74 school shootings in 77 weeks...Worth it's own thread.

[KissMy]

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[Skull Pilot]

A combination of the laws I suggested would help reduce all gun related murders

AGAIN, I ASK

What law would have stopped the incident in Troutdale?

Be specific in your answer

No one single law is a magic fix. Only simple minded people think so simplistically.

It seems that the more than 20,000 gun laws on the books aren't a fix.

 

[Skull Pilot]

"Guns kept in homes are more likely to be involved in a fatal or nonfatal accidental shooting, criminal assault, or suicide attempt than to be used to injure or kill in self-defense."

Injuries and deaths due to firearms in the home. [J Trauma. 1998] - PubMed - NCBI

There are always accidents and suicides don't count.

We cannot use accidents or suicides as a measure of the effectiveness of firearms for self defense.

To me a firearm in my home is an acceptable risk. That is MY decision to make and not yours.

Right you're perfectly ok with kids being shot and murdered on a regular basis. Glad you've clarified that for us. And I'm glad you acknowledge that your precious toys aren't keeping anyone safer.

Don't be an idiot.

How is my owning a firearm the cause of kids getting shot?

 

[TemplarKormac]

74 school shootings in the past 77 weeks.

Not 74 chemical bombings, not 74 stabbings, not 74 bows and arrows, not 74 hatchet attacks. The common denominator (do I need to define that term for you?) is guns.

If you Ammo-sexuals want to keep, sleep with and insert your guns into your privates because I really think it's that sick, then figure out a way to stop this epidemic.

This data tells me that the parents of these kids are pretty much out of touch with their kids, so start with them.

Do something besides shoving the 2nd Amendment in my face and whining about your fucking rights. Your rights end when innocent people who cannot protect themselves die.

School Shootings in America Since Sandy Hook | Everytown for Gun Safety - School Shootings in America Since Sandy Hook

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Date
City
State
School Name
School Type
1. 1/08/2013 Fort Myers FL Apostolic Revival Center Christian School K-12
2. 1/10/2013 Taft CA Taft Union High School K-12
3. 1/15/2013 St. Louis MO Stevens Institute of Business & Arts College/University
4. 1/15/2013 Hazard KY Hazard Community and Technical College College/University
5. 1/16/2013 Chicago IL Chicago State University College/University
6. 1/22/2013
Houston TX Lone Star College North Harris Campus College/University
7. 1/31/2013 Atlanta GA Price Middle School K-12
8. 2/1/2013 Atlanta GA Morehouse College College/University
9. 2/7/2013 Fort Pierce FL Indian River St. College College/University
10. 2/13/2013 San Leandro CA Hillside Elementary School K-12
11. 2/27/2013 Atlanta GA Henry W. Grady HS K-12
12. 3/18/2013 Orlando FL University of Central Florida College/University
13. 3/21/2013 Southgate MI Davidson Middle School K-12
14. 4/12/2013 Christianburg VA New River Community College College/University
15. 4/13/2013 Elizabeth City NC Elizabeth City State University College/University
16. 4/15/2013 Grambling LA Grambling State University College/University
17. 4/16/2013 Tuscaloosa AL Stillman College College/University
18. 4/29/2013 Cincinnati OH La Salle High School K-12
19. 6/7/2013 Santa Monica CA Santa Monica College College/University
20. 6/19/2013 W. Palm Beach FL Alexander W. Dreyfoos School of the Arts K-12
21. 8/15/2013 Clarksville TN Northwest High School K-12
22. 8/20/2013 Decatur GA Ronald E. McNair Discovery Learning Academy K-12
23. 8/22/2013 Memphis TN Westside Elementary School K-12
24. 8/23/2013 Sardis MS North Panola High School K-12
25. 8/30/2013 Winston-Salem NC Carver High School K-12
26. 9/21/2013 Savannah GA Savannah State University College/University
27. 9/28/2013 Gray ME New Gloucester High School K-12
28. 10/4/2013 Pine Hills FL Agape Christian Academy K-12
29. 10/15/2013 Austin TX Lanier High School K-12
30. 10/21/2013 Sparks NV Sparks Middle School K-12
31. 11/1/2013 Algona IA Algona High/Middle School K-12
32. 11/2/2013 Greensboro NC North Carolina A&T State University College/University
33. 11/3/2013 Stone Mountain GA Stephenson High School K-12
34. 11/21/2013 Rapid City SD South Dakota School of Mines & Technology College/University
35. 12/4/2013 Winter Garden FL West Orange High School K-12
36. 12/13/2013 Arapahoe County CO Arapahoe High School K-12
37. 12/19/2013 Fresno CA Edison High School K-12
38. 1/9/2014 Jackson TN Liberty Technology Magnet HS K-12
39. 1/14/2014 Roswell NM Berrendo Middle School K-12
40. 1/15/2014 Lancaster PA Martin Luther King Jr. ES K-12
41. 1/17/2014 Philadelphia PA Delaware Valley Charter HS K-12
42. 1/20/2014 Chester PA Widener University College/University
43. 1/21/2014 West Lafayette IN Purdue University College/University
44. 1/24/2014 Orangeburg SC South Carolina State University College/University
45. 1/28/2014 Nashville TN Tennessee State University College/University
46. 1/28/2014 Grambling LA Grambling State University College/University
47. 1/30/2014 Palm Bay FL Eastern Florida State College College/University
48. 1/31/2014 Phoenix AZ Cesar Chavez High School K-12
49. 1/31/2014 Des Moines IA North High School K-12
50. 2/7/2014 Bend OR Bend High School K-12
51. 2/10/2014 Salisbury NC Salisbury High School K-12
52. 2/11/2014 Lyndhurst OH Brush High School K-12
53. 2/12/2014 Jackson TN Union University College/University
54. 2/20/2014 Raytown MO Raytown Success Academy K-12
55. 3/2/2014 Westminster MD McDaniel College College/University
56. 3/7/2014 Tallulah LA Madison High School K-12
57. 3/8/2014 Oshkosh WI University of Wisconsin – Oshkosh College/University
58. 3/21/2014 Newark DE University of Delaware College/University
59. 3/30/2014 Savannah GA Savannah State University College/University
60. 4/3/2014 Kent OH Kent State University College/University
61. 4/7/2014 Roswell NM Eastern New Mexico University-Roswell College/University
62. 4/11/2014 Detroit MI East English Village Preparatory Academy K-12
63. 4/21/2014 Griffith IN St. Mary Catholic School K-12
64. 4/21/2014 Provo UT Provo High School K-12
65. 4/26/2014 Council Bluffs IA Iowa Western Community College College/University
66. 5/2/2014 Milwaukee WI Marquette University College/University
67. 5/3/2014 Everett WA Horizon Elementary School K-12
68. 5/4/2014 Augusta GA Paine College College/University
69. 5/5/2014 Augusta GA Paine College College/University
70. 5/8/2014 Georgetown KY Georgetown College College/University
71. 5/8/2014 Lawrenceville GA Georgia Gwinnett College College/University
72. 5/21/2014 Milwaukee WI Clark Street School K-12
73. 6/5/2014 Seattle WA Seattle Pacific University College/University
74. 6/10/2014 Troutdale OR Reynolds High School K-12

Well, NoTea, don't let us stop you from making politics out of death.

 

[Esmeralda]

what you are advocating is total disarmament....

In the wake of the 1996 shootings, support for further gun control measures swelled to 90%-95% of the population. Spearheaded by Australia's conservatives — yes, really — the laws banned rapid-firing long guns and launched an extensive gun buyback program that removed over 650,000 guns from the public. It also tightened laws and regulations surrounding their sale, registration, and storage. The whole package cost about $500 per gun and was compulsory.

As a result, some estimates say 20% of Australia's total guns were eliminated and ownership by household halved. In the U.S., a similar law would get rid of 40 million firearms.

which is akin to disarmament without probable cause. You see we have this concept in this country that you are innocent until proven guilty. What Australia did was assume their people were guilty straight up & then punished them without due process.

What a stupid, illogical argument. It's like saying we shouldn't have laws against driving under the influence of alchol because not everyone who does that causes an accident or kills someone. How stupid can you get?

 

[Skull Pilot]

In the wake of the 1996 shootings, support for further gun control measures swelled to 90%-95% of the population. Spearheaded by Australia's conservatives — yes, really — the laws banned rapid-firing long guns and launched an extensive gun buyback program that removed over 650,000 guns from the public. It also tightened laws and regulations surrounding their sale, registration, and storage. The whole package cost about $500 per gun and was compulsory.

As a result, some estimates say 20% of Australia's total guns were eliminated and ownership by household halved. In the U.S., a similar law would get rid of 40 million firearms.

which is akin to disarmament without probable cause. You see we have this concept in this country that you are innocent until proven guilty. What Australia did was assume their people were guilty straight up & then punished them without due process.

What a stupid, illogical argument. It's like saying we shouldn't have laws against driving under the influence of alchol because not everyone who does that causes an accident or kills someone. How stupid can you get?

It's just as stupid as saying all gun owners are a threat to society.

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah, idiot is right, but you need a mirror.

To everyone else on this thread, these are the complete morons we have to defeat. You can't reason with someone this stupid. You just have flat out defeat them at the vote. You have to protest these morons. You have organize and vote out of office these morons.

How do you reason with some idiot that says "your rights are not your rights, and they never were your rights. It was all a big gag by the founding fathers. A punch line in the constitution"

You can't educate these idiots. You can't debate these idiots. You just have to point out their lies, and fight them, and defeat them. There's nothing else you can do with morons that are this stupid.

Or we just ignore your circular logic that what a bunch of Slave Rapists said 230 years ago really applies today.

Forget if they were talking about gun ownership or militias. Is there a good reason TODAY to let every citizen- even the ones who are crazy or criminally inclined - to own a gun?

Maybe it might have made sense in 1787 when you had no standing armies or police forces and encounters with hostile natives or wild animals was still a common thing.

But does it make sense today?

Well. No.

The two reasons gun nuts give is that 1) We need to protect our families from Criminals and 2) We need to fight the government if it ever turns tyrannical (i.e. they elect some shiftless negro.)

Well, 1) is pretty nutty, because Defensive Gun Uses are rare. The Kellerman Study found that for every bad guy killed, 43 household members died from that gun bought for protection.

2) is actually batshit crazy. The government has tanks and drones and nukes and if they ever decided that you were too much trouble to let live, they could easily find a way to make you dead.

So, no, enduring 32,000 gun deaths a year because you think you have a right to satisfy crazy notions is just silly.

 

[Esmeralda]

which is akin to disarmament without probable cause. You see we have this concept in this country that you are innocent until proven guilty. What Australia did was assume their people were guilty straight up & then punished them without due process.

What a stupid, illogical argument. It's like saying we shouldn't have laws against driving under the influence of alchol because not everyone who does that causes an accident or kills someone. How stupid can you get?

It's just as stupid as saying all gun owners are a threat to society.

No it isn't. You don't have any idea how to think logically do you? Anyone in possession of a gun can cause bodily harm to someone else or to himself, whether it is intentional or inadvertent. And, based on what most of the pro-gun people on this board post, people who own guns are definitely people who could very well be a threat to society: they are angry people and trigger happy.

 

[Skull Pilot]

What a stupid, illogical argument. It's like saying we shouldn't have laws against driving under the influence of alchol because not everyone who does that causes an accident or kills someone. How stupid can you get?

It's just as stupid as saying all gun owners are a threat to society.

No it isn't. You don't have any idea how to think logically do you? Anyone in possession of a gun can cause bodily harm to someone else or to himself, whether it is intentional or inadvertent. And, based on what most of the pro-gun people on this board post, people who own guns are definitely people who could very well be a threat to society: they are angry people and trigger happy.

Anyone can cause harm to anyone with or without a gun.

And please tell me how many gun owners posting here have pointed a weapon at a person and shot them. Since you seem to know that they are all trigger happy you must be able to prove it.

FYI the vast majority of gun owners will never shoot anyone.

 

[Geaux4it]

What a stupid, illogical argument. It's like saying we shouldn't have laws against driving under the influence of alchol because not everyone who does that causes an accident or kills someone. How stupid can you get?

It's just as stupid as saying all gun owners are a threat to society.

No it isn't. You don't have any idea how to think logically do you? Anyone in possession of a gun can cause bodily harm to someone else or to himself, whether it is intentional or inadvertent. And, based on what most of the pro-gun people on this board post, people who own guns are definitely people who could very well be a threat to society: they are angry people and trigger happy.

 

[Esmeralda]

It's just as stupid as saying all gun owners are a threat to society.

No it isn't. You don't have any idea how to think logically do you? Anyone in possession of a gun can cause bodily harm to someone else or to himself, whether it is intentional or inadvertent. And, based on what most of the pro-gun people on this board post, people who own guns are definitely people who could very well be a threat to society: they are angry people and trigger happy.

Anyone can cause harm to anyone with or without a gun.

And please tell me how many gun owners posting here have pointed a weapon at a person and shot them. Since you seem to know that they are all trigger happy you must be able to prove it.

FYI the vast majority of gun owners will never shoot anyone.

It's very obvious to me you are pretty unstable, and if I had the choice, I would not want someone like you to be in possession of a firearm.

 

[rightwinger]

It's just as stupid as saying all gun owners are a threat to society.

No it isn't. You don't have any idea how to think logically do you? Anyone in possession of a gun can cause bodily harm to someone else or to himself, whether it is intentional or inadvertent. And, based on what most of the pro-gun people on this board post, people who own guns are definitely people who could very well be a threat to society: they are angry people and trigger happy.

Anyone can cause harm to anyone with or without a gun.

And please tell me how many gun owners posting here have pointed a weapon at a person and shot them. Since you seem to know that they are all trigger happy you must be able to prove it.

FYI the vast majority of gun owners will never shoot anyone.

I am very proud of you and am sure you will never shoot anyone. Can I be sure you won't sell a gun to someone who will?

 

[Geaux4it]

No it isn't. You don't have any idea how to think logically do you? Anyone in possession of a gun can cause bodily harm to someone else or to himself, whether it is intentional or inadvertent. And, based on what most of the pro-gun people on this board post, people who own guns are definitely people who could very well be a threat to society: they are angry people and trigger happy.

Anyone can cause harm to anyone with or without a gun.

And please tell me how many gun owners posting here have pointed a weapon at a person and shot them. Since you seem to know that they are all trigger happy you must be able to prove it.

FYI the vast majority of gun owners will never shoot anyone.

I am very proud of you and am sure you will never shoot anyone. Can I be sure you won't sell a gun to someone who will?

Actually, gun owners tend to keep their firearms for generations. It's tradition in many areas to pass them down from generation to generation.

-Geaux

 

[Skull Pilot]

No it isn't. You don't have any idea how to think logically do you? Anyone in possession of a gun can cause bodily harm to someone else or to himself, whether it is intentional or inadvertent. And, based on what most of the pro-gun people on this board post, people who own guns are definitely people who could very well be a threat to society: they are angry people and trigger happy.

Anyone can cause harm to anyone with or without a gun.

And please tell me how many gun owners posting here have pointed a weapon at a person and shot them. Since you seem to know that they are all trigger happy you must be able to prove it.

FYI the vast majority of gun owners will never shoot anyone.

I am very proud of you and am sure you will never shoot anyone. Can I be sure you won't sell a gun to someone who will?

I have never sold a firearm in a private sale.

I have traded them in with a dealer when buying a new weapon.

My record speaks for itself. I have been shooting since I was a kid. Got my first .22 when i was 16 which stayed locked in my uncle's gun safe and I was only allowed to use it in his direct supervision.

I have owned firearms legally since I was 18 I am now 48. I have never once discharged a weapon accidentally, never once pointed a weapon at a person, never once allowed another person to use my firearms and never once shot anyone.

But yeah I'm a danger to society.

Sorry but you will never convince me that I should have to have my behavior restricted because some third party might do something illegal.

 

[Skull Pilot]

No it isn't. You don't have any idea how to think logically do you? Anyone in possession of a gun can cause bodily harm to someone else or to himself, whether it is intentional or inadvertent. And, based on what most of the pro-gun people on this board post, people who own guns are definitely people who could very well be a threat to society: they are angry people and trigger happy.

Anyone can cause harm to anyone with or without a gun.

And please tell me how many gun owners posting here have pointed a weapon at a person and shot them. Since you seem to know that they are all trigger happy you must be able to prove it.

FYI the vast majority of gun owners will never shoot anyone.

It's very obvious to me you are pretty unstable, and if I had the choice, I would not want someone like you to be in possession of a firearm.

It's very obvious to me that you think you know me and you don't.

 

[rightwinger]

Anyone can cause harm to anyone with or without a gun.

And please tell me how many gun owners posting here have pointed a weapon at a person and shot them. Since you seem to know that they are all trigger happy you must be able to prove it.

FYI the vast majority of gun owners will never shoot anyone.

I am very proud of you and am sure you will never shoot anyone. Can I be sure you won't sell a gun to someone who will?

I have never sold a firearm in a private sale.

I have traded them in with a dealer when buying a new weapon.

My record speaks for itself. I have been shooting since I was a kid. Got my first .22 when i was 16 which stayed locked in my uncle's gun safe and I was only allowed to use it in his direct supervision.

I have owned forearms legally since I was 18 I am now 48. I have never once discharged a weapon accidentally, never once pointed a weapon at a person, never once allowed another person to use my forearms and never once shot anyone.

But yeah I'm a danger to society.

Sorry but you will never convince me that I should have to have my behavior restricted because some third party might do something illegal.

Once again, I am very proud of you

But how do we cut the flow of weapons to gangbangers and crazies if we leave the back door open to unrestricted private sales?
What is wrong with you having to check the background check database before you sell your Glock to a gangbanger? You want to sell your gun, go down to the local gun shop or police station and they will check everything out for you

 

[Skull Pilot]

I am very proud of you and am sure you will never shoot anyone. Can I be sure you won't sell a gun to someone who will?

I have never sold a firearm in a private sale.

I have traded them in with a dealer when buying a new weapon.

My record speaks for itself. I have been shooting since I was a kid. Got my first .22 when i was 16 which stayed locked in my uncle's gun safe and I was only allowed to use it in his direct supervision.

I have owned forearms legally since I was 18 I am now 48. I have never once discharged a weapon accidentally, never once pointed a weapon at a person, never once allowed another person to use my forearms and never once shot anyone.

But yeah I'm a danger to society.

Sorry but you will never convince me that I should have to have my behavior restricted because some third party might do something illegal.

Once again, I am very proud of you

But how do we cut the flow of weapons to gangbangers and crazies if we leave the back door open to unrestricted private sales?
What is wrong with you having to check the background check database before you sell your Glock to a gangbanger? You want to sell your gun, go down to the local gun shop or police station and they will check everything out for you

I don't care what you think of me the "I'm proud of you " rings more as a hollow insult than anything else so just cut that shit out OK?

I've given my opinion.

You can try to prevent criminals from getting guns and most likely you will fail.

We can't stop the illegal sale of drugs why on earth would you think you can stop the illegal sale of firearms or anything else for that matter?

IMO Our best option is to make all crimes committed while in the possession of a firearm, whether or not that firearm was actually used or even brandished, federal offenses punishable by a mandatory life sentence without the possibility of parole.

People who commit crimes while in possession of a firearm are dangers to society and should be removed from society for good.

 

[rightwinger]

I have never sold a firearm in a private sale.

I have traded them in with a dealer when buying a new weapon.

My record speaks for itself. I have been shooting since I was a kid. Got my first .22 when i was 16 which stayed locked in my uncle's gun safe and I was only allowed to use it in his direct supervision.

I have owned forearms legally since I was 18 I am now 48. I have never once discharged a weapon accidentally, never once pointed a weapon at a person, never once allowed another person to use my forearms and never once shot anyone.

But yeah I'm a danger to society.

Sorry but you will never convince me that I should have to have my behavior restricted because some third party might do something illegal.

Once again, I am very proud of you

But how do we cut the flow of weapons to gangbangers and crazies if we leave the back door open to unrestricted private sales?
What is wrong with you having to check the background check database before you sell your Glock to a gangbanger? You want to sell your gun, go down to the local gun shop or police station and they will check everything out for you

I don't care what you think of me the "I'm proud of you " rings more as a hollow insult than anything else so just cut that shit out OK?

I've given my opinion.

You can try to prevent criminals from getting guns and most likely you will fail.

We can't stop the illegal sale of drugs why on earth would you think you can stop the illegal sale of firearms or anything else for that matter?

IMO Our best option is to make all crimes committed while in the possession of a firearm, whether or not that firearm was actually used or even brandished, federal offenses punishable by a mandatory life sentence without the possibility of parole.

People who commit crimes while in possession of a firearm are dangers to society and should be removed from society for good.

I think everyone agrees that gangbangers are a major contributor to our murder rate. They make you, as a good guy, look bad for owning a gun. We need to do everything we can to dry up the supply of guns.
Will we stop every gun from getting in the hands of criminals? Of course not. But if we can cut 20%, that is 20% less guns on the street
Prison is not our answer to guns or drugs. We have a larger percentage of our citizens in prison than anywhere on earth. It is obviously not working

 

[Skull Pilot]

Once again, I am very proud of you

But how do we cut the flow of weapons to gangbangers and crazies if we leave the back door open to unrestricted private sales?
What is wrong with you having to check the background check database before you sell your Glock to a gangbanger? You want to sell your gun, go down to the local gun shop or police station and they will check everything out for you

I don't care what you think of me the "I'm proud of you " rings more as a hollow insult than anything else so just cut that shit out OK?

I've given my opinion.

You can try to prevent criminals from getting guns and most likely you will fail.

We can't stop the illegal sale of drugs why on earth would you think you can stop the illegal sale of firearms or anything else for that matter?

IMO Our best option is to make all crimes committed while in the possession of a firearm, whether or not that firearm was actually used or even brandished, federal offenses punishable by a mandatory life sentence without the possibility of parole.

People who commit crimes while in possession of a firearm are dangers to society and should be removed from society for good.

I think everyone agrees that gangbangers are a major contributor to our murder rate. They make you, as a good guy, look bad for owning a gun. We need to do everything we can to dry up the supply of guns.
Will we stop every gun from getting in the hands of criminals? Of course not. But if we can cut 20%, that is 20% less guns on the street
Prison is not our answer to guns or drugs. We have a larger percentage of our citizens in prison than anywhere on earth. It is obviously not working

We lock up nonviolent offenders for bullshit things. I'm one for legalizing drugs and emptying the prisons of non violent drug offenders.

We should lock up violent people for good.

And I don't believe that some idiot gun owner makes me look bad just as a drunk driver doesn't make all drivers look bad..

 

[Redfish]

Once again, I am very proud of you

But how do we cut the flow of weapons to gangbangers and crazies if we leave the back door open to unrestricted private sales?
What is wrong with you having to check the background check database before you sell your Glock to a gangbanger? You want to sell your gun, go down to the local gun shop or police station and they will check everything out for you

I don't care what you think of me the "I'm proud of you " rings more as a hollow insult than anything else so just cut that shit out OK?

I've given my opinion.

You can try to prevent criminals from getting guns and most likely you will fail.

We can't stop the illegal sale of drugs why on earth would you think you can stop the illegal sale of firearms or anything else for that matter?

IMO Our best option is to make all crimes committed while in the possession of a firearm, whether or not that firearm was actually used or even brandished, federal offenses punishable by a mandatory life sentence without the possibility of parole.

People who commit crimes while in possession of a firearm are dangers to society and should be removed from society for good.

I think everyone agrees that gangbangers are a major contributor to our murder rate. They make you, as a good guy, look bad for owning a gun. We need to do everything we can to dry up the supply of guns.
Will we stop every gun from getting in the hands of criminals? Of course not. But if we can cut 20%, that is 20% less guns on the street
Prison is not our answer to guns or drugs. We have a larger percentage of our citizens in prison than anywhere on earth. It is obviously not working

the answer is simple

murder with a gun-----------death sentence, executed 30 days after conviction.

robbery with a gun-------------1st offence 10 years, 2nd offence death.