A Case For Concealed Carry Permits?

[PoliticalChic]

The following is a shocking occurrence from Woolwich, England....but could have occurred anywhere.

Take note of how long before police arrived.

1." Woolwich major incident: Live updates after 'soldier wearing Help for Heroes t-shirt is beheaded in broad daylight'

2. A man - believed to be a soldier wearing a Help for Heroes t-shirt - was hacked to death in the street today. Armed police called to the scene near the Royal Artillery Barracks in Woolwich, London, shot and injured two suspects.


3. One witness, identified as James, said he and his partner saw two black men attack the young man with kitchen knives like he was "a piece of meat".

"They were hacking at this poor guy, literally," he told LBC. "They were hacking at him, chopping him, cutting him.

4. "They dragged him from the pavement and dumped his body in the middle of the road and left his body there." He said that after the "horrendous" attack, the two men, in their 20s, just stood around, waving knives and a gun, even asking people nearby to take pictures of them "as if they wanted to be on TV or something".




5. Some "brave" women tried to shield the man on the ground from them, he added. He also said that it was 20 minutes before armed police arrived at the scene.

6."The circumstances causing the incident are not yet clear...."We think a serving soldier was the victim. We don't know the circumstances surrounding the incident.

7. "We do know a number of weapons have been seized. They include a gun, various knives, and a machete, apparently.




8. Eyewitness Graham Wilders described two men surrounding another.
He told the BBC: "I saw two people lying over him and I thought they were trying to resuscitate him. I went down to the garage and another bloke come along and told me they were actually stabbing him.

9. Government sources have told ITV News that they believe the Woolwich incident was deliberately filmed and at least one of attackers shouted "Allahu Akbar".
Woolwich major incident: Live updates after 'soldier wearing Help for Heroes t-shirt is beheaded in broad daylight' - Mirror Online

And: Woolwich attack: 'Soldier' wearing Help for Heroes t-shirt hacked to death in broad daylight - Mirror Online



[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmxSqoFsrRw]'Shootings' And 'Machete Attack' In South East London - YouTube[/ame]

 

[PoliticalChic]

"British PM calls emergency meeting after soldier's beheading in London"


Read more at: British PM calls emergency meeting after soldier's beheading in London : Europe, News - India Today

 

[Swagger]

People have always believed the utter garbage that the handgun ban was to protect the public. What a joke. I've said it before and I'll say it again: How do you really think the fog of multiculturalism would've been allowed to descend if our politicians feared the possibility of being confronted by disenchanted voters with concealable weapons? Of course not. It was enacted to protect the politicians who were told by Brussels to open the floodgates to the Third World to dilute and subdue the populace through divide and conquer tactics.

Multiculturalism has always had fetid stench of the E.U. about it. And "asylum seekers" from the Third World are their biological weapons.

 

[theHawk]

It's sad, that European countries disarm their own citizens, import this Islamic trash, leaving them at the mercy of third world thugs.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Perhaps banning terms such as 'Islamofascist' and 'war on terror,' granting asylum freely, calling clear religious hatred 'work place violence,'....


...may not be the most efficacious....

....no, the most intelligent course of action to protect our citizens.


Ya' think?



Wait....maybe it was re-electing the mistake-in-the-White House!
That's it!

 

[PoliticalChic]

People have always believed the utter garbage that the handgun ban was to protect the public. What a joke. I've said it before and I'll say it again: How do you really think the fog of multiculturalism would've been allowed to descend if our politicians feared the possibility of being confronted by disenchanted voters with concealable weapons? Of course not. It was enacted to protect the politicians who were told by Brussels to open the floodgates to the Third World to dilute and subdue the populace through divide and conquer tactics.

Multiculturalism has always had fetid stench of the E.U. about it. And "asylum seekers" from the Third World are their biological weapons.

EU?

Pee-yew!

 

[Freemason9]

Perhaps banning terms such as 'Islamofascist' and 'war on terror,' granting asylum freely, calling clear religious hatred 'work place violence,'....


...may not be the most efficacious....

....no, the most intelligent course of action to protect our citizens.


Ya' think?



Wait....maybe it was re-electing the mistake-in-the-White House!
That's it!

LOL

you blamed obama for this crime that occured in england

 

[boedicca]

More guns, less crime:

 

[Freemason9]

More guns, less crime:

The graphic is interesting, boedicca, but your inference is misdirected. You see that low-crime areas correlate with liberal gun ownership rights, and you infer that the latter CREATED the former circumstance.

But the reverse MIGHT be true.

It MAY be that higher crime areas result in tighter gun regulation.

Do you understand? You cannot infer that one causes the other based upon this simple correlation.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Perhaps banning terms such as 'Islamofascist' and 'war on terror,' granting asylum freely, calling clear religious hatred 'work place violence,'....


...may not be the most efficacious....

....no, the most intelligent course of action to protect our citizens.


Ya' think?



Wait....maybe it was re-electing the mistake-in-the-White House!
That's it!

LOL

you blamed obama for this crime that occured in england

Didn't you read the first sentence in the post to which you are ostensibly responding???

 

[waltky]

The lady who interviewed the terrorist...

Cub Scout leader, ex-teacher confronted London terrorist
Thu May 23, 2013 - Ingrid Loyau-Kennett was on a bus when she saw what looked like a car wreck; She decided to get off the bus to help but realized a man had been hacked to death; She kept talking to a man who held a bloody knife to distract him; The man told her that he hacked a British soldier to avenge killings of Muslims, she said

Wednesday afternoon, former teacher Ingrid Loyau-Kennett was just a passenger on a bus passing through southeast London. Thursday she was being hailed as one incredibly brave woman who confronted a man seconds after he hacked a British soldier to death in broad daylight. It began when Loyau-Kennett, a Cub Scout leader, peered out of her window on the Number 53 bus, according to London's Guardian newspaper. She saw a car that looked like it had crashed and a man on the sidewalk. "I thought it was a bit bizarre," she said.

The victim killed in a cleaver attack Wednesday was identified as Drummer Lee Rigby of 2nd Battalion The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers. The brutal killing of Rigby shocked the United Kingdom, with Prime Minister David Cameron saying the act appears to have been a terrorist attack.

Thinking she could help, she got off the bus and hurried toward the bloody man. "When I approached the body, there was a lady cradling him," Loyau-Kennett said on ITV's "Daybreak" Thursday morning. She took stock of who was around. There were two men with weapons including a butcher knife and a meat cleaver. She earlier told the London Daily Telegraph one had a revolver. One man's arm and hand were soaked in blood. "The guy who was the most excited of the two said, 'Don't go too close to the body,'" she recalled.

Her eyes zeroed in on the man's weapon and the blood. In a few seconds, Loyau-Kennett's mind tried to process what she was seeing. "I thought, 'What the heck, what happened there?' And I thought, 'OK, obviously he's a bit excited.'" And then Loyau-Kennett did something that most people probably cannot imagine. She started talking to him. "I thought I had better start talking to him before he starts attacking somebody else," she told the Daily Telegraph. "I thought these people usually have a message, so I said, 'what do you want?'"

Indeed the men had a message. "The only reasons we killed this man ... is because Muslims are dying daily," he said in video aired by CNN affiliate ITN. "This British soldier is an eye for an eye, a tooth for tooth," the man said in the video. "We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you until you leave us alone." Loyau-Kennett kept trying to engage the man.

More Cub Scout leader, ex-teacher confronted London terrorist - CNN.com

 

[TruthSeeker56]

In the USA, the Islamo-terrorists have to use homemade bombs and hijacked jetliners to kill U.S. citizens, because they are cowards and they know that American citizens have guns.

In the UK, the Islamo-terrorists only have to use common kitchen knives to kill UK citizens, because they know that UK citizens don't have guns.

Where I live, if two terrorists started hacking up somebody in the street, the terrorists would be used as target practice by me and my neighbors, and the victim would still be alive.

 

[waltky]

Granny says don't pass the collection plate around fer any dem Mooslamic preachers...

Attack casts spotlight on radical preachers
24 May`13 — The slaying of a British soldier in southeast London cast a spotlight on radical preachers that influenced Michael Adebolajo, the attacker seen in videos with bloody hands holding a butcher knife. It also raised questions about the reach of the terrorist group al-Shabab, after a British government official said one of the two men tried to go to Somalia to train or fight with the group. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak about the police investigation.

Here's a look at the preachers and al-Shabab.

OMAR BAKRI MUHAMMED

Spiritual leader and founder of the group al-Muhajiroun. The group catapulted to notoriety after the Sept. 11 attacks by organizing an event to celebrate the airplane hijackers. Bakri, who now lives in Lebanon, had been one of the most aggressive voices of radical Islam in Britain. Members of the cell behind the July 7, 2005, London transit bombings also had links to the group.

The government banned al-Muhajiroun after the July 7 attacks in which four suicide bombers killed 52 commuters, but it has re-formed under new names — such as the Saved Sect or al-Gurabaa, which have also been banned. He is barred from returning to Britain. Bakri says the man depicted in the startling video that emerged after the death of British serviceman Lee Rigby was named Michael Adebolajo, a Christian who converted to Islam. Bakri recalled Adebolajo was a shy person eager to learn about Islam.

Muslim cleric Omar Bakri Mohammed gestures while talking to the media, in Beirut, Lebanon. The slaying of a British soldier in east London cast a spotlight on radical preachers that influenced Michael Adebolajo, the attacker seen in videos with bloody hands wielding a butcher knife. It also raised questions about the reach of the terrorist group al-Shabab, after a British government official said one of the two men tried to go to Somalia to train or fight with the group.

ANJEM CHOUDARY

The former head of the radical group al-Muhajiroun, an Islamist group notorious for glorifying al-Qaida and tied to terror plots at home and abroad. Choudary has in the past described the 9/11 hijackers on the United States as the "Magnificent 19." He also featured prominently in fiery protests against the publication of cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad. He is the manager of the Sharia Court in Britain. Sharia is Muslim law as derived from the Quran. Choudary says Adebolajo took part in several demonstrations by the group in London.

AL-SHABAB

Al-Qaida linked terrorist group in Somalia. Al-Shabab boasts several hundred foreign fighters, including those from the Middle East with experience in the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts. It has also recruited fighters from Somali communities in the United States and Europe. Al-Shabab once controlled almost all of Somalia's capital, Mogadishu, but African Union and Somali forces pushed the militants out of the city in 2011. British officials have not said which of the two suspects attempted to link up with the group.

Attack casts spotlight on radical preachers

 

[waltky]

More arrests made in terrorist murder of British soldier...

British PM Declines to Comment on Claims That London Attackers Were Known to MI5
24 May`13 – British police investigating the brutal murder of a young soldier on a London street raided several houses and made two further arrests Thursday, as government sources said the two attackers had previously come to the attention of the country’s intelligence services.

The Metropolitan Police said a man and a woman, both aged 29, were arrested by Counter Terrorism Command detectives on suspicion of conspiracy to murder. Police had searched five houses in London and one in Lincoln, 120 miles north-east of the capital. Searches were ongoing and police were carrying out “a large, complex and fast-moving investigation which continues to develop.” The two Britons of Nigerian descent, who were shot and wounded by police at the scene of their gruesome attack in Woolwich on Wednesday, are under arrest in hospital. They are aged 22 and 29. Government sources told British media the attackers had been flagged by the domestic security service, MI5, several years ago but were assessed not to pose a terror threat.

Prime Minister David Cameron declined to comment on the claims but said investigations would review the actions of police and intelligence agencies in the run-up to the attack. “The point that the two suspects in this horrific attack were known to the security services has been widely reported,” he told reporters outside 10 Downing Street. “You would not expect me to comment on this when a criminal investigation is ongoing but what I can say is this, as is the normal practice in these sorts of cases the Independent Police Complaints Commission will be able to review the actions of the police and the Intelligence and Security Committee [a parliamentary oversight body] will be able to do the same for the wider agencies.”

After the last Islamist terror attack in London, the deadly July 2005 train and bus bombings, MI5 was criticized for failing to prevent the attack after it was learned that it had dropped surveillance on two of the suicide bombers a year earlier because they were viewed as peripheral to a separate terror plot being investigated and it could not justify diverting resources. Procedures were reviewed and changes made, and MI5 has been credited with foiled a number of serious terror plots over the ensuing years.

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[waltky]

Muslim attacks widen in Europe...

Anti-Muslim actions rise in UK over slain soldier
May 25,`13 -- Police, politicians and activists in Britain are warning of rising anti-Muslim sentiment following the slaughter of an off-duty British soldier in a London street, an apparent act of Islamic extremism that has horrified the nation.

Metropolitan Police investigating the killing of Lee Rigby, a 25-year-old soldier who was run over by attackers then butchered by knives, arrested three more men in the murder investigation Saturday. Stun guns were used on two of the three men, aged 24 and 28, police said. The latest arrests came as an estimated 1,500 members of an extremist right-wing group called the English Defense League marched in the northern English city of Newcastle, chanting Rigby's name. In the southern English city of Portsmouth, police arrested two men for a racially motivated assault as hundreds of demonstrators gathered near one mosque, while several more people were detained for alleged racist offenses elsewhere.

The two men suspected of killing the soldier, Michael Adebolajo, 28, and Michael Adebowale, 22, remained under armed guard in separate London hospitals after police shot them at the scene. Police have not officially named the suspects because they have not been charged, but British officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the investigation, have confirmed their names to The Associated Press. Wednesday's murder in southeast London's Woolwich area shocked the nation partly because the horrific scenes were recorded on witnesses' cellphones, and a video picked up by British media showed one of the two suspects, his hands bloodied, making political statements and warning of further violence as the soldier lay on the ground behind him.

Counter-terrorism police also are questioning a friend of Adebolajo who was arrested Friday night immediately after he gave BBC Television an interview detailing why he thought Adebolajo may have become radicalized. Metropolitan Police said the friend, identified by the BBC as 31-year-old Abu Nusaybah, was wanted himself on suspicion of "the commission, preparation or instigation of acts of terrorism." The force declined to elaborate. In his BBC interview, Nusaybah said he knew Adebolajo as a moderate Islam convert. He said he thought Adebolajo's behavior changed after a trip to Kenya last year, and alleged that Britain's MI5 domestic spy agency tried to recruit him upon his return six months ago.

Rigby's killing - and Adebolajo's apparent link to Islamic extremism - has stirred anti-Muslim backlashes across Britain. Police said they arrested three people on suspicion of posting racist tweets ahead of the English Defense League march, and further detained 24 others before and during the protest on suspicion of public drunkenness, vandalism and distributing racist literature. One group of marchers carried a sign that read "Taliban Hunting Club."

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French soldier stabbed in throat outside Paris
May 25,`13 -- A French soldier was stabbed in the throat in a busy commercial district outside Paris on Saturday, and the government said it was trying to determine if there were any links to the brutal killing of a British soldier by suspected Islamic extremists.

French President Francois Hollande said the identity of the attacker, who escaped, was unknown and cautioned against jumping to conclusions about the assault on the uniformed soldier in the La Defense shopping area. The life of the 23-year-old soldier was not in danger, the Interior Ministry said in a statement. On Wednesday, British soldier Lee Rigby, 25, was viciously stabbed on a London street in broad daylight in a suspected terrorist attack that has raised fears of potential copycat strikes. The French soldier was on a group patrol as part of a national protection program when he was attacked from behind, prosecutor Robert Gelli told Europe 1 radio. The assailant did not say a word, Gelli said. "There are elements - the sudden violence of the attack - that could lead one to believe there might be a comparison with what happened in London," Interior Minister Manuel Valls told France 2 television. "But at this point, honestly, let us be prudent."

Rigby was attacked while walking outside the Royal Artillery Barracks in the Woolwich area of south London. The gruesome scene was recorded on witnesses' cellphones, and a video emerged in which one of the two suspects - his hands bloodied - boasted of their exploits and warned of more violence as the soldier lay on the ground. Holding bloody knives and a meat cleaver, the suspects waited for police, who shot them in the legs, witnesses said. In the video, one of the suspects declared, "We swear by almighty Allah we will never stop fighting you ... We must fight them as they fight us." Two Muslim hard-liners have identified that suspect as Michael Adebolajo, a Christian who converted to Islam and attended several London demonstrations organized by banned British radical group al-Muhajiroun.

French security forces have been on heightened alert since their country launched a military intervention in the African nation of Mali in January to regain territory seized by Islamic radicals. British Prime Minister David Cameron was himself in Paris meeting with Hollande when he first received word of the London attack. Last year, three French paratroopers were killed by a man police described as a French-born Islamic extremist who then went on to strike a Jewish school in the south of France, killing four more people.

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