44 States Refuse To Turn Over Voter Rolls To Support Trump's Big Lie

[busybee01]

You Goddamned liar. The fat senile old orange clown is asking for information in no way pertinent to illegal voting.

You're flailing and dodging. He's proposed an investigation into Voter Fraud. Why are y'all hater wingnuts refusing to cooperate?

Because there is no reason to believe Trump's bullshit claim of massive illegal voting.

If only you realized how ignorant you sound.

You mean to a crazy RWNJ? I don't really care.

He wants to investigate Voter Fraud, and you don't. But he's the 'bad guy.' You hater wingnuts are truly lost. Movin on...

He doesn't want to investigate voter fraud. He wants to twist the data so he can say that he won the popular vote. Also a second sinister reason could be in play. If you are a Democrat or vote regularly in Democrat primaries and have a foreign surname, will they be harassed by the federal government and intimidated in not voting. That would be a criminal offense.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Pop-Quiz!


Now....first the reading comprehension part of the test:


"12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally" 12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org



From the LATimes:
"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two



Ready?


How many of the 12 states plus DC that allow illegals to get drivers licenses, and have voter registration in the same place (what a coincidence!) did Bill's wife win???


C'mon....guess.

I wasn't asking you to rehash the DMV automatically registering illegals argument. I was asking if, based on your post, you think the 44 states which are refusing (in whole or in part) to turn over voter data are doing so because they know that a significant number of illegals voted in those states, and they are trying to hide that fact.

Even assuming the 12 states do register illegals to vote, that says nothing of the other 32 states refusing to hand over some or all of the voter information to the commission.

Everyone else understands why my post applies.

Why would you pretend you don't?

Whether your post applies to the overall discussion or not doesn't mean it answers my question.

I wasn't asking you about whether a small number of states automatically register illegals to vote. I was asking if you think the vast majority of states have information showing that illegals vote in their states and are trying to hide it, because that seemed to be the implication of your first post in this thread.

Would you care to answer that question, or continue to deflect?

Let's check with the Democrat poll watchers....

We can ask 'em who they let vote......

So no, you aren't willing to just answer. Got it.

How many illegal aliens are living in this country?

 

[PoliticalChic]

So what do they have to hide that causes them to so fear the light of day?

Hmmm.....could it be that multiple millions of illegal aliens voted their interests, and Americans voted theirs?

And the Americans won.

Are you saying you think the governments of 44 states know that illegals voted in their states and are now trying to hide that information?

Pop-Quiz!


Now....first the reading comprehension part of the test:


"12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally" 12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org



From the LATimes:
"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two



Ready?


How many of the 12 states plus DC that allow illegals to get drivers licenses, and have voter registration in the same place (what a coincidence!) did Bill's wife win???


C'mon....guess.

you've been corrected on this yet you continue to regurgitate it...? Why?

AFTER 9/11 the federal govt has required states to have a separate process for legal and illegal immigrants getting driver's licenses and their required identity paperwork, which also requires all legal and illegal immigrants to make specific appointments with the DMV for their applications and tests, and eventually they get a DIFFERENT driver's licenses that STATES they are not eligible to vote in Federal elections and not get other Federal benefits not applicable to them..

Immigrants, in their separate process are NOT included in the process to register citizens when getting their driver's licenses. IT IS NOT AUTOMATIC for immigrants.

1. I've never been 'corrected.'

2. From the LATimes:
"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two.


Registered......to vote.


3. How many illegal aliens live in the country?

Now...don't make me have to correct you.

 

[Seawytch]

Yet you won't cooperate to see if your assertions are fact. You know what that makes you?... A cowardly Bullshit Artist.

The Trump commissions not trying to find illegal votes, they're trying to create the illusion of illegal votes. They will take every Pablo Rodreiguez at 100 different addresses and say he is the same person voting illegally 99 times.

But will ignore the millions of John Smiths....

 

[PoliticalChic]

So what do they have to hide that causes them to so fear the light of day?

Law suits from voters for violation of their privacy rights. Voters are supposed to vote by secret ballot. That's the law. Requesting information on how people voted is illegal.

So....other than for whom they voted, you have no objection to the other information requested?


Painted yourself into a corner, huh?

No there are other privacy act violations but that one is the biggest.

You can run but you can't hide.
So saith the Brown Bomber


BTW.....how many illegal aliens are living in this country?

 

[Seawytch]

So what do they have to hide that causes them to so fear the light of day?

Hmmm.....could it be that multiple millions of illegal aliens voted their interests, and Americans voted theirs?

And the Americans won.

Are you saying you think the governments of 44 states know that illegals voted in their states and are now trying to hide that information?

Pop-Quiz!


Now....first the reading comprehension part of the test:


"12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally" 12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org



From the LATimes:
"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two



Ready?


How many of the 12 states plus DC that allow illegals to get drivers licenses, and have voter registration in the same place (what a coincidence!) did Bill's wife win???


C'mon....guess.

you've been corrected on this yet you continue to regurgitate it...? Why?

AFTER 9/11 the federal govt has required states to have a separate process for legal and illegal immigrants getting driver's licenses and their required identity paperwork, which also requires all legal and illegal immigrants to make specific appointments with the DMV for their applications and tests, and eventually they get a DIFFERENT driver's licenses that STATES they are not eligible to vote in Federal elections and not get other Federal benefits not applicable to them..

Immigrants, in their separate process are NOT included in the process to register citizens when getting their driver's licenses. IT IS NOT AUTOMATIC for immigrants.

1. I've never been 'corrected.'

2. From the LATimes:
"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two.


Registered......to vote.


3. How many illegal aliens live in the country?

Now...don't make me have to correct you.

Did you not link to the LA Times article because you know it actually contradicts what you're trying to assert?

 

[PoliticalChic]

So what do they have to hide that causes them to so fear the light of day?

Hmmm.....could it be that multiple millions of illegal aliens voted their interests, and Americans voted theirs?

And the Americans won.

Now could it be that as usual, PC is a fucked up liar? Why, yes, it could be, at that.

The states are not going to turn over that data. And, if the six that have not yet denied The fat senile old clown that data should turn it over, the citizens should sue the states concerning the unauthorized release of their personal information.

1. I never lie, and I never use vulgarity.
Which bothers you more?

2. "The states are not going to turn over that data."
Is that like "the travel ban is going to stick!!!"

3. "The fat senile old clown" ....didn't you hear? She lost the election.

4. You haven't been right since disco died.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hmmm.....could it be that multiple millions of illegal aliens voted their interests, and Americans voted theirs?

And the Americans won.

Are you saying you think the governments of 44 states know that illegals voted in their states and are now trying to hide that information?

Pop-Quiz!


Now....first the reading comprehension part of the test:


"12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally" 12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org



From the LATimes:
"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two



Ready?


How many of the 12 states plus DC that allow illegals to get drivers licenses, and have voter registration in the same place (what a coincidence!) did Bill's wife win???


C'mon....guess.

I wasn't asking you to rehash the DMV automatically registering illegals argument. I was asking if, based on your post, you think the 44 states which are refusing (in whole or in part) to turn over voter data are doing so because they know that a significant number of illegals voted in those states, and they are trying to hide that fact.

Even assuming the 12 states do register illegals to vote, that says nothing of the other 32 states refusing to hand over some or all of the voter information to the commission.

Everyone else understands why my post applies.

Why would you pretend you don't?

No, we do not understand why someone supposedly devoted to individual freedom is proposing that states turn over highly personal information on all it's voters to the Federal Government. That request has never been made before by any President. The fat senile old orange clown is seeing a way to become the first American Emperor.

1."No, we do not understand why someone supposedly devoted to individual freedom is proposing that states turn over highly personal information on all it's voters..."
Stop lying
You know why: because Democrats encourage illegal alien occupation of this nation for the purpose of voting for Democrats.

After all....Hussein Obama actually told them to vote.


2. "The fat senile old orange clown..."
Didn't you hear?
She lost the election.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hmmm.....could it be that multiple millions of illegal aliens voted their interests, and Americans voted theirs?

And the Americans won.

Are you saying you think the governments of 44 states know that illegals voted in their states and are now trying to hide that information?

Pop-Quiz!


Now....first the reading comprehension part of the test:


"12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally" 12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org



From the LATimes:
"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two



Ready?


How many of the 12 states plus DC that allow illegals to get drivers licenses, and have voter registration in the same place (what a coincidence!) did Bill's wife win???


C'mon....guess.

you've been corrected on this yet you continue to regurgitate it...? Why?

AFTER 9/11 the federal govt has required states to have a separate process for legal and illegal immigrants getting driver's licenses and their required identity paperwork, which also requires all legal and illegal immigrants to make specific appointments with the DMV for their applications and tests, and eventually they get a DIFFERENT driver's licenses that STATES they are not eligible to vote in Federal elections and not get other Federal benefits not applicable to them..

Immigrants, in their separate process are NOT included in the process to register citizens when getting their driver's licenses. IT IS NOT AUTOMATIC for immigrants.

1. I've never been 'corrected.'

2. From the LATimes:
"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two.


Registered......to vote.


3. How many illegal aliens live in the country?

Now...don't make me have to correct you.

Did you not link to the LA Times article because you know it actually contradicts what you're trying to assert?

From the LATimes:
"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two


Registered to vote.....illegally.

But....Hussein Obama did tell them to do just that.

What a cur, huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Hmmm.....could it be that multiple millions of illegal aliens voted their interests, and Americans voted theirs?

And the Americans won.

Are you saying you think the governments of 44 states know that illegals voted in their states and are now trying to hide that information?

Pop-Quiz!


Now....first the reading comprehension part of the test:


"12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally" 12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org



From the LATimes:
"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two



Ready?


How many of the 12 states plus DC that allow illegals to get drivers licenses, and have voter registration in the same place (what a coincidence!) did Bill's wife win???


C'mon....guess.

I wasn't asking you to rehash the DMV automatically registering illegals argument. I was asking if, based on your post, you think the 44 states which are refusing (in whole or in part) to turn over voter data are doing so because they know that a significant number of illegals voted in those states, and they are trying to hide that fact.

Even assuming the 12 states do register illegals to vote, that says nothing of the other 32 states refusing to hand over some or all of the voter information to the commission.

Everyone else understands why my post applies.

Why would you pretend you don't?

Your post doesn't apply. The renewal form also verifies citizenship. You know that but are choosing to deny this happens.

" The renewal form also verifies citizenship."

Nonsense.

Democrat pass 'em right through into the voting booths.

You know that.

That's why you Liberals are fighting so strenuously.

 

[Seawytch]

Are you saying you think the governments of 44 states know that illegals voted in their states and are now trying to hide that information?

Pop-Quiz!


Now....first the reading comprehension part of the test:


"12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally" 12 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org



From the LATimes:
"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two



Ready?


How many of the 12 states plus DC that allow illegals to get drivers licenses, and have voter registration in the same place (what a coincidence!) did Bill's wife win???


C'mon....guess.

you've been corrected on this yet you continue to regurgitate it...? Why?

AFTER 9/11 the federal govt has required states to have a separate process for legal and illegal immigrants getting driver's licenses and their required identity paperwork, which also requires all legal and illegal immigrants to make specific appointments with the DMV for their applications and tests, and eventually they get a DIFFERENT driver's licenses that STATES they are not eligible to vote in Federal elections and not get other Federal benefits not applicable to them..

Immigrants, in their separate process are NOT included in the process to register citizens when getting their driver's licenses. IT IS NOT AUTOMATIC for immigrants.

1. I've never been 'corrected.'

2. From the LATimes:
"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two.


Registered......to vote.


3. How many illegal aliens live in the country?

Now...don't make me have to correct you.

Did you not link to the LA Times article because you know it actually contradicts what you're trying to assert?

From the LATimes:
"If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two


Registered to vote.....illegally.

But....Hussein Obama did tell them to do just that.

What a cur, huh?

Still no link. The LA Times has written many articles on CA's motor voter law.

 

[Seawytch]

I'm guessing Polihack is referencing this LA Times article that is simply about voting rights advocates concerned that the DMV is disenfranchising citizens.

Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two

Are we to believe that Polihack is really concerned that Californians are being registered to vote as independents?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Are you saying you think the governments of 44 states know that illegals voted in their states and are now trying to hide that information?

Is it that hard for you to understand?

Are you saying all of those 44 states are hiding information about illegal voters?

I see that it is...

Why don't you explain it then? Or are you, like PC, unwilling to simply answer the question?

You really believe that Illegal Aliens have NOT cast a vote in our national elections, really?

I guess you're going to try and tell me that our tax dollars do not support them in any fashion?

In my opinion its insane to believe Illegal Aliens have not voted in our elections based simply on voter ID, we require ID to drive, buy alcohol, buy cigarettes, purchase countless products, enter public schools, leave and enter the US, board an air plane, etc...

So what's the real argument with Voter ID Laws?

Bingo!


1. [While there] "are regular reports of violent crimes committed by illegal aliens – horrific gang-related murders have occurred recently in New York, Washington, D.C., and Houston – but the true crime rate among illegal aliens is not known. Most states do not keep those records for reasons we can only guess, plus there is no way of knowing the real number of illegals in the country."
Derek Hunter - For Democrats, How Many American Victims Are Enough?



2. “In all, nearly 60 percent of immigrants—legal and illegal—are on government assistance, compared with 39 percent of native households. Why would any country voluntarily bring in people who have to be supported by the taxpayer?”
― Ann Coulter, ¡Adios, America!: The Left's Plan to Turn Our Country into a Third World Hellhole



3. Here's the answer: the reason that the Democrats/Liberals encourage illegal immigration is for one reason and one reason only: illegals vote for the Democrats.

There is no other benefit to this nation.
None.
Illegals keep wages low, and unemployment of Americans high; it costs billions in welfare services and police costs high.
It is only through the actions of Democrats and illegal aliens that the Left is able to claim a popular vote victory in the last election.
After all, Obama told illegal aliens to get out and vote.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So what do they have to hide that causes them to so fear the light of day?

Law suits from voters for violation of their privacy rights. Voters are supposed to vote by secret ballot. That's the law. Requesting information on how people voted is illegal.

So....other than for whom they voted, you have no objection to the other information requested?


Painted yourself into a corner, huh?

No information should be provided. They have said this will all be made public. If a state even releases name and address, that will be made public. Perople's name and address may be available to stalkers and other people of ill repute.

Soooo....you're a Democrat, huh?

No one has asked for whom voters voted.

The rest of the information is pertinent to proving that millions of illegal votes were cast for the career criminal, your candidate.


You're sweatin,' huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Trying to get all that info on every American voter in single database would make that database target number one for every hacker in Russia and they would almost certainly succeed with the sloppy way Trump's people run things.

Remind us who hacked the DNC ..remind us how many millions of dollars Obama spent on the Obama care web site numb nuts...


.

You are the numb nuts. You don't give a damn about people's information being stolen. All for the sake of satisfying Trump's ego.

You are the numb nuts. You don't give a damn about America's sovereignty being stolen. All for the sake of satisfying the career criminal and congenital liar.


Why aren't Democrats Americans????

 

[PoliticalChic]

I'm guessing Polihack is referencing this LA Times article that is simply about voting rights advocates concerned that the DMV is disenfranchising citizens.

Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two

Are we to believe that Polihack is really concerned that Californians are being registered to vote as independents?

1. "If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two
Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two


2. "With the law about to hit the two-year mark, the California Department of Motor Vehicles announced that 806,000 illegal aliens have been granted driver licenses, according to the Bay Area’s Mercury News. 14,000 of those licenses were issued in November of this year.


In 2017, new motor voter law AB 1461 will go into effect, automatically registering most licensed California drivers to vote. As the Mercury News points out, concerns have been raised about the crossover of AB60 illegal alien licensees being illegally registered to vote as a result. Some lawmakers have claimed there are safeguards against such a case."
California Licenses 800K Illegal Aliens as Motor Voter Law Looms - Breitbart


3. DMV licensed 800,000 undocumented immigrants under 2-year-old law
California driver licenses given to 800,000 undocumented immigrants



4. In program’s first year, nearly half of California’s driver’s licenses went to undocumented

In program’s first year, nearly half of California’s driver’s licenses went to undocumented – Orange County Register


5. "More than half of California drivers' licenses went to undocumented immigrants, NumbersUSA says"

More than half of California drivers' licenses went to undocumented immigrants, NumbersUSA says

 

[Old Rocks]

Poor PC, always on the side of the fascists.

 

[Seawytch]

I'm guessing Polihack is referencing this LA Times article that is simply about voting rights advocates concerned that the DMV is disenfranchising citizens.

Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two

Are we to believe that Polihack is really concerned that Californians are being registered to vote as independents?

1. "If you’ve visited the DMV in the last few weeks, you may have noticed that you can now complete your voter registration at the same time you renew your driver’s license — without having to fill out a separate form.... they will be registered as having no party preference. " Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two
Registered to vote at the DMV? Check again. Many who use the new process miss a vital step two


2. "With the law about to hit the two-year mark, the California Department of Motor Vehicles announced that 806,000 illegal aliens have been granted driver licenses, according to the Bay Area’s Mercury News. 14,000 of those licenses were issued in November of this year.


In 2017, new motor voter law AB 1461 will go into effect, automatically registering most licensed California drivers to vote. As the Mercury News points out, concerns have been raised about the crossover of AB60 illegal alien licensees being illegally registered to vote as a result. Some lawmakers have claimed there are safeguards against such a case."
California Licenses 800K Illegal Aliens as Motor Voter Law Looms - Breitbart


3. DMV licensed 800,000 undocumented immigrants under 2-year-old law
California driver licenses given to 800,000 undocumented immigrants



4. In program’s first year, nearly half of California’s driver’s licenses went to undocumented

In program’s first year, nearly half of California’s driver’s licenses went to undocumented – Orange County Register


5. "More than half of California drivers' licenses went to undocumented immigrants, NumbersUSA says"

More than half of California drivers' licenses went to undocumented immigrants, NumbersUSA says

As has been pointed out to you repeatedly, non citizens are given a different drivers license than citizens. Non citizens (who are granted drivers licenses in all 50 states) are not registered to vote. You know this. Why do you pretend you don't?

 

[Seawytch]

From Polihack's own link: (Mercury)

State officials said there are safeguards in the system to prevent undocumented licensees from being registered to vote.

To qualify for a driver’s license under AB 60, applicants must prove their identity and residency in California; pass the written exam and a driving test; submit thumbprints and show proof of insurance, among other requirements. AB 60 licenses are marked with the words, “federal limits apply.” They have language on them indicating that the card is for driving purposes only and may not be used for identification.

 

[CowboyTed]

Trying to get all that info on every American voter in single database would make that database target number one for every hacker in Russia and they would almost certainly succeed with the sloppy way Trump's people run things.

I agree with you in one point but the 50 states would be easy enough hack...

But a central database is one of the first items on your dictators handbook.

After that would be the National ID Card.

Next No ID card you can be detained to make sure your not an undesirable.

Undesirables today are undocumented workers, but tomorrow it could be you....