64% think attempting and failing to obstruct justice is as bad as obstructing justice

[nat4900]

Once again you prove yourself a fucking LIAR, nothing in the story says voters were polled, it only mentions Americans. So shove your 2 out of 3 voters propaganda.

True, true..........The poll was taken at a day care center and the toddlers did complain that their nap was interrupted

 

[OKTexas]

all I am doing is showing the article is written by a source that is owned by a company in Germany

Asshole........The o/p is citing a POLL....it is NOT just an article on someone's opinion....its just a fucking poll implemented within the US and responded by US citizens......

Argue about the poll format, if you want, but stop being an asshole about a German company.....

Low IQ Trumpsters show their stupidity without shame.......LOL

Did the poll takers ask about citizenship? That wasn't in the article.

.

 

[OKTexas]

Once again you prove yourself a fucking LIAR, nothing in the story says voters were polled, it only mentions Americans. So shove your 2 out of 3 voters propaganda.

True, true..........The poll was taken at a day care center and the toddlers did complain that their nap was interrupted

Well you do need your nappy. LIAR..... LMAO

.

 

[emilynghiem]

This latest survey (post the redacted Mueller report,) is a bit of "bad news" for Trump.....not only in his attempts to obstruct justice, but ALSO of his incompetence in such attempts.

As a reminder to the simple math challenged, Trump sycophants, 64% is almost 2 out of 3 voters.

Bad news for Trump: 64% of Americans think attempting and failing to obstruct justice is as bad as obstructing justice

only as much as attempted murder is as bad as murder

or attempted robbery is as bad as robbery,,,

^ What progressive hunter said ^

Also nat4900 you bring to mind my prolife friends
who believe that aborting an unborn child is as bad as murder.
And ATTEMPTING to abort and FAILING should also be banned as illegal,
the same as murder or attempted murder.

In those cases, when "someone else" equates them as the same,
opponents argue "that's YOUR belief" and believe
"those people can be under that laws, but can't impose it on others"

So in this case, with attempted but failed obstruction of justice,
I'd ask the same of you and the other "64%" of polled voters:
Would YOU agree to have THIS STANDARD applied to YOU:
that if YOU were SUSPECTED of "attempted but failed obstruction"
would YOU agree to confess and accept charges and sentencing
that applies to CONVICTION OF OBSTRUCTION? Or would you FIGHT it
as Trump is?

Would you react as he is? or would you AGREE to accept charges
just for SUSPECTED ATTEMPT? @nat4000

abortion isnt as bad as murder ,,,it is murder,,,,

the rest of your comment is incoherent babble,,,

Dear progressive hunter
I was addressing nat4900 about the structure and application
of the argument, trying to hold Trump responsible to the opinions of
nat4900 and "64% of people polled."

(As for your belief that abortion is murder, would you equate
"failed attempt at abortion" to be "the same as murder"?)

nat4900 given that you and this "64%" believe in holding
Trump equally responsible for "failed attempts at obstruction"
as you would if Trump were convicted of "obstruction"

My Question to you is still:
Then do YOU agree that if you were in Trump's position
YOU would AGREE to the charges, punishment and sentencing
for "failed attempts at obstruction" that you were accused of
by the same standards of punishing actual "obstruction."

progressive hunter do you understand what I am asking nat4900
A. if nat4900 believes in punishing "failed attempts at obstruction"
the same as actual "obstruction" does this mean nat4900 (and the 64% polled) would agree to be punished if THEY were facing that situation?
Would THEY agree to be punished the same as they are asking for Trump?
B. If not, then WHY push to interpret this law to punish Trump
if THEY would not want such law applied to THEM. Once you
establish a law, it applies to EVERYONE not just select people!
So WHY would anyone insist on interpreting laws
in ways THEY WOULDN'T WANT TO BE UNDER.

^ nat4900 if you are more clear on what I'm asking here ^
can you please answer and/or explain to progressive hunter
what I'm presenting to you? Thank you both! Sorry if this wasn't clear.

 

[progressive hunter]

This latest survey (post the redacted Mueller report,) is a bit of "bad news" for Trump.....not only in his attempts to obstruct justice, but ALSO of his incompetence in such attempts.

As a reminder to the simple math challenged, Trump sycophants, 64% is almost 2 out of 3 voters.

Bad news for Trump: 64% of Americans think attempting and failing to obstruct justice is as bad as obstructing justice

only as much as attempted murder is as bad as murder

or attempted robbery is as bad as robbery,,,

^ What progressive hunter said ^

Also nat4900 you bring to mind my prolife friends
who believe that aborting an unborn child is as bad as murder.
And ATTEMPTING to abort and FAILING should also be banned as illegal,
the same as murder or attempted murder.

In those cases, when "someone else" equates them as the same,
opponents argue "that's YOUR belief" and believe
"those people can be under that laws, but can't impose it on others"

So in this case, with attempted but failed obstruction of justice,
I'd ask the same of you and the other "64%" of polled voters:
Would YOU agree to have THIS STANDARD applied to YOU:
that if YOU were SUSPECTED of "attempted but failed obstruction"
would YOU agree to confess and accept charges and sentencing
that applies to CONVICTION OF OBSTRUCTION? Or would you FIGHT it
as Trump is?

Would you react as he is? or would you AGREE to accept charges
just for SUSPECTED ATTEMPT? @nat4000

abortion isnt as bad as murder ,,,it is murder,,,,

the rest of your comment is incoherent babble,,,

Dear progressive hunter
I was addressing nat4900 about the structure and application
of the argument, trying to hold Trump responsible to the opinions of
nat4900 and "64% of people polled."

(As for your belief that abortion is murder, would you equate
"failed attempt at abortion" to be "the same as murder"?)

nat4900 given that you and this "64%" believe in holding
Trump equally responsible for "failed attempts at obstruction"
as you would if Trump were convicted of "obstruction"

My Question to you is still:
Then do YOU agree that if you were in Trump's position
YOU would AGREE to the charges, punishment and sentencing
for "failed attempts at obstruction" that you were accused of
by the same standards of punishing actual "obstruction."

progressive hunter do you understand what I am asking nat4900
A. if nat4900 believes in punishing "failed attempts at obstruction"
the same as actual "obstruction" does this mean nat4900 (and the 64% polled) would agree to be punished if THEY were facing that situation?
Would THEY agree to be punished the same as they are asking for Trump?
B. If not, then WHY push to interpret this law to punish Trump
if THEY would not want such law applied to THEM. Once you
establish a law, it applies to EVERYONE not just select people!
So WHY would anyone insist on interpreting laws
in ways THEY WOULDN'T WANT TO BE UNDER.

^ nat4900 if you are more clear on what I'm asking here ^
can you please answer and/or explain to progressive hunter
what I'm presenting to you? Thank you both! Sorry if this wasn't clear.

what do you mean by failed attempt???
if the child is still alive then no murder happened,,,

as for trump ,,I am not aware of any proof he attempted to obstruct

 

[dudmuck]

This latest survey (post the redacted Mueller report,) is a bit of "bad news" for Trump.....not only in his attempts to obstruct justice, but ALSO of his incompetence in such attempts.

As a reminder to the simple math challenged, Trump sycophants, 64% is almost 2 out of 3 voters.

Bad news for Trump: 64% of Americans think attempting and failing to obstruct justice is as bad as obstructing justice

only as much as attempted murder is as bad as murder

or attempted robbery is as bad as robbery,,,

^ What progressive hunter said ^

Also nat4900 you bring to mind my prolife friends
who believe that aborting an unborn child is as bad as murder.
And ATTEMPTING to abort and FAILING should also be banned as illegal,
the same as murder or attempted murder.

In those cases, when "someone else" equates them as the same,
opponents argue "that's YOUR belief" and believe
"those people can be under that laws, but can't impose it on others"

So in this case, with attempted but failed obstruction of justice,
I'd ask the same of you and the other "64%" of polled voters:
Would YOU agree to have THIS STANDARD applied to YOU:
that if YOU were SUSPECTED of "attempted but failed obstruction"
would YOU agree to confess and accept charges and sentencing
that applies to CONVICTION OF OBSTRUCTION? Or would you FIGHT it
as Trump is?

Would you react as he is? or would you AGREE to accept charges
just for SUSPECTED ATTEMPT? @nat4000

abortion isnt as bad as murder ,,,it is murder,,,,

the rest of your comment is incoherent babble,,,

Dear progressive hunter
I was addressing nat4900 about the structure and application
of the argument, trying to hold Trump responsible to the opinions of
nat4900 and "64% of people polled."

(As for your belief that abortion is murder, would you equate
"failed attempt at abortion" to be "the same as murder"?)

nat4900 given that you and this "64%" believe in holding
Trump equally responsible for "failed attempts at obstruction"
as you would if Trump were convicted of "obstruction"

My Question to you is still:
Then do YOU agree that if you were in Trump's position
YOU would AGREE to the charges, punishment and sentencing
for "failed attempts at obstruction" that you were accused of
by the same standards of punishing actual "obstruction."

progressive hunter do you understand what I am asking nat4900
A. if nat4900 believes in punishing "failed attempts at obstruction"
the same as actual "obstruction" does this mean nat4900 (and the 64% polled) would agree to be punished if THEY were facing that situation?
Would THEY agree to be punished the same as they are asking for Trump?
B. If not, then WHY push to interpret this law to punish Trump
if THEY would not want such law applied to THEM. Once you
establish a law, it applies to EVERYONE not just select people!
So WHY would anyone insist on interpreting laws
in ways THEY WOULDN'T WANT TO BE UNDER.

^ nat4900 if you are more clear on what I'm asking here ^
can you please answer and/or explain to progressive hunter
what I'm presenting to you? Thank you both! Sorry if this wasn't clear.

what do you mean by failed attempt???
if the child is still alive then no murder happened,,,

as for trump ,,I am not aware of any proof he attempted to obstruct

Plenty of attempts detailed here, with some success.
But with these attempts comes the Barbara Streisand effect.

But, since this number is 64 percent, this means that 36% of Americans either do not know or do not care what the law is.

So, in that logic that the white house uses, if you pull a gun on somebody, but the gun does not fire, because you forgot to put a bullet in it, you do not get charged, because you were to stupid to remember to put a bullet in the chamber?

 

[progressive hunter]

only as much as attempted murder is as bad as murder

or attempted robbery is as bad as robbery,,,

^ What progressive hunter said ^

Also nat4900 you bring to mind my prolife friends
who believe that aborting an unborn child is as bad as murder.
And ATTEMPTING to abort and FAILING should also be banned as illegal,
the same as murder or attempted murder.

In those cases, when "someone else" equates them as the same,
opponents argue "that's YOUR belief" and believe
"those people can be under that laws, but can't impose it on others"

So in this case, with attempted but failed obstruction of justice,
I'd ask the same of you and the other "64%" of polled voters:
Would YOU agree to have THIS STANDARD applied to YOU:
that if YOU were SUSPECTED of "attempted but failed obstruction"
would YOU agree to confess and accept charges and sentencing
that applies to CONVICTION OF OBSTRUCTION? Or would you FIGHT it
as Trump is?

Would you react as he is? or would you AGREE to accept charges
just for SUSPECTED ATTEMPT? @nat4000

abortion isnt as bad as murder ,,,it is murder,,,,

the rest of your comment is incoherent babble,,,

Dear progressive hunter
I was addressing nat4900 about the structure and application
of the argument, trying to hold Trump responsible to the opinions of
nat4900 and "64% of people polled."

(As for your belief that abortion is murder, would you equate
"failed attempt at abortion" to be "the same as murder"?)

nat4900 given that you and this "64%" believe in holding
Trump equally responsible for "failed attempts at obstruction"
as you would if Trump were convicted of "obstruction"

My Question to you is still:
Then do YOU agree that if you were in Trump's position
YOU would AGREE to the charges, punishment and sentencing
for "failed attempts at obstruction" that you were accused of
by the same standards of punishing actual "obstruction."

progressive hunter do you understand what I am asking nat4900
A. if nat4900 believes in punishing "failed attempts at obstruction"
the same as actual "obstruction" does this mean nat4900 (and the 64% polled) would agree to be punished if THEY were facing that situation?
Would THEY agree to be punished the same as they are asking for Trump?
B. If not, then WHY push to interpret this law to punish Trump
if THEY would not want such law applied to THEM. Once you
establish a law, it applies to EVERYONE not just select people!
So WHY would anyone insist on interpreting laws
in ways THEY WOULDN'T WANT TO BE UNDER.

^ nat4900 if you are more clear on what I'm asking here ^
can you please answer and/or explain to progressive hunter
what I'm presenting to you? Thank you both! Sorry if this wasn't clear.

what do you mean by failed attempt???
if the child is still alive then no murder happened,,,

as for trump ,,I am not aware of any proof he attempted to obstruct

Plenty of attempts detailed here, with some success.
But with these attempts comes the Barbara Streisand effect.

But, since this number is 64 percent, this means that 36% of Americans either do not know or do not care what the law is.

So, in that logic that the white house uses, if you pull a gun on somebody, but the gun does not fire, because you forgot to put a bullet in it, you do not get charged, because you were to stupid to remember to put a bullet in the chamber?

truthfully this is way down the list of crimes being committed in washington, and anyone trying to focus on this while ignoring all the others is a traitor themselves and should be shot on sight,,,
if it were legal to shoot someone on sight,,,better to just give them a swirly,,,

dont want to break any laws ,,said no democrat or republican ever,,,

 

[Flopper]

Young people are the most progressive generation in history. If young people voted at the same percentage as older people, they could transform this country.

Transforming a country requires transitioning from where we are now to something very specific. And that is where idealism meets realism and realism wins every time.

 

[Geaux4it]

This latest survey (post the redacted Mueller report,) is a bit of "bad news" for Trump.....not only in his attempts to obstruct justice, but ALSO of his incompetence in such attempts.

As a reminder to the simple math challenged, Trump sycophants, 64% is almost 2 out of 3 voters.

Bad news for Trump: 64% of Americans think attempting and failing to obstruct justice is as bad as obstructing justice

How do you obstruct justice on a crime that wasn't committed?

-Geaux

 

[nat4900]

How do you obstruct justice on a crime that wasn't committed?

Simple........The CRIME was to Trump's ego when he surrounded himself with corrupt crooks like Flynn.......Since Flynn was going down for his "misdeeds".....Trump thought.....oh shit this makes me look like a fucking idiot hiring crooks....So, let me ask the FBO director to give my crooked buddy a break.......and if he doesn;t do it.....I'll fire his ass.

Should I go on?

 

[Geaux4it]

How do you obstruct justice on a crime that wasn't committed?

Simple........The CRIME was to Trump's ego when he surrounded himself with corrupt crooks like Flynn.......Since Flynn was going down for his "misdeeds".....Trump thought.....oh shit this makes me look like a fucking idiot hiring crooks....So, let me ask the FBO director to give my crooked buddy a break.......and if he doesn;t do it.....I'll fire his ass.

Should I go on?

lol..... Please continue but maybe take your meds a little sooner then get back with us. Don't forget the lithium

-Geaux

 

[emilynghiem]

This latest survey (post the redacted Mueller report,) is a bit of "bad news" for Trump.....not only in his attempts to obstruct justice, but ALSO of his incompetence in such attempts.

As a reminder to the simple math challenged, Trump sycophants, 64% is almost 2 out of 3 voters.

Bad news for Trump: 64% of Americans think attempting and failing to obstruct justice is as bad as obstructing justice

only as much as attempted murder is as bad as murder

or attempted robbery is as bad as robbery,,,

^ What progressive hunter said ^

Also nat4900 you bring to mind my prolife friends
who believe that aborting an unborn child is as bad as murder.
And ATTEMPTING to abort and FAILING should also be banned as illegal,
the same as murder or attempted murder.

In those cases, when "someone else" equates them as the same,
opponents argue "that's YOUR belief" and believe
"those people can be under that laws, but can't impose it on others"

So in this case, with attempted but failed obstruction of justice,
I'd ask the same of you and the other "64%" of polled voters:
Would YOU agree to have THIS STANDARD applied to YOU:
that if YOU were SUSPECTED of "attempted but failed obstruction"
would YOU agree to confess and accept charges and sentencing
that applies to CONVICTION OF OBSTRUCTION? Or would you FIGHT it
as Trump is?

Would you react as he is? or would you AGREE to accept charges
just for SUSPECTED ATTEMPT? @nat4000

abortion isnt as bad as murder ,,,it is murder,,,,

the rest of your comment is incoherent babble,,,

Dear progressive hunter
I was addressing nat4900 about the structure and application
of the argument, trying to hold Trump responsible to the opinions of
nat4900 and "64% of people polled."

(As for your belief that abortion is murder, would you equate
"failed attempt at abortion" to be "the same as murder"?)

nat4900 given that you and this "64%" believe in holding
Trump equally responsible for "failed attempts at obstruction"
as you would if Trump were convicted of "obstruction"

My Question to you is still:
Then do YOU agree that if you were in Trump's position
YOU would AGREE to the charges, punishment and sentencing
for "failed attempts at obstruction" that you were accused of
by the same standards of punishing actual "obstruction."

progressive hunter do you understand what I am asking nat4900
A. if nat4900 believes in punishing "failed attempts at obstruction"
the same as actual "obstruction" does this mean nat4900 (and the 64% polled) would agree to be punished if THEY were facing that situation?
Would THEY agree to be punished the same as they are asking for Trump?
B. If not, then WHY push to interpret this law to punish Trump
if THEY would not want such law applied to THEM. Once you
establish a law, it applies to EVERYONE not just select people!
So WHY would anyone insist on interpreting laws
in ways THEY WOULDN'T WANT TO BE UNDER.

^ nat4900 if you are more clear on what I'm asking here ^
can you please answer and/or explain to progressive hunter
what I'm presenting to you? Thank you both! Sorry if this wasn't clear.

what do you mean by failed attempt???
if the child is still alive then no murder happened,,,

as for trump ,,I am not aware of any proof he attempted to obstruct

Dear progressive hunter
I was trying to summarize the terms by combining them together,
the question was concerning ATTEMPTED obstruction of justice
(compared with "Obstruction of Justice") and a FAILED attempt vs. a successful
one in which case again that means "Obstruction of Justice."
If you don't agree with the terms I used,
we can go back to how it was originally presented
as an attempt at obstruction of justice that didn't completely succeed in blocking the investigation
(whether you call that failed or not, the issue was comparing an "Attempted Obstruction" with a charge of "Obstruction")
Sorry if this wasn't clear

nat4900
Can you please answer the question:

If you were in Trump's shoes, and polled voters
were arguing that you ATTEMPTING obstruction of justice
was as bad as Obstructing Justice,
would you agree with those polled voters?

Would you contest the accusations and criticisms,
and defend yourself (as Trump is doing) arguing
that there is no proof of any obstruction?

Do I need to post this question in the BULLRING
or can you answer honestly here? Thanks nat4900

I am happy to give you my answer, which is I would
always seek to mediate conflicts directly between parties
to avoid adversarial situations as much as possible.
If they want to accuse me of something I would ask to
meet to redress the grievances, regardless what they call it.
I would call for Christian counselors, legal mediators and
leaders to help resolve the issues on all sides, so a successful
resolution is reached.

If you were in Trump's shoes, would you agree
to the current argument you are backing, that
Obstruction of Justice and ATTEMPT at it are
just as bad - would YOU agree to those charges
if they were made against YOU (not just aimed at Trump).

Thanks nat4900

 

[Flopper]

This latest survey (post the redacted Mueller report,) is a bit of "bad news" for Trump.....not only in his attempts to obstruct justice, but ALSO of his incompetence in such attempts.

As a reminder to the simple math challenged, Trump sycophants, 64% is almost 2 out of 3 voters.

Bad news for Trump: 64% of Americans think attempting and failing to obstruct justice is as bad as obstructing justice

How do you obstruct justice on a crime that wasn't committed?

-Geaux

Because it's obstruction of justice, not obstruction of a crime. Let me remind you, Richard Nixon was charged in his articles of impeachment with “interfering or endeavoring to interfere with the conduct of investigations" In an impeachment there is no requirement to prove that the president violated the law. Congress can charge and impeach a president for bad conduct such as failure to supervise, dereliction of duty, unbecoming conduct, refusal to obey a lawful order, chronic intoxication, or tax evasion, etc....

 

[nat4900]

ecause it's obstruction of justice, not obstruction of a crime. Let me remind you, Richard Nixon was charged in his articles of impeachment with “interfering or endeavoring to interfere with the conduct of investigations" In an impeachment there is no requirement to prove that the president violated the law. Congress can charge and impeach a president for bad conduct such as failure to supervise, dereliction of duty, unbecoming conduct, refusal to obey a lawful order, chronic intoxication, or tax evasion, etc....

Please don't bring up any history to Trump cultists........They get all their history lessons from the notable historians on Fox and Friends