News reported.​

​

Travis and Gregory were also each charged with "carrying, and brandishing—and in Travis’s case, discharging—a firearm during and in relation to a crime of violence," the DOJ said in a press release.​

​

Gregory and Travis, father and son, were previously each charged with murder in May 2020 for the death of Arbery.​

​

So now it’s a “hate crime” to confront thieves in your neighborhood. It’s a “hate crime” to defend yourself when they attack you and try to take your gun away.

If these men were police, they would had been 100% justified in shooting him. And there is no reason a citizen can’t make a citizens arrest when catching a criminal in the act.

We’ve seen the video evidence, we know he was guilty.

Oh good. We are starting this again. Ok. What crime was Arbury committing at the time the McMichaels chased him, confronted him, and killed him?

They saw him trespassing on that property. They also recognized him from before, he had been in the neighborhood and stole shit out of cars before.

He attacked the man with the shotgun, tried to take it from him, got blasted.

Nobody ever saw him stealing anything. There is no video of him stealing from the construction site. I repeat. What crime did he commit on the day?

Assault which is the essential element of this case.

Actually no. You might wish it was. But the reason for the pursuit is the root of the case. The McMichaels maintain they were trying to effect a citizens arrest. Since no crime took place that means the pursuit and effort to detain Arbury was criminal.

In Georgia when criminals pursue you we have stand your ground. It means Arbury’s actions under law were defensive. It also means the McMichaels committed murder.

No.....the Senior McMicharls had been designated as the go to guy for the problems with burglaries and trespassing in that neighborhood as he was a former policeman and investigator.

Chasing someone is not a crime......trying to talk to someone is not a crime....telling someone to stop is not an arrest....you remain coinfused.

I am actually thrilled that you are not their lawyer. Because if you were the appeal about your incompetence during the trial would guarantee them another one. This way they have a competent defense. One with a low probability of success. But a chance.

McMichaels claimed it on the day during interviews with police. His lawyer asked Dial the GBI investigator about it on the hearing I posted in this thread.

But you being right is not about truth or facts. It is about your short attention span and ignorance. You won’t read the links. You won’t watch the videos. I could post more but you have not read one yet.

The McMichaels are almost certainly going to be convicted. If convicted they will get 20 to life in prison. For Daddy that is life. Roddy might get out as an old man. Travis will never leave Prison alive.

Honestly the one with the best chance to avoid prison is Roddy. And his chances are not good. Say ten percent. The Jury might buy his argument that he was trying to help neighbors who he thought were in the right. Maybe. As I said. One chance in ten.

You of course being ignorant of the law, the facts, or anything will blame it on Liberals and all that.

You let your bias delude you.....your understanding of law is thus compromised.

Well a Defense attorney says so.

Another attorney. He says no too.



Odd isn’t it. All the actual legal people seem to be who I am quoting and you are quoting. Yourself and other right wing radicals. Not actual lawyers. You know. Who know the law. And make their living with the law. Ah. What do they know.

I repeat. I am happy the McMichaels are not represented by you. Your understanding of the law would get them the death penalty.

I wish he was representing them.

I love the Constitution so much I want them to have a competent and vigorous defense. Even though I believe they are murdering idiots I want every conviction no matter who the defendant is to be hard won. I want every defendant to have the best defense possible.

You said you watched the video of Ahmaud getting kilt........could you give us your take on it?

Are you black?

Oh For Fucks Sake.

Yes I saw the video. And as I already said the video showed them doing everything I was told not to do.

I started to read. News articles. Reports of court filings. I watched the hearing. I gathered information. And you know what? My initial impression was confirmed by the charges handed down by the Grand Jury. The blithering idiots did everything they were not supposed to do.

As more of the story and sequence of events came down it was confirmed. Then I spent some time considering why these two morons would do this?

Part of my training in the Army was to estimate what people would do. Enemy soldiers, but people. My Sergeants taught me and they stressed that people react according to their nature. You go with what you know. And what you believe.

It clicked. My estimation about what happened. When it was reported that they used derogatory words to describe Arbury online and in discussions with Roddy. I would guess that they felt about Blacks as you do. Generally speaking.

My Father and Mother worked with people from every imaginable background. During parties and such there were always what would be called Minorities around. I never heard my parents speak ill of a race. I was taught to treat every adult as someone important. Yes sir. No sir. All that sort of thing.

I had black, brown, and white friends growing up. My Confirmation Sponsor is a Hispanic man who is a first generation American. I hold him in the greatest esteem. A finer man I have rarely made the acquaintance of.

My focus is always the truth. And the first truth is that anyone who claims to be able to judge a people based upon skin color is a fool. Anyone who claims science backs up such nonsense is heir to the throne of the kingdom of fools.

You see a Black Man. I see a man. You see a race of criminals. I see people. You claim an advantage of IQ. I doubt you are smarter than most minorities. I doubt you are as smart as most to be honest.

It is said that you should be careful of what you hate. You become that which you hate. You become it.

I don’t hate you or any one. I would avoid associating myself with you as your outlook is intolerably offensive to good sense and logic.

And my IQ is 135. I maxed out several sections of the ASVAB and qualified for Nuclear Power if I had joined the Navy instead of the Army.

Color does not matter. And using another’s hate to justify your own is childish and petty. I was taught better than that.

All of that and you still could not properly analyze a video that was not complicated at all....BTW regarding racial slurs...few living people that have never done that and blacks moreso than anyone.......you claim not to be biased yet it definitely appears you are biased against whites......lot of yankees in Georgia now....especially from New Yawk....I say that to say this......you sound like either a black or a Damn Yankee.

But you could just be the product of a public school indoctrination.....very sad.

Is there anyone white racists don't hate?

 

[SavannahMann]

I sincerely hope that they are able to get a conviction and that people's eyes are finally open to what's been happening all around them, even if they were unable of it.​

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3 men charged with federal hate crimes in killing of Ahmaud Arbery in Georgia​

April 28, 2021, 2:32 PM PDT / Updated April 28, 2021, 4:08 PM PDT​

By Tim Fitzsimons​

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Three Georgia men previously charged in the killing of Ahmaud Arbery were indicted Wednesday by a federal grand jury and charged with hate crimes and attempted kidnapping.​

Ahmaud Arbery. Courtesy of Family

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Arbery was jogging in Brunswick, Georgia, when Travis McMichael, 35, and his father, Gregory McMichael, 65, pursued him in their truck and shot him dead on Feb. 23, 2020.​

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William "Roddie" Bryan, 51, who was driving behind them in a separate truck, filmed the shooting.​

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Later, Gregory McMichael, a retired police officer, leaked the video because he wanted "the public to know the truth," his attorney said in 2020.​

The Department of Justice alleged on Wednesday that the men confronted Arbery "because of his race."​

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The incident sparked outrage and spurred an international movement to draw attention to racism against Black runners, NBC News reported.​

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Travis and Gregory were also each charged with "carrying, and brandishing—and in Travis’s case, discharging—a firearm during and in relation to a crime of violence," the DOJ said in a press release.​

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Gregory and Travis, father and son, were previously each charged with murder in May 2020 for the death of Arbery.​

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So now it’s a “hate crime” to confront thieves in your neighborhood. It’s a “hate crime” to defend yourself when they attack you and try to take your gun away.

If these men were police, they would had been 100% justified in shooting him. And there is no reason a citizen can’t make a citizens arrest when catching a criminal in the act.

We’ve seen the video evidence, we know he was guilty.

Oh good. We are starting this again. Ok. What crime was Arbury committing at the time the McMichaels chased him, confronted him, and killed him?

They saw him trespassing on that property. They also recognized him from before, he had been in the neighborhood and stole shit out of cars before.

He attacked the man with the shotgun, tried to take it from him, got blasted.

Nobody ever saw him stealing anything. There is no video of him stealing from the construction site. I repeat. What crime did he commit on the day?

Assault which is the essential element of this case.

Actually no. You might wish it was. But the reason for the pursuit is the root of the case. The McMichaels maintain they were trying to effect a citizens arrest. Since no crime took place that means the pursuit and effort to detain Arbury was criminal.

In Georgia when criminals pursue you we have stand your ground. It means Arbury’s actions under law were defensive. It also means the McMichaels committed murder.

No.....the Senior McMicharls had been designated as the go to guy for the problems with burglaries and trespassing in that neighborhood as he was a former policeman and investigator.

Chasing someone is not a crime......trying to talk to someone is not a crime....telling someone to stop is not an arrest....you remain coinfused.

I am actually thrilled that you are not their lawyer. Because if you were the appeal about your incompetence during the trial would guarantee them another one. This way they have a competent defense. One with a low probability of success. But a chance.

McMichaels claimed it on the day during interviews with police. His lawyer asked Dial the GBI investigator about it on the hearing I posted in this thread.

But you being right is not about truth or facts. It is about your short attention span and ignorance. You won’t read the links. You won’t watch the videos. I could post more but you have not read one yet.

The McMichaels are almost certainly going to be convicted. If convicted they will get 20 to life in prison. For Daddy that is life. Roddy might get out as an old man. Travis will never leave Prison alive.

Honestly the one with the best chance to avoid prison is Roddy. And his chances are not good. Say ten percent. The Jury might buy his argument that he was trying to help neighbors who he thought were in the right. Maybe. As I said. One chance in ten.

You of course being ignorant of the law, the facts, or anything will blame it on Liberals and all that.

You let your bias delude you.....your understanding of law is thus compromised.

Well a Defense attorney says so.

Another attorney. He says no too.



Odd isn’t it. All the actual legal people seem to be who I am quoting and you are quoting. Yourself and other right wing radicals. Not actual lawyers. You know. Who know the law. And make their living with the law. Ah. What do they know.

I repeat. I am happy the McMichaels are not represented by you. Your understanding of the law would get them the death penalty.

I wish he was representing them.

I love the Constitution so much I want them to have a competent and vigorous defense. Even though I believe they are murdering idiots I want every conviction no matter who the defendant is to be hard won. I want every defendant to have the best defense possible.

You said you watched the video of Ahmaud getting kilt........could you give us your take on it?

Are you black?

Oh For Fucks Sake.

Yes I saw the video. And as I already said the video showed them doing everything I was told not to do.

I started to read. News articles. Reports of court filings. I watched the hearing. I gathered information. And you know what? My initial impression was confirmed by the charges handed down by the Grand Jury. The blithering idiots did everything they were not supposed to do.

As more of the story and sequence of events came down it was confirmed. Then I spent some time considering why these two morons would do this?

Part of my training in the Army was to estimate what people would do. Enemy soldiers, but people. My Sergeants taught me and they stressed that people react according to their nature. You go with what you know. And what you believe.

It clicked. My estimation about what happened. When it was reported that they used derogatory words to describe Arbury online and in discussions with Roddy. I would guess that they felt about Blacks as you do. Generally speaking.

My Father and Mother worked with people from every imaginable background. During parties and such there were always what would be called Minorities around. I never heard my parents speak ill of a race. I was taught to treat every adult as someone important. Yes sir. No sir. All that sort of thing.

I had black, brown, and white friends growing up. My Confirmation Sponsor is a Hispanic man who is a first generation American. I hold him in the greatest esteem. A finer man I have rarely made the acquaintance of.

My focus is always the truth. And the first truth is that anyone who claims to be able to judge a people based upon skin color is a fool. Anyone who claims science backs up such nonsense is heir to the throne of the kingdom of fools.

You see a Black Man. I see a man. You see a race of criminals. I see people. You claim an advantage of IQ. I doubt you are smarter than most minorities. I doubt you are as smart as most to be honest.

It is said that you should be careful of what you hate. You become that which you hate. You become it.

I don’t hate you or any one. I would avoid associating myself with you as your outlook is intolerably offensive to good sense and logic.

And my IQ is 135. I maxed out several sections of the ASVAB and qualified for Nuclear Power if I had joined the Navy instead of the Army.

Color does not matter. And using another’s hate to justify your own is childish and petty. I was taught better than that.

All of that and you still could not properly analyze a video that was not complicated at all....BTW regarding racial slurs...few living people that have never done that and blacks moreso than anyone.......you claim not to be biased yet it definitely appears you are biased against whites......lot of yankees in Georgia now....especially from New Yawk....I say that to say this......you sound like either a black or a Damn Yankee.

But you could just be the product of a public school indoctrination.....very sad.

The video shows clearly two people waiting to do some harm to a man running. The man is being pursued by another unknown number of thugs.

 

[TheGreenHornet]

I think the main thing we can learn from this is that, if you have a construction site near a certain demographic makeup, you need to either hire security or have a secure fence around it. Otherwise, "joggers" may decide to borrow a few things.

I think too much attention is being given to the trespassing aspect of this case....though it is what got the McMicharls involved as in Gregory McMichals a former policeman and investigator had been deputized to handle such problems in the neighborhood since he lived there and stuff had been stolen from his son's truck.

The critical part of this case to me and though I have never practiced law(I did go to Law School in Atlanta) is the way Ahmaud Arbary brazenly attacked Travis McMichael even though he was holding a shotgun.

Some ask would anyone sane do such a thing?

Well we could all conjecture about that...but it is on record that Ahmaud had mental problems and a persecution complex which can be seen in the various videos of his previous encounters with the police.....the enhanced glorious photo of ahmaud circulated by the media does not show the real Amaud....a convicted thief.

This much is certain -- if Ahmaud was white, we'd never have heard of him, and no one would care that he got shot.

The story just has the right racial optics to manipulate the masses.

No if Ahmaud were white they would have never bothered him in the first place, notice that they didn't chase any of the white trespassers on the property. Why is that?

They chased Ahmaud for 2 reasons....Gregory McMichales got a call that there was a trespasser in the housr being built whilst he was out in front yard working on his boat and immediately after the call he sees Ahmaud hauling ass down the street...he recognized him from the security cam video and had dealt with him back when he was a cop and thus knew of his criminal history.....that is why they grabbed their guns.

Thus that is why you are full of shit. Did Gregory McMichaels witness Ahmaud committing a crime?

When did he see security cam video of him and who did he receive it from?

So in a split instance he remembered him from years ago, only a fool would buy that weak ass defense.

unlike low I.Q. Africans whites usually have good memories.

All the material on the security cams has been documented and some of them posted on here that showed Ahmaud wandering around the house in the middle of the night looking like he was in a trance......very bizzare....probably doped up or maybe that is the way people with mental issues look. BTW none of them show him drinking water.

I have heard it said some negroes like to go on white peoples property and masturbate.....dont know if that is true....did you ever do anything like that?

Jimi Hendrix the famous black guitarist was kicked out of the Army for masturbating in public.

Funny how you never mention the white folks on those security cameras that were trespassing, why is that Green Hornet? If they are white it is not trespassing, right? What was the white couple doing on his property after dark?

hehheh I don't know what any of them were doing including ahmaud....I never said I did....all we can do regarding that is to speculate.

Yet stuff had been stolen and Ahmaud was a thief and had served time for it......thieves rarely change their spots.

The white folks are unknown and have nothing to do with the case under discussion as far as I know....thus they are irrelevant to this discussion. duh

 

[Superbadbrutha]

So why are your pasty, racist buddies sitting in jail with no bail?

I would say because at the moment they are political prisoners.

When the actual evidence comes out .... it should show that these men acted lawfully .... or did not.

Either way .... I could care less .....

Arbery was a criminal who attacked a man with a shotgun ....

Earned himself a Darwin Award in the process .....

Good damn riddance to these criminals ...

And, if the McMichaels acted unlawfully ....

Good damn riddance to them as well.

Political prisoners??? Are you kidding me. So you ass clowns think they can murder a black man and it is supposed to be just swept under the rug because they CLAIM he was committing a crime. Hate to tell your pasty, white, racist ass this but those days are coming to an end.