3rd Times a Charm? Question: How have GOP/Trump acted "against" Democracy?

[daveman]

I didn’t bring up Trump so not sure where you decided this has become some kind of contest.

That's what this whole thread has been about.

 

[daveman]

QAnon anyone?

Not me. Just been paying attention for years.

 

[daveman]

He pressured state officials to subvert election results.

He made phone calls.

Phone calls are illegal?

 

[colfax_m]

Not me. Just been paying attention for years.

QAnon isn’t you. It’s just an example of the right wing alternative reality media ecosystem which you don’t think exists.

 

[colfax_m]

Phone calls are illegal?

Depends on what is said on the phone call.

 

[colfax_m]

That's what this whole thread has been about.

The thread is about Trump acting against Democracy which has been explained many times.

 

[daveman]

QAnon isn’t you. It’s just an example of the right wing alternative reality media ecosystem which you don’t think exists.

I never said it doesn't exist...it just doesn't have the influence you believe it does. Most conservative media is not alternative reality, but reality free of leftist slant.

 

[daveman]

Depends on what is said on the phone call.

Talking is dangerous. Can't be allowed. There oughta be a law!

 

[daveman]

The thread is about Trump acting against Democracy which has been explained many times.

Uh huh. It's been explained, but ORANGE MAN BAD is not a rational explanation.

 

[colfax_m]

Talking is dangerous. Can't be allowed. There oughta be a law!

Then what do y’all think Epps needs to be arrested for?

 

[colfax_m]

Uh huh. It's been explained, but ORANGE MAN BAD is not a rational explanation.

Rational explanation has been provided. Perhaps you’re the one who isn’t so rational?

Trump wanted Pence to refuse to accept electoral votes. That’s working against Democracy.

 

[daveman]

Then what do y’all think Epps needs to be arrested for?

If the rioters broke the law, as you all claim, Epps encouraged them to.

 

[daveman]

Rational explanation has been provided. Perhaps you’re the one who isn’t so rational?

Trump wanted Pence to refuse to accept electoral votes. That’s working against Democracy.

Trump had reason to believe the election was not legal. That's been explained to you.

But, hey, the Democrat won, so everything's cool, right?

 

[colfax_m]

If the rioters broke the law, as you all claim, Epps encouraged them to.

So all Epps did was talk, right?

I guess there is a law.

 

[daveman]

So all Epps did was talk, right?

I guess there is a law.

DOJ evades questions on Capitol riot informants as Ray Epps denies working with FBI​

The House committee investigating the Capitol riot said Ray Epps, who some Republicans suggest may have been an FBI informant, denies ever working with the bureau, even as the Justice Department evades questions about any informants or agents present in the crowd on Jan. 6, 2021.

Epps, on video in the hours leading up to the riot encouraging the crowd to enter the Capitol, had been on the FBI's Capitol Violence most wanted list before he was removed without explanation after nearly six months.

With speculation swirling, Republicans have been clamoring for more clarity on Epps, but Justice Department and FBI officials have repeatedly declined to provide answers about the provocateur as well as any FBI informants or agents who may have been embedded within the pro-Trump crowd as people stormed the Capitol and disrupted the certification of now-President Joe Biden’s win in the 2020 election. The Jan. 6 committee made the first move Tuesday, saying House investigators interviewed Epps, but did not offer any insight into whether he was under oath when he denied being an FBI informant.

“The Select Committee is aware of unsupported claims that Ray Epps was an FBI informant based on the fact that he was on the FBI Wanted list and then was removed from that list without being charged,” the panel said in a statement. “The Select Committee has interviewed Mr. Epps. Mr. Epps informed us that he was not employed by, working with, or acting at the direction of any law enforcement agency on January 5th or 6th or at any other time, and that he has never been an informant for the FBI or any other law enforcement agency.”

Video footage shows Epps, a former president of the Arizona Oath Keepers militia group, urging a crowd of Trump supporters on the evening of Jan. 5, 2021, to "go into the Capitol" the next day, provoking allegations from the crowd that he was working for the federal authorities, with chants of “Fed!”

As former President Donald Trump spoke to supporters outside the White House on Jan. 6, Epps went to work loudly encouraging people to move toward the Capitol. He was also part of an initial group of rioters who broke through a police barrier on Capitol grounds, and he whispered something unknown into the ear of one rioter a few seconds before that person began trying to rip at a police barrier.

The Department of Justice said at least 725 defendants have been arrested in connection with the Capitol riot and that more than 225 defendants had been charged with assaulting or impeding law enforcement officers. However, despite initial hype from a former top DOJ prosecutor, no one has been charged with insurrection or sedition.

Epps has not been arrested or charged for his actions. There is no evidence that Epps entered the Capitol building during the riot nor is there any footage of him personally participating in acts of violence against police officers or anyone else. He, along with thousands of others, did unlawfully enter the Capitol’s larger restricted grounds, but most of those cases have not been charged.

 

[colfax_m]

Trump had reason to believe the election was not legal. That's been explained to you.

But, hey, the Democrat won, so everything's cool, right?

We don’t base the outcome of the election based on Trump’s feelings.

 

[BlindBoo]

Talking is dangerous. Can't be allowed. There oughta be a law!

Pressuring someone to break the law during a phone call is against the law.

 

[colfax_m]

DOJ evades questions on Capitol riot informants as Ray Epps denies working with FBI​

The House committee investigating the Capitol riot said Ray Epps, who some Republicans suggest may have been an FBI informant, denies ever working with the bureau, even as the Justice Department evades questions about any informants or agents present in the crowd on Jan. 6, 2021.

Epps, on video in the hours leading up to the riot encouraging the crowd to enter the Capitol, had been on the FBI's Capitol Violence most wanted list before he was removed without explanation after nearly six months.

With speculation swirling, Republicans have been clamoring for more clarity on Epps, but Justice Department and FBI officials have repeatedly declined to provide answers about the provocateur as well as any FBI informants or agents who may have been embedded within the pro-Trump crowd as people stormed the Capitol and disrupted the certification of now-President Joe Biden’s win in the 2020 election. The Jan. 6 committee made the first move Tuesday, saying House investigators interviewed Epps, but did not offer any insight into whether he was under oath when he denied being an FBI informant.

“The Select Committee is aware of unsupported claims that Ray Epps was an FBI informant based on the fact that he was on the FBI Wanted list and then was removed from that list without being charged,” the panel said in a statement. “The Select Committee has interviewed Mr. Epps. Mr. Epps informed us that he was not employed by, working with, or acting at the direction of any law enforcement agency on January 5th or 6th or at any other time, and that he has never been an informant for the FBI or any other law enforcement agency.”

Video footage shows Epps, a former president of the Arizona Oath Keepers militia group, urging a crowd of Trump supporters on the evening of Jan. 5, 2021, to "go into the Capitol" the next day, provoking allegations from the crowd that he was working for the federal authorities, with chants of “Fed!”

As former President Donald Trump spoke to supporters outside the White House on Jan. 6, Epps went to work loudly encouraging people to move toward the Capitol. He was also part of an initial group of rioters who broke through a police barrier on Capitol grounds, and he whispered something unknown into the ear of one rioter a few seconds before that person began trying to rip at a police barrier.

The Department of Justice said at least 725 defendants have been arrested in connection with the Capitol riot and that more than 225 defendants had been charged with assaulting or impeding law enforcement officers. However, despite initial hype from a former top DOJ prosecutor, no one has been charged with insurrection or sedition.

Epps has not been arrested or charged for his actions. There is no evidence that Epps entered the Capitol building during the riot nor is there any footage of him personally participating in acts of violence against police officers or anyone else. He, along with thousands of others, did unlawfully enter the Capitol’s larger restricted grounds, but most of those cases have not been charged.

That Epps and his dangerous talking. There should be a law.

It’s really amazing how someone like yourself manages to make a fool of yourself so perfectly it’s almost as if that’s exactly what you intended.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

How else other tha

How else other than majority rules? How does your imaginary govt work? Minority wins and rules? Please explain your system of govt.

Integration Causes Disintegration

The majority never would have allowed unfit minorities to vote, so the Popular Vote imposed on us against our will is undemocratic. Instead of pointing that out, fake Conservatives call the majority of White Americans a "mob."

It was a "mob" that settled the dangerous frontier. It was a "mob" that built our industries. It was a "mob" that died on the beaches of Normandy, then had the country taken away from us by plutocratic Chickenhawk snobs.

 

[colfax_m]

If the rioters broke the law, as you all claim, Epps encouraged them to.

Maybe Epps really just believed the election was not legal. Then it’s okay, right?