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all I am doing is showing the article is written by a source that is owned by a company in Germany
Most of Trump's lies are exaggerations or is due to his inability to answer simple questions, so he just says whatever comes into his mind.I have no idea where his father was born. I wasnt aware that was even an issue....I agree that if trump issued orders to obstruct, it is bad. The fact that the only reason obstruction didnt take place is because of the insubordination of those working for him, is no excuse.
However, it's hard to speak out on it because the left will not speak out against their own when wrongdoing has occurred.
Had Hillary won, you can bet there would have been no further investigation of her clear and apparent obstruction (destroying evidence, wiping servers etc.)
It's the one thing that is noticable between the two sides. The right will criticize their own, you'll hardly ever find anyone on the left who will do the same.
That must be why we have ZERO Rumpbots who will break down and admit the obvious, that he's repeatedly lying about where his father was born.
SMH Nun so blind, pray for us.
The birthplace isn't. The fact that Rump has been deliberately lying about that birthplace --- in spite of the whole world already knowing it's bullshit, yet he goes right on doing it ---- speaks volumes about his mental issues. And the fact that zero of his cult followers can summon up the stones to admit he's lying through his teeth, addresses your cherrypicking in the post I quoted.
Trump considers his lies just different version of the truth. For example at a rally in an arena, he may want to stimulate the crowd with something positive. So he says isn't this a gorgeous arena and look at this crowd, more than 40,000 true patriots. He never even considers that the arena only holds 10,000 people. That's immaterial. And this is how he approaches just about everything. He never lets facts get in the way of saying what he want to say.
I don't know anything about the poll but it sounds reasonable because many people's expectations of their president are pretty high when it comes to conduct and character. The fact that someone was able to intervene and change what would have been a violation of the law by the president to an attempted violation does not speak well for the integrity and character of the president. In others words, Americans hold their president, including Donald Trump to a higher standard than they do other citizens.Well it seem the poll has been shown for what it is and is another slanted poll the left want to use for their argument against Trump and Russia.
As I pointed out the article is from a German owned company and as another poster pointed out the polling data could be slanted.
Now with that I know Nat will defend the data and website while screaming about the possible Obstruction and Russia influence over our 2016 election..
If you hold Donald Trump to a higher standard then you are just setting yourself up for disappointment.
Donald Trump has a long history in the tabloids and media and anyone with any form of commonsense knows he is a wildcard and threat to even himself.
As for my comment the fact remains the Op'er along with many on the left have been spewing how Russia influenced our election and all I am doing is showing the article is written by a source that is owned by a company in Germany and that it is easy to spin that Germany or England are influencing our election process with their Propaganda just like Russia attempted...
Also how was I cherry picking? You made a reply to my post in which you talk about trumpers not acknowledging trumps lies about his father's birthplace, I simply responded that I didnt know this was even an issue. I've not heard any of the talk shows I listen to even bring it upI have no idea where his father was born. I wasnt aware that was even an issue....I agree that if trump issued orders to obstruct, it is bad. The fact that the only reason obstruction didnt take place is because of the insubordination of those working for him, is no excuse.
However, it's hard to speak out on it because the left will not speak out against their own when wrongdoing has occurred.
Had Hillary won, you can bet there would have been no further investigation of her clear and apparent obstruction (destroying evidence, wiping servers etc.)
It's the one thing that is noticable between the two sides. The right will criticize their own, you'll hardly ever find anyone on the left who will do the same.
That must be why we have ZERO Rumpbots who will break down and admit the obvious, that he's repeatedly lying about where his father was born.
SMH Nun so blind, pray for us.
The birthplace isn't. The fact that Rump has been deliberately lying about that birthplace --- in spite of the whole world already knowing it's bullshit, yet he goes right on doing it ---- speaks volumes about his mental issues. And the fact that zero of his cult followers can summon up the stones to admit he's lying through his teeth, addresses your cherrypicking in the post I quoted.
The right will criticize their own, you'll hardly ever find anyone on the left who will do the same.
all I am doing is showing the article is written by a source that is owned by a company in Germany
Asshole........The o/p is citing a POLL....it is NOT just an article on someone's opinion....its just a fucking poll implemented within the US and responded by US citizens......
Argue about the poll format, if you want, but stop being an asshole about a German company.....
Low IQ Trumpsters show their stupidity without shame.......LOL
Let's put all of this in perspective. LOL!!!!!!This latest survey (post the redacted Mueller report,) is a bit of "bad news" for Trump.....not only in his attempts to obstruct justice, but ALSO of his incompetence in such attempts.
As a reminder to the simple math challenged, Trump sycophants, 64% is almost 2 out of 3 voters.
Bad news for Trump: 64% of Americans think attempting and failing to obstruct justice is as bad as obstructing justice
I agree but I think it's important to understand why he does what he does because we will never get a straight story from Trump. He has, always bent the facts to fit the narrative he is telling about himself, his family, his administration, his country, and his world. For most people, getting something factually wrong in a public setting is disconcerting and embarrassing. That has no effect on Trump. Facts are simply whatever he wants them to be. And they can change, depending on his own circumstances. He tells himself a story of his life in which he is the hero and the winner, and then repeats that story over and over again. He doesn't care if facts get in the way. When the news media calls him out, he ignores it or it's just false news. The worst part is that people are beginning to ask does the truth really matter? Who cares if the president lies about the birthplace of his father, or the size of a crowd, or an extramarital affair, or what some foreign leader said, or a treaty, or an agreement.Most of Trump's lies are exaggerations or is due to his inability to answer simple questions, so he just says whatever comes into his mind.I have no idea where his father was born. I wasnt aware that was even an issue....I agree that if trump issued orders to obstruct, it is bad. The fact that the only reason obstruction didnt take place is because of the insubordination of those working for him, is no excuse.
However, it's hard to speak out on it because the left will not speak out against their own when wrongdoing has occurred.
Had Hillary won, you can bet there would have been no further investigation of her clear and apparent obstruction (destroying evidence, wiping servers etc.)
It's the one thing that is noticable between the two sides. The right will criticize their own, you'll hardly ever find anyone on the left who will do the same.
That must be why we have ZERO Rumpbots who will break down and admit the obvious, that he's repeatedly lying about where his father was born.
SMH Nun so blind, pray for us.
The birthplace isn't. The fact that Rump has been deliberately lying about that birthplace --- in spite of the whole world already knowing it's bullshit, yet he goes right on doing it ---- speaks volumes about his mental issues. And the fact that zero of his cult followers can summon up the stones to admit he's lying through his teeth, addresses your cherrypicking in the post I quoted.
Trump considers his lies just different version of the truth. For example at a rally in an arena, he may want to stimulate the crowd with something positive. So he says isn't this a gorgeous arena and look at this crowd, more than 40,000 true patriots. He never even considers that the arena only holds 10,000 people. That's immaterial. And this is how he approaches just about everything. He never lets facts get in the way of saying what he want to say.
We know all that, but to sum it up as "oh well that's just Rump" is irresponsible. You can't --- can not --- just walk around telling lies about known and quantifiable facts that everybody already knows are lies. The Bronx is not "a wonderful place in Germany" and it never can be, PERIOD. There is literally no planet where that works.
We can dispute, discuss and disagree opinions from one end of the earth to the other but it's impossible to function if we don't agree on the simple question of what Reality is. It's impossible as well as irresponsible to simply declare "my father was born in Germany" when not only do you know damn well he wasn't but the whole world knows damn well he wasn't. That's when you get into Orwellian "two plus two equals five" insanity.
Does it matter where his father was born or how many people are in the arena? No. Does it matter that here's an asshole who thinks he can simply change Reality on his own whim? BIGLY.
And on the greater scale does it matter that his cult followers will decline to call him out on that lie, look straight at a birth certificate clearly emblazoned with the words "STATE OF NEW YORK" across the top, and insist that it means "Germany"? Again, BIGLY.
Also how was I cherry picking? You made a reply to my post in which you talk about trumpers not acknowledging trumps lies about his father's birthplace, I simply responded that I didnt know this was even an issue. I've not heard any of the talk shows I listen to even bring it upI have no idea where his father was born. I wasnt aware that was even an issue....I agree that if trump issued orders to obstruct, it is bad. The fact that the only reason obstruction didnt take place is because of the insubordination of those working for him, is no excuse.
However, it's hard to speak out on it because the left will not speak out against their own when wrongdoing has occurred.
Had Hillary won, you can bet there would have been no further investigation of her clear and apparent obstruction (destroying evidence, wiping servers etc.)
It's the one thing that is noticable between the two sides. The right will criticize their own, you'll hardly ever find anyone on the left who will do the same.
That must be why we have ZERO Rumpbots who will break down and admit the obvious, that he's repeatedly lying about where his father was born.
SMH Nun so blind, pray for us.
The birthplace isn't. The fact that Rump has been deliberately lying about that birthplace --- in spite of the whole world already knowing it's bullshit, yet he goes right on doing it ---- speaks volumes about his mental issues. And the fact that zero of his cult followers can summon up the stones to admit he's lying through his teeth, addresses your cherrypicking in the post I quoted.
"The talk shows you listen to"? That may be a starting point....
"Cherrypicking" applies to this:
The right will criticize their own, you'll hardly ever find anyone on the left who will do the same.
That's your post, it's still sitting right there above.
I then gave you a stunning example of the reverse.
Wanna read it? Exhibit A. And every one of that poster's idiocies thereafter. He sits there and tells the world "his father WAS born in Germany" ---- while staring straight at the man's birth certificate labeled "STATE OF NEW YORK".
Now that's extreme self-delusion. Göbbels would say, "if the Fúhrer wishes it, two plus two equals five!"
And that's insanity, both on the part of the perpetraitor and on the part of the sycophant. In NO way does it constitute "criticizing their own".
Also how was I cherry picking? You made a reply to my post in which you talk about trumpers not acknowledging trumps lies about his father's birthplace, I simply responded that I didnt know this was even an issue. I've not heard any of the talk shows I listen to even bring it upI have no idea where his father was born. I wasnt aware that was even an issue....That must be why we have ZERO Rumpbots who will break down and admit the obvious, that he's repeatedly lying about where his father was born.
SMH Nun so blind, pray for us.
The birthplace isn't. The fact that Rump has been deliberately lying about that birthplace --- in spite of the whole world already knowing it's bullshit, yet he goes right on doing it ---- speaks volumes about his mental issues. And the fact that zero of his cult followers can summon up the stones to admit he's lying through his teeth, addresses your cherrypicking in the post I quoted.
"The talk shows you listen to"? That may be a starting point....
"Cherrypicking" applies to this:
The right will criticize their own, you'll hardly ever find anyone on the left who will do the same.
That's your post, it's still sitting right there above.
I then gave you a stunning example of the reverse.
Wanna read it? Exhibit A. And every one of that poster's idiocies thereafter. He sits there and tells the world "his father WAS born in Germany" ---- while staring straight at the man's birth certificate labeled "STATE OF NEW YORK".
Now that's extreme self-delusion. Göbbels would say, "if the Fúhrer wishes it, two plus two equals five!"
And that's insanity, both on the part of the perpetraitor and on the part of the sycophant. In NO way does it constitute "criticizing their own".
I've stated many times I listen both right wing and left wing radio. The left wing radio I listen to is very partisan and very harsh. They dont hold back, and they all really really dont like trump. If his lying about his fathers birth place was an issue, believe me, they would have brought it up.
My point still stands. Sure, not in every case, will then right bash their own, but they do. It's a trait I've not heard from any of these left wing talk shows I listen to. They just dont do it. To them, all Democrats are justified and do not ever do anything wrong, and they stand behind them no matter what.
The right wing talk show hosts will frequently take other Republicans to task for things they have done wrong.
Make no mistake, however, if the right wing talk hosts feel the Republican was in the right about something, they will defend them, but they are in general, more critical of their own.
Maybe we should lobby to pass an upper age range for POTUS?Also how was I cherry picking? You made a reply to my post in which you talk about trumpers not acknowledging trumps lies about his father's birthplace, I simply responded that I didnt know this was even an issue. I've not heard any of the talk shows I listen to even bring it upI have no idea where his father was born. I wasnt aware that was even an issue....
The birthplace isn't. The fact that Rump has been deliberately lying about that birthplace --- in spite of the whole world already knowing it's bullshit, yet he goes right on doing it ---- speaks volumes about his mental issues. And the fact that zero of his cult followers can summon up the stones to admit he's lying through his teeth, addresses your cherrypicking in the post I quoted.
"The talk shows you listen to"? That may be a starting point....
"Cherrypicking" applies to this:
The right will criticize their own, you'll hardly ever find anyone on the left who will do the same.
That's your post, it's still sitting right there above.
I then gave you a stunning example of the reverse.
Wanna read it? Exhibit A. And every one of that poster's idiocies thereafter. He sits there and tells the world "his father WAS born in Germany" ---- while staring straight at the man's birth certificate labeled "STATE OF NEW YORK".
Now that's extreme self-delusion. Göbbels would say, "if the Fúhrer wishes it, two plus two equals five!"
And that's insanity, both on the part of the perpetraitor and on the part of the sycophant. In NO way does it constitute "criticizing their own".
I've stated many times I listen both right wing and left wing radio. The left wing radio I listen to is very partisan and very harsh. They dont hold back, and they all really really dont like trump. If his lying about his fathers birth place was an issue, believe me, they would have brought it up.
My point still stands. Sure, not in every case, will then right bash their own, but they do. It's a trait I've not heard from any of these left wing talk shows I listen to. They just dont do it. To them, all Democrats are justified and do not ever do anything wrong, and they stand behind them no matter what.
The right wing talk show hosts will frequently take other Republicans to task for things they have done wrong.
Make no mistake, however, if the right wing talk hosts feel the Republican was in the right about something, they will defend them, but they are in general, more critical of their own.
How convenient that you can't back any of this up.
Rump's issue is not that he lies about where his father was born. It's that he has no relationship with REALITY. I don't really give a rat's ass if the purported "left wing radio" you claim to listen to failed to bring it up, it's there and it cannot be denied it's there. And it's repeated over and over.
Again quoting Göbbels: "If the Führer wishes it, two and two make five!". Or in this case if the Furrier wishes it, "the Bronx" is "a very wonderful place in Germany". How the fuck can any organization, let alone a country, function with a head who's completely divorced from reality?
I mean this is really REALLY basic stuff. Generally people with this degree of dementia are watched by nurses.
Also how was I cherry picking? You made a reply to my post in which you talk about trumpers not acknowledging trumps lies about his father's birthplace, I simply responded that I didnt know this was even an issue. I've not heard any of the talk shows I listen to even bring it upI have no idea where his father was born. I wasnt aware that was even an issue....
The birthplace isn't. The fact that Rump has been deliberately lying about that birthplace --- in spite of the whole world already knowing it's bullshit, yet he goes right on doing it ---- speaks volumes about his mental issues. And the fact that zero of his cult followers can summon up the stones to admit he's lying through his teeth, addresses your cherrypicking in the post I quoted.
"The talk shows you listen to"? That may be a starting point....
"Cherrypicking" applies to this:
The right will criticize their own, you'll hardly ever find anyone on the left who will do the same.
That's your post, it's still sitting right there above.
I then gave you a stunning example of the reverse.
Wanna read it? Exhibit A. And every one of that poster's idiocies thereafter. He sits there and tells the world "his father WAS born in Germany" ---- while staring straight at the man's birth certificate labeled "STATE OF NEW YORK".
Now that's extreme self-delusion. Göbbels would say, "if the Fúhrer wishes it, two plus two equals five!"
And that's insanity, both on the part of the perpetraitor and on the part of the sycophant. In NO way does it constitute "criticizing their own".
I've stated many times I listen both right wing and left wing radio. The left wing radio I listen to is very partisan and very harsh. They dont hold back, and they all really really dont like trump. If his lying about his fathers birth place was an issue, believe me, they would have brought it up.
My point still stands. Sure, not in every case, will then right bash their own, but they do. It's a trait I've not heard from any of these left wing talk shows I listen to. They just dont do it. To them, all Democrats are justified and do not ever do anything wrong, and they stand behind them no matter what.
The right wing talk show hosts will frequently take other Republicans to task for things they have done wrong.
Make no mistake, however, if the right wing talk hosts feel the Republican was in the right about something, they will defend them, but they are in general, more critical of their own.
How convenient that you can't back any of this up.
Rump's issue is not that he lies about where his father was born. It's that he has no relationship with REALITY. I don't really give a rat's ass if the purported "left wing radio" you claim to listen to failed to bring it up, it's there and it cannot be denied it's there. And it's repeated over and over.
Again quoting Göbbels: "If the Führer wishes it, two and two make five!". Or in this case if the Furrier wishes it, "the Bronx" is "a very wonderful place in Germany". How the fuck can any organization, let alone a country, function with a head who's completely divorced from reality?
I mean this is really REALLY basic stuff. Generally people with this degree of dementia are watched by nurses.
This latest survey (post the redacted Mueller report,) is a bit of "bad news" for Trump.....not only in his attempts to obstruct justice, but ALSO of his incompetence in such attempts.
As a reminder to the simple math challenged, Trump sycophants, 64% is almost 2 out of 3 voters.
Bad news for Trump: 64% of Americans think attempting and failing to obstruct justice is as bad as obstructing justice
This is like asking people if it’s still wrong to try trip someone unsuccessfully. No shit Sherlock. Too bad this doesn’t apply to trump. The first question is, is how does one have intent to obstruct a crime they didn’t commit? Further how do you prove and prosecute this? It’s an oxymoron.This latest survey (post the redacted Mueller report,) is a bit of "bad news" for Trump.....not only in his attempts to obstruct justice, but ALSO of his incompetence in such attempts.
As a reminder to the simple math challenged, Trump sycophants, 64% is almost 2 out of 3 voters.
Bad news for Trump: 64% of Americans think attempting and failing to obstruct justice is as bad as obstructing justice
only as much as attempted murder is as bad as murderThis latest survey (post the redacted Mueller report,) is a bit of "bad news" for Trump.....not only in his attempts to obstruct justice, but ALSO of his incompetence in such attempts.
As a reminder to the simple math challenged, Trump sycophants, 64% is almost 2 out of 3 voters.
Bad news for Trump: 64% of Americans think attempting and failing to obstruct justice is as bad as obstructing justice
or attempted robbery is as bad as robbery,,,
This latest survey (post the redacted Mueller report,) is a bit of "bad news" for Trump.....not only in his attempts to obstruct justice, but ALSO of his incompetence in such attempts.
As a reminder to the simple math challenged, Trump sycophants, 64% is almost 2 out of 3 voters.
Bad news for Trump: 64% of Americans think attempting and failing to obstruct justice is as bad as obstructing justice
only as much as attempted murder is as bad as murderThis latest survey (post the redacted Mueller report,) is a bit of "bad news" for Trump.....not only in his attempts to obstruct justice, but ALSO of his incompetence in such attempts.
As a reminder to the simple math challenged, Trump sycophants, 64% is almost 2 out of 3 voters.
Bad news for Trump: 64% of Americans think attempting and failing to obstruct justice is as bad as obstructing justice
or attempted robbery is as bad as robbery,,,
^ What progressive hunter said ^
Also nat4900 you bring to mind my prolife friends
who believe that aborting an unborn child is as bad as murder.
And ATTEMPTING to abort and FAILING should also be banned as illegal,
the same as murder or attempted murder.
In those cases, when "someone else" equates them as the same,
opponents argue "that's YOUR belief" and believe
"those people can be under that laws, but can't impose it on others"
So in this case, with attempted but failed obstruction of justice,
I'd ask the same of you and the other "64%" of polled voters:
Would YOU agree to have THIS STANDARD applied to YOU:
that if YOU were SUSPECTED of "attempted but failed obstruction"
would YOU agree to confess and accept charges and sentencing
that applies to CONVICTION OF OBSTRUCTION? Or would you FIGHT it
as Trump is?
Would you react as he is? or would you AGREE to accept charges
just for SUSPECTED ATTEMPT? @nat4000
