5 facts about mass public shootings anti gunners don't want to know or understand...

[Rustic]

In the OP. Show us one, just one place that quotes the Bible. Just one and I’ll give you a break.

If you can’t, then realize, the Bible is renting a room in your head, free of charge.

Maybe even better, you’re proving the effect it has in you!

And that shit, you just can’t make up!

Paranoia knows no political bounds, why deny it?

Lib liars know none.

I bet paranoia creeps into your realm just thinking about it..

Now the troll claims people wanting a gun to defend themselves with are paranoid! And these are the same people that claim there are thousands upon thousands of murders each year. Funny how that just can't add up.

No you said that I said that there are paranoids on both sides...
The Bible proves it beyond a shadow of a doubt.
I don't use firearms to kill, I use them to survive...Fuck the paranoia, and the Bible..

Fuck socialism it breeds violence

 

[Pop23]

Hey, I think I found a word that describes 2AGuy and other gun nuts.

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do you go limp from fear of driving? You have less of a chance of gun death then car death other than suicide?

Maybe your suicidal?

 

[Pop23]

No.....it is a problem when you democrats enforce a law that makes law abiding gun owners leave their legal gun at home, or in their cars...so when the mass shooter comes into the democrat gun free zone to murder people, there is no one there to stop them....

Guy, most of your gun nuts would PISS YOURSELVES if you were ever confronted with a mass shooter.

Says someone sitting in his moms basement

His mom told him to be afraid of the world outside the basement?

 

[2aguy]

Moron....the democrats keep letting the violent gun criminals out of jail...it doesn't matter how many you lock up if you let them right back out....

Um, yeah. it kind of does.

You see, when you lock up 2 million people, have another 7 million on probation and parole, and bankrupt yourselves supporting a prison industrial complex that springs from the Gun Culture, you really haven't fixed the underlying problems. You are just treating the symptoms.

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...

We still have 33,000 gun deaths a year... that's what happened. We've turned our workplaces and schools into armed camps, we've created a police prison state.

That's what happened. You see, I'm old enough to remember when you didn't have to walk through three security checkpoints to get to your desk in the morning.

Nothing in your post is true or accurate....

When you let violent gun criminals out of jail with less than 3 years in prison, it doesn't matter how many you lock up.....you are letting them back out and then they murder people.....

The 33,000 gun deaths....again...you lie by omission...you fail to add that Americans use their legal guns 2.5 million times a year to stop violent criminals........and you fail to point out that gun ownership has no relation to suicide......but keep lying...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...

The Truth...from the CDC, WISQARS data site...

Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2016

Gun.....495

Car.......38,748

poisoning......58,335

falling.......34,673

suffocation...6,610

drowning......3,786



Gun murder.....2016



FBI....11,004

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4

Gun Suicide.....22,938

 

[Rustic]

America needs to be better armed, an armed America is a safe America.

Don’t let the Orwellian’s tell you anything different

 

[JoeB131]

do you go limp from fear of driving? You have less of a chance of gun death then car death other than suicide?

Maybe your suicidal?

Again, I'd have no problem if we regulated guns like we regulate cars.

Licensing, insurance, testing, background checks and police constantly keeping an eye on it... that would work just fine.

When you let violent gun criminals out of jail with less than 3 years in prison, it doesn't matter how many you lock up.....you are letting them back out and then they murder people.....

The problem is, we lock them up, then send them back out with no job skills or prospects, and we act all surprised when they commit worse crimes.

Again, we lock people up for stealing Pizza slices, locking them up isn't the answer. Never was.

 

[JoeB131]

you fail to add that Americans use their legal guns 2.5 million times a year to stop violent criminals........

Because they don't.

Nowhere near.

 

[2aguy]

do you go limp from fear of driving? You have less of a chance of gun death then car death other than suicide?

Maybe your suicidal?

Again, I'd have no problem if we regulated guns like we regulate cars.

Licensing, insurance, testing, background checks and police constantly keeping an eye on it... that would work just fine.

When you let violent gun criminals out of jail with less than 3 years in prison, it doesn't matter how many you lock up.....you are letting them back out and then they murder people.....

The problem is, we lock them up, then send them back out with no job skills or prospects, and we act all surprised when they commit worse crimes.

Again, we lock people up for stealing Pizza slices, locking them up isn't the answer. Never was.

Cars are not guns, they are not a Right....like your democrat ancestors who kept blacks from the Right to vote by initiating Poll Taxes and Literacy tests, both are unConstitutional...as are any taxes on the exercise of a Right....

How about we stop letting democrats let violent gun criminals out of jail....how about we start there.....that would actually dry up the killers who use guns to commit murder....

 

[2aguy]

you fail to add that Americans use their legal guns 2.5 million times a year to stop violent criminals........

Because they don't.

Nowhere near.

Except for 42 years of research that says they do...you mean other than that?

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 2.46 million each of those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[JoeB131]

Cars are not guns, they are not a Right....

guns aren't a right, either.

Except for 42 years of research that says they do...you mean other than that?

Shit research by Kleck still shit research.

 

[2aguy]

Cars are not guns, they are not a Right....

guns aren't a right, either.

Except for 42 years of research that says they do...you mean other than that?

Shit research by Kleck still shit research.

Yes....guns are a Right......

And the CDC and the Department of Justice both support the findings in Kleck's study....

And these studies do too......

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 2.46 million each of those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

Self defense with a gun:

 

[Rustic]

progressives know nothing on the subject...

 

[JoeB131]

Yes....guns are a Right......

first, guy, THERE are no rights. There are privileges the rest of society says you should have. Any fool who thinks he has rights needs to look up "Japanese Americans, 1942".

When the majority finally gets fed up with the carnage inflicted by you gun fetishists, you will be amazed how quickly people realize there's something in there about "Well-regulated militias".

Actually, it's already happening, as big corporations are getting tired of carrying the 270 BILLION in economic losses due to your fetish.

And the CDC and the Department of Justice both support the findings in Kleck's study....

No they don't. Again, doesn't even pass the laugh test. If you had MILLIONS of DGU's, then you'd have thousands of dead bodies in justified shootings.

Not only 200 of the 33,000 gun deaths in this country being ruled as 'justified".